Trump ally Lindsey Graham says president should 'admit climate change is real'

  
Via:  krishna  •  one month ago  •  43 comments

Trump ally Lindsey Graham says president should 'admit climate change is real'
In response to a question about the president's environmental record, Graham said Trump should agree with the overwhelming scientific consensus that the planet is warming and come up with an aggressive response.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) questions Kelly Craft, President Trump's nominee to be Representative to the United Nations, during her nomination hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on June 19, 2019 in Washington, DC.

"I would encourage the president to look at the science, admit that climate change is real and come up with solutions that do not destroy the economy like the Green New Deal," the senator said, referring to the plan progressive Democrats have promoted to halt climate change.

"We will win the solution debate. But the only way you're going to win that debate is to admit you've got a problem."

Trump often mocks the science behind climate change and once referred to it as a "hoax" perpetrated by the Chinese to gain competitive advantage. He has instructed his administration to expand the development of carbon-emitting fossil fuels that contribute to a hotter planet. And he has rolled back previous efforts to reduce carbon emissions, including the Clean Power Plan that was a signature of President Barack Obama's efforts to confront the growing crisis.

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Krishna
1  seeder  Krishna    one month ago

 "We will win the solution debate. But the only way you're going to win that debate is to admit you've got a problem."

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Krishna @1    one month ago

Miss Lyndsey is such a "twit". He has to constantly attack Dems even on something as MONUMENTALLY important as "Climate Change".

What kind of an IDIOT does not believe in climate change? It is not about beliefs, it is Science.

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WallyW
1.1.1  WallyW  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1    one month ago

What kind of an IDIOT does not believe in climate change? It is not about beliefs, it is Science.

So....tell us all you know about climate change "science".

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.2  MUVA  replied to  WallyW @1.1.1    one month ago

Computer models is all they know.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  MUVA @1.1.2    one month ago

 Unfortunately they don’t know that most of those computer models have inherent factual errors built into them or even if they do they simply won’t admit it. 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.1.4  tomwcraig  replied to  WallyW @1.1.1    one month ago

You want to know about the science? 

1) It is unreliable.  The majority of the science behind the theory is 90% or less in terms of confidence level, which introduces huge amounts of error into any sort of hypothesis.

2) It ignores geologic history.  The geological record shows the Earth having been much warmer during the Jurassic period than it is currently and until an asteroid hit the Earth, life teemed on the planet.

3) It only focuses on blaming humans for a natural process.  The climate acts more like a pendulum than anything.  We are currently approaching the middle of an interglacial, and like a pendulum acceleration is greatest at the midpoint.  So, warming is going to be greatest when we actually reach the midpoint of the current interglacial and will start cooling at that point.

4) It relies on computer models which cannot predict the path of a single storm with any reliability, let alone what will happen within the next decade or century.

That is their vaunted science.  Take it from someone whom had Chemistry and computer programming training.  The moment anyone says anything is settled science, it means they are not a true scientist nor do they care about actual facts or data.  Science is always about questioning EVERYTHING about what is being proclaimed.  Heck, every day we are finding new things about the Universe we live in that actually shakes previously "settled science" like Einstein's Theory of Relativity.  Yet, these climate change zealots ignore those facts about science and rules of science to claim that 97% of "scientists" agree, when in fact in real science it should be 97% of scientists disagree!

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.5  SteevieGee  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1    one month ago
What kind of an IDIOT does not believe in climate change? It is not about beliefs, it is Science.

Looks like you just got your answer from 4 of those kinds of idiots there buddy.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.1.6  tomwcraig  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.5    one month ago

Okay, prove the science.  I pointed out why the science, other than it being the YOUNGEST of the sciences, is not really up to par.  What are your credentials on science, the scientific method, and computer modelling?

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  Krishna @1    one month ago

So....what are those solution?

What more can realistically be done

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @1.2    one month ago
What more can realistically be done

Not rolling back environmental protections would be a nice start. 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.2  tomwcraig  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.1    one month ago

No, a nice start would be to hold all the third world and second world countries and China to the same standards that we currently have instead of trying to turn us into a third world country by imposing so many regulations that businesses die and people no longer able to afford homes as is currently happening in California.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.2    one month ago
No, a nice start would be to hold all the third world and second world countries and China to the same standards that we currently have

We have almost no standards at all, trump appointed a figure head at the EPA that has been removing environmental protections since day one. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.4  SteevieGee  replied to  WallyW @1.2    one month ago
What more can realistically be done

So...  You're hurling along at 90 mph toward a 1000 foot cliff.  Do you try putting on the brakes?

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.5  tomwcraig  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.3    one month ago

No standards?  Are you forgetting the Clean Air Act?  We have laws that actually set up MAXIMUM emissions, China and the rest of the world does not have that.  Heck, even the Kyoto Accords and the Paris Climate Accords don't really place a maximum on emissions only a global goal and any maximums set are placed on the USA not on anyone else.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.4    one month ago

No you deploy your wings.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.7  tomwcraig  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.4    one month ago

So, you are driving 90 MPH on a hot day in the desert and up ahead of you is what looks to be a 1000 foot cliff.  As you get closer, you realize it is an optical illusion from the heat.  Oh, you do slow down, because it would be foolish to keep going that fast, unless you know the road and have seen this phenomenon before.  What you are trying to equate is the climate as being the cliff, but I am equating it to something we know about from the geologic record as having been much hotter in the past than currently and that we are approaching what should be the midpoint in the current interglacial (aka warm period between Ice Ages).  And, by using the geologic record, we know that there are warm periods between Ice Ages and that currently the Earth has been bouncing between one Ice Age and another (swinging between them like a pendulum).

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.8  livefreeordie  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.4    one month ago

The Cliff is a mirage.  Fortunately experienced drivers understand and ignore it

 
 
 
luther28
1.3  luther28  replied to  Krishna @1    one month ago

Well the first step is acknowledging there is a problem.

 
 
 
Krishna
2  seeder  Krishna    one month ago

Trump often mocks the science behind climate change and once referred to it as a "hoax" perpetrated by the Chinese to gain competitive advantage. He has instructed his administration to expand the development of carbon-emitting fossil fuels that contribute to a hotter planet.

And he has rolled back previous efforts to reduce carbon emissions, including the Clean Power Plan that was a signature of President Barack Obama's efforts to confront the growing crisis.

 
 
 
JBB
3  JBB    one month ago

Come on Lindsey. Trump is not going to tell the whole truth and neither are you...

Lindsey is a despicable self-loathing closet case who should resign immediately!

He lies about everything even who he really is so this should come as no surprise.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
3.1  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @3    one month ago

This comment proves that a number of people on the Left aren't as tolerant and inclusive of sexual orientations as they portray themselves to be. If they were, they would respect others' privacy.

Senator Lindsey Graham is a veteran who served with distinction (Colonel, Bronze Star) and has served our country in legislature. That's all that should concern us ... not what he does or doesn't do in private.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
3.1.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1    one month ago

Jasper2529, you are absolutely correct. We who tend to favor the Left are so diverse that some of us may be "politically incorrect".

I know that I count myself among that group.
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Krishna
3.1.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1    one month ago
Senator Lindsey Graham is a veteran who served with distinction (Colonel, Bronze Star) and has served our country in legislature. That's all that should concern us

Well if that's the case-- what about John McCain (Peace Be Upon Him):

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.3  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1    one month ago

Why doesn't he just come out? Being gay is fine. Being a yuge fake is not,..

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.3    one month ago
Why doesn't he just come out? Being gay is fine. Being a yuge fake is not,..

Gee, why don't all gay people come out? 

Why don't all victims of sexual assault come forward?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
3.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @3.1.3    one month ago
Why doesn't he just come out?

Lindsey Graham's sexual orientation is none of our business, JBB.

 
 
 
Sunshine
3.1.6  Sunshine  replied to  JBB @3.1.3    one month ago
Why doesn't he just come out? Being gay is fine. Being a yuge fake is not,..

Why do you care?  I thought lefties wanted people to mind their own business about personal sexuality.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.4    one month ago
Why don't all victims of sexual assault come forward?

Because people like trump call them all liars? 

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.8  WallyW  replied to  JBB @3.1.3    one month ago

Aren't you getting a bit off topic?

Again.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  JBB @3    one month ago

I was surprised he took this position-- I don't think it will play well in a reactionary state like South Carolina.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
3.2.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Krishna @3.2    one month ago

I certainly hope not. I am looking forward to the day that closet queen gets locked in a closet for good.

What an obnoxious kiss up. 

How does one go from being John McCain's sidearm to Trump's lackey?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @3.2.1    one month ago
How does one go from being John McCain's sidearm to Trump's lackey?

Maybe he's not a liar-- rather, it could merely be "a negotiating tactic"?

 
 
 
MrFrost
4  MrFrost    one month ago
 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5  igknorantzrulz    one month ago

Pretty low bar to Limbo under, 

when ole twinkle toes, becomes a voice of reason

 
 
 
 
WallyW
6.1  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @6    one month ago

More fear mongering I see.

 
 
 
JBB
6.1.1  JBB  replied to  WallyW @6.1    one month ago

Like telling folks poor refugee kids are bringing EBOLA and a crime wave?

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @6.1    one month ago
More fear mongering I see.

Scientific facts are fear mongering? You must scare very easily. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.2    one month ago

You haven't mentioned one scientific fact yet.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    one month ago

There is actually some smart political advice in what Graham is saying.

come up with solutions that do not destroy the economy like the Green New Deal

Some package of proposals that acknowledges the changes and moves toward policies that steward the planet rather than just exploit it could be very profitable politically. When acknowledging climate change means you want to take away everyone's cars and airplanes, you're not going to see any movement on the issue. But that's mainly what the Left offers these days.

Something a little more modest could swing a lot of moderate voters to choose Republican next Fall. That could bring back the House as well as get Trump reelected.

 
 
 
PJ
8  PJ    one month ago

I used to think Lindsey Graham was one of the senators that would work across party lines for the greater good but not anymore.  Since his master passed away he's turned into a lapdog to trump.

These days he just gives me whiplash. 

 
 
 
MUVA
8.1  MUVA  replied to  PJ @8    one month ago

Who exactly would he work with Fuck U Schumer.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.2  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @8    one month ago

He's got a spine, more than can be said of most democrats.

 
 
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