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I Can’t Believe It’s 2019 and We’re Still Arguing About the Birth Control Benefit

  

Category:  Religion & Ethics

Via:  don-overton  •  5 years ago  •  67 comments

I Can’t Believe It’s 2019 and We’re Still Arguing About the Birth Control Benefit
Regulations that would undercut the birth control benefit are set to go into effect January 14—but not if a handful of states have anything to say about it in federal court this week.

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The Trump administration is attempting to torpedo the birth control benefit under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) by issuing regulations that render it utterly toothless. These regulations, which could effectively allow employers to deny contraceptive coverage without co-pay to anyone they please, are set to go into effect January 14—but not if a handful of states led by California and Pennsylvania have anything to say about it in federal court this week.

Attorneys for California and Pennsylvania–and the states that are suing in concert with them—argue that the Trump administration’s proposed regulations, known in legal circles as interim final rules or IFRs, have violated the requirements contained in the Administrative Procedure Act (APA). They also say the IFRs harm the states and their residents.


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Gordy327
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1  Gordy327    5 years ago

It boggles the mind how, here in 2019, some people have such hang ups about birth control, either its availability and/or use.  

 
 
 
epistte
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1.2  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @1    5 years ago
It boggles the mind how, here in 2019, some people have such hang ups about birth control, either its availability and/or use.  

It's not just about birth control. This fight is about women making our own decisions without the input of religion and men.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @1.2    5 years ago
This fight is about women making our own decisions without the input of religion and men.

I think you nailed it.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  epistte @1.2    5 years ago
It's not just about birth control.

Except....it is.

This fight is about women making our own decisions without the input of religion and men.

Utter nonsense.  Nobody is keeping anybody from taking birth control.

 
 
 
epistte
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1.2.3  epistte  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.2    5 years ago
Except....it is.

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Utter nonsense.  Nobody is keeping anybody from taking birth control.

Did you happen to notice that your replies are contradictory?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  epistte @1.2.3    5 years ago
Did you happen to notice that your replies are contradictory?

More nonsense.

The issue is about insurance coverage for birth control, not keeping women from taking it.   You do understand the difference, yes?

 
 
 
Don Overton
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1.2.6  seeder  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.5    5 years ago

Seems most republicans/conservatives spend little time with the real world, especially about women and the problems they have because of the right's hate of women

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2  bbl-1    5 years ago

Perhaps this too.  "The Fetus" is not only a political football---it is also a weapon.

The so called "Life People" generally aren't.  As far as the fetus, it has far more power than it deserves.

It is amazing that the fetus is successfully utilized to deny freedoms, personal potential, and a personal life choice.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1  Gordy327  replied to  bbl-1 @2    5 years ago
As far as the fetus, it has far more power than it deserves.

While the woman carrying it loses her power.

It is amazing that the fetus is successfully utilized to deny freedoms, personal potential, and a personal life choice.

Not really, considering the mindset of some people.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1    5 years ago

Did not imply that woman carrying a fetus loses power.  There is thing called Choice.

"successfully utilized...……………………"  It is the 'mindset of some people' that are successfully utilizing.  Meaning they are utilizing for others. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.1    5 years ago
Did not imply that woman carrying a fetus loses power. 

I wasn't trying to say you were implying anything. Perhaps I wasn't clear, my bad. There are those who want and try to deprive a woman her power and choice when she becomes pregnant. To them, everything becomes 'fetus oriented.'

There is thing called Choice.

As I said, there are those who want to deprive (or severely limit) a woman her choice.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.2    5 years ago

"or severely limit...…………." 

Yes.  And the real question is...……….why?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.3    5 years ago
And the real question is...……….why?

Who knows. Control over others perhaps? Some antiquated notion of morality maybe?  Power trip?

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2  epistte  replied to  bbl-1 @2    5 years ago
Perhaps this too.  "The Fetus" is not only a political football---it is also a weapon. The so called "Life People" generally aren't.  As far as the fetus, it has far more power than it deserves.

Apparently a fetus is a person worthy of protection and human rights but an immigrant child isn't.

Religion is illogical.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  epistte @2.2    5 years ago

Religion illogical?  Therein lies its power and success.

"The fetus and the immigrant?"  That is a conundrum.  Jesus loves you right?  Until he doesn't of course.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.2  epistte  replied to  bbl-1 @2.2.1    5 years ago
"The fetus and the immigrant?"  That is a conundrum.  Jesus loves you right?  Until he doesn't of course.

I love the stories in the bible of how Jesus went out in the desert by himself to pray. If Jesus was by himself then who was the person who wrote the story? Jesus was god incarnate so who was he praying to and why was he doing it?

When one person has friends who can't be seen and who talk to him, he is schizophrenic. When 3000 people do it its the start of a new religion.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.2.3  bbl-1  replied to  epistte @2.2.2    5 years ago

The Falwells, Grahams and the rest of the ……..what evers…………..well, its the money ya know.

As far as Jesus?  They nailed his inconvenient arse up so they could profit on their own terms.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.4  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @2.2.2    5 years ago
I love the stories in the bible of how Jesus went out in the desert by himself to pray. If Jesus was by himself then who was the person who wrote the story? Jesus was god incarnate so who was he praying to and why was he doing it?

Is that one of those contradictory biblical stories that some theists gloss over or pretzel-logic around to try and makes sense of it? jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

When one person has friends who can't be seen and who talk to him, he is schizophrenic.

When someone becomes schizo, they usually get locked up for physch evaluation and treatment. Yet, when they claim to see or hear god/Jesus, that tends to be overlooked, as if it's perfectly normal.

 
 

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