Majority Support Obamacare Despite Trump's Supreme Court Bid to Kill ACA

  

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Via:  flynavy1  •  2 weeks ago  •  58 comments

By:   Jacob Jarvis, Newsweek

Majority Support Obamacare Despite Trump's Supreme Court Bid to Kill ACA
A Fox News Poll, which interviewed 1,343 registered voters nationwide between June 13 and 16, found 56 percent had a favorable view of Obamacare.

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The Trump administration's call for the Supreme Court to eradicate Obamacare flies against public opinion, with the majority of Americans still supporting it.

In a legal brief issued Thursday, Solicitor General Noel Francisco argues the individual mandate mandate is unconstitutional following the removal of penalties in 2017. The filing states this mandate is inseverable from other provisions in the Affordable Care Act, frequently referred to as Obamacare, concluding "the entire ACA thus must fall."

It comes just weeks after President Donald Trump branded Obamacare "a disaster," confirming a desire to repeal it.

"Obamacare, we run it really well... but running it great, it's still lousy healthcare," he said.

The move could see an estimated 20 million people lose healthcare coverage, while it would also eliminate protections for millions of others with pre-existing conditions.

Despite Trump's negative views of the ACA, polls indicate most Americans still support it.

A Fox News Poll, which interviewed 1,343 registered voters nationwide between June 13 and 16, found 56 percent had a favorable view of Obamacare. Of those 30 percent were strongly in favor and 26 percent somewhat. This was a record high for Fox News polling.

The Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) Health Tracking Poll has also consistently found support for Obamacare at over 50 percent in recent months. Its latest survey found 51 percent had a favorable view, in a poll conducted among 1,189 adults in the U.S. over the phone between May 13 and 18.

In February, KFF's polling saw a peak in support at 55 percent, at the time stating "a clear majority" viewed the law favorably. The survey was conducted over telephone between 1,207 adults in the U.S. between February 13 and 18th.

While polling would appear to indicate support for the ACA, the move to do away with has also swiftly been condemned by Democrats.

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, commenting on the lawsuit to eradicate Obamacare ahead of its filing, said: "It's cruel, it's heartless, it's callous."

Biden, who is leading in the polls ahead of the election in November, added in a speech in Lancaster, Pennsylvania: "If Donald Trump won't end his senseless crusade against health coverage, I look forward to ending it for him."

In a statement, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) also described the action as cruel.

She said: "President Trump and the Republicans' campaign to rip away the protections and benefits of the Affordable Care Act in the middle of the coronavirus crisis is an act of unfathomable cruelty.

"If President Trump gets his way, 130 million Americans with pre-existing conditions will lose the ACA's lifesaving protections and 23 million Americans will lose their health coverage entirely. There is no legal justification and no moral excuse for the Trump Administration's disastrous efforts to take away Americans' health care."

Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) said it would be a "catastrophe" if the lawsuit was successful.

She tweeted: "A lot has changed in our country over the past few months—yet even amid a pandemic, President Trump's dangerous commitment to attacking families' health care hasn't wavered. Make no mistake: a GOP victory in their partisan lawsuit would be a catastrophe."

Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), reacting to the Supreme Court action, tweeted: "We need to be guaranteeing health care for all, not gutting it from millions."

House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard E. Neal (D-MA) said the administration should be "focused on helping the country through a global health crisis," while adding he felt they were instead "continuing their shameless sabotage of our health system."

"There is no logical reason to threaten critical protections for those with pre-existing conditions or to dismantle the law and drive up costs system-wide. Americans are relying on their health insurance now more than ever," he said in a statement.

Neal added that he felt the COVID-19 crisis should have given weight to enhancing Obamacare, not dismantling it.

"If this crisis has taught us anything, it is that our focus should be on enhancing the ACA and doing everything we can to make accessing health care easier," he said.

The White House and the lawmakers mentioned have been contacted for comment.


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FLYNAVY1
1  seeder  FLYNAVY1    2 weeks ago

Something isn't making sense here.....

Why, in the middle of a pandemic, when people are in need of medical healthcare, is this administration working to eliminate medical coverage?  

The thought crossed my mind a couple of weeks ago...... Is Trump going to quit the election?  Is he trying to lose on purpose?

If you were going to piss off everyone except your rabid base, this is surely the way to do it.

 
 
 
Kavika
1.1  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    2 weeks ago

It is a stupid thing to do, but it will satisfy his base it seems.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @1.1    2 weeks ago

He sure isn't working for the majority of Americans, that's for sure.

Any thoughts that he's intentionally trying to lose at this point?  It is well know that Trump is more scared of losing or looking bad than anything else.

I guess last night on Hannity he said something along the lines of:  (Biden) “is going to be president because some people don’t love me.”  What the hell is that???? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

'I guess last night on Hannity he said something along the lines of:  (Biden) “is going to be president because some people don’t love me.”  What the hell is that????'

I posted a seed on that.  Check it out.  One troll already commented.

 
 
 
Kavika
1.1.3  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
Any thoughts that he's intentionally trying to lose at this point?  It is well know that Trump is more scared of losing or looking bad than anything else.

My answer to that question would be, Bigly Covfefe which makes as much sense as his verbal diarrhea.jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
Any thoughts that he's intentionally trying to lose at this point? 

I don't think so. Being a bully is all he knows. It's what got him here and no matter what his handlers try to do every time he gets in front of mic this is his MO.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.5  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.4    2 weeks ago

So.... knowing that he can't draw from independents, he is trying to maximize the turn out of his base to win?  There's not enough of em. (thank god)

He won the electoral college by a total of 78,000 votes divided by three states in 2016. Mi, Pa, and Wi. with all the independent support he received.  He's not going to get them again by killing the ACA in the middle of a pandemic. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.1.6  evilgenius  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
knowing that he can't draw from independents

His staff knows that, but does Trump really know that? The reports (if you can believe them) show his staff and Republicans looking down ticket in panic mode for the last 2 weeks. 

He's not going to get them again by killing the ACA in the middle of a pandemic. 

I don't think the question is Trump now. I think it's how long will it take for some of the down ticket Republicans to break ranks? Sure as shit it will happen if the numbers don't significantly improve soon. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.7  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

I think we are already seeing the cracks in the dam EG..... The Lincoln Project ads have been brutal... Carly Fiorina came out yesterday saying she's voting for Biden.

I think you are clearly correct though.  Lets watch what happens in the senate.  When the first one breaks, there will be a stampede.  It's just going to take one.

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.1.8  evilgenius  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.7    2 weeks ago
It's just going to take one.

I'm wondering if Ernst might not be the first one (Collins and Murkowski already have and were expected to).

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.9  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

Collins is road kill in this cycle and within her party she is considered an unreliable "Never Trumper" 

Think Moscow Mitch won't break ranks under fire?  He's powerful enough to provide cover for the others....

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.1.10  evilgenius  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.9    2 weeks ago
Think Moscow Mitch won't break ranks under fire?

McConnell will do what he thinks it will take to hold the Senate. IF numbers hold or worsen, I'd give 'em 2 months before the cracks show on the evening news.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.11  cjcold  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.1    one week ago

A classic case of extreme narcissism.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2  devangelical  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    2 weeks ago

bwah ha ha, trump's going to drag the entire GOP over the cliff with him on his way out the door. gee, what a bummer...

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3  gooseisgone  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    2 weeks ago
Why, in the middle of a pandemic,

This didn't just happen its been going on for some time. Obamacare did totally fuck up the Health Care for the people that had coverage.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3    2 weeks ago
This didn't just happen its been going on for some time. Obamacare did totally fuck up the Health Care for the people that had coverage.

How?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3.2  gooseisgone  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.1    2 weeks ago
How?

It caused major company health plans to adopt all the Obamacare rules, which caused the premiums to go up and coverage to go down.  It caused massive losses for the insurance carriers by paying claims on preexisting conditions.  Most individual health markets pulled out of the market leaving at times one or two carriers.  It was a total cluster, it should have NEVER been instituted the way it was. My coverage for instances is with a top 25 employer in the US, it cost me maybe $250 a year in deductibles prior to Obamacare now it runs me $1,000's for the same thing.     

As I said many times before on this site they should have taken every State's Insurance Pool and Modified to meet what they wanted to accomplish and leave everyone else's coverage alone but NOOOOOOOOOOO they had to fuck everyone and they did.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3.2    2 weeks ago

Why do you make stuff up?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.4    2 weeks ago

Excellent links.

I know, because I read them.

Thanks!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.3.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.5    2 weeks ago
I know, because I read them.

Most people do..................and a few^^^^^^^^ don't.

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Ozzwald
1.3.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.3    2 weeks ago
Why do you make stuff up?

It's like he doesn't believe that anyone would question him, and look up the facts for themselves.  Who knows, maybe he has gotten to the point that he believes his own lies.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.3.8  SteevieGee  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3    one week ago

So...  Where is the replacement?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  SteevieGee @1.3.8    one week ago

Yes, where is it?

I mean if he's going to strip people of their healthcare in the middle of a pandemic, what's the replacement?

Funny how they disappear when you ask that question, ain't it?

 
 
 
cjcold
1.3.10  cjcold  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.1    one week ago

Because Trump has a strong need to destroy anything Obama accomplished.

Trump holds a big grudge against Obama for the 2011 correspondents dinner. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.11  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @1.3.10    one week ago
'Because Trump has a strong need to destroy anything Obama accomplished.

Trump holds a big grudge against Obama for the 2011 correspondents dinner.'

EXACTLY!

Also this is against the moneyed folks/elites in NY that have always laughed at him.  

tRump doesn't measure up - never has.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3.12  Gordy327  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3    one week ago
Obamacare did totally fuck up the Health Care for the people that had coverage.

It didn't for me. My coverage was and is just fine.

which caused the premiums to go up and coverage to go down.

See previous statement.

 It caused massive losses for the insurance carriers by paying claims on preexisting conditions.

People with pre-existing conditions face financial destitution if they can't get coverage and suffer a health crisis.

My coverage for instances is with a top 25 employer in the US, it cost me maybe $250 a year in deductibles prior to Obamacare now it runs me $1,000's for the same thing.  

Sounds like you need better coverage. Or insurance provider.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3.13  gooseisgone  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.3    6 days ago
Why do you make stuff up?

Ok.........please link to all the Insurance Carries that millions from Obamacare, link to all the carriers that JOINED the market because of Obamacare, link to all the insurance carriers that had a great loss ratio that were involved with Obamacare. 

Then we can talk about who's making stuff up. 

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3.14  gooseisgone  replied to  SteevieGee @1.3.8    6 days ago
Why do you make stuff up?

Couldn't tell you the House won't pass shit if its brought by a Republican so where is the Democrat's answer. 

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3.15  gooseisgone  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3.12    5 days ago
It didn't for me. My coverage was and is just fine.

Did you have coverage before Obamacare? Were you on an individual policy or group?

People with pre-existing conditions face financial destitution if they can't get coverage and suffer a health crisis.

When did I say anything about eliminating coverage for pre-existing conditions. 

Sounds like you need better coverage. Or insurance provider

Do you have any idea about what you are talking about? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3.16  Gordy327  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3.15    5 days ago

I'm saying the ACA changed nothing for me. But it gave people without insurance some coverage. So any medical problems wouldn't overly financially drain those without coverage.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3.17  gooseisgone  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3.16    4 hours ago
I'm saying the ACA changed nothing for me.

That's great, I am happy for you, you are the only person I have talked to that wasn't adversely effected.  I never said it didn't help people, they just went about it in the wrong way. They should have kept it separate so it could be tracked, not fuck everyone's coverage up(excuse me almost everyone's). 

 
 
 
MUVA
2  MUVA    2 weeks ago

Get rid of the ACA now it was a boondoggle to being with# pay for your own damn healthcare

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @2    2 weeks ago

Still not seeing the forest through the trees are you...  BTW..... where is that big beautiful plan for healthcare your hero promised America to replace the ACA..?  

Happy Friday to you....

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.1  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1    2 weeks ago

I see and pay for the forest and the trees people hoping to get a subsidy love the ACA the people paying for hate it.#time to grow up and pay for your own health care drop the new car and premium cable package new phone every year 

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1.2  devangelical  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1    2 weeks ago

the trump healthcare plan that was going to be better and cheaper? the huge infrastructure projects to rebuild america?

maybe we'll see them after he's done stuffing his pockets on the taxpayers tab. ha ha ha, what a fucking POS/ POTUS loser.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.3  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

You do realize you aren't making sense with respect to the topic MUVA, that is unless you are now taking a total libertarian position.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

You pay for your health insurance.

YOU DON'T PAY FOR MINE.

I PAY FOR MY HEALTH INSURANCE.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.1.5  evilgenius  replied to  MUVA @2.1.1    2 weeks ago
...time to grow up and pay for your own health care...

Except those millions of people who won't be able to be insured because of pre-existing conditions. I suppose they could go back to using the ER as their primary care, default on the bills and pass on the costs for everyone else that way. Or take Scrooge's advice and die to decrease the surplus population. It's that caring GOP Christian Pro-Life plan.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.1.6  SteevieGee  replied to  MUVA @2.1.1    one week ago

You're paying for Trump's healthcare.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.6    one week ago

'You're paying for Trump's healthcare.'

Funny how some people don't get that!

We're paying for them to have the best healthcare available and tRump wants to strip people of their healthcare in the middle of a pandemic.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.1.8  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.6    one week ago

I don't want to pay for Trump's Russian made dick enlargement pills.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2    2 weeks ago

Please explain how it was a boondoggle MUVA?

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.1  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    2 weeks ago

The web site for starters making people who were told they didn’t have to change providers or Doctors then pulling the rug out from under them they didn’t verify people’s income so people got subsidized that didn’t deserve them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

Yeah, right. 

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.3  cjcold  replied to  MUVA @2.2.1    one week ago

There were many fly-by-night insurance companies with long histories of abuses that were not allowed in under the new guidelines. Just another example of Obama helping out average Americans.  

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3  Dean Moriarty    2 weeks ago

It makes no difference to me how many want to destroy the constitution. If the court finds it unconstitutional it has to go. Politicians can't override the constitution that's why we have the checks and balances system. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1  evilgenius  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    2 weeks ago
If the court finds it unconstitutional it has to go.

Didn't Roberts already rule it Constitutional once? What makes you think he will change his mind this time?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @3.1    2 weeks ago

Libertarians wish those without insurance would just shut the fuck up and die already.  

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3.1.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  evilgenius @3.1    2 weeks ago

The courts have already ruled the individual mandate unconstitutional and it now opens to door for a ruling to scrap the entire Obamacare as unconstitutional. The court has not rejected the challenge and is expected to hear the case this fall. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.3  evilgenius  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
The courts have already ruled the individual mandate unconstitutional

No, the SCOUTUS has ruled the individual mandate was Constitutional. The Republicans killed the penalty in Congress. The argument now is that is the whole PPACA Unconstitutional now that the mandate is moot? Roberts ruling with the liberals again would be in line with his mandate majority ruling.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

They did, but US Appeals Court Stuck it down last year as there was a major change the Republicans did to the mandate in 2017 that made it completely worthless; thus everything attached to the mandate worthless. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/18/appeals-court-rules-obamacare-individual-mandate-unconstitutional-but-leaves-law-intact-for-now.html

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate provision is unconstitutional but punted on deciding whether the rest of the landmark health-care law should be tossed out.

The court, in a 2 to 1 decision, is also ordering a lower court judge to reconsider whether ACA, more commonly known as Obamacare, should remain intact.

“The individual mandate is unconstitutional because it can no longer be read as a tax, and there is no other constitutional provision that justifies this exercise of congressional power,” the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling said. “On the severability question, we remand to the district court to provide additional analysis of the provisions of the ACA as they currently exist.”

“It may still be that none of the ACA is severable from the individual mandate, even after this inquiry is concluded,” the majority said. “It may be that all of the ACA is severable from the individual mandate. It may also be that some of the ACA is severable from the individual mandate, and some is not.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/court-strikes-down-obamacare-s-individual-mandate-unconstitutional-n1104476

The appeals court directed the judge "to employ a finer-toothed comb on remand and conduct a more searching inquiry into which provisions of the ACA Congress intended to be inseverable from the individual mandate." Wednesday's ruling will have no immediate effect. For now, the Obamacare program continues.

The Supreme Court did rule that the fee/penalty for not having health insurance was Constitutional- it was considered a tax. Something the Democrats fought tooth and nail against- as it wrecked Obama's claim the PPACA wouldn't increase anyone's taxes. Now that argument has been made worthless.

https://www.nafcclinics.org/content/supreme-court-ruling-affordable-care-act

or whether it is a tax in the end, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power.  

That was back in 2012. The Republicans were a touch smarter than the Democrats and found a way to make that ruling work against the PPACA.

The Supreme Court will take up the new case it has already stated.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-will-take-challenge-obamacare-s-individual-mandate-n1146901

The Supreme Court said Monday that it will take up a legal challenge to Obamacare, agreeing to hear the case in its new term that begins in October. That means the program will continue for at least another year.

It also means the justices won't be handing down a ruling on the contentious issue of health care in June, just as the presidential campaign heats up. That may be good news for Republicans, who would prefer to avoid the issue in an election year.

A federal appeals court ruled in December that the individual mandate in Obamacare, officially known as the Affordable Care Act, is unconstitutional. But it sent the case back to the trial judge for another look at whether the entire law is invalid or some parts can survive.

But in 2017, the Republican-led Congress set the tax penalty at zero. That led Texas and a group of red states to rule that the revised law is unconstitutional. A federal judge in Texas agreed, ruling that because the tax was eliminated, the law could no no longer be saved as a use of the taxing power. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans upheld that ruling by a 2-1 vote in mid-December.

The mandate is completely interwoven into the PPACA. Can't have a law without the mandate; and the mandate was made worthless in 2017. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.5  evilgenius  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Regardless of what you or I think of the PPACA and the mandate, it's what Justice Roberts thinks that will make the difference. My question was what makes you thinks Roberts will rule against the PPACA this time? 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.6  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
3.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

'and want others to subsidize your health care be it a insurance company or the rich.'

Excuse me?

I pay for my health care.

You do not pay for my health care.

So my insurance company isn't supposed to pay for part of my insurance???????????????????????????????

That's what's known as a benefit from my employer.

Last I checked, the 'rich' aren't paying my insurance either.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

What I think?

There is no individual mandate. When Republicans set the rate for it to 0 it ended it, period. Without the mandate there is no PPACA!  You can't pull the mandate out w/o the law completely become unworkable.

Roberts has a brain. He tried to be the nice guy and use the most lenient definition he could, that the mandate was a tax. (not that the leftist idiots thanked him for it.) There is no tax now. Roberts, nor any judge, has the power to reinstate a tax- that is purely Congress' job.

Roberts could have said the Court had already ruled in 2012 and would not revisit the decision; that would have ended it once and for all. He didn't do that did he?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.9  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.8    2 weeks ago

So where is the replacement program from this administration that was touted to be better and less expensive?  It's been 3-1/2 years now, and nothing out of the WH as far as a replacement for the now popular ACA.

7-29-15: Donald Trump on Wednesday offered a glimpse into his presidential platform on healthcare, saying he would replace ObamaCare with “something terrific.”

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/249697-trump-replace-obamacare-with-something-terrific

3 years in, no sign of Trump’s replacement for Obamacare

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/3-years-in-no-sign-of-trumps-replacement-for-obamacare

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.10  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.9    5 days ago
3 years in, no sign of Trump’s replacement for Obamacare

we have not forgotten mcstain

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/us/politics/senate-health-care-vote.html

 
 
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