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Trump’s mental state is deteriorating dangerously due to impeachment with potentially ‘catastrophic outcomes’, psychiatrists urgently warn Congress

  

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Via:  krishna  •  6 years ago  •  74 comments

Trump’s mental state is deteriorating dangerously due to impeachment with potentially ‘catastrophic outcomes’, psychiatrists urgently warn Congress
The statement warns that “[f]ailing to monitor or to understand the psychological aspects [of impeachment on Mr Trump], or discounting them, could lead to catastrophic outcomes.”

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A group of mental health professionals led by a trio of pre-eminent psychiatrists is urging the House Judiciary Committee to consider  Donald Trump ‘s “dangerous” mental state arising from his “brittle sense of self-worth” as part of its inquiry into whether to approve articles of  impeachment  against him.

“We are speaking out at this time because we are convinced that, as the time of possible impeachment approaches, Donald Trump has the real potential to become ever more dangerous, a threat to the safety of our nation,” said Yale Medical School Professor Dr Bandy Lee, George Washington University Professor Dr John Zinner, and former CIA profiler Dr Jerrold Post in a statement which will be sent to House Judiciary Committee members on Thursday.

The statement will be accompanied by a petition with at least 350 signatures from mental health professionals endorsing their conclusions.


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Krishna
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1  seeder  Krishna    6 years ago

The statement will be accompanied by a petition with at least 350 signatures from mental health professionals endorsing their conclusions.

All three psychiatrists have said they are willing to testify as part of the impeachment inquiry.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2  seeder  Krishna    6 years ago

The statement warns that “[f]ailing to monitor or to understand the psychological aspects [of impeachment on Mr Trump], or discounting them, could lead to catastrophic outcomes.”

“I believe that they fit the pattern of delusions rather than just plain lies,” she continued, pointing to the claim he made during a meeting with Jens Stolenberg, Nato’s secretary-general, that “many legal scholars” were “looking at the transcripts” of his 25 July phone call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy and agreeing with his description of the call as “absolutely perfect” as an example of his pathology.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Krishna @2    6 years ago

“I believe that they fit the pattern of delusions rather than just plain lies,” she continued, pointing to the claim he made during a meeting with Jens Stolenberg, Nato’s secretary-general, that “many legal scholars” were “looking at the transcripts” of his 25 July phone call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy and agreeing with his description of the call as “absolutely perfect” as an example of his pathology.

a LIAR, who believes his own lies, while creating his own Truth, in an artificial REALITY

TV shooting star  on 5th avenue, because she was a Sally, and exhonerated by his following

himto nowhere fast, the break must be, before brunch

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @2    6 years ago

What is the idea of the [  ]'s?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2    6 years ago

failing  vs ailing

 
 
 
bugsy
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4  bugsy    6 years ago

I'm curious as to when this "group of mental health professionals led by a trio of pre-eminent psychiatrists" personally interviewed the President and what standard tests were given for them to come to their conclusion?

If they never interviewed the President, then they are being unethical in their "diagnosis".

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @4    6 years ago

Trump proves everyday his "unethical" "diagnosis"

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.1  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1    6 years ago
Trump proves everyday his "unethical" "diagnosis"

Well, that was a non answer but from you, expected. Actually, I am surprised I could even decipher your post.

Good job. You're getting better.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  bugsy @4    6 years ago

As well as defying doctor/patient confidentiality 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2    6 years ago

he knows more than the doctors silly, their opinions need not matter

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.2.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.2    6 years ago

The only difference is, people such as yourself seem to think that their opinions are more valid just because it reinforces a vision you share of who or what you think Trump is.

so i should take your opinion, cause yours, certainly WOULDN"T "reinforce a vision you share of who or what you think Trump is.", now would it ?

See how that works there Sew Crates....

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.2.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.2    6 years ago

The only difference is, people such as yourself seem to think that their opinions are more valid just because it reinforces a vision you share of who or what you think Trump is.

so i should take your opinion, cause yours, certainly WOULDN"T "reinforce a vision you share of who or what you think Trump is.", now would it ?

See how that works there Sew Crates....

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.2.5  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.2    6 years ago
Their opinions are no more valid than yours or mine.

I'd say medical doctors opinions on health related matters are far more valid than a layman's opinion.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Gordy327 @4.2.5    6 years ago

I'd say medical doctors opinions on health related matters are far more valid than a layman's opinion.

i've never layed with a layman, but when Trump has, and knows more about everything than anyone, who are us just mere mortals to question him, and his knowledge of laying with laymen

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.2.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.8    6 years ago
I didn't voice an opinion on Trump's mental health.

so in your opinion, he's just a "stable Genius" i guess ?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.2.10  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.7    6 years ago
One CAN say all sorts of things without them being true or valid.

A medical professional has more expertise and credibility when offering medical opinions than someone who is not a medical professional.

A real professional would not risk his reputation by diagnosing a patient they have never seen, or a case file to even look at.

A medical professional can be consulted by another medical professional to look at a case file or study and render an opinion based on the information presented. That is not the same as an actual medical diagnosis.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.2.13  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.11    6 years ago

I really can't stop you from making any of your bizarre guesses.

guess not

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.2.14  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.12    6 years ago
I agree--when the doctor has actually seen the patient or his files from a medical professional.

Again, a doctor can examine a case file and formulate an opinion on what's presented. A psychiatrist can observe someone and formulate an opinion on a diagnosis or condition based on what's observed. But that is not an actual definitive diagnosis. 

But, even YOU note that he has looked at medical files, studies, or history of the patient.

I don't know whom has looked at what. One can look at all those things and come up with an opinion. But it the actual practitioner that comes up with an actual diagnosis. The practitioner can certainly consult with other professionals to solicit their thoughts and opinions on a patient's condition, or even intervene if necessary.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.2.16  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.15    6 years ago
Clearly not the case here. No self-respecting doctor would make public a diagnosis of his patient without patient permission.

Sounds like they're rendering a medical opinion, rather than an actual medical diagnosis. If it were an actual diagnosis, then it would be a professional ethics violation to publicly disclose such information without permission.

 I don't see where any attending physician has sought out this "diagnosis" from people who have looked at no medical files, or interviewed or examined the patient.

Unless such examination and diagnosis has not been released, assuming one has been performed. If so, there is no ethics breach.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.17  Tacos!  replied to  Gordy327 @4.2.16    6 years ago
Sounds like they're rendering a medical opinion, rather than an actual medical diagnosis. If it were an actual diagnosis, then it would be a professional ethics violation to publicly disclose such information without permission.

The fact of it being an opinion doesn’t help. It’s still unethical, and that’s official. The American Psychiatric Association calls it “The Goldwater Rule” because that is the candidate who prompted the ethics rule. Turns out people have been pulling this crap for a long time.

Text of APA’s Ethics Annotation Known as ‘Goldwater Rule’

7. 3. On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.
 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.2.19  Gordy327  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.17    6 years ago

Thanks for that.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.20  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.18    6 years ago
I dare say that most ethical doctors wouldn't engage in such nonsense.

Of course not. And most obviously aren’t engaging in it here. This group might be led by three doctors, but the rest of it is unclear.

The statement will be accompanied by a petition with at least 350 signatures from mental health professionals endorsing their conclusions.

So, what’s a “mental health professional?” Does that include the doctor’s receptionist? His bookkeeper? Maybe a guy who delivers psych textbooks? It could mean anything. There are many thousands of “mental health professionals” in this country.

This story is like those ones where they find five guys on Twitter and use that as the foundation for “Americans are saying . . . “ as if this handful of people actually speak for anyone.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.21  MrFrost  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2    6 years ago

As well as defying doctor/patient confidentiality 

Did you know those people own televisions and trump loves nothing more than being on it. There is nothing that says they cannot express their professional opinions regarding trump's mental state. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.22  MrFrost  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.20    6 years ago
So, what’s a “mental health professional?” Does that include the doctor’s receptionist? His bookkeeper?

If there were only 350 mental health professionals in the entire country, I would say you have a valid point, but....since there are a LOT more than that, it looks to me like you are moving the goalposts. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.23  Tacos!  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.22    6 years ago

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean.

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.3  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @4    6 years ago

Pretty sure one doesn't need an advanced degree in psychology to accurately diagnose Trump's mental disorders. Spent many years as a bouncer and a paramedic. As a result, I know crazy when I see it. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5  Tacos!    6 years ago

I see we're back to destroying the ethics of professional psychiatry.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @5    6 years ago

crazy,   know ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    6 years ago

We have many people here who think it perfectly fine for the president of the United States to lie 13,000 times. 

Throw a net over the lot of them. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

If his supposed insanity goes so far that he might push the button to turn China into a glass parking lot please warn me so I can immediately fly to New Zealand or South Africa or somewhere else, but not Canada, because the radiation and fallout from the American glass parking lot will drift there with the prevailing south-westerly winds.

 
 
 
JBB
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8  JBB    6 years ago

Trump is falling apart faster than a 1984 Yugo...

 
 

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