Protestors Remove U.S. Flag and Raise Mexican Flag In Its Place at ICE Detention Center
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Outside an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center in Aurora, Colorado, hundreds of protestors gathered during a demonstration that resulted in a U.S. flag being brought down off the flag pole, and a Mexican flag raised in its place.
Protestors also reportedly spray-painted "Abolish ICE" on a "Blue Lives Matter" flag before hoisting that up as well.
"We feel every person has the right to dignity. We also feel that immigrants are not being given the dignity that they deserve, like everyone else," Jason Hayman, who brought his four children to the rally in Aurora, told The Denver Post.
Protestors raised a Mexican flag on a flagpole directly in front of the facility after taking down a US flag. A Blue Lives Matter flag was also taking down, and spray-painted with the words "Abolish ICE" before being armed guards outside the center took down both flags, and reportedly re-hoisted the U.S. and Colorado flags in their place."
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"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Half of those words are true about your boy Trump
sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
And who were the ones that spouted there was " No Crises on the Border" again ?
Whatever crisis there is was created by Trump.
Do tell how it's Trumps fault ?
Whom are the folks running to the courts all the time, to stop Trump from doing anything about Illegals and the Border ?
How so?
Trump is not the one supporting open borders
Zero to Trump in two posts. Doesn’t get any better than that.
The hive thanks you for your work. Great job John!!
Is it your position that Trump is not an important factor behind the perception of this "crisis" ?
You beat me to it! LOL!
It’s my position this thread is “specifically” not about Trump.
BS! Said crisis began on the border long before Trump ever came to office. Do yourself a favor and read some real history before commenting rather than progressive leftist liberal talking points!
Spot on.
It's just more TDS Doc, that's all.
This from someome who suffers from DTKAI (Donald Trump Kool Aid Intoxication)
If you want to read about what truly goes on at the Mexican border, I strongly recommend a book called "The Reaper's Line: Life And Death On The Mexican Border". The book was written by Mr Lee Morgan, a retired Border Patrol and ICE Special Agent who spent 20 years working on the Mexican Border. The book is a eye opener. It is somewhat dated but the basic information remains th e same. Much of what he writes about took place in my hometown of Douglas in Cohise County in the extreme SE corner of AZ and borders Hidalgo County in NM.
Aww, that's the first i've seen that one. Did you make it up? How cute.
That doesn't really describe me very well but this one does:
NCPOAAT
Not Chronically Pissed Off At Anything Trump
Phonetically ..... N C Po At ..... i like it.
And the "Left" hasn't even hit their MOST "Stupid" moments yet. They've just started.
Think About that !
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The Mexicans Are Coming, The Mexicans Are Coming !!!!!
Actually, the illegals are going, the illegals are going.
Those being deported have been denied asylum by decisions made by the legal system. The law is being followed. Do you have a problem with law being followed when it comes to immigration issues? Encouraging and aiding and abetting illegal immigration and breaking of the law is not in the best interests of the Democrats, who have caused this immigration crisis in the first place.
Trump is either stupid or evil stupid depending on how you look at it.
He says his "raids" are going after criminals. If he is sincere, why would you announce to criminals that you are going to "raid" them in a few days? Giving criminals warning will only enable them to elude capture.
But giving warning of the raids to people with children and families will only terrorize them.
So which is Trump, evil or stupid? Stupid or evil?
Because NPR was reporting that has worked for incentivizing self deportation and statistics for self deportation are on the rise since he began letting them know they are going to be deported. Many of these illegals are now rethinking their criminal behavior and are deciding to get out before they get kicked out. They know their illegal actively will no longer be ignored like it was under Obama.
they are lucky they got any warning at all.
that was their clue to haul ass and get out of our country on their own.
Along with a bunch of other nationalities too !
Thank Goodness this crises really isn't happening. If it was, we'd be in deep shit right now !
The U.S. should develop a plan intended to improve living conditions in the Central American countries where these migrants are originating from.
Then we need to expedite the asylum claims of those who arrive here.
In the meantime the migrants who are in the US custody should be treated with dignity.
None of that is happening because it is a re-election chip for Trump, in appealing to his deplorables , for him to be "cruel" to brown skinned people.
We can't even fix the homeless/Poor problem in this country, and you think we're gonna fix living conditions in other countries ?
Are you fucking kidding right now ?
Although the greater number of these immigrants appear to be "very fine people looking for a better life", the Dems want to ignore the bad element that comes along with them. This category would include criminals of all kinds, such as sexual predators and traffickers and violent gang members. And let us not forget all the vermin and diseases that have resurfaced since this unrestricted human flood got worse under the Obama regime.
The "Left" doesn't want to fix anything right now. They "Need" this crises. Elections are coming up !
It is not our responsibility to improve living conditions in their home countries. Who will pay for it?
It's the democrats fault for the border bottlenecks, because they encourage the immigration, and yet refuse to fund better facilities and providing more agents.
In spite of the crowding and left wing lies, the immigrants are being well treated.
Your last statement is just stupid
US Interventions Have Destabilized Central America
BY JASON FRERICHS · OCTOBER 10, 2017
The hits just seem to keep coming regarding the Trump administration’s callous treatment of immigrants from Central America. Many of these immigrants are trying to escape gang violence and striving for a better life. On August 16th, Trump decided to end the parole portion of the Central American Minors Program . The program allowed young people under threat of gang violence to rejoin family members already legally residing in the US. This was a renewable two-year visa which allowed residents to legally work and/or attend school in the United States. For now, the refugee portion of the program is still in place but thousands of applicants who had already been accepted have had their ability to legally enter the US revoked.
Unaccompanied minors fleeing Central America is not a new phenomenon. This started happening at an alarming pace under the Obama administration. This is more than just another symptom of a broken immigration system. The question we have must ask ourselves is, “What caused this to happen?” What chain of events caused such a breakdown in Central American society that it allowed for the proliferation of gangs like Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13)? Why can’t the central governments of countries like El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras protect their citizens from threats, violence, extortion, and intimidation from criminal organizations? Is it systemic corruption? Are these countries failed states? If so, what are the root causes?
The truth is that the current situation in Central America is largely a result of horrible US foreign policy that has propped up brutal dictatorships and overthrown democratically elected governments that attempted to put in a system of checks and balances to combat US interference. The US did not like that these elected leftist governments were not pro-US and did not want to roll over and be exploited. The most immediate cause can be traced to the former President Ronald Reagan, who funded and deployed right-wing military death squads in El Salvador, which waged a civil war against its own citizens in the name of stopping the spread of communism. The US spent $4 billion on economic and military aid to El Salvador which led to the death of 75,000 people, many of them civilians caught in the crossfire. Reagan dumped $1 billion into Nicaragua to fight against the democratically elected Sandinista government. This led to the deaths of 50,000 people. Reagan used Honduras as a base to coordinate military operations against the Nicaraguan government. Multiple US presidents also propped up the brutal Somoza dictatorship, which led to the deaths of 200,000 people. This started in 1924 when the US forced the sitting president to resign and installed Adofo Diaz. Eventually, Anastasio Somoza Garcia overthrew Diaz, with the blessing of the US, and held onto power for 43 years.
Gerson Martinez, an El Salvadoran rebel leader in the 1980s, has called Central American street gangs the “ grandchildren ” of Reagan’s policies. He said the migration created by US-backed paramilitaries was the cause of large numbers of people migrating to the United States. He also stated that the many of the gang members are people who fled the war and learned gang culture in cities like Los Angeles and New York City. After deportation, they brought the gang violence home, creating the “region’s most critical security issue.”
The US history of meddling in Central America goes back much further than the 1980s. In 1954 , the US deposed Guatemalan president Jacobo Arbenz and installed a puppet dictatorship that was more in line with the interests of the United Fruit Company, which coincidently had ties to brothers Allen and John Foster Dulles, the CIA director and Secretary of State respectively. Che Guevara was living in Guatemala at the time and blamed Guatemala’s “open society” for the situation that led to a coup. He convinced Fidel Castro of this. Castro was able to fend off many attempts on his life but the cost of this was a free Cuba. Cases of US interference in Latin America can be traced back as early as 1780. To write about all them would require writing a novel.
The most recent example of US interference happened in Honduras on June 28th, 2009, when democratically elected president Jose Manuel Zelaya was deposed. The American support for the dictatorship of Porfirio Lobo has been a foreign policy disaster. The US media likes to blame the drug trafficking gangs for the explosion of violence that has caused the country to have the world’s highest murder rate, but that is an incorrect and simplistic way to view the situation. The coup of Zelaya caused a large increase in drug trafficking, violence, and a wave of state-sponsored oppression. Honduras meets the criteria to be considered a failed state . Lobo won an election in November 2009 that was run by the same people who caused the coup. President Obama recognized him when most of Latin America would not. Members of the press have been assassinated, as have 43 land activists. Nevertheless, Obama praised Lobo for “restoring democracy.” Eighty-seven members of Congress signed a letter imploring then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to block military and police aid to Honduras.
New York Times writer Dana Frank wrote,
Trump has tried to point the finger at President Obama, claiming his “weak” immigration policies are what caused the proliferation of MS-13, but well known “liberal rag” Business Insider proves that this could not be further from the truth. According to their article on the subject, gangs like MS-13 and Barrio 18 were established in Los Angeles in the 1980s. In the 1990s, migrants started moving to the east coast in search of new job opportunities. Unfortunately, gang culture moved with them, helping spread this violent ideology. Even the fact sheet released by the Department of Justice on April 18th, 2017, shows that MS-13 has been operating in the US since the 1980s. MS-13 gang activity has been documented in 42 different states, including Iowa . While it can be argued that Obama was extremely weak on this issue, the conditions that led to the current situation were in place long before Obama was even a state senator.
Many different presidential administrations, both Republicans and Democrats, have caused a great deal of harm in Central America. These efforts particularly ramped up during the Cold War period, in a paranoid attempt to limit Soviet influence in the region. This is a problem we caused so we have an obligation to do what we can to fix it. Immigration hardliners like to blame the “moral failings” of the immigrants who come here to escape crushing poverty, gang violence, and an extremely high rate of unemployment. They fail to consider the history of US imperialism and oppression because that would force them to view immigrants/refugees as human beings. It would go against their view that the US is the “greatest nation on earth.” America, we built this. It’s our responsibility to fix it.
It's debatable that the so called interventionism caused the problems extant in Central America. So you admit that previous democrat administrations had their hands in this mess also. The point being discussed is that the problem predated Trump who is trying to fix it. What have the Democrats ever done to "fix it"?
“But the 800-pound gorilla that’s missing from the table is what we have been doing there that brings them here, that drives them here.” Decades of U.S. intervention .'
Your the one that just posted
3.2.1 JohnRussell :
"The U.S. should develop a plan intended to improve living conditions in the Central American countries where these migrants are originating from."
You want the U.S. to get involved now, but then you put up that U.S. involvement has caused a problem.
Are you Fucking kidding me ?
One of our problems is that we destabilized the societies of these countries with our "anti-communism" efforts first initiated by Reagan. He was so worried about "Marxism" taking hold in the western hemisphere that he created the conditions that have led to the destruction of those societies.
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That's just a wild ass assumption instead of being factual. These countries have never had a functioning democratic type of society or government.
How do you discuss ANYTHING, with a person that CONTRIDICTS his/her own self ?
That would be as dumb as discussing "Illegal" is the same as "Legal" with someone !
It's the norm on the "Left" for sure.
They're "For It", before "They were against it" !
John Kerry and Hillary Clinton coined that one for the Bizarro's to use at a later date !
The "Later Date" is now here !
We already give millions of dollars in humanitarian aid to Central American countries. The question is ... what the hell are those countries DOING with that free money?
WOW !
Trump didn't do that !
He's trying to fix it, and the "Left" are trying to stop him ! The "Left" NEEDS "Status-quo ?
Are the illegal aliens from Asian and European countries "brown skinned people"? NO. Stop pulling that stupid race card, because it's been over-used for years and no longer has credibility.
Already tried that; and wasted how many billions of dollars? Or do you really need to have it proven that the US sucks at nation building?
Working on that already. Despite the Dems not wanting to fund it.
That takes money. It took the Dems forever to admit there was a crisis at the border. Just before the 4th of July the House passed the Senate emergency finance bill. It takes time for the money to be allocated, and new detention centers to be brought on line. It is not like Trump can allocate funds from elsewhere, and not have the Dems and left fight him every step of the way in court. The Dems were trying to restrict the amount of beds outside of the border that ICE can use. That was at the start of this year.
Read the part I put in bold. You want to explain how asinine her statement is. Immigrants that are here legally do not get deported. Only those that are undocumented; or have over stayed/violated their VISA's do- which means they are all in violation of our laws.
Outside of that 2,000 undocumented/illegal immigrants hitting our southern border every day and the fucking idiots in Congress, lead by the Democrats, were talking about capping the number of beds available? WTF! How out of touch with reality are they!
And the race card is played. Feel better? "Think only brown skinned people" are being deported? The ICE crack down is on all illegal immigrants that are in violation of US law; regardless of country of origin.
None of what you propose will fix our illegal immigration problem. It will take a major reform in our laws. Starting with either the mother or father of any child born must be a legal US citizen; to be considered a US citizen. That will do away with anchor babies, and remove a major reason for pregnant mothers coming. Before you say anything; yes I know that most come from China now- who the hell cares? The law will apply equally to everyone. Second, allow immigrants to apply for amnesty at US embassies and consulates in their home countries. That will save them the wasted trip, when the majority will get their amnesty request refused. Lastly, anyone caught in the US illegally will have no chance at obtaining asylum, citizenship, or VISA's of any kind. They will be deported immediately, and any future attempts at entry will meet with the same immediate deportation back to their country of origin at that countries expense. If that means we have to freeze that country's assests to get payment- so be it.
When in doubt obfuscate, deflect, redirect, project ....
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Do you demand that the European Union also develop plans to improve living conditions in Middle Eastern countries?
We are doing what we can. It is kind of hard when we have to waste so much time with all the bogus claims of asylum.
The countries have been "unstable" for pretty much forever. That's not something the United States introduced. Unless your idea of "stable" is strongman dictatorships, then yeah, I guess we might have destabilized a country or two. I'm not sorry for that.
No country donates more in humanitarian aid and relief around the world than the USA. And i’m not talking just the government but private citizens and organizations as well.
Perhaps we should just stop all of it cold turkey just so you could see what real pain looked like ...... ya think?
And by far more conservatives doing the donating than the liberal counterparts.
Many in the younger generations don’t have a clue about that. The USSR and communism was the biggest existential threat to our existence back then. Russians were our enemy back then and my opinion on that hasn’t changed. Although they have more competition now. Specifically .... China.
It’s still ..... better dead than red.
So, now you want the U.S. to be the "fixer" for all countries who are so deeply entrenched in nepotism, greed, and crooked leadership? Why? As "Me" asks below - when did the citizens in the U.S. fall to the bottom of the ladder?
Trump did. He will put a hotel there soon.
See for yourself! Foreign countries really are influencing American politics.
Reparations for immigrants would be easy. Just give California back to Mexico.
US intervention south of our border goes back long before Reagan was even born , starting with the Monroe doctrine , At the beginning of the last century even ole TR , created his great white fleet to intervene in the gulf areas , not just to project US naval abilities world wide, he even went so far as to instigate a revolution that separated what is now Panama , from Columbia which it was part of , to get a better deal on making the panama canal than the Columbians were seeking or offering .
And just about every president since then has stuck their pinkie fingers in the area , be they dem or rep, for whatever resources were needed at the time .
Doesn't make it right , but trying to lay the blame in only one place isn't right either.
So does every country. You deprive a country of its dignity when you march across its borders without permission and start demanding things.
Easy fix to this?
Round up everyone at a immigrant center that is here illegally and return them to their country of origin. They committed a crime by coming here illegally, so being returned should be the correct course of action.
I find it hilarious that the faux outrage liberals are upset about the Tennessee governor that signed a law that the legislature passed and many governors, including democratic governors, signed before him, but have absolutely no problem with dumbassess taking down an American flag in Colorado, and replace it with a Mexican flag.
In most countries, taking down the flag of the country and replacing it with another country's flag is a textbook example of a coup. Those who did that should be held on those charges.