Sanders Claims 'Every Study' Shows Medicare for All Will Save Money

  
Via:  it-is-me  •  one month ago  •  41 comments

By:   Newsweek - Chantal Da Silva

Sanders Claims 'Every Study' Shows Medicare for All Will Save Money
"every study" has shown a single-payer "Medicare for All" system will save taxpayers money."

Bernie is the "Panderer Extraordinaire" !

The "Kiddies" of the country love it though !

Elect someone that bases their entire platform on "Assumptions".

Bernies "Assumption" is that his plan would be 450 Billion less than 17 Trillion over ten years that has been the best cost to date for HIS plan. And that's just the costs of "ONE" of his plans costs. 

Go ahead.....do it.

Don't complain later though !


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Promoting his signature Medicare for All plan, Sanders said at one point during the debate that "every study out there, conservative or progressive, says: 'Medicare for All' will save money."

While it is true that some studies have suggested that the plan could cost less than the current health care system in the U.S., other studies have found that Medicare for All would only increase spending.

Sanders appeared to embrace one particular study during the debate: a recent study published in medical journal The Lancet, which determined that his plan could cost $450 billion less in one year than the current framework.

The Lancet paper estimates that the costs for Medicare for All could come to $17 trillion over 10 years, a significantly lower amount compared to the roughly $30 to $40 trillion other studies have estimated the plan might cost the U.S. over a decade.

However, critics have been quick to dismiss that study, with health economists warning that its findings rely on unrealistic assumptions to arrive at that number.

"The assumptions are unrealistic," Gerard Anderson, a health economist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore recently told Kaiser Health News.

Noting that the study claims hospitals would spend less money on overhead costs with a single insurance plan, Anderson said the research ignores all the other costs that they would need to cover, including staffing electronic health records.

"You are never going to save that much money from the various providers," Anderson asserted.

In the wake of Tuesday's debate, a number of outlets, including The New York Times, seized on Sanders' use of the Kaiser study to rally support around Medicare for All, while also deeming his claims that "every study" has found the plan to be less costly as "false."

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Much of the additional spending would be due to the fact that the plan would see coverage extended to more Americans. However, the plan would also include expensive benefits, which could also increase the cost.

Liu told Kaiser that she agreed that the Lancet paper made clearly uncertain assumptions. However, she also noted that the researchers behind the study acknowledge that their findings are based on those assumptions.


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It Is ME
1  seeder  It Is ME    one month ago

All the Idiots that are going to vote for Bernie see is...… "Health Care for All" !

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @1    one month ago
All the Idiots that are going to vote for Bernie see is...… "Health Care for All"

A minor correction sir:

All the Idiots that are going to vote for Bernie see is...… "FREE EVERYTHING for All"

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    one month ago

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Freedom Warrior
1.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  It Is ME @1    one month ago

Not to mention of the fact that he invited every freaking fukwad in the entire world to participate in system at our expense.

 
 
 
bbl-1
2  bbl-1    one month ago

Sanders may be right.  Sanders also may be wrong.

But, I do know that the 'private for profit' insurance industry currently managing America's health care payment system is not saving anybody anything.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  bbl-1 @2    one month ago

They aren't designed to actually "Save" money for others. It's called "A Business" that funds YOURS, and everyone else they supply a service to, for a "Fee" ! They rely on millions of clients to help them fund that cost of Yours.

Bernie Supporters don't seem to understand that. Bernie supporters actually think the "Bernie Plan" is going to reduce "Actual Medical Costs", which it doesn't ! It tries to "Force (socialism)" Companies to take a lower payment, over what the costs actually are.

Even a Moron knows, if you try and negotiate too many times with a business (Hospitals, Doctors, Care Givers, etc...), they'll tell you to take a hike, or just stop services altogether.

 
 
 
bbl-1
2.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one month ago

Yeah.  It's the 'fee' that concerns me.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one month ago
It's called "A Business" that funds YOURS, and everyone else they supply a service to, for a "Fee" !

A fee that is determined by profit margins, as well as if they will cover you at all should a medical incident happen.  Insurance companies put a $ amount to what your life is worth, and generally that $ amount is much much less than you would believe.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.1    one month ago
Yeah.  It's the 'fee' that concerns me.

Well....they aren't gonna "Supply" a Money service to you for "Free" !

Do you think "Bernie's" plan will ?

It's no different than SS. You want your retirement money, you better hope the work force grows (Contributors to SS).

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    one month ago
as well as if they will cover you at all should a medical incident happen.

You obviously don't have much experience with 'medicare'.   There are many things 'medicare' will not cover.

Yeah, personal experience.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.3    one month ago
You want your retirement money, you better hope the work force grows

Why would they work?  Bernie is essentially offering everything for free, so just sit back, light up a BIG doobie and watch some TV or listen to some tunes.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    one month ago
A fee that is determined by profit margins

And "Expenses" !

Every Business on the planet is in business to make a profit ! 

 
 
 
bbl-1
2.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.3    one month ago

Sorry.  Insurance health care billing executives do not deserve millions of dollars in annual compensation. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.7    one month ago
Insurance health care billing executives do not deserve millions of dollars in annual compensation. 

Government will do better ?

Governments always in "Debt", while the "Politicians" become Millionaires" for "Serving "The People".

Is that really a better option ?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.9  XDm9mm  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.7    one month ago
Insurance health care billing executives do not deserve millions of dollars in annual compensation. 

While I personally think many in the corporate world are overpaid, that's not your nor my decision.  It's the decision of the people that employ them, the Board of Directors.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.4    one month ago
You obviously don't have much experience with 'medicare'.   There are many things 'medicare' will not cover.

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evilgenius
2.1.11  evilgenius  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.4    one month ago
You obviously don't have much experience with 'medicare'.   There are many things 'medicare' will not cover.

So my (new 8-5 office job) would see a significant increase in customers looking for Med Sups! I'd really have to get my agent's licence then. I don't see a downside. I'm just joking....  mostly.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.6    one month ago
And "Expenses" ! Every Business on the planet is in business to make a profit !

So it is okay in your mind, that a person's life is determined based on a company's profits?  Fees are based on profit, expenses are just part of the equation in determining how much the fees are to make their profit margin.

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XDm9mm
2.1.13  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    one month ago
You obviously don't have much experience with 'medicare'.   There are many things 'medicare' will not cover. DHm3DTwUAAA-jol.jpg

Maybe you're unaware, but MEDICARE is in fact the GOVERNMENT and is not determined by PROFIT MARGINS.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.14  XDm9mm  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.11    one month ago
So my (new 8-5 office job) would see a significant increase in customers looking for Med Sups

Good possibility....   just like they do in Europe and all those other "socialized" medicine places Sanders drools over.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.4    one month ago

Yeah, I'm not thrilled with the $148 that Quest charges for a blood test AFTER most of the original bill is "waived" and Medicare pays their $30.00.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.16  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.12    one month ago
So it is okay in your mind, that a person's life is determined based on a company's profits? 

I use the "Insurance" that I pay for...all the time. I'm not dying !

I can't imagine what the cost would be "WITHOUT" that profit hording company I use when needed. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

So tell us….how is Bernie going to force "Medical Costs" down, when one doesn't have insurance ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

You know...the "Real" problem (what the caregiver folks charge). jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.5    one month ago
Why would they work?

To eat? Pay rent, car payments.....

Let's be real.  Even Burnie can't provide that.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.15    one month ago
Yeah, I'm not thrilled with the $148 that Quest charges for a blood test AFTER most of the original bill is "waived" and Medicare pays their $30.00.

Check your EOB.   I had that with the wife and fought "Quest" on billing.   Per the EOB...  their "providers" (and that was Quest) agree to accept what the Medicare Supplemental policy pays.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.19  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.16    one month ago
I use the "Insurance" that I pay for...all the time. I'm not dying !

It is good that you can afford your insurance, or have a job that can help you afford it.  Do you truly believe that is true for everyone?

I can't imagine what the cost would be "WITHOUT" that profit hording company I use when needed.

A fraction of what you're paying. 

So tell us….how is Bernie going to force "Medical Costs" down, when one doesn't have insurance ?

In case you haven't noticed, one of his big things is single payer insurance.  If you're an American, you will have insurance.

You know...the "Real" problem (what the caregiver folks charge).

So you are trying to deflect by pointing to one little piece of the pie, and ignoring everything else?

The fact remains that the current healthcare insurance system in America weighs a person's life against corporate profits, and lives are lost in that process.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.20  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.19    one month ago
If you're an American,

Actually, if you're simply here. Regardless of being here legally or not, you'll be covered.  Essentially providing an open invitation for anyone from anywhere to come here if for nothing else medical treatment.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.21  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.19    one month ago
The fact remains that the current healthcare insurance system in America weighs a person's life against corporate profits,

Yet ONE MORE TIME.....  Medicare is a GOVERNMENT system and Medicare does NOT//NOT cover everything.  Period.  End of story.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.16    one month ago
So tell us….how is Bernie going to force "Medical Costs" down, when one doesn't have insurance ? 

Simply put--he wouldn't.

Medicare for all would be such an expensive boondoggle. Look at the amount of fraud in our current Medicare/Medicaid system.

Medicare, when first started, blew through its initial 10-year budget projections in about 6 years, and doubled about every 4 years for the next 12 years.

Multiply that by including every person in America and you have a massive spending program, some of which will be spent on illegal aliens.

Bad idea.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.23  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.20    one month ago
Actually, if you're simply here. Regardless of being here legally or not, you'll be covered.

As the Constitution stipulates.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.24  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.21    one month ago
Yet ONE MORE TIME.....  Medicare is a GOVERNMENT system and Medicare does NOT//NOT cover everything.  Period.  End of story.

ONE MORE TIME, I have never claimed Medicare covers everything, this is a deflection you keep trying to push.  Medicare DOES NOT base its coverage on the profit margin.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.25  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.23    one month ago
As the Constitution stipulates.

Show me specifically where in the US Constitution it is "stipulated" that we provide illegal alien invader scumbag lowlife motherfuckers medicare.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.26  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.25    one month ago

Show me specifically where in the US Constitution it is "stipulated" that we provide illegal alien invader scumbag lowlife motherfuckers medicare.

14th Amendment

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.27  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.22    one month ago

All the Maroons Hear from Bernie and his Types, is this fantasy of …… "I'm covered....for Nothing" !

What a bunch of "Gulli-bull....shits"

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.28  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.19    one month ago
Do you truly believe that is true for everyone?

Government assistance programs are available everywhere. if you don't have a job, get on one of those assistance programs. I've been paying for that too with no qualms. Didn't bother me. If you tell me I will pay for it by law, My "Happy Camper" persona will quickly diminish.  Happy ?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.29  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.26    one month ago
14th Amendment

That's a stretch, even for you.  You are cognizant of the fact the 14th references citizens are you not?    There is no mention of illegal alien invader scumbag lowlife motherfuckers mentioned anywhere in the verbiage of that amendment. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.30  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.15    one month ago

You've got the wrong kind of Medicare

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.31  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.23    one month ago
As the Constitution stipulates.

If you claim such a thing, why can't you give us a DIRECT quote from the Constitution you claim states it?

Show us where it states we MUST give medical care to illegal aliens for free for life.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.32  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.26    one month ago
14th Amendment

the 14th has absolutely nothing to do with illegals.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.33  gooseisgone  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.19    one month ago
The fact remains that the current healthcare insurance system in America weighs a person's life against corporate profits

Tell me Ozzwald do you think the Doctors and Hospitals will be able to survive on 100% Medicare reimbursement for all their patients and nothing else. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.33    one month ago

Of course they won't be willing to take massive pay cuts. That plan will lead to doctor shortages. Why become a doctor with all that school and internships when your earnings will be dictated by governmental policies?

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.35  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.18    one month ago

you are correct, the EOB (6 pages) came 10 days after  I paid the blood suckers at Quest...

and indicates I did not owe them the same amount.

I also have to check with the physicians office to see if I signed anything that said I would pay - i saw something to that effect on line.

I also saw where Quest harasses people and goes to collection regularly.

Ugh.

 
 
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