Do fish feel pain?

  
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Do fish feel pain?

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Do fish feel pain?

By Christian Cotroneo, Mother Nature Network, September 28, 2019

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One creature in this photo has the upper hand. (Photo: Irina Tarzian/Shutterstock)

As a species, we may moan about it louder, but we hardly have the exclusive rights to pain.

We've certainly seen a dog nursing a wound. Or a deer calling out in distress. But many animals suffer in silence, and we're only too happy to refrain from asking them how they feel — lest it should ruin dinner.




But science keeps rearing its pesky head.

Do we feel differently about our bug-smushing ways when we learn that a   fruit fly can feel pain ? Or how about a   lobster , waiting for that boiling pot of water?

The most silent sufferers in the animal world may be fish. We've been plucking them from the sea for thousands of years — and recently, with such wholesale efficiency that we may   empty the oceans .

Again, science is here to put our love for herring in a real pickle.

A new study from the University of Liverpool   published in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B   has found that fish feel pain in a way that's "strikingly similar" to humans. In fact, like us, they hyperventilate and stop eating when they're hurting. They will even rub the part of their body that aches.

For the study, Lynne Sneddon, from the university's Institute of Integrative Biology, reviewed the existing body of research — 98 studies in all — and concluded that they feel pain just as sharply as we do.

"When subject to a potentially painful event, fishes show adverse changes in behaviour such as suspension of feeding and reduced activity, which are prevented when a pain-relieving drug is provided," Sneddon   notes in a university release .

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We don't know if goldfish feel the existential pain of spending their lives in a bowl, but they do feel pain. (Photo: MilousSK/Shutterstock)

To understand pain in other species,   scientists look at nociceptors , specialized receptors that send signals to the spinal cord and brain when the body is being damaged. Humans have them throughout their skin, bones and muscles. Nociceptors have also been found in many other species, including sea slugs, mollusks and even those tiny fruit flies.

Fish have the same means to detect pain signals. But scientists have long pondered whether they have the equipment to receive them. In other words, can the single-layered forebrain of a fish process pain the same way that the much more complex mind of a primate does?

To find the answer, researchers have looked at how animals respond to potentially painful stimuli.

"When the fish's lips are given a painful stimulus they rub the mouth against the side of the tank much like we rub our toe when we stub it," Sneddon says.

Besides, the old anglers' adage that fish feel no pain just doesn't add up from an evolutionary perspective. Pain is an efficient messenger that tells us that we've got a problem. An animal that can't feel it won't get that memo, even if hurts itself.

"If we accept fish experience pain, then this has important implications for how we treat them," Sneddon says. "Care should be taken when handling fish to avoid damaging their sensitive skin and they should be humanely caught and killed."

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Buzz of the Orient
1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

If I read enough of these articles I'm going to want to become a vegetarian. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    3 weeks ago
If I read enough of these articles I'm going to want to become a vegetarian. 

If you do, can I have your share of the 'Pork Fried Rice' and the 'Shrimp Egg Roll'?

Give them enough time, and 'scientists' will decide that plants feel pain.   

But this is classic:

"Care should be taken when handling fish to avoid damaging their sensitive skin and they should be humanely caught and killed."

Does that mean that I have to eat the scales on the 'skin' and I should give them a sleeping agent before cutting off the head?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    3 weeks ago

LOL.  Sure, I'll send them to you on a "slow boat FROM China", but the Iranians may detain the ship and by the time you get it.....well, I suggest you don't even open the package on the way to the garbage can.

I agree with you about the plants. In fact I was going to make that comment myself when I posted the article.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
but the Iranians may detain the ship and by the time you get it

I wouldn't need to worry about taking it to the garbage can.  The Iranians likely would have chowed down on the fried rice claiming they thought it was lamb.

I agree with you about the plants. In fact I was going to make that comment myself when I posted the article.

I'm showing my age, but I believe that years ago, (ok, decades ago) there were some 'scientists' that floated the theory that plants had feelings and did feel physical pain.   (It 'might' have been back in the LSD days!! LOL)

 
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.4  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

@ XDM

Maybe it was Maharishi  Mahesh Yogi.  Do you remember Transcendental Meditation (TM)?  I actually attended a lecture by the Maharishi when he was in Toronto.

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Buzz of the Orient
1.1.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

@ S.P.

That is a fascinating article.  You should post it on the Front Page.

Not only that, PLANTS CAN KILL!  What about the Venus Fly Trap, and......what about this?

1963-film-title-day-of-the-triffids-dire

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.5    3 weeks ago

The little shop of horrors, lol.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.4    3 weeks ago
Maybe it was Maharishi  Mahesh Yogi.  Do you remember Transcendental Meditation (TM)?  I actually attended a lecture by the Maharishi when he was in Toronto.
I never attended a ny lectures by him. But I actually took the course and learned to do TM.  
At the time is was a big fad-- I think because some celebrity or some music group had done TM. (Maybe the Beach Boys?). 
It was promoted as some sort of new thing, but actually all it was was the standard form of meditation that Hinduisim has used for centuries. (Maybe also Buddhist medisation as well-- I believe that's pretty much the same as Hindu meditation?). Basically, you keep repeating a mantra in order to "quiet your mind").

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.8  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.1.7    3 weeks ago

At the lecture he laughed a lot, and since I was assisted at the time with some mind-expanding substance, so did I - could hardly stop laughing.

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2  squiggy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    3 weeks ago

He's gonna be pissed.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  squiggy @1.2    3 weeks ago

@ squiggy

????

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    3 weeks ago

So stop reading these articles!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.3.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.3    3 weeks ago

Actually, although it's reputed that the Chinese eat a lot of pork, my wife is a great cook and I eat more vegetables here than ever before.  I do believe it's healthier.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.2  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.1    3 weeks ago
Actually, although it's reputed that the Chinese eat a lot of pork, my wife is a great cook and I eat more vegetables here than ever before.  I do believe it's healthier.

Ok-- but just make sure that when you kill the vegetables you catch (before cooking them)-- you kill them in a humane fashion!

P.S: You are correct-- there's a lot of research that indicates eating more veggies is healthier!

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    3 weeks ago

Vegetarian?

Actually if you keep reading these articles there will be nothing left to eat!

A number of studies have shown that plants feel pain, and vegetables are picked and often eaten while still alive. Animal rights activists are often in the news, but has anyone ever protested for vegetable rights? (LINK)

OMG-- that's horrible! 

Plants eaten while still alive? T hat's Cannabalism.

Heck-- its worse than Cannabalism.

(Where is PETA when you need them?)

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.4    3 weeks ago

And on a related note:

Do Plants Like Music?

Do plants have feelings? Can they hear sounds? Do they like music?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.4.1    3 weeks ago

Perhaps soon we will see online dating sites for people who are looking for a relationship with a plant?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4.3  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.4.2    3 weeks ago

I once knew a guy who was going steady with some sort of vine. 

But he broke it off because he said that she was "too clingy".

 
 
 
squiggy
1.4.4  squiggy  replied to  Krishna @1.4.3    3 weeks ago

She was poison.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.4.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.4.2    3 weeks ago
"Perhaps soon we will see online dating sites for people who are looking for a relationship with a plant?"

Prince Charles could be its sponsor.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    3 weeks ago

I'm thinking the article was probably written by one!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

It all  comes down to if there are pain receptors or not.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    3 weeks ago

Fish feel pleasure too..

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3    3 weeks ago

Should we pet and stroke fish like we do cats?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1    3 weeks ago

Should we pet and stroke fish like we do cats?

Probably can't hurt to do it occasionally-- but people shouldn't  do it on a large scale!

 
 
 
Enoch
4  Enoch    3 weeks ago

"Do fish feel pain"?

I would imagine so.

Particularly if their homes and mortgages are under water.

Do plants enjoy music?

Not sure about this one. 

Never seen a plant dance to a lively tune.

I do believe that poultry have feelings.

Some attend group therapy sessions.

Those attending are known as Kentucky Freud Chickens.

Yours in A Bucket.

Col. Harlan Enoch.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Enoch @4    3 weeks ago
Do plants enjoy music?

They are particularly fond of the reeds.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1    3 weeks ago

And the bass.

 
 
 
Enoch
4.1.2  Enoch  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1    3 weeks ago

Good one!

 
 
 
Enoch
4.1.3  Enoch  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Good one!

 
 
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