Coronavirus rescue loans for small business went to community lenders as big banks fumbled

  
Via:  freewill  •  one month ago  •  44 comments

By:   By HANNAH LEVITT / BLOOMBERG

Coronavirus rescue loans for small business went to community lenders as big banks fumbled
Small businesses that rushed in vain to tap $349 billion in emergency U.S. loans to survive the coronavirus crisis are facing a harsh reality: Some of the nation’s top banks lagged behind relatively tiny rivals in handling applications.

I'm curious to hear about the experience other small businesses have had in trying to secure a PPP loan via SBA approved lenders under the CARES Act.  I am half owner of a small engineering firm, serving clients in essential industries such as food processing, food and beverage, and data centers.  We are seeing a marked slowdown in our current ongoing projects and a more pronounced reduction in work in the pipeline due to the Coronavirus situation.  We have made every effort starting early on to protect our employees and get them setup to work from home, even before the Shelter at Home restrictions hit California.  Working from home as worked out fairly well so far, but as you can imagine it has an impact on our efficiency which has an impact on our profitability.  So far we have been able to maintain our staff at least part time, but still paying them as though full time.  However, depending on how long this lasts, we can see the writing on the wall.

We began to assemble our application for a PPP Loan as soon as it and the guidelines became available on the SBA  website.  We called our banker at Wells Fargo in late March and they had no information on when they might start accepting applications.  So we found another bank Tri-Counties Bank that was recommended to us by our lawyer.  We worked with them closely over the phone and they were very helpful and we submitted the application on April 3.   Within a day, the person we were working with called and said that unfortunately she just found out that we would have had to been an account holder at TCB since Feb 15 in order to have any sort of priority in their application process.  They later told us that they could not take our application and that we would find out that all other banks, large and small, would tell us the same thing.  Desperate, we tried dozens of banks and that was indeed the story we got from all of them.

So back to Wells Fargo we go and they are still telling us they are not setup for applications on April 4 even after the SBA PPP program got funded and everyone else was taking applications.  All they had at that time was a web page where you could "express interest" in a PPP Loan, fill out a short form (which we did immediately) and that they would contact us "in a few days".  Meanwhile, all the other banks are accepting applications and processing them.  Several days go by with us checking every day, multiple times a day, and we never got an update from WFB. Several calls to our local WFB branch got us absolutely nowhere.  She had no direction from corporate.  There was no corporate line to call and help lines were not working.   On 4/7 we get an email saying that they are unable to begin our application due to high demand, and it concludes with:

There is a limited amount of funds approved by the SBA for the Paycheck Protection Program. Because Wells Fargo is targeting to distribute a total of $10 billion to small businesses with fewer than 50 employees and nonprofits, you may want to apply elsewhere to increase your chances of receiving a loan before the funds run out.

Are you fucking kidding me?  They knew damn well we could not go anywhere else.

On 4/8 we get another email saying that our place in line just to submit an application will not be impacted by the actions of the Fed Reserve to allow WFB to expand its participation in the PPP Loan Program.  Oh...mighty nice of you!  It also says that when they do finally allow us to submit an application, it will be online ONLY and they will email us a link.  No numbers to call, nobody to help us understand if we are going to be able to submit an application or not.  On 4/10 another email saying that we "remain in the queue based on when we submitted our initial interest".  We submitted the damn thing seconds after it came up on their website!  The letter says still "not able to begin your application at this time".  Got an identical email again on 4/13.

WFB never sent us another email to let us know that they would accept our application.  After many calls to our local WF banker she was finally able to get us access to the online application portal on 4/15/20!  We of course processed the application immediately after hanging up with the banker. The next day the SBA PPP Loan funds had been exhausted, and here we are again now without a single word from WFB about the status of our application, other than to say they had received it and no information on who to contact or how to track the status.

If I have learned one thing from this ordeal, it is that we will never do business with WFB again!  As soon as all this is over, they have lost a loyal customer of at least 30 years.  They are done!


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Small businesses that rushed in vain to tap $349 billion in emergency U.S. loans to survive the coronavirus crisis are facing a harsh reality: Some of the nation’s top banks lagged behind relatively tiny rivals in handling applications. As banking giants tried to automate the process, hundreds of employees at Texas lender Cullen/Frost Bankers Inc. volunteered to fill out forms manually, working late into the night in homes to set up $3 billion in loans. That contrasts with Wells Fargo & Co., which arranged only about $120 million by the time   the program was depleted   this week, according to people briefed on its progress.

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Wells Fargo said in a statement Friday it moved as quickly as possible to get loans for clients while trying to comply with the program’s requirements. It promised it’s ready to help the moment Congress allocates more funding. “Invitations to apply have been sent to more than 450,000 customers with a total notional loan amount of around $50 billion, which we stand ready to submit to the Small Business Administration for its acceptance,” the San Francisco-based bank said. That’s “an amount comparable to our peers.”

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Cullen/Frost, less than a 50th the size of Wells Fargo, had trouble getting its computers to work seamlessly with the SBA’s systems, so it marshaled an army of employees to handle forms. Most volunteered and worked from home, where they hopped online in the early morning and worked until after dark, contacting clients directly with questions. The firm adjusted its process a few times and deployed some software to help. But much of the work was done by hand, CEO Phil Green said in an interview.

“We have processed more applications than we take in in a year and a half — and we’ve done it in 10 days,” Green said. “You had to manually wrestle it to the ground.”


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Freewill
1  seeder  Freewill    one month ago

Here is the email we got from WFB on 4/13:

Update on your interest in the Paycheck Protection Program

We want to keep you informed on your interest in applying for the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) through Wells Fargo. We understand how important these resources are for you to continue operating your businesses and we are working as quickly as we can to get back to you.

While you remain in queue based upon when you submitted your initial interest, due to high demand we are not able to begin your application at this time.

All applications for the Paycheck Protection Program will be online only. We will continue to send you email updates frequently so you are informed on the status of your request to apply for the PPP through Wells Fargo. If you can apply through Wells Fargo, we will email you a link to start the application process. We are working through the queue in the order in which customers submitted their initial interest. Our branch and call center teams aren't able to answer any questions about this status.

What you will need to submit an application
You will be asked to provide supporting documentation, such as

  • Payroll tax filings
  • Payroll Tax form 941
  • Form 1099-Misc
  • Income and expenses from a sole proprietorship
You may be able to apply elsewhere
You remain in our queue. However, since there is a limited amount of funds approved by the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) for the Paycheck Protection Program, we want you to be aware of your options. You may want to apply elsewhere to increase your chances of receiving a loan before the funds run out. Visit the SBA website to find a full list of participating lenders you can contact.

Keep in mind that each business may only receive one loan through the Paycheck Protection Program.

We will continue to keep you updated through email. Small businesses are the heart and soul of America, and we are committed to helping you navigate through this time.

I think it is safe to safe say, that since they only loaned $120M of the $350B, and much much smaller banks loaned out billions each under the program, that their last sentence is a bunch of bullshit.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Freewill @1    one month ago

ells  argo  ank

WFB

orst  F 'n ank !

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1    one month ago

Agree!

 
 
 
Freewill
2  seeder  Freewill    one month ago

Does anyone else have a story to report on the PPP Loan process?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Freewill @2    one month ago

I applied for the Economic Injury Disaster Loan through the SBA.  The first time I applied took most of the last week of March.  The application was on the SBA's website, which was very overloaded, and the application process would have been very "clunky" even if the website had been working properly.  I worked on it for about 3 days, because every time I'd enter a piece of information, it took forever for the page to accept it.  I saved multiple times, and got kicked off the site so many times I lost count.  Finally, I only had to upload last year's corporate (I have an S-corp) returns, and I was done.  And that was when they disabled the website.  I never got it uploaded.

There was another, much shorter and easier online app a week later.  I think that took me 10 minutes.  All I've heard from that one was a general information email telling me that if I'm approved, the money will be in my bank account a few days after my application is received.  Since my application should have been received already, I called to confirm that.  It has, and is being processed.

From the first application process, the one that wasn't completed before the website was disabled - there was a data breach.  My personal information might have been visible to others.  Ugh.

As far as the PPP loan - it seems that I have to keep my staff on payroll for 8 weeks for that loan to be forgiven, which is what we initially thought was being offered.  My office may be shut down for longer than that, so that loan mandates more expenses than it covers.  I decided to hold off applying for it.  The strings attached were not reassuring.  When I was discussing it with my bank's loan officer, he expressed frustration with the federal government over how many times they'd changed the application process and loan terms.  He said he was working lot of extra hours to try to process these loans, and just when he thought he was on the right track, another change came down the pipes.

 
 
 
Freewill
2.1.1  seeder  Freewill  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1    one month ago
When I was discussing it with my bank's loan officer, he expressed frustration with the federal government over how many times they'd changed the application process and loan terms.  He said he was working lot of extra hours to try to process these loans, and just when he thought he was on the right track, another change came down the pipes

Yes we heard about some of this as well, but the smaller banks, hell every bank, sure handled it better than WFB.  There were a few changes, but mostly just to the application to include a few additional data points.

We were also told that we do not qualify for the EIDL.  No explanation given.  That is the one with unknown strings attached also, so be careful.  The PPP seemed better suited to us since we are a service company and payroll is really what we are trying to cover so we don't lose our employees, some who have been with us 20 years!  The PPP loan can be all or partially forgiven if it goes primarily  to pay payroll to retained employees.  Any part not forgiven remains payable by the borrow at a rate of only 1% and there is some deferral time without payments to allow companies to get back on their feet.  Even if we had to pay the entire PPP loan back, the 1% rate beats the snot out of our business credit line, so it is a no-brainer for our situation.

Best of luck to you and your business Sandy!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Freewill @2.1.1    one month ago

The EIDL was supposed to include an unsecured advance of $1000 per employee within 3 or 4 days of application.  TBH, I wouldn't really need much more than that to stay afloat for another 2 months, since my employees are furloughed and on unemployment.  

I've read advice from accountants saying that if I got a PPP loan, I should open a separate checking account just for those funds, so the paper trail on how they were spent was easier to prove, if I were asked.  Difficult application process, difficult accounting, invisible strings - red flags just kept popping up.

FWIW, I've heard that Bank of America has done a terrible job processing PPP applications, too.  They've lost a few customers over it, too.

Good luck to you, too, Freewill.

 
 
 
Freewill
2.1.3  seeder  Freewill  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.2    one month ago
Difficult application process, difficult accounting, invisible strings - red flags just kept popping up.

Understood.  Every company will have a different situation I suppose.  To be honest, even if Congress funds the program further, and we somehow get the loan, I expect WFB will probably figure some way to screw us further.  In fact they already have.  They are saying that if they approve the PPP loan my partner and I will need to sign a personal guarantee.  The SBA website makes it clear that there will NOT be the requirement for a personal guarantee or collateral. 

Loans will be guaranteed under the PPP under the same terms, conditions and processes as other 7(a) loans, with certain changes including but not limited to:
i. The guarantee percentage is 100 percent.
ii. No collateral will be required.
iii. No personal guarantees will be required.
iv. The interest rate will be 100 basis points or one percent.
v. All loans will be processed by all lenders under delegated authority and lenders will be permitted to rely on certifications of the borrower in order to determine eligibility of the borrower and the use of loan proceeds.

I don't trust WFB anymore.  

Good luck to you, too, Freewill

Thanks Sandy!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  Freewill @2.1.3    one month ago
They are saying that if they approve the PPP loan my partner and I will need to sign a personal guarantee.  The SBA website makes it clear that there will NOT be the requirement for a personal guarantee or collateral. 

Hmmph.

I guess for me, since all of my employees and I are eligible for unemployment, and I legally can't work right now, PPP seemed like it might be free money, but also might not.  If I eliminated those costs by putting everyone on unemployment, which I've paid into for years with only one claim, PPP seemed like a way to possibly get me to take on a loan to cover expenses that could be covered for free (via UI).

 
 
 
Freewill
2.1.5  seeder  Freewill  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.4    one month ago
PPP seemed like a way to possibly get me to take on a loan to cover expenses that could be covered for free (via UI).

That may indeed be the situation for some, but in my business UI would only cover a fraction of what our employees would be paid if they worked full time.  I have, however, read of some cases where the UI benefit enhancements that are part of the CARES Act are creating a situation where some are being paid more than if they had gone back to work full time.  That won't be sustainable of course, but might lead to some not wanting to return to work as things clear up since they can stay on the UI benefits and make more for doing nothing.  That could make matters worse, rather than better for some small businesses.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Freewill @2.1.5    one month ago

My employees are probably getting more take-home pay on unemployment, but we work a 32-hour week, and that also doesn't take into account the contributions I make to their retirement funds.  No whispers of anybody not wanting to come back, and once the job is available again, they become ineligible for unemployment, anyway.

One has two school-age children who are incapable of entertaining themselves.  She's ready to come back yesterday at half pay jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Freewill
2.1.7  seeder  Freewill  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.6    one month ago

     “and once the job is available again, they become ineligible for unemployment, anyway.”

Not necessarily.  How does the government know when the job comes available again if the ex-employee doesn’t tell them?  All they have to do is show they went to a couple interviews and couldn’t find a job.  Not saying that your former employees would do that, but I have seen it with my own eyes, and know some folks who work at the EDD and have some stories to tell.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Freewill @2    one month ago

I was informed by my main employer that due to my 1099 status he could not claim me for payroll purposes and the the following Friday I would have to file for a separate self employed program through WFB.

They filed through WFB and were told, no relationship, no loan.

They too went through Tri States and the stumbling block appears to be that we haven't seen a reduction in pipelines or laid anyone off.  All but essential employees are 100% commission...

WFB stonewalled me for a week before saying that the $$ ran out anyway. 

A week later they opened up the process again but my wife is still gainfully employed and working from home, scheduled to return to work MAY 4 with or without government permission and we felt that we really don't need to apply at this time.

( I had a terrific first quarter )

My wife was eligible for stimulus which we shared with my daughter who was laid off.  Her state's UE office are FUBAR.

Apparently I was ineligible for the stimulus also...no explanation yet.

Oh well...

One thing my son and I got out of many years of Boy Scouts,

"Be prepared"

 
 
 
Freewill
2.2.1  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Split Personality @2.2    one month ago

       "Be prepared"

Indeed.  Easier said than done though when health insurance premiums have exceed the mortgage payments and you have 3 kids in college.  And we had a major business ownership transition and two engineers retiring just last year. So it has been like starting over again.  Fun stuff!

 
 
 
Freewill
2.2.2  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Split Personality @2.2    one month ago
I was informed by my main employer that due to my 1099 status he could not claim me for payroll purposes and the the following Friday I would have to file for a separate self employed program through WFB

Hey SP, just ran across this article with respect to 1099 employees and the PPP.  This article of course focuses on agricultural work, but the information is still pertinent to any 1099 worker.

http://wineindustrynetwork.com/suppliers/bpm-llp/z24RJ3LHJL0./mail#whatsnew

How 1099 workers can apply for and use the loans is an enigma unto itself, but perhaps the best thing businesses can do right now is make sure contractors they work with know they are eligible for their own loans. It is likely that 1099 workers are going to see reductions in work for the foreseeable future, so alerting contract-partners to this aspect of the PPP could help them supplement their income during these difficult times and achieve the benefits intended by the bill.

You probably already know all this, but thought I'd pass it along.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Freewill @2.2.2    one month ago

Thanks !!!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Freewill @2    one month ago

We were successful in obtaining $1.5 million.  It was a nail biter but we leaned on our community banking relationship and they were working fast a furiously from 4/10 on.

Now we will be paying many people to sit at home. Some may not appreciate that if they were able to collect unemployment with the $600 / week kicker.  Assuming that ever gets processed.  The government F'ed that part up.  They should have given us the option on when to start the clock on the loan forgiveness period since we are currently unable to re-open.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.3.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.3    one month ago

I would add that a larger business with a small degree of overlapping ownership were expecting BofA to come through for them and were unsuccessful.

I had heard that these larger banks we capped out under the program at a certain level thus allowing more room for community banks to participate.  The larger the bank the smaller the fish in the pond would also seem to be a factor.  

My wife works for a major SBA lender.  They told me early on that they only planned to accept applications from existing borrowers.  Knowing we had over $20 million of debt with our local lender it became obvious who to go to since they aren't collecting debt service now for probably 90 days.

 
 
 
Ender
3  Ender    one month ago

None of this makes any sense to me. Big banks had to wait to do it online yet a small bank could do it by hand.

It just all sounds fishy.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @3    one month ago

From what I hear, the bank gets paid a commission of 5% of the loan amount.  For smaller banks, that commission is probably more tempting than it is to bigger banks like Wells Fargo.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.1  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1    one month ago

Sounds about right. Give out a relief package and the banks get a percentage.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @3.1.1    one month ago

I don't mind them getting a percentage, really.  Their loan officers are working to get the applications processed.

 
 
 
Freewill
3.1.3  seeder  Freewill  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.2    one month ago
Their loan officers are working to get the applications processed.

I would preface that with an, Assuming...   (-:

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  Freewill @3.1.3    one month ago

True.  I'll qualify.

MY bank's loan officers are (or were) working to get the the applications processed.  The loan officer I spoke with was always readily available by phone or email.

Of course, if the loan doesn't go through, they don't get a commission.  A more significant loss in revenue for a small bank than for a large one, I assume.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.5  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1    one month ago

It isn't 5% across the board it is sliding on the amount barrowed.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @3.1.5    one month ago

I see.

 
 
 
Freewill
3.2  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Ender @3    one month ago

The application is supposed to follow the SBA guidelines.  The PDF application is actually on the SBA website. The banks just administer the application process and the SBA approves it.  Everyone was working with the same SBA guideline/process.  If the banks drop the ball administering the SBA loan, it isn't a problem with the SBA.  And yes, the smaller banks looked out for their customers and worked overtime to get their loans processed, even if they had to do it manually.  Wells Fargo apparently didn't give a shit.  

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.1  Ender  replied to  Freewill @3.2    one month ago

So basically the smaller bank decided to process the applications themselves manually where the larger bank couldn't be bothered.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.2.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @3.2.1    one month ago

Sounds that way.

 
 
 
Kavika
4  Kavika     one month ago

Beside the fiasco with them banks it seems that many Hedge Funds were first in line for the money. Each dollar they got took loan/grant money from real small businesses. 

Without oversite, this is the FUBAR that you get.

 
 
 
Freewill
4.1  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Kavika @4    one month ago
it seems that many Hedge Funds were first in line for the money

Not sure where you get that info.  SBA website shows where it all went .  The vast majority to small business. and most loans under $150,000.  WFB is going to have to explain to their customers why only their customers were denied timely and effective access to the program.  Law suits will fly, mark my words.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freewill @4.1    one month ago

I don't see that on those charts. There are about a dozen, possibly more major corporations that took big bites out of those loans and that was found out through investigative reporting. And there is a total lack of transparency with only the congressional leaders having access to that list. 

 
 
 
Freewill
4.1.2  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    one month ago

Well the charts don't say anything about hedge funds grabbing up big chunks of it, which is what I was refuting.  The PPP loan program is for small businesses less than 500 employees, but I have seen where a large restaurant chain was able to garner several loans by breaking them up into locations of less than 500 employees.  They may not allow them to get away with that, we’ll see.  Other than that the charts clearly show where the money went for this particular program. A further breakdown and more detail would be nice. I’ll keep my eye out for that.

Now of the total $2.3T for the CARES Act, yes a big chunk went to large corporations, who like small businesses employ a great many people. But a comparable amount went to individuals as well in the form of tax refunds and unemployment expansion, etc.  I have a nice color coded chart I can share with you when I get back to my computer on Tuesday.  Cities, Counties and States got a big chunk too, as did hospitals and medical programs.  So if Democrats claim to be holding up expansion of the PPP loan program for small businesses to retain employees because they claim to want more for governments and hospitals, keep in mind that those recipients already got what they asked for via other parts of the CARES Act.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    one month ago

and this is After

the Dems held it up for a few days,

as you know the GOP and Trumps' initial version was far less transparent, and would of enabled far more of the Wrong 'connected' corporations to once again, like the previous bailouts, to F over US Taxpayers, and allow the Wrong Companies that this stimulus was not meant for to grab billions from those for who it was 'supposedly' designed for.

Some things never change.

Under Trump, most change for the worse 

 
 
 
Freewill
4.1.4  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    one month ago

Perrie - Quickly before I run out to a job site for the day, here is that chart showing how the final CARES Act funds were to be distributed by law . Same info broken down a different way HERE .

Happy to discuss tomorrow when back at home.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    one month ago

Great to see, but why did they apply in the first place ?

Possibly due to how vaguely it was written, or to maximise profits, either way, they did the RiGHTv thing!

.Hedge Funds         Disgusting !

F them ! They don't deserve a fricken cent !

 
 
 
Freewill
4.1.7  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    one month ago

Great info Kavika - Thanks!

Well at least that big restaurant chain did the right thing and gave it back.

Good article on the Hedge Funds who have applied.  Note that the article says some applied, or "attempted", or "considered" applying, but does not indicate if they were approved or actually collected the funds.  Hopefully those applications will be rejected as others in that industry have suggested they should be.  Several questions on the application speak to real need for the loan and hopefully the SBA will accept/allow only those loans where need is the greatest.  Time will tell and the records of actual approved and delivered loans will be made available.  Then we can bitch about that too.

Oddly enough, the first we learned of the PPP Loan program was through our lawyers office in late March.  That is why we had a sharp eye out and were ready with our application and documentation very early on before the program even opened up.  But WFB screwed us by not letting us even submit our application until 4/15, after we expressed our interest which is all their system would let us to do on April 4.  Like I said we tried many other banks as well but they all said we had to have been account holders as of Feb 15, 2020.  So we were stuck with WFB.

Recall where I said that lawsuits were going to fly?  Check this out.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/19/wells-fargo-lawsuit-small-business-ppp-loans/5162801002/

This article doesn't tell the whole story.  WFB was actually delaying the ability of their account holders who expressed interest in the PPP and did not allow us to even apply until it was too late.  So they even screwed us out of first come first serve priority, which will likely result in the failure of many of their customer's businesses.  So apparently they were allowing hand picked companies to apply before they let us and countless others apply, just based on the company names crossed referenced to their banking data so as to result in the best fee collection for them.  This suit is just the tip of the iceberg.  I suspect a class action will be coming, but that isn't going to help those of us who really needed the PPP loan, and were prevented from getting it by the bank we trusted for over 30 years.  Like I said, when this is over, WFB will lose perhaps hundreds of thousands of small business accounts, including ours. 

 
 
 
Freewill
4.1.8  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Freewill @4.1    one month ago
Law suits will fly, mark my words.

My words have been marked, already!

Lawsuit alleges Wells Fargo unfairly shuffled Paycheck Protection Program applications

The lawsuit filed on behalf of small business owners on Sunday alleges that Wells Fargo unfairly prioritized businesses seeking large loan amounts, while the government's small business agency has said that PPP loan applications would be processed on a first-come, first-served basis. 

The move by Wells Fargo meant that the bank would receive millions more dollars in processing fees, according to the lawsuit. 

"Making matters worse, Wells Fargo concealed from the public that it was reshuffling the PPP applications it received and prioritizing the applications that would make the bank the most money," the lawsuit filed in California alleged.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Freewill @4.1.8    one month ago

Which is why I was ignored, I am sure.

 
 
 
Freewill
4.1.10  seeder  Freewill  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.9    one month ago
Which is why I was ignored, I am sure

Definitely need to look for a new bank when this is all over!  Afraid to now though as they are the ONLY chance we have at this point, if and when the SBA is further funded.

We may actually start another account at a small local bank this week, although that won't do us any good now.  But good prep for the future.

I get the feeling that we are going to be faced with this sort of situation more often in the future.  Once uber caution is exercised once, it will be the "go to" policy for future outbreaks, likely before they are even called "pandemics".  Nobody will want to be accused of being too slow to act.

 
 
 
Freewill
5  seeder  Freewill    one month ago

Interesting development as Congress passes a bill for additional SBA loan funding.

Big Companies Return PPP Loans

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6  Freedom Warrior    one month ago

Thankfully my man Monty got nice big chunk of the PPP money.   That should make my speculative investment a his 30% plus yielding preferreds a bit more likely to survive the mayhem.

I do find it enormously idiotic that people feel if you work for a large company that you don't deserve to stay on the payroll because the government decided to fuck the company over to the max.

Seriously, who in the hell thinks like that.

 
 
 
Freewill
7  seeder  Freewill    3 weeks ago

Update - Finally secured a PPP loan for our small business via Kabbage.  If you are still struggling with a PPP loan application, I highly recommend them.  It wasn't a perfect process but once we found someone there to help us with some online application issues on their website, it was done.  My office manager is the absolute best, and when she found Chantel at Kabbage the problem was solved in less than 8 hours.    Wells Fargo can go find other small business customers to screw.

 
 
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