Conservatives Are Perpetuating Dangerous Tropes About Patients Who Need Later Abortions
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Again proving the lies told by conservatives and republicans.
As an OB-GYN, an abortion provider, and a researcher who studies abortion and contraception, the work I do is fundamentally rooted in medical evidence and science. That’s why I’ve been so frustrated to see a conversation about abortion dominated by ideologically driven misinformation rather than facts unfold over the last week.
Leading conservative figures have used legislation proposed in Virginia and passed in New York to spread lies about abortion. In fact, all Virginia’s bill would do is end the burdensome 24-hour waiting period, remove the state-mandated ultrasound law, and require one doctor—instead of three—to approve a request for third-trimester abortions. The bill also says the doctor approving the request would no longer need to certify that the harm to the patient’s health would be “substantial and irremediable.” In New York, the law simply removes abortion from the criminal code, codifies Roe v. Wade , and allows patients who need later abortions to get care in their home state rather than travel across the count
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Nothing new there.
And yet, some people act like the sky is falling when it comes to abortion. That women will suddenly line up and out of the blue want late term abortions. It's irrational reactions and thinking.
What's also frustrating are people who seem to think another woman's choice and reasons for an abortion is somehow their business, when it is clearly not! It's like they have no other worries in life except for whom has an abortion.
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I asked this question of the site's ladies on another article about three hours ago, I'm sure you've seen it, no one has responded yet... (except the seeder who doesn't want it on her article)
I'm also going to also ask it here.... and for the last time, In case anyone is wondering I'm not spamming, I'm trying to find any liberal that is interested in the TRUTH of what abortion actually is. and YES I'me going to be doing an article on what an abortion actually is medically.....
It would be nice to actually have the truth in the spotlite when discussing what is actually happening during late term abortions and why many people are reacting to this legislation the way they are..........
Anyone actually interested in some real facts?
So if any hard core pro-choicer/abortion on demanders wish to chime in here, please do.....
I think most people (not sure why you single out liberals) know what an abortion is.
This should be good.
People react the way they do because they are emotionally driven and abortion is a buzzword that just sets them off.
By all means, let's see your "facts."
Excellent, Will do so later tonight.
Understand, I'm pro-choice to the point of birth, afterwards, I'm pro life....
I think it is the only sane ideal to have..... pre-birth the life of the mother is paramount, post birth the lives are equal in worth....
What I will post is something that will probably help explain the abhorrence some have to middle late trimester abortions....
In fact I'll do all four medically standard abortion procedures from early first to late third.....
But this is solely to get a truthful understanding of the procedures and understanding why they so emotionally effect some people.
I am adamantly pro-choice and I am not shy about it. It's our body and only our choice to terminate a pregnancy. Are you willing to admit that 2nd and 3rd-trimester abortions only happen under a medical emergency when the health or the life of the mother is in danger? The limit of elective abortions end at the 22nd or 24th week of gestation.
The mention of health is the medical health of the mother when it would not kill her but it would create a situation where her medical life after the pregnancy would be severely harmed or she would be left disabled in some way if the pregnancy continues to full term. The conservatives are trying to use the word health as it's mental health or her lifestyle, but there is no evidence for their emotional claims.
My only objection to this law is when I heard a NY legislator one who supported this legislation say on the radio (albiet when backed into a corner by an interviewer) that partial birth and post birth abortion is allowable under this law at the decision of the mother.
The Virginia Governor also said in his own words caught on tape that such is also covered under the law they had proposed. (but have since withdrawn)
In my view, any during or post birth abortion is murder. There are many justified reasons to have an abortion, the health of the woman/mother being paramount. That said, once the baby is in the process of being born, it has the same rights to life as the mother, there had better be a damned good reason for killing it that is one hell of a lot more than simply the woman decides....
No, it is not at the choice of the mother. Elective abortion(the choice of the mother) ends at 22 or 24 weeks, depending on the state. Any abortion after that must be a medical necessity because the fetus isn't viable or her health/life is at risk if the pregnancy continues. Those decisions must be made by a doctor/doctors. The mother can say no to the abortion and risk her life, but it is not her entirely choice to have the abortion.
The mother cannot choose to have an abortion once labor has begun. Anyone who claims that she can is shoveling manure by the ton.
I understand that is the claim, but then the legislator who helped get it passed said otherwise in public after a very lengthy attempt at avoiding the question..........
That tends to get people very very suspicious.....
I wouldn't trust the medical knowledge of a politician. After 30 weeks a fetus is viable outside the uterus without heroic medical measures if it doesn't have other complications, so they would not allow the late-term abortion of a healthy fetus for convenience.
Well I certainly hope that is correct.....
Anyway I've got to prep the article for posting......
Maybe some will understand why people get upset over late term abortion.....
Late term elective abortion isn't legal, so people need to stop acting like it is.
I'd hope that others stop trying to inject their religious and personal opinions into the lives of others. These people need to learn to mind their own business and they will have more than enough to do. Most of the people with their panties in a twist wouldn't adopt the unwanted babies anyhow so why are they making a public spectacle over the situation?
Evidently that didn't matter in the Virginia version of the law.....
That is Virginia Delegate Kathy Tran, sponsor of the bill, hesitantly admitting that the measure would permit aborting children even as a mother has begun dilating in preparation to give birth. I believe that is well after 30 weeks.....
What I've heard from others is the NY law is based upon the same ideals as the Virginia law.... But I haven't been able to locate a complete copy of the NY law yet to read it. But I'm still looking.
You need to stick to real facts instead of the make believe ones you are using.
Make Believe? Really?
Oh, your just trying to be funny......
Cause I'm absolutely sure your not one of those that denies proven facts....
This is a post I found on FB
Lindsey Erin
For all of you who think that New York is allowing these terminations after 24 weeks for people who don't want their babies, you're wrong. You are dead wrong. A nd your posts depicting perfect full-term babies that are supposedly in danger are nothing short of torturous.
This is the last picture I took of my son. I was 17 weeks pregnant when I found out that he had a condition that would make him incompatible with life. It broke me in ways you will never understand until you experience it yourself. I hope you never do.
I wasn't 24 weeks yet, but I already loved this baby. I named him. I had dreams of holding him, of kissing his little fingers and toes. Dreams of what his giggles would sound like. I wanted him, so very badly. How much worse must it be for women who have made it to 24 weeks or more?
I had to make a choice. As you can see, he was badly swollen. What you can't see is that his organs were surrounded by fluid. He was going to drown in the substance that was supposed to keep him safe. I wanted to try to carry to full term so that I could donate his organs to a baby that had a chance. Unfortunately, doing so would have nearly guaranteed that I would have developed eclampsia, had fatal seizures and left my other beautiful sons without a mother. There was only a 20% chance that I would even have made it to full term, because of the severity, and if he had passed before that, his organs would not have been eligible for donation. I made the heartbreaking choice to terminate via induction of labor. My doctors moved quickly, but showed more compassion towards me and my son than many of the people who claim to be pro-life. I was given a chance to hold him and say good-bye.
My story is not uncommon. The stories of the women put in this position through no fault of their own are heart-wrenching. The new law does not allow for healthy full term babies to be aborted. It does not allow for murder, yes a life is ended but it is an act of mercy. The law protects the women who are forced to make the hardest decision of their lives and the doctors who care for them.
These babies are wanted. These babies are loved. These mothers aren't murderers. These mothers are devastated. You are politicizing their pain and demonizing them.
# istandwithnewyork
She has my full empathy.......
As horrifying and tragic this is it is not what people are upset about at all....
No, it isn't, what they are upset about is a lie perpetrated by the extreme far right religious community who have no real idea of what they are talking about or, they just don't care, their dogma means more to them than two human lives, yes, I said two human lives, reread the story that Lady in black posted about what the mother said about taking the fetus to full term, she would have died along with her child. To the religious right it is better for two people to die than to abort a fetus that will not survive.
Are you kidding me. This is the exact reason why late term abortions are needed where the fetus would die or cause harm to the woman's health. So in your opinion if this woman was over the 24 week limit you'd let her die knowing the fetus would kill her. So much for empathy.
Where the hell you get that from what I said?
Besides your own posting says 17 weeks, not even at 24 yet where does Late term even come into it?
Just in case you don't know, My Daughter carried a baby full term she knew was going to die, we all did....
My first granddaughter, lived for three minutes, the physical stress of birth killed her. Massive advanced spina bifida equivalent to almost no spine at all....
Really? So much for yours.....
This statement is why I questioned your post.
So what are people upset up?
Sorry about your daughter.
Understandable...... I will post it, just waiting on a search to finish for more info....
I posted the spark that started all the current angst to Epistte above @ 3.2.7
Thank you for that, it was not an easy time.......