Very Fine People On Both Sides
Over the last couple years there has been a growing revisionist history of Trump's reaction to the events of Aug 11 and 12, 2017, at Lee Park in Charlottesville Virginia.
The revisionist history revolves around Donald Trump's official reaction to the violence at that location on that date , a reaction that includes the words "there were some very fine people on both sides"
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Richard Bertrand Spencer is an American neo-Nazi, antisemitic conspiracy theorist and white supremacist who is known for his activism on behalf of the alt-right movement in 2016 and 2017.
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Michael Isaac Peinovich (born 1977), commonly known by his pseudonym Mike Enoch, is an American neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, blogger and podcast host. He founded the alt-right media network The Right Stuff and podcast The Daily Shoah.
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Jason Eric Kessler is an American neo-Nazi, white supremacist and anti-semitic conspiracy theorist. Kessler organized the Unite the Right rally held in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 11–12, 2017 and the Unite the Right 2 rally held on August 12, 2018.
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Christopher Charles Cantwell is an American white supremacist and white nationalist political commentator and activist. Part of the broader movement called the alt-right, Cantwell attained notoriety during and immediately after his participation in the Unite the Right rally.
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Pax Dickinson, a libertarian speaker invited to the podium for the ‘Unite The Right’ rally in Charlottesville
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Can Charlottesville revoke the permit for the “Unite the Right” rally August 12?
After the noise and mess and 23 arrests on July 8 for the KKK rally — 40 KKK members, at least 1,000 community members yelling at them, with something like 200 police officers deployed — Charlottesville is bracing for a “Unite the Right” rally being planned by Jason Kessler and his friends. His advertising proclaims that various alt-right national figures like Richard Spencer are coming. Kessler has been granted a permit to hold his “Unite the Right” rally in Emancipation Park (formerly Lee Park) on August 12, from 12 noon to 5 PM. Can the City revoke the permit, as we learn more about who is coming?
Let's see who Jason Kessler is again
Jason Eric Kessler is an American neo-Nazi, white supremacist and anti-semitic conspiracy theorist. Kessler organized the Unite the Right rally held in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 11–12, 2017 and the Unite the Right 2 rally held on August 12, 2018.
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The rally, although opposed by many in the Charlottesville community went off on schedule, and included a torchlight protest on the previous evenong
This was the infamous "Jews will not replace us" procession.
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On Saturday morning and afternoon the white nationalist rally turned into considerable violence and a woman counter protester Heather Heyer was killed when a group of counter protesters were run over by a neo-Nazi driving a car.
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Later that afternoon Donald Trump went to a room in the White House and made a statement saying that the violence came from "many sides".
His words on Saturday were widely deemed by the media as insufficient for the horror of seeing white racists clashing with counter protesters and the death (murder) of one of the anti-racist protesters.
Appx 48 hours after the violence, on Monday Aug 14 Trump read an additional statement
"As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence – it has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.
Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal."
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Something then happened to Donald Trump. Someone or something got to him and told him that his words of Monday were not sufficient to satisfy his political base. He had to amend them, or perhaps pay a political price.
So, the next day , Aug 15 , Trump made his third statement on the Unite The Right rally. It was part of a long press conference where Trump bent over backwards to portray the rally as a place where innocent people simply wanted to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E Lee.
TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.
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On Sat Aug 12 Trump waited hours to make any statement at all as the nation watched this racist violence unfold on cable news channels. He then made an insufficient statement.
On Monday, 48 hours later, he read a statement someone wrote for him condemning racism and white supremacy and the violence in Charlottesville.
On Tuesday, the next day after he condemned the racism he said that there were "fine people on both sides".
Here is my point. This event was never anything but a racist rally organized and promoted by neo Nazis and white supremacists. A white supremacist applied for and received the permit to hold the rally. White supremacists literally came from all over the country to Charlottesville to participate in this racist rally.
When Trump said three days later that there were fine people on both sides, was he a phenomenal ignoramous who was truly unaware that this rally was organized by, promoted by and led by white supremacists, or was he placating the element of his base that didnt approve of his anti-racism statement of Monday (the day before)?
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I am tired of people trying to rewrite this history.
Not nearly as some of us at people who continue to take words out of context even after it has been pointed out to them time and time and time again.
Give me your facts.
I'll tell you what happened. On Sat there was violence at a racist rally when counter protesters confronted the racists.
This went on for hours, and was shown on all the cable news channels. Trump waited hours to make a statement on Saturday and then made one condemning the violence, but also saying it came from "many sides".
He was heavily criticized for not condemning the white racists on Saturday, so on Monday he read a statement condemning racism.
The foillowing day, Tuesday, during a press conference he began to make the case of "fine people on both sides" as if he was minimizing the racist nature of the rally.
This rally was organized and promoted by white supremacists and everyone knew it. The city council in Charlottesville had tried to stop the rally, because they knew it was a hate rally organized by white supremacists.
So, please tell me, just what the hell was wrong with Donald Trump on that Tuesday?
Not a thing.
You have been told repeatedly about this. I see no point in butting my head against a brick wall, so I will not indulge you yet again.
You keep on knowing your version of the truth, and I will do the same.
In other words you know nothing about this situation but feel compelled to let everyone know that you know nothing about it. What else is new?
Your stock reply whenever someone refuses to indulge you in your fantasies.
I can almost predict your comments by now.
I put up facts and you put up blabbering.
It is what it is.
Stay classy, JR, stay classy.
Yet another predictable comment.
Do have anything factual to say about the article? Anything? No one needs any more comments from the peanut gallery here.
My first comment and EVERY subsequent comment has been directly related to what you have posted, JR.
Do you really think that everyone who looks at this will not immediately see that you have nothing of substance to say about this? You are fooling yourself.
Dennis, well prior to the date of the Charlottesville Aug 12, 2017 rally it was well known that it was organized by white supremacists. It was in local media and the city was deliberating as to whether the group should be given a permit to rally in a city park. Why did any "very fine people" attend a white supremacist rally as participants?
Nope business as usual
Instead of commenting on me, please address my posts
Then don’t make any. Problem solved!
She never does and never will. All she has is deflection and deflection and deflection.
If you have John on ignore why are you on his seeds?
Good point lol.
The truth will set you free!
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CF0bYbtJYPB/?igshid=7gjdndtyie8r
I dont read instagram and I dont think anyone else here does either.
No we don't. That's all he seems to have is his bogus instagram posts. You should mark them off topic.
John, is everyone who attended an anti war march a true believing communist? Or everyone who attended the women’s March organized by anti semites an anti semite? Do you believe it’s wrong to claim anyone who attended a march against the Iraq war is a very fine person? Are they all communists?
guilt by association is not a game Democrats can win, given their embrace of terrorists and race baiters like Jesse Jackson, al sharpton, Farrakhan etc...spend a few minutes looking at some of the beliefs and actions of the groups that organize left wing protests.
remember, you support a guy who said the pretty much the exact same same about those who built statues to the Klan...the problem you have is that Every point you think you are making when you take trump out of context actually applies to joe Biden, in context.
Sean, Trump deliberately minimized the nature of who organized and promoted that rally. Never of his own volition did he condemn that rally. Under tremendous pressure he read a statement on Monday decrying racism . So I will ask you a simple question. Why did he elaborate on Tuesday to the extent that he now acknowledged "fine people on both sides" ?
This was a racist white supremacist rally. It is right there in black and white. What compelled him to try and paint it as "fine people on both sides".?
Is he an idiot, or did he placate elements in his base that objected to the anti-racism statement of Monday ?
1 The marchers were fascists.
2 Trump is a fascist.
3 Fascists never say their name.
4 Fascist Trump gave cover to fascist marchers.
Not rocket science.
Some people will only hear what they want to hear, or what most of the media feeds them.
Exactly!
Trusting the message from Putin is a dangerous proposition.
Sovereign Nation, Proud Boys, American Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, White Nationalists and the many more rising from the underbelly of American society doesn't matter anymore.
1. Trumpism is in financial, ethical and legal dilemmas.
2. These ultra unpatriotic and probably foreign financed hate groups have only flames in their future.
3. A 'real' US Attorney General and Justice Department will understand the danger they present and will act accordingly.
5. Trump and the right wing are scared.
6. Truth will set us free from them.
OTOH... Bill Barr...
Proud Boys" and similar groups would be marginal non-entities if the media didn't chronically exaggerate their influence to advance a fictitious narrative -- it's such a joke that they would even be mentioned in a presidential debate
Oh just wait. It will get more absurd..........especially around these parts. Pretty sad
Explain it to the victms, Sean.
Hanged, shot, bombed, ... by the thousands.
The deadliest native terrorist action in American history...
Tell it to the victims...
please provide details of these thousands of killings.... they seem to have eluded the notice of the FBI.
Google "KKK". It's not hard.
the kkk hasn’t killed anyone this century that I can see.
Why isn’t the media panicking over left wing radicals because of their terror campaign last century too? The Galleanists are coming! The Galleanists are coming! Joe Biden must denounce them every time he opens his mouth!
Equivalence between Galleanists and KKK, Sean? Seriously?