The radical extremist danger to America was on full display this week.  The Department of Homeland Security has been warning that right-wing extremists pose the biggest threat to our democracy.  

The Department of Homeland Security has been warning that right-wing extremists pose the biggest threat to our democracy

But but, Antifa and BLM are the real problems.../s

FBI is letting every state know that there are plans but right-wing radical groups to have armed protests in all state capitols between Jan. 16 and 20th. 

The FBI isn't warning about Antifa or BLM armed "protests" planned for D.C. and all 50 state capitals.  Interesting, isn't it?

That's fake news, G....You know that it was BLM and Antifa that attacked the Capitol Building.

These crazy right wingers are trying to take down the US.

The 'president' incited the D.C. mob.  Said he'd walk with them to the Capitol, but he fled like the coward he is, back to his bunker.  

You know, we always read and hear conservative talk about socialism (90% don't understand what it is) and the radical agenda of the Democrats, but I don't ever hear them talk about what specifically is so radical. They NEVER go into detail about what specifically they are opposed to. I guess that is why I never take their opinions seriously.

I guess that is why I never take their opinions seriously.

But those with little in the way of critical thinking skills sure do.....  I.E..... the MAGAs

I don't ever hear them talk about what specifically is so radical

Oh, they do talk about it, it’s just that what they say is so radically wrong that it deserves nothing other than to be ignored.  I saw one insurgent being interviewed on the news, and she was all teary eyed complaining the cops are attacking Trump’s supporters when they’re “supposed to be attacking BLM”.  As she lamented this distressing reality her husband was comforting her, telling her don’t worry honey, it’s going to be okay.  I have no idea what they think the new normal should be after Trump is handed another term for no legitimate reason, but I suspect it involves putting to death a lot of people who don’t think like her.

Can you imagine the furious outrage that would erupt on their side if they got their wish of overturning the election based on zero credible evidence and Biden supporters were to fight back?  We would become the most violent, lawless people in the history of the US.

This interview from the Los Angeles Times is very instructive.  It is behind a paywall and I am not certain that everyone can read it, so I quoted the entire article in this comment.

latimes

‘The Turner Diaries’ didn’t just inspire the Capitol attack. It warns us what might be next

By  DORANY PINEDA STAFF WRITER

JAN. 8, 2021

In the 1978 novel “The Turner Diaries,” an underground revolutionary group of self-proclaimed patriots known as the Organization attacks the U.S. Capitol. A car bombing of FBI headquarters kills hundreds. On “The Day of the Rope,” members of the Organization publicly hang members of Congress, journalists and others they deem traitors. The goal, of course: to overthrow a federal government they believe is engaged in a vast elitist conspiracy.

When historian and author Kathleen Belew watched a   white mob   of Trump supporters   attack the U.S. Capitol   on Wednesday, leaving   five people dead , she immediately thought of the novel, partly because others have thought about it too: the white supremacists who stormed the Capitol and the law enforcement agencies that monitor them. The FBI has called “The Turner Diaries” “the bible of the racist right.”

The novel was written by   William Luther Pierce , head of the neo-Nazi group the National Alliance, under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald. “[It] imagines a successful coup by white power activists who take over a homeland, the U.S., then the world,” Belew, author of   “Bring the War Home:   The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America,” wrote Thursday in a Twitter thread explaining the connection.

One of the books most widely read and cited by extreme far-right groups like the Order and the Aryan Republican Army, “The Turner Diaries” has inspired hate crimes and terrorism in the U.S. and beyond for more than 40 years. The   Oklahoma City bombing   of 1995, which killed 168 people, bore striking similarities to events in the book.

Belew spoke with the Times on Friday about Wednesday’s attack and how it felt   to watch   one of the most infamous and virulent novels in American history come to life.

Where were you when you heard what was happening at the Capitol?

I was watching it live, anticipating that something like this might occur. From the beginning, it was clear that protesters were moving aggressively on the Capitol. We had indications from people who were watching those online chat spaces that they were planning an action. And it was clear that the mainstream reporting and the Capitol police were not responding in the way one would think. Even among experts who study this, and perhaps were not surprised by the events of Wednesday, it’s still an astounding thing to see a mob violently storm the Capitol and gain access to the building. It’s an incredibly upsetting moment.

At what point did “The Turner Diaries” come to mind?

It’s clear to anyone who studies this movement that some of the activists at Wednesday’s action were white power activists. What we’re looking at on Wednesday is sort of a broad coalition of   Trump fans   and   QAnon   believers and more extremist white power groups. But I think that “The Turner Diaries” really becomes a clear point of reference if you look at the photographs of the action. Activists erected a gallows outside the Capitol and hung up symbolic nooses. I saw another photograph of someone who had smashed a television camera and made the cord into a noose. That’s a reference to “The Day of the Rope,” the systematic hanging of lawmakers and other people they consider enemies. The “Diaries” also features very prominently an attack on Congress that is significantly not a mass casualty attack. Although there are lots of mass casualty attacks in “The Turner Diaries,” what happens at Congress is instead meant to be a show of force that a group of activists can impact even a highly secured target. So what we see there is a really clear alignment [with] the way it’s imagined in the movement.

What role does such a book play in white power movements?

“The Turner Diaries” is a novel but it’s also a manual of operations and a cultural lodestar, or center point, for white power activists. It has been since it came out in the 1970s. The novel is important not because it’s a good novel — and here I want to just remind readers never to purchase this novel new because you may inadvertently contribute money to white power groups — but because it provides an answer to a really important question to this movement: How can a small group of fringe activists wage war on a militarized superstate like the United States of America? In the novel, they put it as: “How can a gnat assassinate an elephant?”

And what it does is lay out a plan for guerrilla warfare and domestic terror that involves not only mass casualty attacks but also symbolic attacks that seek to “awaken” other white people to the cause. So that’s what we’re looking at this week. This is meant to be a symbolic strike not to tally a large body count — although certainly the casualties would’ve been a lot higher if the bombs had gone off and the Molotov cocktails deployed and the assault rifle used — but an event that will be seen as a highly symbolic victory. Activists successfully stormed the nation’s Capitol. They got into the building. They made legislators cower. They defaced offices. And they delayed the tallying of our election. They actually did carry out a really successful action this week, and I think it will be seen as a green light by many people in this movement.

The guerrilla army in the book that attempts to overthrow the government also seeks to overthrow institutions like the media. On Wednesday, journalists were assaulted and the words “Murder the media” scratched on a door. What connections did you see there?

The “Day of the Rope” — some of the targeted enemies include journalists. But part of what’s going on in the white power movement, from at least the early 1980s to the present, is that they believe in a conspiracy theory in which a group of corrupt elites controls government, banking, the media and others. Often this is imagined as Jewish elites or people of color controlling white people. Clearly, we are seeing this now morph into or at least coexist with QAnon, which also has conspiratorial beliefs about elites. That same theory unites a whole bunch of different enemies in the eyes of the movement. And that’s everybody from people of color to Jewish people to people they consider race traitors — to journalists, communists, socialists and lawmakers. They’re all on that list of targets.

What other real-world events might have been inspired by the book?

First, let me talk about how we know the novel is important to these activists. I just saw a video of   Proud Boys   telling a journalist to read “The Turner Diaries” that was going around online. It shows up everywhere. In the 1980s, there are all of these stories about people finding the book in bookstores all around the world. They kept stacks of them, not just one copy but 15 copies in the book house of one white power terrorist group. They distributed them at paramilitary training camps. Oklahoma City bomber   Timothy McVeigh   carried and read and sold the book to others on the gun show circuit. And it’s just one of those things that keeps coming up because it answers this question of how a fringe movement can exert military control on a superstate like the United States.

What was it like to watch on Wednesday, knowing the source material so well?

It’s a very strange thing. I have the unique position perhaps of not being particularly surprised, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t incredibly disheartening. What I will say is that knowing this history, it’s very clear that there is an ideological frame to what’s happening. There is a history of the recent past that explains who these activists are and what they’re trying to do, and that history can really help us make sense of what we are seeing in the present.

And what are we seeing? What can we learn that will help?

The Department of Homeland Security has been trying to tell us that white supremacist extremism is the greatest terrorist threat to the United States, that they represent an enormous danger to our democracy and to everyday people. I hope that after Wednesday, more people will heed that warning and that we can finally hold our lawmakers accountable for keeping us safe from that threat.

What role do you think President Donald Trump played in this?

I think people are putting a lot of stock in Trump’s role here, and I think it’s correct that he incited the riot and has served as the figurehead for this movement. But one thing we can learn from the history of white power activism is that there is very little reason to think he will retain any kind of coherent command over this groundswell, and I think the fact he can call these people to arms does not mean he can call them off.

 only "radical" elements America sees now are the words and actions of the Republican Party

There was another Antifa riot in Portland this week. If America doesn't "see it" its because the MSM  refuses to cover it.  One riot in Washington doesn't erase the months of left wing riots over the course of 2020, nor the Democratic politicians who supported the terrorists engaging in them. 

I do not condone the violence in Portland.  The Democratic mayor of Portland called for increased measures against those causing the damage.

The Democratic mayor of Portland called for increased measures against those causing the damage.

After joining in them, instigating and colluding with other Democrats to allow the rioters to escape any consequence for their crimes. Something like 90% of the rioters arrested in Portland have had their charges dropped by the Democratic administration in Portland.  The Democratic leadership of Portland made rioting a consequence free activity. If you actually get arrested, you get released without charges.  It made what happened in Washington  possible, a new found belief  that rioting is acceptable and consequence free. 

IF the Democratic mayors had actually enforced the laws, defensed their citizens and made punished those who destroyed their cities, the mob act

After joining in them, instigating and colluding with other Democrats to allow the rioters to escape any consequence for their crimes.

There is no collusion among Democrats Sean, if Portland could afford to jail everyone including the Proud Boys, they would.

Something like 90% of the rioters arrested in Portland have had their charges dropped

True enough. Do you know why?

by the Democratic administration in Portland.

Bullshit, most cases are handled by either the Clackamus County DA or the Multnomah County DA  neither of which have enough jail capacity and both of which were ordered by Federal courts to keep the jail population to 45% to prevent the spread of COVID.  Portland city police arrest and release about 50 people every night because it exceeds Portland's capacity to house them, so they have to rely on the Counties.  Can you feel the circular frustration of the Administrations?

  The Democratic leadership of Portland made rioting a consequence free activity.

More partisan hip hop? 

If you actually get arrested, you get released without charges.

Currently that is true with the respective DAs retaining the right to bring charges later.

  It made what happened in Washington  possible, a new found belief  that rioting is acceptable and consequence free. 

An absolute incredible lack of logic.

IF the Democratic mayors had actually enforced the laws, defensed their citizens and made punished those who destroyed their cities, the mob act

And IF Oregon had a decent income tax or any sales tax at all, maybe they could afford to build jail capacity, but they do not, and every day Oregonians have had it up to here with the State financing everything on property taxes.  They are in gridlock.

Actually, Oregon does have a state income tax, and it is among the nation's highest. so they should be able to afford it.

It's supposed to be progressive but in practice it's regressive, the people I work with in Oregon making 150 to 200 k

claim they pay nothing.  This year they are going to an 8% flat witholding for every paycheck

but not changing deductions so the rich just lend more money to the state prior to an annual refund. 

If everyone payed a true flat tax, things should improve, but there's no guarantee

and there is still COVID.

A group of inmates have brought suit over Covid, overcrowding, lack of medical etc. against the state including the Governor and Department of Corrections officials

ktvz

Since Oregon has an income tax, maybe they should look to actually collect it.

Maybe they should put sales tax in, too.

But I bet Oregonians would scream bloody murder.

It's all about priorities anyways, so if the state wants more prisons, it will build them. I don't believe for one second it is because of a lack of funding that they don't have sufficient prisons. It is more likely a lack of will.

I'm so tired of the whataboutism of the actual protests by the BLM and others.  That shtick is worn out.  I'm sick to death of it.  

were they trying to certify the results of a presidential election in a joint session of congress there too?

Yeah I am definitely more worried about what happened in Washington than I am Portland. Arrest those responsible and charge them, all that jazz.

There was another Antifa riot in Portland this week.

After the police shot & killed another unarmed man wanted for domestic violence.

There is absolutely nothing radical or extreme about protesting racial inequality, social injustice and a culture of police brutality in America. There is nothing radical or extreme about speaking out for gender equality and women's rights. There is nothing radical or extreme about advocating for universal healthcare coverage. There is nothing radical or extreme about supporting action to address the growing threat of climate change. There is nothing radical or extreme about wanting corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. There is nothing radical or extreme about embracing the need for gun reform in the wake of mass shootings. There is nothing radical or extreme about wearing a mask and social distancing amid a global pandemic that has taken the lives of more than 365,000 Americans.

A remarkably good series of sentences , with acknowledgement that some things are just a given .  

"There is nothing radical or extreme about wearing a mask and social distancing amid a global pandemic that has taken the lives of more than 365,000 Americans."

Probably the worst position "conservatives" have taken this year. Tragic really. 

The riots over the summer are based on a lie, namely that police are predatorily seeking out and murdering unarmed blacks across the country. That's simply not true, as more Americans are killed by cows then unarmed Americans are killed by police. Yet the lie, stoked by Democratic politicians who incited the riots and worked to free arrested terrorists led to dozens of deaths, hundreds of injuries to police,  and hundreds of millions in property damage. 

It's just as much a myth as the election being stolen. 

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When was the last time you were pulled over for driving while white Sean?

Institutional racism within law enforcement has a long and well documented history.  You saying that it doesn't exist is just that .

I'm sure the families of the dozens of people  killed in the riots would appreciate you making light of their deaths..   

I'm sure you can name each of those 'dozens' of people killed in 'the riots'.

Your whataboutism and false equivalencies are so tiresome.  

No one is making light of it Sean, it's pointing out the stupidity of your trying to deflect and compare the riots with the assault on the Capitol and the seat of our government. It wasn't Antifa or BLM as you well know. It was white supremacists. Now the FBI is warning all states that there will be armed protests at all 50 state capitals and it's all the right-wing groups. 

No one I've seen on NT is saying the riots was just fine. If you think I did you better well post my comment showing that, other than that go play squirrel with someone else.

Who Incited The D.C. Mob?

Maybe somebody should ask them. I would guess their motivation came from multiple sources.

The 'president' did.  

STAND BACK AND STAND BY

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. 

Here's the difference in how the police treat BLM and tRump's mob

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[deleted] Is this your version of Law and Order?

Here is another one showing both a video and a still of an officer laying face down and being beaten by the right-wing nut cases this may be the officer that died. The Republican version of Law and Order.

The tRump mob beat an officer to death and trampled several other people.

tRump said they were low class and he would know

What does this have to do with the claim that Biden's mob supporters have been treated different?

What trolling bullshit?   Have there been no mobs of Biden supporters for almost an entire year that the police just let them kill 30 citizens, commit billions of dollars in property damage, killed one police officer and injured countless other officers.

What happened to this police officer is mob violence and I hope those involved are prosecuted but the police where out numbered  For the Biden supporters the Democrat Mayors ordered the police to stand down giving Biden's BLM mobs permission to kill, destroy, loot, and injure.   Pretty sickening that you would even attempt to excuse the actions of the Democrats running those cities to the horrible beating of this officer.

Check yourself before making false accusations about others.

Is this your version of Law and Order Kavika?

Yes, total trolling bullshit.  There are NO "Biden mobs".  Your comment is insane.  There is NO reality coming from Trumpists, and none expected at this point.  Unfortunately, we will have to continue to live with their perversion of the truth.

To the people who were comments removed as no value, please stop. Only warning. Tickets given out next time.

Check yourself before making false accusations about others.

Practice what you preach, Sunshine. 

Check yourself before making false accusations about others.

Is insurrection your idea of law and order, Sunshine. 

Both your comments are delusional, but not surprising.

[deleted.BLM] and their fascist mobs are not Trump supporters.  

Reality does escape some.

Your comments are delusional, and not surprised you blame cops for their own deaths and injuries at the Capitol...sad.

Violence is violence and it has to stop. Whether it’s at the capital or on the streets. 

Exactly Kathleen, unfortunately some want to turn the violence into a political advantage by claiming the Capital Police are compromised.

What a horrible thing to say about the Capitol Police.  Disgusting.

and not surprised you blame cops for their own deaths and injuries at the Capitol...sad.

That comment isn't reality based, but hey it's all you got.

HIS MOM SAYS

He's probably still breastfeeding and really misses his mommy.

he'll be sucking something else in prison ...

His mommy says his tummy gets really upset when he goes without food.  

Domestic terrorist demands organic food