Trump has not built single mile of new border wall since taking office

  
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Trump has not built single mile of new border wall since taking office

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Trump has not built single mile of new border wall since taking office



102b4830-25c0-11e7-a66a-23957430fe89_lat Colin Drury,The Independent 4 hours ago 






It was the controversial campaign promise that Donald Trump built his 2016 electoral success on: to build what he called a “big beautiful wall” on the US border with Mexico.

But, two and half years after he took office, supporters – who were so enamoured by the idea, they regularly chanted in favour of the structure – may be forgiven for wondering where exactly it is.

Now, it has emerged that not a single new stretch of border wall has been built since Mr Trump took office in January 2017.

A statement released by the US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency confirmed the 51 miles of fencing completed since Mr Trump took power has simply replaced barriers that already existed.

No original wall or fencing has been created in areas that previously did not have any, it said.

That is despite the fact that a total of 205 miles of both new and replacement wall and fencing has already been budgeted for since Mr Trump took office – including via the Treasury Forfeiture Fund which the president redirected through controversial executive action in February.

Speaking anonymously to the Washington Examiner, a senior official in the Trump administration said engineers could move faster on so-called replacement projects than entirely new stretches of fence because the approval process for environmental and zoning permits was less extensive.

Another official blamed Democrats for obstructing progress. He told the newspaper: “The wall projects are moving along as quickly as practicably possible given the unprecedented obstruction from Democrat lawmakers to protect and prolong open borders.”

Yet it seems the lack of progress will not deter Mr Trump from making the wall a central part of his 2020 election campaign.

When crowds took up their now familiar refrain of “build that wall" at a recent rally in El Paso, Texas, Mr Trump responded by telling them: “Now, you really mean 'finish that wall,' because we've built a lot of it.”

The CBP recently said it will be continuing to build the approximately 205 miles of wall that have been funded so far this year, using Treasury Forfeiture Fund money that Mr Trump seized in February after the partial government shutdown.

The Trump administration was sued for taking $6.6bn from the military and other departments to be used for building the border wall after Congress refused to grant the president the money he had requested.








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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Nothing but lies from this lying sack of shit 'president'

 
 
 
WallyW
2  WallyW    one month ago

As usual, not the reality. Tell us again, why is an unsecured border a good thing?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-completes-construction-50-miles-new-border-wall

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @2    one month ago

Never said that. 

Why do you make shit up?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @2.1    one month ago

Why do you make shit up?

"OH....OH...OH.... ME...Me teacher...Me!   I know the answer to that one!"

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  WallyW @2    one month ago

If you cared to read the article it talks about the claim from the CBP that you link.

"The agency said that it had built 51 miles of steel bollard fence with funding that was set aside during fiscal 2017 and 2018. But while the funding was meant both to replace outdated walls and to place barriers where there previously had been none, the government has only completed the replacement projects."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

That is not true.  

Trump Has Not Built Single Mile Of New Border Wall Since Taking Office

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Tessylo @3    one month ago

from the seed..."it has emerged that not a single new stretch of border wall has been built since Mr Trump took office in January 2017."

That's the stretch Mexico is paying for.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @3    one month ago

From your own seed.

A statement released by theUS Customs and Border Protection(CBP) agency confirmed the 51 miles of fencing completed since Mr Trump took power has simply replaced barriers that already existed.

No original wall or fencing has been created in areas that previously did not have any, it said.

That is despite the fact that a total of 205 miles of both new and replacement wall and fencing has already been budgeted for since Mr Trump took office – including via the Treasury Forfeiture Fund which the president redirected through controversial executive action in February.

Speaking anonymously to theWashington Examiner, a senior official in the Trump administration said engineers could move faster on so-called replacement projects than entirely new stretches of fence because the approval process for environmental and zoning permits was less extensive.

Another official blamed Democrats for obstructing progress. He told the newspaper: “The wall projects are moving along as quickly as practicably possible given the unprecedented obstruction from Democrat lawmakers to protect and prolong open borders.”

Takes time to build new stretches of wall; especially with the left delaying things with law suits, protests, and general BS. Pretty bad when even your own source admits it.

Also, considering the first new border wall construction contracts were just handed out; what is the left expecting?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/08/politics/border-wall-construction-contracts/index.html

The first contracts to support the construction of President Donald Trump's much-sought-after border wall are expected to be awarded this week using Pentagon funds, two US defense officials tell CNN.

The officials tell CNN that the first US Army Corps of Engineers contracts to support the wall's construction should be signed this week, with one official saying it could happen as early as Tuesday.
The contracts are to support work at the two sections of the proposed wall that Defense Department officials surveyed late last month, in Yuma, Arizona, and the New Mexico part of the El Paso sector, which also includes Texas.
A spokesperson for the Army Corps of Engineerstold CNN last monththat the plan was to install 11 miles of fencing at Yuma and 46 miles at El Paso.
The funds for the contracts are to come from the $1 billion that was recently reprogrammed from Army personnel accounts into the 284 counter-drug account that authorizes border barrier construction.
That reprogramming has been opposed by some lawmakers in Congress, but the Pentagon has said it does not need congressional approval to shift the funds.
As a consequence of the move, Congress has threatened to strip the Pentagon of its ability to transfer funds in the future.
Officials had previously told CNN that if the contracts were awarded in mid-April, construction could begin by late May, depending on whether the Department of Homeland Security issues environmental waivers, which is sometimes done to expedite construction.
Oh, and construction has begun on new sections of border wall.
Construction is expected to be completed in 2020 as per US Customs and Border Protection
 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2    one month ago

See Dismayed Patriot's post above.  Plus this:

Trump Has Not Built Single Mile Of New Border Wall Since Taking Office

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @3    one month ago

Maybe he is waiting for his second term to begin...jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4  Paula Bartholomew    one month ago

So much money was spent on the prototypes.  I wonder if any of those contracts went to Trump's buddies.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5  Nerm_L    one month ago

There are two types of barriers used along the southern border; vehicular barriers and pedestrian barriers.  Has some of the existing vehicular barriers been replaced by pedestrian barriers?  That would be a new wall.

It's surprising that Democrats are highlighting their efforts to obstruct border walls as a point of political pride.  Now if Democrats could get rid of TSA at airports then they would have really accomplished something.  But for Democrats it's more important for people inside the United States to have the government's boot on their neck.  Illegal border jumpers can't have the Democrats' boot on their necks until they're in the country.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Trump Has Not Built Single Mile Of New Border Wall Since Taking Office

That would not be new wall, what bullshit.  

Yawn.  Your usual nonsense.  

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @6    one month ago

A couple of things here..

It's obvious that you do not want security for this country. Is it simply because Trump? Were you equally "outraged" when Obama admin and the democrat led Congress passed and signed laws adding billions to add barriers to the southern border?

If I were a betting man, my money would be on "It's Trump".

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @6.1    one month ago
It's obvious that you do not want security for this country.

How is that obvious?

It's like telling a 14 year old you see drinking their dads coffee "Well it's obvious that you don't want to grow any taller. You know coffee stunts your growth."

No, it doesn't. That's a myth, just like it's a myth that additional southern border wall would stop illegal border crossings. All building a wall would do is spend billions we don't have on a speed bump across the border, one that would then require additional billions every year into infinity to maintain, all to stop the 30% of illegal immigration that is coming across the border, the other 70% comes from overstaying visas that a wall would do NOTHING to prevent, it wouldn't even slow it down.

I love this country and I want smart effective border enforcement where my tax dollars are being well spent on programs that actually work in reducing illegal border crossings. I also recognize that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If the right wing had any brains among them they would understand how it would be a far better use of funds to work with the countries these people are fleeing to improve conditions in their own countries so they don't feel like trying to get into the US is their best option.

So quit with the tired old bullshit claim that the "left" or those of us who reject the half-wit call for a border wall "don't want security" for America. It's only about Trump because he's the half-wit who used the wall as a propaganda tool to get conservatives so scared they'd shit their pants fearing their "white culture" was being attacked which justified voting for a dumb shit like Donald.

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.1    one month ago
How is that obvious?

Because the endgame of the left is that President Trump fails. Not just his policies, but he himself. Anything that can get to that point is a plus to the left. The left cheers when reports like this come out, true or not.

If you love this country and want smart, effective border security, then contact your congressional rep and tell them to get off their asses and do something other than accuse the President of manufacturing a crisis, then blaming the crisis on the President when it is politically expedient.

Tell you what..I will quit claiming the left does not want border security when the left stops insisting that all Trump supporters are racist simply for supporting the policies of the President, even when there is no "racism" in any of his policies. In addition, I will stop accusing the left of wanting open borders when the left stops calling minority Trump supporters tokens and Uncle Toms. The left should have learned their lesson after the 2016 election. Those reasons are why we have a President Trump today. The left brought that on themselves, and it looks like it is going to happen again in 2020.

For some reason, I feel it will be a very long time before I quit making my accusations of the left.

This tactic is dry and old, much like the same tactic of calling us racists for not supporting Obama policies..

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @6.1    one month ago

That's bullshit, complete and utter bullshit.  As usual bugs

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.3    one month ago
That's bullshit, complete and utter bullshit.  As usual bugs

Of course it is to you because it speaks the truth and you don't like it. I'm sure you flagged my comment for some triggered reason, but please explain why my comment is bullshit. Use actual rebuttal facts and not just liberal feelings or emojis to make your point.

Thanks.

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.5  lib50  replied to  bugsy @6.1.2    one month ago
Tell you what..I will quit claiming the left does not want border security when the left stops insisting that all Trump supporters are racist simply for supporting the policies of the President, even when there is no "racism" in any of his policies. In addition, I will stop accusing the left of wanting open borders when the left stops calling minority Trump supporters tokens and Uncle Toms. The left should have learned their lesson after the 2016 election. Those reasons are why we have a President Trump today. The left brought that on themselves, and it looks like it is going to happen again in 2020.

The reason while so many Americans and humans across the world will continue to call out racism when its seen and heard lies within that paragraph.  Those very policies are part of the racism and bigotry.  Not to mention nobody can help themselves defending the despicable racism every single time.  You just did here by denying it.  None of his supporters have enough disgust with his cruel inhumanity or his lies about everything.  Literally.  So the only thing left is deny his racism so they can deny theirs.  Because no way any of this is worth the cost to humanity, and people who care can see it whether it's directed against them or another group. 

The Obama comparison is just asinine.  Republicans DIDN'T just go against his policies.  Especially TRUMP.  WHO WAS OVERTLY AND LOUDLY RACIST.  So stop the damn gaslighting.  Trump is a racist who uses race hate to make his base happy, and he revels in it every time.  We fucking see it with our own eyes and ears.

Meantime, I want border security.  Real, not the kind of bullshit Trump peddles.  The reason so many are against his wall is because its not about border security, its about him and his base, he ignores everything else, just focus on the brown people from the south so he can have something to talk about.  Our border is not just Mexico and walls don't fix the problems.  Stop wasting our money.  And don't expect to uncouple from Trump's racism. 

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1.6  bugsy  replied to  lib50 @6.1.5    one month ago
Those very policies are part of the racism and bigotry.

Just generalities with no specifics. How about showing some.

The rest is just as I am saying. You think Trump's policies are racist because....Trrrrruuuuummmp. No other reason.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @6.1.4    one month ago

No truth.  Bullshit 

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1.8  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.7    one month ago

So you admit you have nothing. No surprise. I'm sure your friend I responded to will have a similar response with similar results.

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Dismayed Patriot
6.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @6.1.2    one month ago
Because the endgame of the left is that President Trump fails. Not just his policies, but he himself.

Donald Trump is already a monumental failure, some are just too stupid to realize it.

I will quit claiming the left does not want border security when the left stops insisting that all Trump supporters are racist simply for supporting the policies of the President

And I will stop pointing out the racist tactics of the President when he stops using them. The border wall was an invented crisis by a dumb shit racist President who knew he could solidify his white nationalist base by riling them up over a border wall debate. Every sensible American understands that a contiguous Southern border is insanity and unnecessary and Mexico will never pay for it in any form what-so-ever. It was a lie from the start but it got his base red in the face with indignation over it and he continues to manipulate the weak minded fools by playing to their xenophobic fears.

For some reason, I feel it will be a very long time before I quit making my accusations of the left.

Yeah, no kidding, I don't think Trumps GOP will stop using such vile racists tactics any time soon, they see it as a big win for their white nationalist message, for their "My country, right or wrong" mentality.

much like the same tactic of calling us racists for not supporting Obama policies..

I love how so many Republicans keep claiming that but I watched their racist melt down in real time, the ape memes, the caricatures done by right wing media, the lies told about his birth place stoking fear in conservative white Americans, there's no mistaking why they hated Obama and it wasn't his policies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @6.1    4 weeks ago

Nope, never said that either.  

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lib50
6.1.11  lib50  replied to  bugsy @6.1.6    4 weeks ago

Trump is racist and it's been obvious since his even BEFORE his birther days.   And the reason the rest of the gop gets hit with it is because they just can't help themselves denying or deflecting from the subject.   You just did it too.  We are specifically talking about 'the wall', part of the policies, so why don't you just read for more.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

Trump has a long history of racist controversies

Here’s a breakdown of Trump’s history, taken largely from Dara Lind’s list for Vox and an op-ed by Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times:

  • 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.
  • 1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
  • 1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.
  • 1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
  • 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
  • 1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
  • 1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
  • 2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
  • 2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”
  • 2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”
  • 2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”
  • 2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a ”carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
  • 2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

For many people, none of these incidents, individually, may be totally damning: One of these alone might suggest that Trump is simply a bad speaker and perhaps racially insensitive (“politically incorrect,” as he would put it), but not overtly racist.

But when you put all these events together, a clear pattern emerges. At the very least, Trump has a history of playing into people’s racism to bolster himself — and that likely says something about him too.

And of course, there’s everything that’s happened through and since his presidential campaign.
 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7  igknorantzrulz    one month ago

What,

do you mean Trumpp Lied ?

Can't be true .

i mean just about ANYTHING Trumpy says

Can't be true !

 
 
 
JBB
7.1  JBB  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7    4 weeks ago

It is the utter lack of personal decency exhibited by Trump and his boot licking minions that galls me most. They care not whom they destroy in their self absorbed quest for self enrichment. There is, of course, no new wall despite billions being squandered. Border security has not improved so Trump and the damn gop blame Democrats or, when all else fails, can always just divert attention from reality, again, by going all out racist slandering a few young brown first term Congresswomen. Throwing out some red meat for the gop base never fails to divert them from reality. Reality Is...Trumpism is A WALL OF LIES...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JBB @7.1    4 weeks ago

Trapping an awful lot, that damn wall has

.

.

of his defenders, as they prefer to live in plastic bubbles.

Lie to me, and ill defend you till the end"

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    one month ago

I never thought the president would actually build the wall himself.

Some are so literal....

 
 
 
lib50
8.1  lib50  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8    one month ago

He also said Mexico would pay, not us.   Nope, another lie.  So Trump says something, its a lie so suddenly we shouldn't take him literally.   So is that what conservatives are doing with his racism too?  Don't believe what he says because he didn't mean it literally?   What exactly do you believe a person should believe from Trump's mouth?  How does one tell when he's lying (as if we need an answer to that).

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  lib50 @8.1    one month ago

You sound like every conservative did during the Obama presidency.

Almost identical.

Funny stuff 

 
 
 
JBB
8.1.2  JBB  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8.1.1    4 weeks ago

Yeah, except Obama is STILL...The Most Admired Man in The World...

Donald Trump is not even on the list though he is...The Most Dispised!

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @8.1.2    4 weeks ago

Yup and that just burns Rump's big fat ass to no end!!!!!!!!!

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JBB
8.1.4  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.3    4 weeks ago

Trump's fat ass should be burning because his pants are on fire...

 
 
 
MUVA
8.1.5  MUVA  replied to  JBB @8.1.2    4 weeks ago

Just to sycophants the rest of us could care less about Barry. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.3    4 weeks ago
Yup and that just burns Rump's big fat ass to no end!!!!!!!!!

He probably is not even aware of that poll, since I doubt FoxNews has given it any airtime.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @8.1.4    4 weeks ago

Friction might also be the cause of that.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.7    4 weeks ago
Friction might also be the cause of that.

Or last night's Taco Bell.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9  Tacos!    one month ago

I am glad that we are at least replacing the feeble fencing that passed for a barrier. That's some progress. Hopefully, we can see more in the coming years.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9    4 weeks ago

So you concede that whatshisface has not BUILT A SINGLE MILE OF NEW BORDER WALL SINCE TAKING OFFICE?

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    4 weeks ago

Apparently no new wall in a place where there was literally zero barrier before. Ok. Is that supposed to be his fault?

I would have thought you'd be happy. Do you wish you we had more border wall?

 
 
 
katrix
9.1.2  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    4 weeks ago

What bothers me is his constant lying about it - and his diehard base believing his lies (as well as conveniently forgetting all the times he swore Mexico would pay for the wall).

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  katrix @9.1.2    4 weeks ago
What bothers me is his constant lying about it

Also known as "spin." Factually, we are building border wall. And upgrading the barrier is something his voters wanted. So it seems like it would be reasonable for him to brag about it a little. 

Are there some qualifiers to be had? Sure! My understanding is that much of the building was actually approved when Obama was still in office. So, he should some credit, but that's not popular, right now.

On the other hand, I think we have to assume, based on what we hear from them, that if Hillary or any other Democrat were in office, they would block such construction. So, maybe Trump gets to take some credit after all.

It is disappointing, though, that no wall has been built in new locations - or even approved and funded, so far as I know. Seeing as how the Democratic Party has convinced itself that walls are racist, it's hard to see it happening unless we can get 60 Republicans in the Senate and a majority in the House.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.3    4 weeks ago

You call it spin.  Everyone else calls it lies and bullshit.  

 
 
 
katrix
9.1.6  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.3    4 weeks ago
It is disappointing, though, that no wall has been built in new locations - or even approved and funded, so far as I know.

Yet Trump lies and claims it has - and you call that "spin."  It's an outright lie designed to appeal to his base, who won't do research from factual sources.  Just as he lied and claimed Mexico would pay for the wall.

Personally, I'd like to see analysis done of what the best method is of protecting our borderS - plural - before we go throwing billions at new walls. For example, drones can cover a lot of ground where walls can't feasibly be built, or where they'd cause too many problems for residents. And they could notify the border patrol of where their presence is needed.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  katrix @9.1.6    4 weeks ago
Yet Trump lies and claims it has

I haven't seen that. I've seen him say "we're building the wall," which is true, if vague and incomplete. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he isn't full of shit, as a general matter. He always has been.

 
 
 
katrix
9.1.8  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.7    4 weeks ago

He's specifically claimed that we've started building his beautiful wall. But then, I doubt you follow his Twitter feeds ;)

I don't either (I don't use Twitter at all), but I remember reading about that in an article and just looked it up to confirm.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10  igknorantzrulz    4 weeks ago

But Trump said the wall has been being built

N

Mexico is paying for it.

Gullible is beyond gullible with this group

 
 
 
freepress
11  freepress    4 weeks ago

P.T. Barnum strikes again. The Greatest Show on Earth, con job of the century and the rubes bought it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  freepress @11    4 weeks ago

I bet they would be first in line 'to buy tickets to the egress'.  

 
 
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