What is the 'boogaloo'? How online calls for a violent uprising are hitting the mainstream

  

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Via:  perrie-halpern  •  7 months ago  •  72 comments

By:   Brandy Zadrozny

What is the 'boogaloo'? How online calls for a violent uprising are hitting the mainstream
The movement says it wants a second Civil War targeting liberal political opponents and law enforcement.

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An anti-government movement that advocates for a violent uprising targeting liberal political opponents and law enforcement has moved from the fringes of the internet into the mainstream and surged on social media in recent months, according to a group of researchers that tracks hate groups.

The movement, which says it wants a second Civil War organized around the term "boogaloo," includes groups on mainstream internet platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Reddit, as well as fringe websites including 4chan, according to   a report released Tuesday night   by the Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), an independent nonprofit of scientists and engineers that tracks and reports on misinformation and hate speech across social media.


While calls for organized and targeted violence in the form of a new Civil War have previously circulated among some hate groups, the emergence of the term "boogaloo" appeared to be a new and discrete movement. NCRI researchers who analyzed more than 100 million social media posts and comments found that through the use of memes — inside jokes commonly in the form of images — extremists have pushed anti-government and anti-law enforcement messages across social media platforms. They have also organized online communities with tens of thousands of members, some of whom have assembled at real-world events.

The report "represents a breakthrough case study in the capacity to identify cyber swarms and viral insurgencies in nearly real time as they are developing in plain sight," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who is director of the Miller Center for Community Protection and Resilience at Rutgers University, wrote in the report's foreword.

200219-us-civil-war-mc-1302_ae31e1fc53ec A patch with the image of an armed Pepe the Frog is worn during a rally organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League on Capitol Square near the state Capitol building in Richmond, Virginia, on Jan. 20, 2020. Chip Somodevilla / Getty Images file

The report comes as U.S. law enforcement officials and researchers at various levels have   issued   warnings   about the   growing threat   posed by domestic extremists motivated by fringe ideologies and conspiracy theories. NCRI director Joel Finkelstein, a research scholar at the James Madison Program at Princeton University, said the report had been sent to members of Congress and the departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Justice, among others.

Paul Goldenberg, a member of the   Homeland Security Advisory Council , said the report was "a wake-up call."

"When you have people talking about and planning sedition and violence against minorities, police and public officials, we need to take their words seriously," said Goldenberg, who is also CEO of the security consulting company Cardinal Point Strategies.

Goldenberg said the report had "gone viral" within law enforcement and intelligence communities since its limited release last week. People are reading it and distributing it "far and wide," he said.

The current boogaloo movement was first noticed by extremism researchers   in 2019 , when fringe groups from gun rights and militia movements to white supremacists began referring to an impending civil war using the word "boogaloo," a joking reference to "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo," a   1984 sequel movie   about breakdancing.

The term is used to describe an uprising against a seemingly tyrannical or left-wing government, often in response to a perceived threat of widespread gun confiscation. For many, the word "boogaloo" — silly on its face — is used jokingly or ironically, but for others, the boogaloo memes are shared alongside violent text and images, seemingly to inflame an eventual confrontation.

In the last three months, boogaloo-related conversation has grown rapidly, according to the researchers, who found that use of the term has increased nearly 50 percent on platforms like Reddit and Twitter over the last few months. Increased exposure, the researchers warn, carries the danger of indoctrination.

Boogaloo extremists have used social media to "strategize, share instructions for explosives and 3-D printed firearms, distribute illegal firearm modifications, and siphon users into encrypted messaging boards en mass," according to the NCRI report. The report also notes how the boogaloo concept has been monetized, through merchandise advertised through Facebook and Instagram ads, and marketed to current and former members of the military.

On Facebook and Instagram, the researchers pointed to several boogaloo-themed public groups and accounts with tens of thousands of members and followers.

A spokesperson for Facebook said in an emailed statement that the company monitored groups that called for violence.

"We've been studying trends around this and related terms on Facebook and Instagram," the spokesperson said. "We don't allow speech used to incite hate or violence, and will remove any content that violates our policies. We'll continue to monitor this across our platform."

Since NCRI generated the report last week, membership in several boogaloo groups on Facebook has nearly doubled, according to an NBC News analysis. Two of Facebook's most popular boogaloo groups, which boasted nearly 20,000 followers during the same period, are no longer available this week.

Much like the   OK hand symbol   co-opted by white nationalists who later denied the association, the ambiguity of the term "boogaloo" works to cloak extremist organizing in the open.

"Like a virus hiding from the immune system, the use of comical-meme language permits the network to organize violence secretly behind a mirage of inside jokes and plausible deniability," the report states.

The term "boogaloo" has also been seen in real-world activism. At the Virginia Citizens Defense League's annual Lobby Day in Richmond in January, a group of protesters who go by the name Patriot Wave wore   Pepe the Frog patches   emblazoned with "Boogaloo Boys." One man carried a sign that read, "I have a dream of a Boogaloo." The rally was held on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

NCRI was able to trace the origin of the use of the term "boogaloo" to 4chan's politics-focused message board, where racist and hateful memes often get their start. "Boogaloo" was often associated with apocalyptic and racist terms like "racewar" and "dotr," a white power fantasy that imagines a time when "race traitors" will be murdered.

The report tracked events when online chatter about an impending boogaloo spiked. The analysis found a peak during a   November standoff   in upstate New York between an Army veteran and police over a domestic dispute. The veteran, Alex Booth, chronicled the standoff on his pro-gun Instagram account, "Whiskey Warrior 556," claiming to followers that his guns were being confiscated. The incident made the boogaloo meme go viral and gained Booth over 100,000 followers.

The second boogaloo meme peak appeared around the House's impeachment of President Donald Trump, the report found.


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Ed-NavDoc
1  Ed-NavDoc    7 months ago

A nut is still nut, no matter what their ideology! These people are definitely mentally ill... 

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1    7 months ago

Might I add, that, in addition, to the "mentally ill" issue, that these deadbeats psychopaths are angry, heavily armed, openly anti-liberal, and, a  "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER" to OUR democracy, in part, due largely to the nearly insane, Republican Supported New Gun policies, that stupidly, included idiotic laws, such as, as the OPEN CARRY concept?



 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1    7 months ago

So is it safe to assume that you are including the honest, law abiding, and safety minded responsible gun owners in your above statement? Or is that a non sequitur to you?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.1.2  gooseisgone  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1    7 months ago

Oh...……..I see, you think idiots only exist on the right, hate to burst your bubble.

https://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/07/31/police-clinton-supporter-lights-flag-on-fire-attacks-trump-supporter/
https://twitter.com/reneejon/status/766851862876135424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fbig-government%2F2016%2F08%2F20%2Fleftist-activists-crash-trump-fundraiser-attack-motorcade-assault-trump-supporters-in-violent-gauntlet%2F
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/03/ugly-bloody-scenes-in-san-jose-as-protesters-attack-trump-supporters-outside-rally/
https://twitter.com/EmmaSapong/status/766842669733597184
https://dailycaller.com/2016/08/18/tennessee-man-attacked-at-garage-sale-for-being-trump-supporter/
https://nj1015.com/trump-supporter-in-nj-attacked-with-crowbar-on-street-police-say/
https://heavy.com/news/2016/09/el-cajon-protesters-donald-trump-supporter-beaten-beat-attacked-chased-video-bottles-colin-kaepernick-you-tube-periscope/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/politics/north-carolina-gop-office-vandalized/index.html
https://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/shooting-at-gop-baseball-practice-latest-in-pattern-of-violence-against-republicans/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/student-wearing-trump-hat-arguing-with-protesters-is-punched-kicked-to-ground/20
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3927716/Female-anti-bullying-ambassador-23-arrested-Trump-Tower-protest-pushing-man-74-ground-fight-new-President-elect.html
https://dailycaller.com/2016/11/10/hillary-supporters-assault-white-trump-supporter-video/
https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-trump-supporter-beaten-dragged-car-frank-camp
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2746341/shocking-moment-donald-trump-supporter-is-knocked-unconscious-and-taunted-by-muslim-ban-protesters-at-portland-airport/
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2017/01/protesters_block_streets_attac.htm
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article134293454.html
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/15/rohrabacher-staffer-71-knocked-unconscious-by-group-delivering-valentines-day-cards/
https://dailycaller.com/2017/02/01/inferno-milo-speech-cancelled-after-rioters-set-campus-ablaze/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/us/middlebury-college-charles-murray-bell-curve.html?_r=0&mtrref=undefined&gwh=C343AAE3E0A357BEFC8167A2621B4990&gwt=pay
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/tom-garrett-death-threats-23821
https://tucson.com/fbi-arrests-tucson-man-over-threats-to-u-s-rep/article_1d75df18-39ad-11e7-92b0-e3222b817bbb.html
https://wreg.com/news/police-woman-followed-then-threatened-congressman-david-kustoff/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/north-dakota/articles/2017-05-11/2-ejected-when-cramer-town-hall-turns-rowdy-but-no-arrests
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/05/24/berkeley-college-professor-arrested-as-assault-suspect/
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/14/multiple-shootings-reported-near-congressional-baseball-game-practice-field-report.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/216-new-york-rep-threatened-shooting-article-1.3247736
https://fox59.com/news/crimetracker/several-shots-fired-at-truck-carrying-make-america-great-again-flag-on-i-465/
https://www.dailywire.com/news/timeline-antifa-violence-january-–-august-2017-frank-camp
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/4-in-custody-after-mentally-disabled-man-tied-up-tortured-on-facebook-live
https://dailycaller.com/2018/03/16/dc-capitol-police-american-bridge/
https://dailycaller.com/2018/06/25/decapitated-animal-left-on-front-porch-of-dhs-officials-home/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6039385/Democrat-drives-mans-house-shoots-heated-political-disagreement-Facebook.html
https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/06/man-arrested-lee-zeldin-kill/
https://dailycaller.com/2018/06/29/man-arrested-threatening-ajit-pai/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-threatens-massive-anti-cop-demonstration-in-new-york-protesting-subway-fares-police-presence
https://www.foxnews.com/media/antifa-attack-portland-sentenced-halloween-home
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-linked-defendant-gets-6-years-in-brutal-baton-attack-in-portland-reports
https://www.foxnews.com/media/antifa-members-harass-portland-police-climate-rally
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifascist-oregon-bar-owner-allowed-patrons-to-use-illegal-weapons-against-conservative-activists-during-may-clash-investigation
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1    7 months ago

I take it they didn't derive their name from the movie.

256

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086999/

Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo (1984)

Hey this is on my Amazon Prime.....

 
 
 
squiggy
2  squiggy    7 months ago

“Whiskey Warrior 556“

There it is.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
2.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  squiggy @2    7 months ago

You know that Whiskey and Warrior is not a good combination.

 
 
 
MUVA
3  MUVA    7 months ago

They are supplying a reason for hate sounds like leftist propaganda. 

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
3.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  MUVA @3    7 months ago

Why is it that the short-tempered, angry, hate-filled Right-Wing Militants always blame LIBERALS for their murderous impulses?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @3.1    7 months ago

That's what I wanna know.

I do say if these bastards keep up the shit show...we're all going to lose our liberties.

 
 
 
user image
3.1.2    replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @3.1    7 months ago

The same reason broke, deadbeat, debt ridden left wing militants blame CONSERVATIVES for all of their problems. Because it's easy.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.3  MUVA  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @3.1    7 months ago

This is on the level as people that claim there is rampant voter fraud it is red meat for useful Idiots.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  @3.1.2    7 months ago
broke, deadbeat, debt ridden left wing militants

I've never seen any of those, but if you change that to "right wing" then yeah, we've seen them marching with their tiki torches, swastikas and confederate flags.

These bigots described above use "comical-meme language" that "permits the network to organize violence secretly behind a mirage of inside jokes and plausible deniability", but it's only a joke till they pull the trigger. The facts show right wing extremism kills. I don't condone any on the left who choose to use violence or vandalism, but they are far fewer in number than right wing extremists and as of yet, the left wing extremists haven't killed anyone in the last few decades. Sure, we still get sniveling right wing nut jobs whining about some "leftist" groups back in the 1960's or 1970's but they have nothing to do with the liberals and progressives of today who vociferously denounce any use of violence.

"From 2009 through 2018, the far right has been responsible for 73% of domestic extremist-related fatalities" "More people–49–were murdered by far-right extremists in the U.S. last year than in any other year since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995".

https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/

These "Boogaloo" bigots wanting to start a civil war are the underbelly of the whole white nationalist movement and unless we stand up and denounce them, we will share the blame for the blood that is already on their hands.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemoller

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.1    7 months ago

There is plenty of craziness and hatred on both sides. It is not something confined to just one ideology or specteum, no matter how much some would like to think otherwise.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.6  Dulay  replied to  MUVA @3.1.3    7 months ago
This is on the level as people that claim there is rampant voter fraud it is red meat for useful Idiots.

Like Trump and his 'deplorables' whined about voter fraud even after they won and then Trump set up a commission prove just how wrong he was. 

 
 
 
user image
3.1.7    replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.4    7 months ago

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.1.8  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @3.1    7 months ago

It’s all very elementary if you understand Newton’s Third.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.5    7 months ago

But is it the left wing crazies that want to start Civil War 2?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.9    7 months ago

I did not and will not say either way except to point out that those idiots described aboved are obviously a very small lunatic fringe minority and are in no way representative of majority conservative and/or GOP ideology. As I have already stated, there is plenty of craziness on both sides to go around.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.10    7 months ago

But you only condemn the left crazies never the right crazies that I've seen or when you do condemn the right crazies you are sure to say "it's both sides"

 
 
 
user image
3.1.12    replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.9    7 months ago

Is it right wing crazies who have "thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house"? Get your head out of the sand. Ed-NavDoc is trying to be bipartisan. You should give it a try.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  @3.1.12    7 months ago

My head is way out of the sand, thankuverymuch. And don't tell me what to do

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.11    7 months ago

I'm sorry, but I guess you have not seen other posts where I do condemn the far right extremists alone. Do you dispute that what I said about extremists both sides is true? You cannot condemn one without the other. You have a good day.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.14    7 months ago

No, Ed, I haven't because I don't venture into certain groups or certain people's seeds so I don't see everything you post.

Yes, there are extremists on both sides, I agree with that.

Have a good day, yourself.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.16  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.9    7 months ago

Considering the fire power our military and LE agencies have, these idiots will be bringing a knife to a gun fight.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.16    7 months ago

LOL!

Yeah, nothing like staring down an M-60 with a .22 rifle....

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.17    7 months ago

For some reason that made me think of Lynyrd Skynyrd and one of their songs, Give Me Three Steps

I was cutting the rug
Down at place called The Jug
With a girl named Linda Lou
When in walked a man
With a gun in his hand
And he was looking for you know who
He said, "Hey there, fellow
With the hair colored yellow
Whatcha tryin' to prove?
'Cause that's my woman there
And I'm a man who cares
And this might be all for you
I said, excuse me
I was scared and fearing for my life
I was shaking like a leaf on a tree
'Cause he was lean, mean
Big and bad, Lord
Pointin' that gun on me
"Oh, wait a minute, mister
I didn't even kiss her
Don't want no trouble with you
And I know you don't owe me
But I wish you'd let me
Ask one favor from you"
"Oh, won't you
Gimme three steps, gimme three steps, mister
Gimme three steps toward the door?
Gimme three steps, gimme three steps,
Gimme three steps, gimme three steps, mister
And you'll never see me no more"
For, sure
Well the crowd cleared away
And I began to pray
And the water fell on the floor
And I'm telling you, son
Well, it ain't no fun
Staring straight down a forty-four
Well, he turned and screamed at Linda Lou
And that's the break I was looking for
Well, you could hear me screaming a mile away
I was headed out toward the door
"Oh, won't you
Gimme three steps, gimme three steps, mister
Gimme three steps toward the door?
Gimme three steps, gimme three steps, mister
And you'll never see me no more"
Show me the back door
I always laugh when I hear the part when he says 'and you could hear me screaming a mile away as I was headed out toward the door' 
 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.16    7 months ago

Oh but they have themselves convinced that the military and LEOs will be on their side.

Yet there is documented evidence that isn't true. 

During Katrina, LEOs in NOLA and the surrounding area confiscated guns from 'law abiding' citizens, many of them while they were in their own homes. Many of those 'law abiding citizens' never saw their guns again. 

Whenever I see these militia style morons blathering about fighting the government, all I can picture is the Airborne dropping in and surrounding them and snipers dropping them, one by one. IMHO, that's what should have happened in Oregon. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @3.1.19    7 months ago

'Whenever I see these militia style morons blathering about fighting the government, all I can picture is the Airborne dropping in and surrounding them and snipers dropping them, one by one. IMHO, that's what should have happened in Oregon.'

That Bundy bunch?  Got away with it too.  

I wholeheartedly agree with you.  

 
 
 
CB
3.1.21  CB   replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.10    7 months ago

So precisely what type of 'war' are conservatives engaged in right now, where you feel it needful to unleash Trump: The abysmal Kraken?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.17    7 months ago

Personally, I love seeing wannabe macho nut cases like those guys get their tail ends kicked by normal every day law abiding citizens both right and left. Had a similar situation like that happen several years ago in my neck of the desert on the AZ/Mexico border when a fringe group calling themselves the Minutemen border guard decided to play vigilante and think they could show op and "help" the Border Patrol take care of the illegal immigrant situation on the border. They showed up armed and ready to "apprehend" illegals at the border. The local populations had other ideas. Those nut cases were kicked out of almost every community they showed up in by the locals whether they be conservative or liberal.Turns out a lot of members had criminal backgrounds for assault and battery against illegals.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.22    7 months ago
I love seeing wannabe macho nut cases like those guys get their tail ends kicked by normal every day law abiding citizens both right and left.

And I personally wanted to crack the skulls of all the anti-fa vandals at trmp's inaguration. Why vandalize other people's property? What did that get them?

That's why I'm saying if all these idiots keep the shit up they are going to destroy everybody's liberties.

p.s. one of these days I'm gonna get that piece of copper pipe from under my bed and teach some people some damn manners

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.24  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.23    7 months ago

Personally, I prefer my 40 year old Louisville Slugger softball bat. So simple yet very effective!

 
 
 
lady in black
4  lady in black    7 months ago

Here's another lovely republican.....

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/crime/greece-man-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-senator-schumer-california-congressman/71-55d04dee-1206-47a0-b245-09e4699fd48b

Greece man charged with threatening to kill Senator Schumer, California congressman

Allegedly Salvatore Lippa II, 57, left threatening voicemail messages for the New York Senator and California Congressman.
 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  lady in black @4    7 months ago

In my limited, perusal of gun violence in America, particularly, the mass murderers of large numbers of innocent people, it appears, to this observer, that the bulk of the perpetrators are aligned with RIGHT WING IDEOLOGIES. 

The Republican Party has been reaching out to these groups for a long, long time. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
4.1.2  pat wilson  replied to    7 months ago

There’s no proof to support that claim. The political affiliation of most of the mass shooters we looked at was either unreported or never verified. Experts said these events are rarely motivated by politics to begin with.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/feb/23/claudia-tenney/do-many-mass-shooters-end-being-democrats-rep-tenn/

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  lady in black @4    7 months ago

That idiot should lay off of the ouzo.

 
 
 
user image
5      7 months ago

Better confiscate those memes along with the guns.

 
 
 
zuksam
5.1  zuksam  replied to  @5    7 months ago

And all the copies of "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo"

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
5.1.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  zuksam @5.1    7 months ago

How about treating "Domestic Terrorists" as harshly as International Terrorists?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @5.1.1    7 months ago
How about treating "Domestic Terrorists" as harshly as International Terrorists?

Are you suggesting we send in the drones and hellfire missiles against the ANTIFA thug terrorists?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.2    7 months ago
Are you suggesting we send in the drones and hellfire missiles against the ANTIFA thug terrorists?

Well, they're not the ones actually killing people. That kind of violence has only been coming from right wing extremists in this country. For the petty vandalism and rare assaults caused by left wing extremists the police have been doing just fine. Regardless of affiliation, those throwing punches or vandalizing property should be held to account, as should the piece of shit right wing terrorists who murder dozens and dozens of innocent Americans each year.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @5.1.1    7 months ago

Exactly.  Lock them in a cell, throw away the key, and then throw away the cell.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
5.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  @5    7 months ago

Memes do not kill people, stupid, hostile folks with automatic weapons and pent up anger does. Ban both of these.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @5.2    7 months ago
Memes do not kill people, stupid, hostile folks with automatic weapons and pent up anger does. Ban both of these.

With few exceptions, "automatic weapons" are banned.  And those that DO have them have very specific federal permits allowing that.  

As to pent up anger, what would you suggest?  Frontal lobotomies of all those on the left of center?  Oh wait, haven't they already had that procedure?

 
 
 
zuksam
5.2.2  zuksam  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @5.2    7 months ago

Tell me how we supposed to ban "stupid, hostile folks" or those with "pent up anger" ?  We've already banned automatic weapons for the most part, anyone who does jump through all the hoops necessary to be licensed to legally own an automatic weapon is better vetted than most Secret Service Agents.

 
 
 
CB
5.2.3  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.1    7 months ago

Now hold it just a cotton-pickin' minute. Be clear: Are you defending in any way, shape, or fashion seditious activities in the homeland? Because I have a problem with that. My loved ones are here and I don't want nobody blowing up nothing under or near any of them. Free speech is one thing, but when somebody starts talking about slicing, poisoning, arrowing, and blasting near me and mine, oh heavens no! I'm out! I ain't down with that! Those people need to go!

 
 
 
katrix
5.2.4  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.1    7 months ago
With few exceptions, "automatic weapons" are banned.  And those that DO have them have very specific federal permits allowing that.  

I know only one person who has a full auto. He is a licensed NRA instructor, has a top secret clearance, and had to jump through incredible hoops to get the permit.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  katrix @5.2.4    7 months ago

When I managed a gun range, we didn't allow ANY full auto firearms, no matter who they were.

 
 
 
user image
5.2.6    replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.2.5    7 months ago

One of my favorite moments of my recent trip to san Antonio was shootong an auto 9mm at a gun range. What a blast. Super cheap too. Only 35 bucks for a magazine. Dont find many cheap thrills like that these days.

 
 
 
zuksam
6  zuksam    7 months ago

Never heard of them till their story was posted on this site. I don't personally know anybody on the right who supports jackasses like these Boogaloo Wackadoos. If these Boogaloo dickwads commit any crimes then they should be jailed and 99.9% of the right will condemn them unlike the left who defend and justify violence and intimidation as a means of suppressing Free Speech and opposing political views . The article says "In the last three months, boogaloo-related conversation has grown rapidly, according to the researchers, who found that use of the term has increased nearly 50 percent on platforms like Reddit and Twitter over the last few months." How much of that increased traffic was caused by the Left talking about and linking to this obscure Group of Idiots, I'm thinking about 100%. If these Jabronies are a threat I'm sure at least 10% of their online membership are undercover FBI Agents so there is not to much to worry about.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
6.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  zuksam @6    7 months ago

Trump supports violence, stokes his crowds, flirts with Neo-Nazis, KKK, and other, mostly White Hate Groups.

Trump pardoned a Seal who was convicted by a military court of killing, murdering civilians, then, taking "selfies" with the body of one of his teenage victims. Do not think that Trump is not capable of murder.

 
 
 
MUVA
6.1.1  MUVA  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @6.1    7 months ago

Eddie was convicted of posing with a corpse not for killing civilians for fucks sake stop watching CNN.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @6.1    7 months ago

Flirts?  Hell, he has a full grown love affair with them.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.2  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  zuksam @6    7 months ago

Zuksam,

I regularly visit hate sites and the article is not wrong, hence why I posted it. You can look at 4chan and see for yourself. 

We have nuts on the right and the left looking for insurrection and spreading lies and hate. It has to be recognized, or we have learned nothing from the beginning of the 20th century. 

 
 
 
zuksam
6.2.1  zuksam  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2    7 months ago
We have nuts on the right and the left looking for insurrection and spreading lies and hate. It has to be recognized

I know they exist but they've been around a long time and I don't believe it's spreading. The left is trying to widen the net by implying that if you're against illegal immigration you're a racist or if you're white and think America should come first in our National Policy you must be a racist white nationalist, I know some people who are racist and more than half are black but they're not violent and they don't advocate violence like these Boogaloo Wackjobs they're just trash. If anything it's Leftwing hate and violence that's increasing, there's been a real change there. I went to High School 300 yards from Brown University what ever happened to all those nice friendly hippies that used to protest apartheid. These Rightwing hate groups have been around for decades, they are not growing and they are already on Law Enforcements radar. As far as I'm concerned they have a Constitutional right to Hate, if hate is against the law then a lot of people are guilty of that crime. If they break any real laws then hopefully they are caught and jailed but I'm not going on their sites and reading their disgusting crap and end up on a government list I don't deserve to be on. I'm just not worried about an insurrection by a bunch of keyboard tough guys who like to play dress up in their GI Joe gear, the day they decide to live out their violent fantasies is the day they commit suicide by cop and they damn well know it. The violence in my state is what concerns me and it's not political it's drugs, alcohol, gangs or any combination of the three but if there ever is a insurrection or riot around here it won't be rightwing that's for sure.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  zuksam @6.2.1    7 months ago
These Rightwing hate groups have been around for decades, they are not growing and they are already on Law Enforcements radar.

That's what many conservatives who bury their heads in the sand want to believe, but the facts show the exact opposite to be true.

" right-wing extremists were responsible for  the vast bulk  of documented killings by political extremists in the United States in 2018. In  late July testimony  before the US Senate, FBI Director Christopher Wray reported that the FBI had already made as many domestic terrorism arrests in 2019 as it did in all of 2018 — and, further, that “a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/6/20754828/el-paso-shooting-white-supremacy-rise

"It was the fourth straight year of hate group growth – a  30 percent increase  roughly coinciding with Trump’s campaign and presidency – following three consecutive years of decline near the end of the Obama administration."

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2019/02/19/hate-groups-reach-record-high

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/us/hate-groups-rise.html

" The most significant growth was in the number of white nationalist organizations, up from 100 in 2017 to 148 in 2018, said Beirich, who wrote the report."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/20/hate-groups-white-power-supremacists-southern-poverty-law-center/2918416002/

And besides the fact that right wing extremist groups saw the largest increase, they also account for over 73% of the domestic terrorist killings of innocent Americans.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

Get your heads out of the sand, right wing terrorism not only exists in much larger numbers than right wing conservatives are willing to admit, they are far more violent than any left wing extremists. The right wing extremists no doubt love being part of the conservative community because they get such support and cover from their conservative fellows and know the white nationalists and those conservatives agree with their values and support them by demonizing immigrants, minorities and anyone who dares reject their conservative ideology. A right wing extremist is just a right wing conservative willing to act on their prejudice and hate, they are still birds of a feather and white nationalists and white supremacists know this which is why they have taken shelter almost exclusively within the GOP.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/nazis-russell-walker-arthur-jones-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/16/why-republicans-cant-break-free-white-nationalism/

https://www.salon.com/2019/12/20/senate-gop-apparently-deleted-white-nationalist-from-plan-to-screen-military-recruits/

https://www.politicalresearch.org/2019/06/20/all-you-have-to-do-is-show-up-how-white-nationalists-are-infiltrating-the-gop

 
 
 
devangelical
7  devangelical    7 months ago

cool. let the DHS and FBI infiltrate their militia groups to develop intelligence and when those terrorists decide to play army in the woods, send in the green beret, rangers, delta force, or navy seals for some live fire training exercises on domestic terrorism.

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1  MUVA  replied to  devangelical @7    7 months ago

Or they can do what is normally done and arrest them steady my friend.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8  KDMichigan    7 months ago

I had to look these class of people up, I never heard of them. I don't think these type of people are anything new, they hate all government, not just the left.

I also checked out some MEME's I think gives some context of what they are.

original  

And this one seems Russian.

original

And this one targets conservatives

original

These were on Google. When I looked them up on Facebook there are a bunch of Boogaloo themed private groups, the largest I seen was 3k members. And as a after thought I looked up the Group that doesn't exist ANTIFA and there was a bunch of private groups, The largest I seen being 10k members.

If I ever met one I would probably laugh in his face and give him the "yeah O-kay". (freakshow)

256

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @8    7 months ago

They are on 4chan also and on the dark web. You can use tor to get there. 

384

384

384

Just a small sample.

 
 
 
evilgenius
8.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    7 months ago
They are on 4chan

They were on 8chan too until it was shut down... again last month.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9  Steve Ott    7 months ago

Just think of what the John Birch Society could have done with the internet.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Steve Ott @9    7 months ago

Are you trying to give people nightmares?

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1    7 months ago
Are you trying to give people nightmares?

LOL. I work with people half my age, and none of them know anything about the history of this country. My dad was a member of JBS. What a bunch of crap.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
9.1.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.1    7 months ago

They’re on the net and look like good people. 
https://www.jbs.org

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.1    7 months ago

My Maternal Grandfather was a Bircher....trying to have a non-political conversation with him was pretty much impossible. My Grandmother was as well, but, not nearly as radical. They lost most of their friends, and many of the family kept them at arms length most of the time. After Grandfather nearly drove himself and my Grandmother crazy with his non-stop political diatribes, my Grandmother finally had enough and told him to quit the JBS or she would leave him.

Needless to say he quit and they had a long marriage.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.4  Steve Ott  replied to  Dean Moriarty @9.1.2    7 months ago

Sure they do, they were/are all regular folk. But study their history and beliefs, not so much.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/06/william-f-buckley-john-birch-society-history-conflict-robert-welch/

"In time, Buckley would say that Welch inferred “subjective intention from objective consequences” — because things went badly for the United States, policy makers must have intended those results and worked to achieve them; because China fell to the Communists, by Welch’s lights, those heading the U.S. government must have planned that outcome. Buckley’s comments about the manuscript upset Welch. The JBS founder protested he had sent the manuscript to many people and that only Buckley “completely disagreed” with its hypotheses. However, Goldwater voiced identical objections. “If you were smart,” he wrote Welch, “you would burn every copy you have.” Years later, Buckley wrote that the “mischievous unreality” of Welch’s charges “placed a great weight on the back of responsible conservatives.”

Welch decreed that the John Birch Society would be autocratic in its governance. Any other organizational method, he insisted, would leave the society open to “infiltration, distortion and disruption.” He proclaimed the very word democracy a “deceptive phrase, a weapon of demagoguery, and a perennial fraud.”

And of course, the Civil Rights Movement was actually a Communist movement. Can't allow those uppity ... to stand beside white folk.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.5  Steve Ott  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1.3    7 months ago

I'm not sure it wasn't one of the reasons my parents got divorced. Neither of them would ever talk to me about it.I only know, the JBS didn't stop my father's racist rants.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9.1.6  Raven Wing  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.5    7 months ago
the JBS didn't stop my father's racist rants.

The JBS didn't stop my Grandfather's rants either. In fact, it encouraged it and he nearly became insane. It was at the point that my Grandfather said that if the Grandchildren didn't join the JBS he would disown us that my Grandmother gave him the ultimatum, leave the JBS or lose his family, including her. 

It took a while for him to get his mind back up to par, but, he eventually realized that his family was a more important factor than politics in his life and gave up the JBS. 

For me, from my own experience and POV, the JBS is a mental and emotional  illness like many other political and religious groups.  

 
 
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