What Did Joe Biden Do Wrong?

  
By:  john-russell  •  3 weeks ago  •  68 comments

What Did Joe Biden Do Wrong?

I am creating this thread for the purpose of giving a place for Trump supporters and/or others to explain to us exactly what they think Joe Biden did in Ukraine that merits the president of the United States intervening , in an election season in which Biden is a contestant for Trump's job, and asking a foreign government to investigate Joe Biden. 

You would think the president could compile a viable case against Biden without dragging the president of Ukraine into it IF Biden had done anything wrong. 

Trump is in trouble now, by anybody's measure. He is likely to be impeached by the House.  It would seem that if he has reliable information about Biden's wrongdoing he would pile the relevant papers on his desk for a tv show like he did in the '16 campaign when he piled up papers for the camera that were supposed to represent the complexities of his tax returns.  So let's see Trump put his cards about Biden on the table. 

Of course that won't happen because Trump has no idea what Bidens supposed crimes are. Trump just saw something on tv that appealed to his sense of inner grievance and he decided that he wanted to make a "federal case" out of it. 

"Investigating" Biden in Ukraine would give Trump the campaign talking point that Biden must be guilty of something because even another country thinks Joe Biden is dirty. It is a blatant smear attempt. 

Why hasnt Biden been investigated in the U.S. in the 2 2/3 years Trump has been president? If he did something so heinous in Ukraine in 2016 that uncovering it is worth (to Trump)Trump being impeached, why didn't Trump have his Justice Dept.  or the U.S. Congress (Trump allies controlled both branches of Congress for the first two years of his presidency and could have held hearings on Biden any time they wanted) open probes of Biden's activities? 

The obvious answer is that Biden wasnt running for president in 2017 or 2018. And he wasnt leading Trump in all the head to head polls. 

So, Trump supporters, please justify Trump's call to Ukraine demanding they investigate Joe Biden. What are the FACTS that justify such a blatant intrusion into the 2020 election?  Is Biden smuggling briefcase nukes to ISIS?  Helping ANTIFA develop a new plague virus to dump in the nation's water system? Surely it must be something like that, right? 

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

If you know of evidence that Biden did something horrible in Ukraine, now would be the time to post it. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

The Obama administration (with support from Europe) directly meddled in the political affairs of a sovereign country.  And have bragged about doing so.  

It's not so much about right or wrong; all of this is about the double standards employed by Democrats.  Democrats have used their investigative authority in Congress to pursue political gain.  Democrats have been using threats of subpoena for the sole purpose of digging up political dirt.  The subpoenas have been very broad non-specific demands to scrutinize everything based upon innuendo, contrived circumstantial conspiracies, rumors, gossip, and media perjury traps.  Trump is only doing what House Democrats have been doing.

How dare Trump even try to investigate any Democrat based on innuendo, contrived conspiracy theories, rumors, gossip, and media perjury traps?  That's an abuse of Constitutional authority?  Really?  Isn't that what Democrats have been doing?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2    3 weeks ago

So , in your opinion, investigating Biden would be entirely "revenge" for some mistreatment Trump feels like he has suffered at the hands of his enemies? 

You do remember that Trump literally implored Russia to hack into an American citizens private emails (H Clinton) , dont you? 

And that was at a time when it was all over the news that Russia was strongly suspected of hacking the DNC and passing the DNC emails onto a third party for distribution. 

No one "witch hunted" Trump. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 weeks ago
You do remember that Trump literally implored Russia to hack into an American citizens private emails

You're still trying to push that bullshit line?  Come on JR, even you should know better.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Show me where he is "literally imploring" Russia, or anyone for that matter to hack into anything.  

Hell you yourself indicate that if anything, Russia already had them as Trump alluded to.  Or did you not say this immediately after your "literally imploring" line?

And that was at a time when it was all over the news that Russia was strongly suspected of hacking the DNC and passing the DNC emails onto a third party for distribution.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Show me where he is "literally imploring" Russia, or anyone for that matter to hack into anything. 

Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself. 

The context, at the time Trump made his statement, was that Russia was strongly suspected of hacking into the Democratic National Committee computers.  That fact was in fact the reason Trump commented on Russia that day at all. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 weeks ago
So , in your opinion, investigating Biden would be entirely "revenge" for some mistreatment Trump feels like he has suffered at the hands of his enemies? 

No, it's not about revenge.  That idea may appeal to Democrats' passive aggressive tendencies but the politics is actually more straightforward.  Democrats defending Biden also forces Democrats to defend Trump.  Conversely Democrats impeaching Trump also forces Democrats to impeach Biden.  That's how the politics of the situation are playing out.

You do remember that Trump literally implored Russia to hack into an American citizens private emails (H Clinton) , dont you? 

And you do remember that Clinton indicted Trump for collusion with Russia before Trump made that request, don't you?  Where do you think all of this came from?  Everything leads back to the Clinton campaign.  

Clinton alleged that the Trump campaign was directly involved in hacking the DNC and publicly disclosing the Clinton campaign's emails.  The whole affair concerning Russian hacking was about public disclosure causing political damage.  The content of the Clinton campaign's emails were politically damaging.  And Democrats have been attempting to use public disclosure to damage Trump as a rather obvious means of political revenge.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 weeks ago
The context,

Wow...   you chastise others when you can't provide what is asked for and then defend your own position with "THE CONTEXT".

So to quote you JR:

Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.1.5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

You are aware the Obama administration and Clinton campaign used British, Australian, Italian, Russia and the Ukranians to try to dismantle the Trump campaign?

It happened and it's cute the democrats now want to blame the very campaign they attempted to derail with foreign interference.

So why is this happening? Barr and co have been meeting with these countries to get to the bottom of the coup attempt and before the 2020 election you are going to have a huge fucking problem.

Time to bite your nails and sweat.....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

When Trump spoke about Russia finding Hillarys emails his comments were in the immediate context of Russia being accused of hacking the Democratic National Committee. 

If you cant see the relevance of that when evaluating Trump's ask of the Russians then I cant help you any further. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.1.7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.6    2 weeks ago

There is zero evidence the Russians hacked the DNC emails. Unsubstantiated bs.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.1.5    2 weeks ago

Hold onto your tinfoil hat. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.1.7    2 weeks ago

The Mueller indictments of the 12 Russians explain in great detail exactly how they did it. 

You live in an alternate reality created by years of taking Infowars and other conspiracy sites seriously. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.1.10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

John, your entire Russia Hoax fell to pieces and it's not obvious to you this is another attempt?

Evidently your foil is stronger.....lol

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.6    2 weeks ago
context

Still using that word when you can't provide specifics to support your bogus contention.

So once again JR, I must quote you:

Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

 
 
 
loki12
2.1.12  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    2 weeks ago

So why did Mueller tuck tail and run when the Russians showed up to defend themselves?

                              "You live in an alternate reality"

People who live in dung houses based on bullshit, shouldn't post bullshit.

Where is the case John? indictments aren't convictions, Surely you can link to where this trial is happening? or is this once again bullshit?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.13  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

One minute the news is that Russia may have hacked the DNC, and the next minute Trump is onstage suggesting the same be done to Hillarys personal emails, and you think the context of the time is not relevant? LOL. 

His comment was a direct result of the news that Russia was being accused of the DNC hack. 

There is nowhere else to go with this conversation. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.1.14  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.13    2 weeks ago

The DNC refused to let the servers be looked at by the FBI, how convenient. It was an inside job, zero evidence Russia hacked anything but the minds of democrats.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.15  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.13    2 weeks ago
His comment was a direct result of the news that Russia was being accused of the DNC hack. 

Why yes it was JR.  His comment was of an incident that had PURPORTEDLY PREVIOUSLY occurred per your own words.  Now, if something has already occurred, how can President Trump "implore" someone to do something that has already been accomplished?

I'll wait with baited breath to see your reply JR.   NOT!!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.16  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.1.14    2 weeks ago
 zero evidence Russia hacked anything but the minds of democrats.

Mueller is a Republican. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.17  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.15    2 weeks ago
His comment was of an incident that had PURPORTEDLY PREVIOUSLY occurred per your own words.

Huh?  Trump was suggesting a continuation of the activity.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.17    2 weeks ago
Huh?  Trump was suggesting a continuation of the activity.

WOW....   is that a guess or do you have actual evidence of that.   Oh, yeah, that's right...   CONTEXT.  Go it.

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loki12
2.1.19  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.17    2 weeks ago
Trump was suggesting a continuation of the activity.

On a server that had been in FBI custody for a year?  And had been wiped?  How fucking incompetent was Comey and the FBI that trumps suggestion could even be possible in your mind?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.20  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.18    2 weeks ago

News Report : RUSSIA SUSPECTED OF HACKING DNC EMAILS

Trump (immediately afterward) :  RUSSIA, IF YOU'RE LISTENING CAN YOU SEE IF YOU CAN FIND HILLARYS 33000 MISSING EMAILS

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And you dont see the context?  

Not my problem. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.1.21  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.20    2 weeks ago

And you can't see that it was a joke because it was impossible is not my problem. the server was locked, wiped. powered down and in a FBI evidence room.

Please John, in your deluded context how was it going to happen?  Please be specific?

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Nerm_L @2    2 weeks ago

You have it exactly right.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @2    2 weeks ago
The subpoenas have been very broad non-specific demands to scrutinize everything based upon innuendo, contrived circumstantial conspiracies, rumors, gossip, and media perjury traps.

That's rich coming from the right who fantasize about some elusive "deep state" and are demanding, with the threat of withholding military aide, that foreign governments investigate their political rivals with ZERO evidence of any wrongdoing. I have yet to hear anything concrete against the Biden's. All they have so far is Joe was VP and son worked for a company in Ukraine. All the "but Hunter was overpaid so it must have been something nefarious!" is pure conjecture.

As for the Obama administrations interactions with a FUCKING ALLY of the United States and member of the EU was exactly what a friend of western democracy should have done. We helped them in their effort to get rid of the piece of shit puppet Putin had installed for his own benefit and supported free and fair elections. We should be proud of that. Now we have a worthless shit stain in the oval office doing Putin's bidding by withholding funds from a country that is having to defend itself against Russian aggression and at the same time Trump and cronies are trying desperately to undermine the facts of Russia attacking our elections which everyone accept those with their heads firmly stuffed in Trumps voluminous ass know isn't in question.

Trump is only doing what House Democrats have been doing.

Bullshit justification. First, it's not at all what house democrats are doing, and second, trying to claim breaking the law is justified because you think someone else is doing the same is pure worthless smarmy shit logic from those with no spines of their own.

media perjury traps?

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WallyW
3  WallyW    3 weeks ago

Every aspect of creepy old Joe's life should be thoroughly investigated, both public and private

 
 
 
lady in black
3.1  lady in black  replied to  WallyW @3    3 weeks ago

Every aspect of Crooked donnie's entire life should be thoroughly investigated

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.1  WallyW  replied to  lady in black @3.1    3 weeks ago

It already has been....and will be....into perpetuity.  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

A lot of this, if not all of it, goes back to Trump's penchant for believing conspiracy theories. 

Not surprising from the guy who sent non existent detectives to Hawaii chasing a conspiracy theory that could have been disproved with a simple phone call to the governor's office. 

Trump has always been a loose cannon in terms of conspiracy theories and now he is trying to inflict his own personal disbeliefs of reality onto the rest of us. 

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago
A lot of this, if not all of it, goes back to Trump's penchant for believing conspiracy theories. 
It seems like lots of llbbies  have a penchant for believing conspiracy theories.
Like collusion and obstruction?   jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif
 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    2 weeks ago

Well let's see, Biden and Pelosi hooked their loser kids up with a Ukrainian job and they got paid Millions. Then Biden bragged about extorting the Ukrainians. Then Obama forced the Ukrainians to look for dirt on the Trump campaign.

Now the Idiots want to blame Trump of course.

A big LOL

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    2 weeks ago

Facts. ? 

Your rehashing of the right wings conspiracy takes is not what we are seeking here. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 weeks ago

It's been reported by the lefty sources over and over in the last year. They just are ignoring it now. LOL

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 weeks ago

Aren't you seeking truth here?

You can''t ignore inconvenient facts.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  WallyW @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

Guys,

Do you watch the news? The previous investigator in Ukraine says none of this happened. 

Watch from 6:00

 
 
 
dave-2693993
5.1.4  dave-2693993  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.3    2 weeks ago

Good point Perrie.

Here is a report from the BBC a couple days ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49800181

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Trump impeachment inquiry: The short, medium and long story
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The story centres around a call between Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky (L) and US President Donald Trump
You may have heard this one before - a controversy involving a foreign power could threaten the future of the Trump presidency.

Donald Trump is the subject of an impeachment inquiry over allegations that he improperly sought help from Ukraine to boost his chances of re-election.

But the story is fast-moving and complex. Let's break it down

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Mr Trump is accused of breaking the law by pressuring Ukraine's leader to dig up damaging information on a political rival.

In July, he urged his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate one of the frontrunners to take him on in next year's presidential election. This matters because it is illegal to ask foreign entities for help in winning a US election.

An impeachment inquiry that could see the president eventually removed from office is under way.

But there is a fierce debate about whether Mr Trump broke the law or committed an impeachable offence - he himself says he has done nothing wrong.

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At the heart of this story is a complaint from an unknown whistleblower.

In August, an anonymous intelligence official wrote a letter expressing concern over Mr Trump's 25 July call with the Ukrainian president.

They said they had an "urgent concern" that Mr Trump had used his office to "solicit interference from a foreign country" in the 2020 presidential election.

A rough transcript of the call   later revealed that Mr Trump had urged President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former US Vice-President Joe Biden, a frontrunner to take on Mr Trump in next year's election, as well as Mr Biden's son.

The call came shortly after Mr Trump had personally blocked releasing millions in military aid to Ukraine. His critics accuse him of using this aid as a bargaining tool, but the president denies this.

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Mr Trump and his supporters allege that Mr Biden abused his power to pressure Ukraine to back away from a criminal investigation that could implicate his son, Hunter, who worked for a Ukrainian energy company.

But these allegations have been widely discredited. There is no evidence that Mr Biden took any action to intentionally benefit his son, nor is there any evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden.

Congressional Democrats say the phone call is proof that Mr Trump broke the law by seeking foreign help to try and smear Mr Biden ahead of the election.

But there has been some debate over whether soliciting opposition research from a foreign government constitutes an impeachable offence. President Trump has dismissed the growing controversy as a "witch hunt".

Regardless, the July call is now at the centre of an effort by Democrats to expel Mr Trump from office. But for it to be successful, members of his own Republican party will have to turn against him.

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It was supposed to be the kind of call a president makes multiple times a year.

Mr Trump says he called his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky on 25 July to congratulate him on his recent election victory. Mr Zelensky, a former TV star with no political experience, was elected president in a landslide win in April.

But an anonymous whistleblower, reported to be a CIA official, felt there was something more serious in their exchange. They filed a formal complaint on 12 August explaining why they were so concerned.

In their letter, the whistleblower admitted that they did not directly witness the call but said accounts shared by other officials had painted a consistent picture.

For context, about a dozen people are reported to have listened in on the conversation, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

It's important to note that the call occurred days after Mr Trump blocked about $391m (£316m) in military aid to Ukraine. Democrats argue this aid was used as a bargaining chip to pressure the new government in Kiev, but Mr Trump denies this.

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The whistleblower's complaint alleges that the president used "the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country" in next year's presidential election (more on this later). They also alleged that White House officials had been "deeply disturbed" by the call and acted to "lock down" all details of it.

Amid the growing controversy, Mr Trump promised to release a "complete, fully declassified and unredacted transcript" he said would prove the call had been "totally appropriate".

But the details disclosed by the White House were notes of the conversation. It was not a full, verbatim, account and it did little to quell the spiralling controversy. The whisteblower's complaint was made public shortly after.

The transcript of the call showed that Mr Trump had urged Mr Zelensky to investigate discredited corruption allegations against former Vice-President Joe Biden, a 2020 Democratic frontrunner, as well as Mr Biden's son.

Mr Trump and his allies have been suggesting that Mr Biden, as Barack Obama's vice-president, encouraged the firing of Ukraine's top prosecutor in 2015 because he had been investigating an energy company which employed Hunter Biden.

At the time, by working closely with foreign-owned entities while his father was in the White House, Hunter Biden was criticised for leaving his father exposed to suggestions of a possible conflict of interest. But no evidence has emerged that Mr Biden took any action to intentionally benefit his son.

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Former President Barack Obama sits with former Vice-President Joe Biden and his son Hunter at a basketball game in 2010

The Ukrainian prosecutor who replaced the one who was fired told the BBC there was no reason for Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and that any corruption with the company happened before Hunter Biden joined.

Mr Trump has pointed to a boast Mr Biden made in 2018 about how as vice-president he had threatened to withhold a billion dollars in aid from Ukraine unless the prosecutor was fired.

But motivation is key here. Mr Biden wanted him removed precisely because he was failing to crack down on corruption. And the vice-president was not acting alone, but rather as the focal point of a wider anti-corruption drive in Ukraine backed by the US government, European allies and the International Monetary Fund.

Mr Trump pressing a foreign leader to investigate the discredited allegations against Mr Biden is significant. This is because Mr Biden is the current favourite to win the Democratic nomination and, if chosen, he would be the man facing off against Mr Trump for the presidency in November 2020.

As Mr Biden is his biggest rival for the presidency, it opens Mr Trump up to claims he was working with a foreign power to influence the election. This - crucially - is against the law.

This is not the first time Mr Trump has been scrutinised over his foreign connections. His 2016 election campaign was investigated over its alleged ties to Russia. The inquiry did not establish a criminal conspiracy to influence the election, but it also did not exonerate the president.

The Democrats have launched a formal impeachment inquiry and have spared no time in getting to work. House Democrats demanded that five department officials - including the former US ambassador to Ukraine - appear for depositions in October.

The president's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, was subpoenaed for documents relating to Ukraine. Mr Giuliani has been central in pushing the allegations against the Bidens. Secretary Pompeo was also served with a subpoena.

So how does the impeachment process work?

Impeachment is the first part - the charges - of a two-stage political process by which Congress can remove a president from office. If the House votes to pass articles of impeachment, the Senate is forced to hold a trial.

A Senate vote requires a two-thirds majority to convict. As it stands, this is unlikely given that Mr Trump's party controls the chamber. Unlikely, but not impossible.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  dave-2693993 @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

Dave,

Actually I wasn't for impeachment till last week. Now with all the finger-pointing, we may as well get to the bottom of this. Ultimately I think all will be cleared, or at least not impeached, but on the other hand, the getting other nations involved with our government's issues is unhealthy. I doubt much more will come out of this.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.1.6  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

I'm still holding on to Russian collusion. Foil transponders engage! I'm picking up Ukrainian transmissions!

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

According to Ukrainian investigators... no Biden, no Trump. A big nothing burger. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
5.1.8  dave-2693993  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.6    2 weeks ago
I'm picking up Ukrainian transmissions!

Me too and I love them.

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†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.1.9  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.7    2 weeks ago

Biden got his crack smoking hooker banging loser son a job he wasn't qualified for. Then he extorted the Ukraine to fire the prosecutor looking into it.

It's never good to be the only one, Nancy's loser kid got a job there too.

Massive corruption the likes of which we've never seen before. 

It's over for gropy joe, out to the pasture for him.

Get behind the Beto! He makes a mean hamburger on the stove top with Kale on an English muffin. Who doesn't love a mini van driving beta male?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
5.1.10  dave-2693993  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.5    2 weeks ago
we may as well get to the bottom of this.

Absolutely.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.9    2 weeks ago

Do you think if you keep repeating that, it will be true?

The Ukraine gov investigator says no. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  dave-2693993 @5.1.8    2 weeks ago

I can see why!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.13  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.5    2 weeks ago
Ultimately I think all will be cleared

The only way Trump will be cleared is if everyone forgets they ever saw that transcript. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
5.1.14  dave-2693993  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.12    2 weeks ago

Thank you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.15  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.9    2 weeks ago

Your "stable genius " president called for Mitt Romney to be  (ta da!) impeached.

Claiming without evidence that voters in Utah are turning on their senator, Trump claimed, I’m hearing that the Great People of Utah are considering their vote for their Pompous Senator, Mitt Romney, to be a big mistake. I agree! He is a fool who is playing right into the hands of the Do Nothing Democrats!” followed by:  #IMPEACHMITTROMNEY

lol. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.16  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.15    2 weeks ago

It must be a constant irritation to know that you support a moron to be president of the United States.  I can't even imagine how that must feel. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.17  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.9    2 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
5.1.18  al Jizzerror  replied to  dave-2693993 @5.1.4    2 weeks ago
The Ukrainian prosecutor who replaced the one who was fired told the BBC there was no reason for Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and that any corruption with the company happened before Hunter Biden joined.

Mr Trump has pointed to a boast Mr Biden made in 2018 about how as vice-president he had threatened to withhold a billion dollars in aid from Ukraine unless the prosecutor was fired.

But motivation is key here. Mr Biden wanted him removed precisely because he was failing to crack down on corruption. And the vice-president was not acting alone, but rather as the focal point of a wider anti-corruption drive in Ukraine backed by the US government, European allies and the International Monetary Fund.

Dave when you post accurate facts, the White-wingers just call it "fake news" and continue to post "Alt-facts" (also known as lies).

 
 
 
dave-2693993
5.1.19  dave-2693993  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.1.18    2 weeks ago

Hmmm? Every time I gave an alternative fact as an answer in school, it was always marked wrong...

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2  r.t..b...  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    2 weeks ago
their loser kids

Tough making accusations against foes in this regard. Privilege = Advantage.

 
 
 
PJ
6  PJ    2 weeks ago

He served as VP to a black man. 

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1  bugsy  replied to  PJ @6    2 weeks ago
He served as VP to a black man.

So?

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    2 weeks ago
explain to us exactly what they think Joe Biden did in Ukraine that merits the president of the United States intervening

It may be nothing or it may have been something. At minimum, though, we are talking about action taken by the Vice President in his official capacity as Vice President. We're not talking about some secret personal affair, private banking, or social connections - the kind of stuff we commonly refer to as "dirt."

No, we are talking about something that - right or wrong - is 100% subject to public scrutiny because Biden was an elected official acting as an elected official. The people have a right to know whether or not he did his job in a way that was corrupt.

This is how "conflict of interest" and corruption cases work. If you see something that looks bad or shows even the appearance of a possible conflict, it gets investigated. This happens all the time. Heck, it's been happening to Trump since before he was elected. Here, it appears that Biden may have used his influence as Vice President to benefit his son professionally and/or criminally. We know Hunter was making a lot of money doing something for which he apparently had zero qualifications and we know that Joe got a high ranking foreign official fired.

I can't imagine Trump getting someone like that fired in another country - no matter the reason - and it not becoming a huge scandal.

So, I have no problem with Biden's actions being investigated and neither should you.

I do think the normal course of such an investigation would start in DOJ or Congress, and if it didn't, I wouldn't have a problem with the president prompting DOJ to investigate. Here, the president indicated that he intended to involve the Attorney General at some point. That's a step in the right direction, at least.

Where this gets weird is the president leading with his personal attorney. Personally, I don't think Rudy Giuliani should be involved at all, but I don't see how doing so is grounds for impeachment of the president. It might be outside the normal bounds of protocol, but it hardly qualifies as "high crimes and misdemeanors." Trump was elected, in part, because people understood he would probably ignore protocol a lot. Nevertheless, I think if Giuliani is going to be dealing with foreign governments, he should be accountable to Congress in some way.

As to involving the Ukrainian president, I think that's reasonable. What Biden did, by his own admission, was a diplomatic event, and so having Trump pursue the matter diplomatically is justified. In fact, it strikes me as just good manners to be talking to the Ukrainian president before investigating something in his country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 weeks ago

All those words and you forgot to mention that Biden is Trump's election opponent, running for the exact same office Trump is, and leads Trump in all head to head matchups. 

You forgot the most relevant facts of all. 

The president of the United States misused the power of his office to seek discrediting information about his election opponent from a foreign country. 

Which is why he is being impeached. 

 
 
 
PJ
7.1.1  PJ  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    2 weeks ago

They seem to be allergic to the truth and to facts. 

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.2  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    2 weeks ago

I thought it was Russia collusion or maybe his tweets now its misusing his power what will next week's reason be.

 
 
 
bugsy
7.1.3  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    2 weeks ago

So because Biden was the sitting Vice President when the alleged quid pro quo of Biden for his son went down, and now Biden is the "primary" opponent of Trump (I bet there are 18 other candidates that think otherwise), that makes him off limits for investigations into corruption, but Trump is open to impeachment because he is the current sitting President? That's cray cray lib talk.

So, by that logic, there should have never been a Mueller investigation because Trump and Hillary were major opponents when Hillary paid a foreign agent to dig up dirt against Trump to help her campaign. That fake dossier was the basis for the Mueller investigation.

One of the things that makes me laugh about the current democratic clown bus is that some of them are saying they do not need to be making comments about a fellow democratic contender, but I can guarantee that if the primary boils down to Biden and one of those that make that type of comment, the other will certainly bring up Biden's Ukraine past. They won't be able to help it.

Difference between Trump and Biden? Biden is on camera saying he threatened the Ukrainian President with US funds unless he fired the prosecutor for looking into the energy company that "coincidentally' had Hunter Biden on their committee.

There is no proof of Trump offering anything for anything from any foreign leader.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @7.1.3    2 weeks ago
Biden is on camera saying he threatened the Ukrainian President with US funds unless he fired the prosecutor for looking into the energy company that "coincidentally' had Hunter Biden on their committee.

I dont suppose it bothers you, but that statement is completely false. 

 
 
 
bugsy
7.1.5  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.4    2 weeks ago
but that statement is completely false. 

How so, John?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

Go ahead and tell us how you see the context of his brag.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    2 weeks ago
Biden is Trump's election opponent, running for the exact same office Trump is, and leads Trump in all head to head matchups

Sure it does, and I have no problem examining what Trump has been doing. Still, Biden should not be immune from investigation simply because he wants to run for office.

The president of the United States misused the power of his office to seek discrediting information about his election opponent from a foreign country.

Or: The president of the United States used the power of his office as only he could to seek truthful discrediting information about his election opponent from a foreign country where his alleged misdeeds as a civil servant took place and the leadership there would be in the best position to help with the investigation.

Which is why it's too early to say if he should be impeached.

And anyway, he isn't being impeached yet because the House has not voted to initiate formal impeachment proceedings. Like they have been doing for almost three years, they dance around and act like they are impeaching him, but they really aren't.

 
 
 
pat wilson
7.1.7  pat wilson  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.6    2 weeks ago
Or: The president of the United States used the power of his office as only he could to seek truthful discrediting information about his election opponent from a foreign country where his alleged misdeeds as a civil servant took place and the leadership there would be in the best position to help with the investigation.

You could teach a stretch class.

Seriously, you give trump credit for giving a shit about the rule of law ? Beyond ridiculous.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    2 weeks ago

When ever I am feeling sad I go to my Russia collusion alter with my pink crotch hat on and light my Hillary candle then I put on my Ukraine plastic glove and touch myself.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8    2 weeks ago

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Tacos!
8.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    2 weeks ago
While we figure out how to blame this on Obama . . .

. . . who will then figure out a way to blame it on Bush.

 
 
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