Why is President Trump escalating his attacks against special counsel counsel Robert Mueller , Attorney General Jeff Sessions , the Department of Justice, the FBI and the free press to a fever pitch in recent days?
The reason is that the odds are very high that Mueller will offer a declarative public statement before the midterm elections, and very likely before Labor Day, that the president is guilty of obstruction of justice.
The Mueller declaration of obstruction of justice could be issued in the form of a letter to Congress and may or may not ultimately be issued in the form of an indictment if he believes that the Trump situation creates extraordinary circumstances that warrant his seeking approval for a formal indictment.
It is impossible to know exactly what Mueller will do. We do not know the evidence he has that has not yet been made public. We do not know his private thinking on great matters of state and law that will govern his actions.
In April, there were public reports that Mueller would ultimately release his findings in two stages, the first being obstruction of justice, which could be released in whatever form it takes this summer.
When public reports indicated that Mueller is looking at Trump tweets, among other factors, in the obstruction investigation, some of his handful of legal defenders suggested that Trump tweets are not relevant evidence of obstruction. They are wrong, though the tweets are far from the most important evidence.
“making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct.”
In other words, repeatedly making false statements intended to deceive the public about matters under investigation constitute acts in furtherance of obstruction of justice in violation of American law.
Now consider this. Literally in real time, Trump is virtually at war over facts with leading members of his Cabinet about whether Russia has attacked American elections in the 2016 campaign and continues to attack American elections in the 2018 midterms.
On Thursday, leading members of his administration joined together in an extraordinary public session warning the nation about the continuing Russian attack against our elections. His national security adviser, director of National Intelligence, FBI director and secretary of Homeland Security stood united before the nation, warning of the continuing Russian attack in clear and powerful terms.
Trump could have joined them in person to offer his support. He did not. Instead, only hours later, he publicly claimed, again, that the Russia investigation was a hoax and that his recent meeting with Russian strongman Vladimir Putin was a huge success.
If charges that Trump obstructed justice by making false statements are considered in court or congressional hearings, it would be powerful testimony for his Cabinet members to be called to testify about whether Trump’s statements that the Russia investigations are a hoax are true or false.
Similarly, Trump’s fevered and escalating attacks against the free press, which even his daughter Ivanka had the good sense to rebut, provide more powerful and compelling evidence of intent to mislead the public about matters under intense investigation.
While Trump is in dramatic conflict with Cabinet members who warn about the Russian attack, which he falsely claims is a hoax, he attacks the free press for reporting about the Russian attack, which he falsely claims is fake news.
Mueller could argue that Trump is seeking to execute the first televised obstruction of justice, in plain view before the nation every day.
With a high probability that the obstruction issue reaches a crescendo before the midterm elections, there is now a growing likelihood that an anti-Trump wave will doom Republicans to a disastrous defeat in November.
It is now probable that Democrats regain control of the House of Representatives with a real possibility that Democrats win a larger than expected majority. For Republicans, it is the worst possible time for the coming obstruction of justice bombshell to explode.
It is political suicide for Republicans when the president escalates his attacks against the free press to such extreme levels that even his daughter distances herself from these attacks. His attacks against Mueller have reached such extreme levels that he puts the fear of God into Republicans running in 2018.
Donald Trump absolutely tried to obstruct justice, openly and publicly, more than once. The only question is why we are allowing him to continue occupying the presidency.
Murray Waas : “Previously undisclosed evidence in the possession of Special Counsel Robert Mueller — including highly confidential White House records and testimony by some of President Trump’s own top aides — provides some of the strongest evidence to date implicating the president of the United States in an obstruction of justice.”
“Several people who have reviewed a portion of this evidence say that, based on what they know, they believe it is now all but inevitable that the special counsel will complete a confidential report presenting evidence that President Trump violated the law. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel’s work, would then decide on turning over that report to Congress for the House of Representatives to consider whether to instigate impeachment proceedings.”
“I have learned that a confidential White House memorandum, which is in the special counsel’s possession, explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey he had just been told by two of his top aides—his then chief of staff Reince Priebus and his White House counsel Don McGahn—that Flynn was under criminal investigation
Yes. Do you understand the House never voted on the article in question?
More broadly, do you know how impeachment works? You understand It's a political process, not a legal one. So the term obstruction of justice simply means whatever the House wants it to mean. Democrats, should they win the House, can impeach Trump and claim his orange hair obstructed justice by distracting the American people. They, can if they want, impeach Trump for "obstructing justice" for "lying", just like the Republicans could have impeached Obama for lying about matters under investigation.
My point is that no one who is not a loon Democrat will vote for impeachment if the sole "crime" is lying to the press.
Nixon would have been impeached and REMOVED from because he destroyed evidence, lied to investigators, and bribed witnesses to cover up an actual crime. That's actual obstruction of justice, not lying to the Press.
IF the best Mueller can do is claim Trump's "lies" count as obstruction, the chances are Zero. Zero that the Senate would remove him office even if the House impeaches him on a party line vote.
The real jury for removal is Republicans. Come up with an actual crime or stop wasting the nation's time with manufactured ones.
Nixon would have been impeached and REMOVED from because he destroyed evidence, lied to investigators, and bribed witnesses to cover up an actual crime. That's actual obstruction of justice, not lying to the Press.
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actually b leave Trumpp is innocent of destroying evidence ?
lying to investigators, and bribing witnesses to cover up an actual crime ?
Another Mueller leak and nothing to do with a "russian conspiracy"
So the "obstruction" is ASKING Mueller to go easy on Flynn. No actual interference in the investigation and prosecution, no order to stop prosecuting which he could have. Just asking his subordinate to "go easy."
Trumpp n chump cump a knee have a long distinguished record of losing and destroying evidence sought by multiple judges in multiple cases in multiple states of DENIAL
Try and swim across the casm the czar has pardoned and parted
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every time Trump tweets(OFFICIAL WHITEHOUSE STATEMENTS ) via his little tweeter, this bitter sweet n low saccharine of lies, digs asz his whole becomes deeper.
every time he contradicts our Inteligence Community, he digs a little deeper, every time he threatens Sessions, Comey, former attorneys, former campain heads, former family members, current family members- dismembered, former prosecutors, former respected (as in truly) respected on both sides of the aisle , REPUBLICAN SPECIAL COUNCIL HEAD, Robert Mueller, this ass in a deep as hole in one as one can be
he further proves obstruction of justice by attempting to hoaxify an EXTREMELY SERIOUS INVESTIGATION that HAS Determined it NO FUCKEN HOAX
The only Hoax
sits in OUR WHITEHOUSE
do you wish to dispute Trumpp the stupid Fuck , disputing what all of his administrative team heads declared last week on the briefing ?
Cool. It's an impeachable offense if a majority of the House says it is. It's not if it doesn't. Pretty much anything is an impeachable offense, potentially.
It’s only a removable offense if 2/3 of senators agree that it merits removing him from office. That’s the only fact that matters.
Republican senators aren’t going to vote to remove trump for lying to the press, however Mueller dresses it up.
Cool. It's an impeachable offense if a majority of the House says it is. It's not if it doesn't. Pretty much anything is an impeachable offense, potentially.
Very true. Note that obstruction of justice was one of the charges on which the GOP-controlled House impeached Clinton. Of course neither charge had any merit unlike the obstruction which Trump has repeatedly and flagrantly committed.
But I agree that if the GOP somehow retains control of the House it's very doubtful that they'd vote to impeach Trump since they don't seem to have any real concern for his treasonous or criminal acts.
ote that obstruction of justice was one of the charges on which the GOP-controlled House impeached Clinton
Sure, the Senate didn't think it warranted removal, which is the Senate's right. As I said, the Democrats can impeach on a party line vote to their hearts content, but it's not going to result in his removal by the Senate.
Trump's removal will require the support of at least half of the Republican party. There's no nothing that's been made public to date that suggests that's even a remote possibility. Without evidence of Trump engaging in an actual conspiracy with Russia, this impeachment obsession is all a time wasting farce. .
And their failure to do so will reveal just how far the GOP has fallen.
Clinton perjured himself under oath and the Democrats were okay with that. So they'd still be in better shape than the Democat party.
With the Clinton precedent so clearly on point, to claim a President should now be removed for lying to the Press is absurd. Hell, Trump could lie under oath to Mueller and the Democrats who were around 20 years ago, if they were honest, wouldn't vote to impeach, let alone remove, Trump for it.
Yeah, you made that moronic and obviously false claim the other day. Not even the Republicans in the Senate were sold on that BS, only the true right wing extremists bought that nonsense. In fact you lost twice as many GOP votes on the perjury charge as on the obstruction charge........you folks couldn't even get a simple majority of the Senate to agree with you.
h, you made that moronic and obviously false claim the other day. Not even the Republicans in the Senate were sold on the BS.
By all means, keep bringing this up, it's like you are trying to expose yourself as a hack. First, somehow you still don't understand that impeachment is a political action, not a legal one. They are different things, Clinton, of course, admitted guilt and reached an agreement with the prosecutor to pay $25,000 to avoid being charged criminally with perjury. Republicans, of course, overwhelmingly voted to remove him from office for perjuring himself as well.
You argue that Clinton didn't commit perjury (even though he paid a fine and to avoid being prosecuted for it) and then in the same day turn around and claim Bush started an illegal war, even though he was never even indicted for it. Keep it up. It's your credibility and lack of principle being exposed.
I have discussed with Perrie the fact that numerous of the right wingers on Newstalkers have nothing or next to nothing to offer this forum. They seed nothing, they write no articles, they offer no quotes, documents or article sources to support their opinions, and they spend all their time pestering other members.
Just be happy that so far she has decided not to respond to those concerns.
I am not going to waste my time responding to every idiotic question someone asks. I seed and write articles related to these things on an ongoing basis. I have personally posted probably 25 items related to obstruction, including one just now on this seed.
I am not going to respond to every whine from people who add nothing to this forum. Sorry.
He IS a republican, so there is a measure of truth there, but that being said? 109 criminal charges filed....SO FAR. I bet Manafort, flynn, gates and popadopalous don't think Mueller is a joke.
Obstruction of justice bombshell will explode before midterms
I guess saying the sun will rise in the morning is only slightly more obvious. Of course there's going to be a bombshell. First, because everything seems to be a bombshell these days, but more importantly, someone somewhere in the Democratic party is working on some "bombshell" they figure will help them in the election. It won't matter whether or not it's true. What will matter more is the timing of the dropping of this bombshell. The dropping of this bombshell will be late in the game and intended to cause an effect similar to what the Dems felt Comey did to Clinton.
Interesting that yesterday Trump unwittingly tweeted an admission to conspiring with Russia (or attempting to do so). It's also a reversal from his previous lies about the meeting in Trump Tower:
President Donald Trump blasted out a tweet Sunday morning — amongst many — declaring that reports saying he’s worried his son Don Jr. could be in legal trouble are a “complete fabrication.” But he also described the infamous meeting at Trump Tower as a “meeting to get information on an opponent.”
Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics – and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!
That’s interesting, because Don Jr.’s initial statement about meeting said its focus was “a program about the adoption of Russian children,” and not an attempt to seek out dirt from the Russians on Hillary Clinton
As Special Counsel Robert Mueller investigates potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, the Trump Tower meeting has come under scrutiny.
NBC News’ Chuck Todd pointed out that in the tweet, “the president admits his campaign did willingly reach out to Russians for dirt on Clinton.”
“Attempted collusion?” he asked.
Um…In this tweet, the president admits his campaign did willingly reach out to Russians for dirt on Clinton. Attempted collusion? — Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) August 5, 2018
Others drew the same conclusion, noting that Trump appears to have just given up on denying accusations of collusion.
POTUS deep-sixes the “adoption” lie. Collusion is fine and everyone does it. — Nick Confessore (@nickconfessore) August 5, 2018
So not adoptions then? — Alex Ward (@AlexWardVox) August 5, 2018
Oh wow. Here’s a U.S. president, for the first time in American history, admitting that his campaign accepted offers of help from Russia: — Casey Michel 🇰🇿 (@cjcmichel) August 5, 2018
Ooooopsie.
We are going to be hearing about this tweet a whole lot for a long time. As well as whatever insane nonsense Rudy comes up with to explain it.
oops you just admitted it was collusion! — Topher Spiro (@TopherSpiro) August 5, 2018
You mean, a meeting about adoptions, the subject of which was “not a campaign issue”? — Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) August 5, 2018
No need for a Trump tweet to confirm that! We had the email trail since last summer. I’ve been writing about this over and over: attempted collusion is proven. Attempted murder & murder are separated by outcome, not intent. Same with attempted collusion. — Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) August 5, 2018
Recall that original explanation for this meeting, in statement from Don Jr that POTUS helped write was that this was “a short introductory meeting…primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children…” 1/ — Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) August 5, 2018
4/ POTUS this morning said: “This was a meeting to get information on an opponent…”
So please feel free to be the judge as to who has been sharing fabrications.
Also a great article about Trump's effort to obstruct justice in the Mike Flynn case:
If, therefore, Trump understood the legal jeopardy that Flynn faced, that would demonstrate such intent—and make for a much stronger case for obstruction against the president. Conversely, if Trump believed that Flynn was no longer under criminal investigation, or had been cleared, the president could not have had corrupt intent. But previously undisclosed evidence indicates just the opposite—that President Trump was fully informed that Flynn was the target of prosecutors.
I have learned that a confidential White House memorandum, which is in the special counsel’s possession, explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey he had just been told by two of his top aides—his then chief of staff Reince Priebus and his White House counsel Don McGahn—that Flynn was under criminal investigation. This memo, the existence of which I first disclosed in December in Foreign Policy , was, as one source described it to me, “a timeline of events [in the White House] leading up to Flynn’s resignation.” It was dated February 15, 2017, and was prepared by McGahn two days after Flynn’s forced resignation and one day after Trump’s meeting with Comey. As I reported, research for the memo was “primarily conducted by John Eisenberg, the deputy counsel to the president and legal adviser to the National Security Council,” who, in turn, was “assisted by James Burnham, another White House counsel staff member.”
During my reporting, I was allowed to read the memo in its entirety , as well as other, underlying White House records quoted in the memo, such as notes and memos written by McGahn and other senior administration officials. My reporting for this story is also based on interviews with a dozen former and current White House officials, attorneys who have interacted with Mueller’s team of investigators, and witnesses questioned by Mueller’s investigators.
Trump's tweet yesterday was an admission to conspiracy with the Russians, and he previously admitted to conspiracy after the fact for the bogus story he dictated about the meeting.
And now it seems that he's directly on the hook for obstruction regarding the Mike Flynn case. Looks like both Trump and Junior are royally screwed. I wonder if he'll swallow the indictment better if it's gold-plated?
Junior better get used to the fact that daddy in law will indeed throw him under a bus to cover his own ass. Hell, he would dig up his father and throw him under a bus if he though it would advantage him.
The interesting thing about this opinion is it shows what a slender reed the Democrats are now hanging their hopes on. Picking the most controversial count of impeachment against Nixon, which was never even voted upon by the House, as the precedent to base an impeachment on is simply desperate. Recall the Republicans realized how pointless bringing a charge based on lying about a "matter under investigation" would be and did not bring impeachment charges on those grounds despite the lies of Bill "finger wagging" Clinton and his minions.
The whole Trump strategy vis a vis Mueller is based off the Clinton Starr playbook and now Democrats want to impeach Trump for following their example. Too funny.
Interesting that the GOP's loony effort to impeach Rosenstein for doing his job well might turn out out to have adverse consequences for Trump when he's impeached.
People just want Donald Trump gone. He is the greatest embarrassment to this country in any of our lifetimes.
If he is gone by impeachment , or by resignation, or god forbid we have to wait to vote him out in 2020, we all just want him gone.
I am wondering though, where Trump's good news will come from from now until the midterms. Polling is showing Democrats winning the House back and possibly the Senate. Where will the good news for him come from in the next few months? His rallies? Everyone but his deplorables looks at these rallies and believe the man is nuts. I hope he has a rally every week, with the crazy conspiracy wackos in his audience in force. If he starts an unnecessary war, do you think that will make undecided voters go GOP? I don't. Is the news on the "Russian" front going to get better for Trump? Not a chance. As the summer ends and the election approaches, the facts from Mueller are going to make Trump look more guilty, not less.
I agree that 1/3 want to remove him by any means necessary. But unless Mueller finds evidence of an actual crime that will get approximately half the Republican party to agree he should be the first President impeached and removed from office, this isn't going anywhere. Lying to the Press or asking Comey to go easy on Flynn without actually interfering in the investigation and prosecution of Flynn just isn't going to do that.
. If he starts an unnecessary war, do you think that will make undecided voters go GOP? I don't. Is the news on the "Russian" front going to get better for Trump? Not a chance. As the summer ends and the election approaches, the facts from Mueller are going to make Trump look more guilty, not less.
The Republicans are almost certain to lose the House and Mueller will paint Trump's actions and statements in the worst possible light. But there's still no "there, there" and If someone like me who didn't vote for Trump and would rather have Pence as President doesn't think there's any justification for impeachment, the core Trump supporters certainly won't either.
But unless Mueller finds evidence of an actual crime that will get approximately half the Republican party to agree he should be the first President impeached and removed from office, this isn't going anywhere.
Your side loses the House in November and likely loses the Senate. So impeachment is a done deal and conviction in the Senate will likely need 17 GOP votes at the very most.
Moreover the voters will remember the politicians who voted against removing this sociopath. They'll also remember that the GOP as a whole was responsible for his election but refused to constrain him.
So impeachment is a done deal and conviction in the Senate will likely need 17 GOP votes at the very most.
By all means, engage in a party line impeachment of a President with a 43% approval rating and a clear majority opposing impeachment. That won't even get unanimous support form the Democrat caucus, let alone any Republican votes.
Until support for impeachment reaches over 60%, Trump isn't in any danger of being removed.
Impeachment of Trump will depend on other damaging information coming from Mueller, something "more serious" , or coming in the form of some sort of breakdown by Trump where he flies into public rage. I don't think either possibility is far fetched at all.
He is the biggest liar and most unethical president the nation has ever seen. Frankly , the odds are higher that he can continue this way for four years than that something will happen to cut him short.
LOL. Not only is there proof of Trump's obstruction in the Flynn case, but his actions after the Trump Tower meeting with Russians constitute conspiracy after the fact if not obstruction too. Both Trump and Junior are screwed.
You and mueller BFFs? Does he high five you as he tells you about the inner workings?
Hey. I GET wanting there to be something there. I get hoping he gets kicked out. People have sides.
Acting like you are on the inside of the investigation, know what's there, and have your law degree is asinine though. Don't be that guy. The internet jail house lawyer. It's sad
Read it. It's speculation, hopes, and dreams. From the beginning of this there have been "sources" saying all sorts of things that never came to be. Remember bannon was going to jail? Bannon was flipping on trump? Kelly was flipping?
This is where the left is now. Where saying we aren't privy to all the info and don't know for a fact what is going on or what will happen is offensive l. As I said. This could end up being the lefts Benghazi if nothing comes of it.
Remember bannon was going to jail? Bannon was flipping on trump? Kelly was flipping?
No. No. And. No.
As for Bannon, I do know that Scumbag and Bannon have had a war of words since Bannon got booted. Let's go to the "paper of record," harharhar--but it is one of them for your sort, right?):
It's speculation. Just as "bannon is flipped! Bannon is going to jail" those "investigative journalists" did as well. Speculating is not facts. Again. None of us know for certain what is known or not. Not sure why that is so controversial.
Tgis is why it's scary to me. Because the media has gotten many on the left so certain something big is going to happen that IF it doesn't. They will lose their mind. I'm already predicting that IF mueller finds nothing he will be accused of not pressing charges to avoid a crisis or etc.
Because the media has gotten many on the left so certain something big is going to happen that IF it doesn't. They will lose their mind. I'm already predicting that IF mueller finds nothing he will be accused of not pressing charges to avoid a crisis or etc.
Yup, You will see how quick the left & the media turn on Mueller. He won't be called a man of integrity anymore! They will picket his home, make death threats and if they win the House call for impeachment anyway!
To that point, the object of one of the obstruction of justice cases against Trump, Mike Flynn, himself pleaded guilty of lying to the FBI in an effort to obstruct justice in the investigation of collusion with Russia. That guilty plea was part of a plea bargain to avoid more serious charges and so Flynn is now a cooperating witness......
He has already bagged 109 fish. No a bad hole I would say.
Pretty funny that trumps lawyers insist that trump not be asked ANYTHING about obstruction of justice. Gee...I wonder why? Couldn't be that he is guilty of it? Nawww....of course not.. LOL
You are aware that trump cannot refuse a subpoena, right? He may think he is above the law....he isn't...no one in this country is.
mueller now knows trump is not giving him an interview or the time of day.
Yea, just an FYI? Muller is the boss, not trump with regards to this investigation... If Muller wants trump in front of him for an interview? It WILL happen. Count on it.
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So Trump will be charged with obstruction for having a difference of opinion? Yeah, good luck with that.
Donald Trump absolutely tried to obstruct justice, openly and publicly, more than once. The only question is why we are allowing him to continue occupying the presidency.
because he has not been impeached.
Elementary!
If mueller can’t show an actual conspiracy between trump and Russia, obstruction is a joke based on what’s public.
Trump shows EVERYDAMNDAY that he IS GUILTY OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!
did u read the article ?
Do you know what brought Nixon down?
Does Trump not trump Nixon by hundreds of times worse the wear for a country to stooopid to kare
Is that crickets I hear?
Mueller Has Evidence Trump Obstructed Justice
July 31, 2018 at 1:17 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
Murray Waas : “Previously undisclosed evidence in the possession of Special Counsel Robert Mueller — including highly confidential White House records and testimony by some of President Trump’s own top aides — provides some of the strongest evidence to date implicating the president of the United States in an obstruction of justice.”
“Several people who have reviewed a portion of this evidence say that, based on what they know, they believe it is now all but inevitable that the special counsel will complete a confidential report presenting evidence that President Trump violated the law. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel’s work, would then decide on turning over that report to Congress for the House of Representatives to consider whether to instigate impeachment proceedings.”
“I have learned that a confidential White House memorandum, which is in the special counsel’s possession, explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey he had just been told by two of his top aides—his then chief of staff Reince Priebus and his White House counsel Don McGahn—that Flynn was under criminal investigation
did u read the article
Yes. Do you understand the House never voted on the article in question?
More broadly, do you know how impeachment works? You understand It's a political process, not a legal one. So the term obstruction of justice simply means whatever the House wants it to mean. Democrats, should they win the House, can impeach Trump and claim his orange hair obstructed justice by distracting the American people. They, can if they want, impeach Trump for "obstructing justice" for "lying", just like the Republicans could have impeached Obama for lying about matters under investigation.
My point is that no one who is not a loon Democrat will vote for impeachment if the sole "crime" is lying to the press.
Nixon would have been impeached and REMOVED from because he destroyed evidence, lied to investigators, and bribed witnesses to cover up an actual crime. That's actual obstruction of justice, not lying to the Press.
IF the best Mueller can do is claim Trump's "lies" count as obstruction, the chances are Zero. Zero that the Senate would remove him office even if the House impeaches him on a party line vote.
The real jury for removal is Republicans. Come up with an actual crime or stop wasting the nation's time with manufactured ones.
Nixon would have been impeached and REMOVED from because he destroyed evidence, lied to investigators, and bribed witnesses to cover up an actual crime. That's actual obstruction of justice, not lying to the Press.
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actually b leave Trumpp is innocent of destroying evidence ?
lying to investigators, and bribing witnesses to cover up an actual crime ?
youre too funny this mourning
Another Mueller leak and nothing to do with a "russian conspiracy"
So the "obstruction" is ASKING Mueller to go easy on Flynn. No actual interference in the investigation and prosecution, no order to stop prosecuting which he could have. Just asking his subordinate to "go easy."
Good luck with that.
Since there's zero evidence he's done so, yes. If you thinking your wishes and daydreams count as evidence, get ready for disappointment.
If you want to know what actual evidence of obstructing justice would like, consider someone destroying 33,000 emails after Congress subpoenaed them.
Trumpp n chump cump a knee have a long distinguished record of losing and destroying evidence sought by multiple judges in multiple cases in multiple states of DENIAL
Try and swim across the casm the czar has pardoned and parted
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every time Trump tweets(OFFICIAL WHITEHOUSE STATEMENTS ) via his little tweeter, this bitter sweet n low saccharine of lies, digs asz his whole becomes deeper.
every time he contradicts our Inteligence Community, he digs a little deeper, every time he threatens Sessions, Comey, former attorneys, former campain heads, former family members, current family members- dismembered, former prosecutors, former respected (as in truly) respected on both sides of the aisle , REPUBLICAN SPECIAL COUNCIL HEAD, Robert Mueller, this ass in a deep as hole in one as one can be
he further proves obstruction of justice by attempting to hoaxify an EXTREMELY SERIOUS INVESTIGATION that HAS Determined it NO FUCKEN HOAX
The only Hoax
sits in OUR WHITEHOUSE
do you wish to dispute Trumpp the stupid Fuck , disputing what all of his administrative team heads declared last week on the briefing ?
So in other words, you can't provide any SPECIFICS, just your concepts and theories
What the Hell is UNSPECIFIC about him DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING the statements of the intelligence heads of our Damn Country ???
So Trimp directly contradicting the inteligence heads is now MY Concept ?
is now MY Theory ?
ive got chores to accomplish , we’ll finish our discussion later
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can possibly conceptuionalize a theory behind how many INDICTED NOW ?
anything other than your own hypothesis.
My hypothesis states Either Trump is LYING to the American People, or our Intelligence Agencies are(all while in concert)
whats yours ?
Everyone is telling the truth
Y LIE ?
Putin probably has all of them...since she left her stupid system unsecured
Obstruction of justice is a felony and absolutely an impeachable offense. FACT.
Cool. It's an impeachable offense if a majority of the House says it is. It's not if it doesn't. Pretty much anything is an impeachable offense, potentially.
It’s only a removable offense if 2/3 of senators agree that it merits removing him from office. That’s the only fact that matters.
Republican senators aren’t going to vote to remove trump for lying to the press, however Mueller dresses it up.
Very true. Note that obstruction of justice was one of the charges on which the GOP-controlled House impeached Clinton. Of course neither charge had any merit unlike the obstruction which Trump has repeatedly and flagrantly committed.
But I agree that if the GOP somehow retains control of the House it's very doubtful that they'd vote to impeach Trump since they don't seem to have any real concern for his treasonous or criminal acts.
Sure, the Senate didn't think it warranted removal, which is the Senate's right. As I said, the Democrats can impeach on a party line vote to their hearts content, but it's not going to result in his removal by the Senate.
Trump's removal will require the support of at least half of the Republican party. There's no nothing that's been made public to date that suggests that's even a remote possibility. Without evidence of Trump engaging in an actual conspiracy with Russia, this impeachment obsession is all a time wasting farce. .
Absolutely not a shred of evidence. If you have any, reveal what it is, instead of embarrassing yourself.
Just keep telling yourself that and then find a safe space with supportive friends when Mueller's report comes out.
These are the same "educated" that think that, any day now, Chris Christie will be indicted for Bridgegate.
Sad bunch, they are.
And their failure to do so will reveal just how far the GOP has fallen.
See # 3.1.3 or see Trump's tweet from yesterday where he admits that the Trump Tower meeting was an attempt to conspire with Russia.
Looks like both Trump and Junior are in a real pickle. I can see why his tweets are increasingly frantic and irrational.
And their failure to do so will reveal just how far the GOP has fallen.
Clinton perjured himself under oath and the Democrats were okay with that. So they'd still be in better shape than the Democat party.
With the Clinton precedent so clearly on point, to claim a President should now be removed for lying to the Press is absurd. Hell, Trump could lie under oath to Mueller and the Democrats who were around 20 years ago, if they were honest, wouldn't vote to impeach, let alone remove, Trump for it.
Yeah, you made that moronic and obviously false claim the other day. Not even the Republicans in the Senate were sold on that BS, only the true right wing extremists bought that nonsense. In fact you lost twice as many GOP votes on the perjury charge as on the obstruction charge........you folks couldn't even get a simple majority of the Senate to agree with you.
By all means, keep bringing this up, it's like you are trying to expose yourself as a hack. First, somehow you still don't understand that impeachment is a political action, not a legal one. They are different things, Clinton, of course, admitted guilt and reached an agreement with the prosecutor to pay $25,000 to avoid being charged criminally with perjury. Republicans, of course, overwhelmingly voted to remove him from office for perjuring himself as well.
You argue that Clinton didn't commit perjury (even though he paid a fine and to avoid being prosecuted for it) and then in the same day turn around and claim Bush started an illegal war, even though he was never even indicted for it. Keep it up. It's your credibility and lack of principle being exposed.
The burden of proof is higher in a real court than in the Senate yet you couldn't even muster a simple majority there. LOL.
ok then... LOL
dream a little dream, for me
Mueller is going to report that Trump obstructed justice. Deal with it.
If half the shit you dream of came true, Trump would already be dead and buried by now.
I have discussed with Perrie the fact that numerous of the right wingers on Newstalkers have nothing or next to nothing to offer this forum. They seed nothing, they write no articles, they offer no quotes, documents or article sources to support their opinions, and they spend all their time pestering other members.
Just be happy that so far she has decided not to respond to those concerns.
Awww...does that chap your ass a little?
Pretty fucking comical when you criticize what anyone else ever posts!
mueller is a joke... deal with it.
As I like to say .... "if the shoe fits"
I am not going to waste my time responding to every idiotic question someone asks. I seed and write articles related to these things on an ongoing basis. I have personally posted probably 25 items related to obstruction, including one just now on this seed.
I am not going to respond to every whine from people who add nothing to this forum. Sorry.
I post more factual information in one day than you have done since the entire time you have been here. A lot more actually.
He IS a republican, so there is a measure of truth there, but that being said? 109 criminal charges filed....SO FAR. I bet Manafort, flynn, gates and popadopalous don't think Mueller is a joke.
Then there is this...
republican in name only. swamp rats get no respect.
Let's see your CV and see how it stacks next to Mueller's.
I have to agree with Wally, you keep saying variations of the same things over and over and over and over and.....
Do you people ever read your own contributions to the conversation here? Or do you just cut and paste them directly from the rightwing craposphrere?
You need to ask Mueller. Wait....he's going to tell you, anyway, asked or not.
There is probably a reason for that.
YET......... But I will allow you to explain how you know this for a fact...
Please, continue.
Trump obstructed justice on Russiagate so many times Mueller cannot decided which ones to indict him for...
Returning home on Sunday afternoon it never ceases to amaze what mischief the righteous have been up to.
I guess saying the sun will rise in the morning is only slightly more obvious. Of course there's going to be a bombshell. First, because everything seems to be a bombshell these days, but more importantly, someone somewhere in the Democratic party is working on some "bombshell" they figure will help them in the election. It won't matter whether or not it's true. What will matter more is the timing of the dropping of this bombshell. The dropping of this bombshell will be late in the game and intended to cause an effect similar to what the Dems felt Comey did to Clinton.
That's an excellent point.
Interesting that yesterday Trump unwittingly tweeted an admission to conspiring with Russia (or attempting to do so). It's also a reversal from his previous lies about the meeting in Trump Tower:
More coverage here about Trump's numerous lies and changing story about his conspiracy with Russia:
Also a great article about Trump's effort to obstruct justice in the Mike Flynn case:
None of above matters, because he did not commit a provable crime.
I see you're already hedging your bet. Wise move.
Trump's tweet yesterday was an admission to conspiracy with the Russians, and he previously admitted to conspiracy after the fact for the bogus story he dictated about the meeting.
And now it seems that he's directly on the hook for obstruction regarding the Mike Flynn case. Looks like both Trump and Junior are royally screwed. I wonder if he'll swallow the indictment better if it's gold-plated?
Junior better get used to the fact that daddy in law will indeed throw him under a bus to cover his own ass. Hell, he would dig up his father and throw him under a bus if he though it would advantage him.
Make that daddy and not daddy in law. Jarod and the Trump boys are so much alike that I sometimes get them confused.
You know this how, exactly?
*crickets*
The interesting thing about this opinion is it shows what a slender reed the Democrats are now hanging their hopes on. Picking the most controversial count of impeachment against Nixon, which was never even voted upon by the House, as the precedent to base an impeachment on is simply desperate. Recall the Republicans realized how pointless bringing a charge based on lying about a "matter under investigation" would be and did not bring impeachment charges on those grounds despite the lies of Bill "finger wagging" Clinton and his minions.
The whole Trump strategy vis a vis Mueller is based off the Clinton Starr playbook and now Democrats want to impeach Trump for following their example. Too funny.
Interesting that the GOP's loony effort to impeach Rosenstein for doing his job well might turn out out to have adverse consequences for Trump when he's impeached.
People just want Donald Trump gone. He is the greatest embarrassment to this country in any of our lifetimes.
If he is gone by impeachment , or by resignation, or god forbid we have to wait to vote him out in 2020, we all just want him gone.
I am wondering though, where Trump's good news will come from from now until the midterms. Polling is showing Democrats winning the House back and possibly the Senate. Where will the good news for him come from in the next few months? His rallies? Everyone but his deplorables looks at these rallies and believe the man is nuts. I hope he has a rally every week, with the crazy conspiracy wackos in his audience in force. If he starts an unnecessary war, do you think that will make undecided voters go GOP? I don't. Is the news on the "Russian" front going to get better for Trump? Not a chance. As the summer ends and the election approaches, the facts from Mueller are going to make Trump look more guilty, not less.
I agree that 1/3 want to remove him by any means necessary. But unless Mueller finds evidence of an actual crime that will get approximately half the Republican party to agree he should be the first President impeached and removed from office, this isn't going anywhere. Lying to the Press or asking Comey to go easy on Flynn without actually interfering in the investigation and prosecution of Flynn just isn't going to do that.
. If he starts an unnecessary war, do you think that will make undecided voters go GOP? I don't. Is the news on the "Russian" front going to get better for Trump? Not a chance. As the summer ends and the election approaches, the facts from Mueller are going to make Trump look more guilty, not less.
The Republicans are almost certain to lose the House and Mueller will paint Trump's actions and statements in the worst possible light. But there's still no "there, there" and If someone like me who didn't vote for Trump and would rather have Pence as President doesn't think there's any justification for impeachment, the core Trump supporters certainly won't either.
Your side loses the House in November and likely loses the Senate. So impeachment is a done deal and conviction in the Senate will likely need 17 GOP votes at the very most.
Moreover the voters will remember the politicians who voted against removing this sociopath. They'll also remember that the GOP as a whole was responsible for his election but refused to constrain him.
By all means, engage in a party line impeachment of a President with a 43% approval rating and a clear majority opposing impeachment. That won't even get unanimous support form the Democrat caucus, let alone any Republican votes.
Until support for impeachment reaches over 60%, Trump isn't in any danger of being removed.
Impeachment of Trump will depend on other damaging information coming from Mueller, something "more serious" , or coming in the form of some sort of breakdown by Trump where he flies into public rage. I don't think either possibility is far fetched at all.
He is the biggest liar and most unethical president the nation has ever seen. Frankly , the odds are higher that he can continue this way for four years than that something will happen to cut him short.
Obstruction is a stretch at this point. Unless mueller has something we don't know about. Possibility but us common folk don't know anything right now
LOL. Not only is there proof of Trump's obstruction in the Flynn case, but his actions after the Trump Tower meeting with Russians constitute conspiracy after the fact if not obstruction too. Both Trump and Junior are screwed.
You and mueller BFFs? Does he high five you as he tells you about the inner workings?
Hey. I GET wanting there to be something there. I get hoping he gets kicked out. People have sides.
Acting like you are on the inside of the investigation, know what's there, and have your law degree is asinine though. Don't be that guy. The internet jail house lawyer. It's sad
Maybe you should read the article before you make another uniformed comment?
Maybe you should. Nothing new. Still no interference in the investigation or prosecution of Flynn.
Read it. It's speculation, hopes, and dreams. From the beginning of this there have been "sources" saying all sorts of things that never came to be. Remember bannon was going to jail? Bannon was flipping on trump? Kelly was flipping?
This is where the left is now. Where saying we aren't privy to all the info and don't know for a fact what is going on or what will happen is offensive l. As I said. This could end up being the lefts Benghazi if nothing comes of it.
No. No. And. No.
As for Bannon, I do know that Scumbag and Bannon have had a war of words since Bannon got booted. Let's go to the "paper of record," harharhar--but it is one of them for your sort, right?):
It's investigative reporting from a very credible journalist. You can choose to stick your head in the sand and ignore it.
It's speculation. Just as "bannon is flipped! Bannon is going to jail" those "investigative journalists" did as well. Speculating is not facts. Again. None of us know for certain what is known or not. Not sure why that is so controversial.
Tgis is why it's scary to me. Because the media has gotten many on the left so certain something big is going to happen that IF it doesn't. They will lose their mind. I'm already predicting that IF mueller finds nothing he will be accused of not pressing charges to avoid a crisis or etc.
Sounds more like it's reporting.
Yup, You will see how quick the left & the media turn on Mueller. He won't be called a man of integrity anymore! They will picket his home, make death threats and if they win the House call for impeachment anyway!
If this investigation fails, dems can always start another one. I mean, benghazi was investigated 9 times in 4 years...
We will trade you any time. You can do all the congressional investigations and we will do the DOJ & special counsel investigations.
To that point, the object of one of the obstruction of justice cases against Trump, Mike Flynn, himself pleaded guilty of lying to the FBI in an effort to obstruct justice in the investigation of collusion with Russia. That guilty plea was part of a plea bargain to avoid more serious charges and so Flynn is now a cooperating witness......
Bingo, exactly.
yepp. mueller now knows trump is not giving him an interview or the time of day.
mueller is fishing a dry hole.
He has already bagged 109 fish. No a bad hole I would say.
Pretty funny that trumps lawyers insist that trump not be asked ANYTHING about obstruction of justice. Gee...I wonder why? Couldn't be that he is guilty of it? Nawww....of course not.. LOL
You are aware that trump cannot refuse a subpoena, right? He may think he is above the law....he isn't...no one in this country is.
Yea, just an FYI? Muller is the boss, not trump with regards to this investigation... If Muller wants trump in front of him for an interview? It WILL happen. Count on it.
not a chance.. but you hang on to that... it is all you have.
He cannot refuse a subpoena.
if mueller could force trump to talk he would not be "asking".
I know that is hard to grasp but think on it awhile.