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Column: The Dr. Seuss 'cancel culture' backlash is a distraction. Here's the real issue

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  john-russell  •  3 years ago  •  48 comments

By:   Mary McNamara (MSN)

Column: The Dr. Seuss 'cancel culture' backlash is a distraction. Here's the real issue
What's wrong with having a few illustrations of random Asian characters with lines for eyes, wearing conical hats and carrying bowls of rice, or of African men who look barely human, sprinkled throughout a children's book? It's not like kids learn how to view other people and the world around them through books or anything. They learn from their parents, and if their parents believe that "inscrutable" is a perfectly legitimate way to describe an Asian person, or that no truck is complete...

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On Tuesday, "cancel culture" was officially promoted to "outlaw culture," which definitely would sound way cooler if it weren't so maddeningly ridiculous and offensively dangerous.

The upgrade came courtesy of California's own Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Bakersfield). Arguing against a Democratic measure to expand voting rights, the House minority leader was in the midst of accusing Democrats of wanting to strip states and counties of their ability to control elections when he added, apropos of absolutely nothing, "First they outlaw Dr. Seuss and then they want to tell us what to say."

What Dr. Seuss has to do with voting rights is nothing at all. Like so many conservatives these days, McCarthy was just randomly shoving the notion of cancel culture into the mix to get his compatriots all riled up.

McCarthy could have been referring to President Biden's failure to name-check Dr. Seuss in his Read Across America Day proclamation. Coinciding with the author's birthday, Read Across America Day was for many years a joint enterprise with the National Education Assn. and Dr. Seuss Enterprises, but that partnership ended in 2018 and a year later, the Seuss brand was dimmed somewhat by a 2019 study that found the humans in his books to be overwhelmingly white; those who were not were often depicted in a racially disparaging manner.

Likewise, McCarthy might have been referencing false reports that public schools in Virginia's Loudoun County had banned the books of Dr. Seuss, which they had not.

Most probably the reason McCarthy decided to throw this "first they came for the Cat in the Hat" bomb into his argument regarding voting rights was the announcement Tuesday by Dr. Seuss Enterprises that it would no longer be publishing six of the author's less popular books because they contain offensive racial depictions.

It is possible that McCarthy genuinely cannot imagine a world without brand new editions of "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street" or "If I Ran the Zoo," but there is no denying that the illustrations in those books of a Chinese man and two African men, respectively, are horrendously racist.

There is also no denying that none of the recent Seuss-related developments could in any way be considered "outlawing Dr. Seuss."

Honestly, it is a tiny bit worrisome when an actual lawmaker so obviously does not understand the definition of the word law. Dr. Seuss Enterprises is legally entitled to do whatever it wants with the books it controls, just as the NEA is legally allowed to list whatever books it chooses for Read Across America Day. Read them or don't read them; no one is going to get arrested for clinging to a copy of "If I Ran the Zoo."

In terms of literacy promotion, I don't think anyone in the world needs to be reminded on a yearly basis that "The Cat in the Hat" and "Green Eggs and Ham" are childhood classics. Which, for the record, no one is denying.

McCarthy was not the only conservative to deploy Dr. Seuss, who publicly regretted his early works that involved racist or cultural stereotypes, as the latest weapon in the right's ongoing battle against "cancel culture." This is a fight that many Republicans are blatantly promoting as the best way to reclaim power, so of course the good folks at Fox News were happy to weigh in. During several conversations there, Biden was accused of trying to "erase" Dr. Seuss from the literary lexicon (per impossibile) and liberals in general were repeatedly condemned for banishing Seuss to a cultural gulag alongside Mr. Potato Head (recently renamed Potato Head), "The Muppet Show" (to which Disney+ recently added an offensive-content disclaimer for a handful of episodes), Aunt Jemima (the brand now known as the Pearl Milling Company) and, one assumes, Little Black Sambo (rewritten, re-illustrated and renamed several times).

While Barack Obama once warned of an overzealous "cancel culture" and many liberals signed the infamous Harper's letter, no one these days loves the phrase more than conservatives, who use it as a one-size-fits-all label for what they consider the left's ongoing attempt to strip "America" from "American."

Which honestly tells you all you need to know about what certain conservatives consider "American." The right to be openly racist, obviously. I mean, what's wrong with whipping up a batch of pancakes from a box that features a smiling Black woman, named and accessorized in a way to evoke a racist stereotype? Who doesn't like pancakes?

What's wrong with having a few illustrations of random Asian characters with lines for eyes, wearing conical hats and carrying bowls of rice, or of African men who look barely human, sprinkled throughout a children's book? It's not like kids learn how to view other people and the world around them through books or anything. They learn from their parents, and if their parents believe that "inscrutable" is a perfectly legitimate way to describe an Asian person, or that no truck is complete without a flag symbolizing the attempt by certain states to destroy this country in the name of preserving slavery — well, freedom of speech is in the Constitution.

And as long as the cancel-culturistas are on the subject, what's wrong with saying the n-word, in certain contexts arbitrarily determined to be appropriate by white people who want to say it? Some guy at the New York Times apparently was forced to leave because he said it, after one of the rich high school snowflakes on some expensive Times-sponsored trip asked a question referencing the word. And while working for the liberal media is pretty inexcusable, ousting the guy doesn't seem fair at all. It's just a word, isn't it? Black people use it all the time — and if Black people can use it and white people can't, well, that's just another form of racism.

First they outlaw Dr. Seuss and then they tell us what not to say.

Look, I am a white person raised in the United States of America, albeit by fairly liberal parents, and I can say from personal experience that it is very hard and disappointing to realize that beloved books, music, movies and brand packaging once considered perfectly acceptable were and are in fact racist, sexist, homo/transphobic or otherwise offensive. That many of these "classics" were and are tools used, intentionally or unconsciously, to reinforce stereotypes that have allowed one group to dehumanize and dominate other less powerful and less privileged groups in many ways and for far too long.

I loved "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street" as a child, and though I can't remember noticing the Asian character in it, that's probably because, unfortunately, offensive caricatures of all sorts of people were considered perfectly normal when I was a child ... and a teenager ... and a young adult. The Asian character, or the African ones in "If I Ran the Zoo," didn't register because their portrayals were consistent with much of what I saw in the culture around me. A culture that was just beginning to realize that pickaninny dolls and "Whites Only" signs were not only unacceptable but two facets of the same problem.

It's disturbing and mortifying to realize that those Butterfly McQueen-as-Prissy imitations I did as a child were completely and horribly racist, or that Charlie Chan, whom I also adored, was a double-edged sword. Yes, he was one of a very few Asian characters allowed to be a hero lead, but only when saddled with a welter of stereotypical traits. Turns out that "Ah-so, No. 1 son" is not something Chinese people actually said; who knew? Well, every Chinese person in America, for starters.

But being embarrassed or feeling threatened or deprived of a beloved object when the offensiveness of certain images, stories or words is pointed out doesn't give you an excuse to perpetuate or even defend them. Neither embarrassment nor that kind of deprivation is on par with the pain of living in a society that continually presents demeaning versions of people who look like you. Failing to realize that something you enjoy or take for granted is racist doesn't necessarily make you a racist; but doubling down and getting all defensive after this racism has been pointed out — well, now, in the words of my faith, you are sinning with full knowledge of the sin.

So why do so many Americans remain deeply committed to preserving words and images and symbols that inarguably are associated with forces bent on preventing millions of their fellow citizens from living freely and equally as Americans?

No doubt some actually believe the stereotype, or think it's funny and harmless and that "those people" just need to get a sense of humor. Some may be simply unwilling to let the needs of others modify their behavior in any way, and some may be lashing out at a rapidly changing culture with whatever tool is handy.

But if you're willing to die on the hill of the line-eyed, conical-hat-wearing Asian guy in "Mulberry Street," you really need to ask yourself why. And don't say you're protecting the legacy of Dr. Seuss, because the people whose job it is to protect the legacy of Dr. Seuss made the decision to retire that depiction.

Too often, the term "cancel culture" is simply a way to short-circuit arguments that would involve defending the indefensible, a sleight of hand that shifts criticism away from an offense to those who find it offensive. Don't see this as Dr. Seuss Enterprise attempting to acknowledge the potential pain caused by racist images in certain books, see it as the liberal mob attempting to cancel "One Fish, Two Fish" and everything else this country once held dear.

The cry of "cancel culture!" is too often used as a trip-wire response to combat any suggestion that our culture has not yet fulfilled its founding precept that "all men are created equal" with schoolyard taunts of "you're just a crybaby" and "you can't tell me what to do."

First they dragged Dr. Seuss into an argument against voters' rights and then they told us that we could not object to what they were saying.

In other words, the only person who attempted to "erase" Dr. Seuss this week was Kevin McCarthy.

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

There have been a lot of stupid tangents that the political right gets on, but this one about trying to preserve racist drawings by Dr Seuss is right near the top of the heap. 

First of all the drawings are obviously offensive, a relic from the days when Abbott and Costello were running from African cannibals in their 1930's comedy movies. Dr Seuss drew something that represented human beings looking like apes. That is not an acceptable image in 2021.  Why we have to "discuss" this is inexplicable. 

Secondly, the six books were "canceled" by the Seuss organization itself, not by a group of outside liberals.

This is a "controversy" only because "cancel culture" is all the Republicans have to complain about. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)    3 years ago

I only ask why this has become such an issue within the past few years? All of these things existed while Obama was in office, right? If he'd been offended by it, wouldn't all of this had taken place while he was in office? While yes, historically speaking, the depiction on things mentioned are inherently racist; I still ask, why now and not 10 years ago?

For the record, I've never read either of the two referenced Dr. Seuss books, but then again, I always thought most Dr. Seuss books were ridiculous. My favorite two books as a kid were by Golden Books; "Where is the Bear" and "Cars and Trucks," and I still have them both.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2    3 years ago

I don't have the specifics, but I think Dr Seuss has been discussed "behind the scenes" for the racist images going back some years. Why it came to a head in 2021 I dont know. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.1.1  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 years ago

Okay. Thanks for answering. I really don't know about discussions behind the scenes regarding children's books.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.1    3 years ago

Here is something with an explanation

Dr. Seuss Books Are Pulled, and a ‘Cancel Culture’ Controversy Erupts (msn.com)

Dr. Seuss is perhaps the most beloved children’s book author to come under criticism for outdated and insensitive depictions of racial, ethnic, cultural and gender differences.

In recent decades, librarians and scholars have led a push to re-evaluate children’s classics that contain stereotypes and caricatures. Editions of illustrated series like “Tintin” and “Babar,” which have long been accused of promoting colonialist and imperialist viewpoints, have been withdrawn from some libraries following criticism that their European authors depicted nonwhite characters as savages.

Children’s publishers and literary estates are trying to walk a delicate line by preserving an author’s legacy, while recognizing and rejecting aspects of a writer’s work that are out of step with current social and cultural values.

Some authors self-edited their work in response to criticism. In the 1970s, Roald Dahl revised “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory,” which originally depicted the factory workers as dark-skinned pygmies from Africa. After facing charges of racism from the N.A.A.C.P., Dahl made the workers Oompa Loompas from a fictional country called Loompaland. The revision failed to appease those who contend that the Oompa Loompas are essentially indentured servants, and other critiques of some of Dahl’s works, like “The Witches,” which many regard as anti-Semitic, have endured.

Occasionally, publishers have made tweaks to illustrations and texts to refurbish outdated picture books. Fans of Richard Scarry, the prolific children’s book author and illustrator, have noted ongoing updates to his works to erase archaic gender roles and racial stereotypes. Over the decades, his books, which have sold more than 160 million copies, have been revised to better reflect gender equality, so that a bear “policeman” became a female bear “police officer,” and a mother cat pushing a stroller became a father cat. Later editions also sought to eliminate racial stereotypes, for example, by deleting an image of an “Indian” mouse in a feathered headdress next to an ice cream cone to illustrate the letter “I.”

In rare instances, works have been taken out of circulation.      Hergé   ’s “Tintin in the Congo,” which is no longer widely available in the United States, became part of a controversy called “Tintingate” about a decade ago after librarians and booksellers in the United States and Britain removed the book from children’s sections. More recently, some new children’s books have come under scrutiny for insensitive or inaccurate depictions of race, sometimes leading them to be postponed, or even recalled and pulped. In 2016, Scholastic pulled a picture book, “A Birthday Cake for George Washington,” from stores after critics said it glossed over the horrors of slavery.

Many were stunned by the Seuss estate’s decision, however, which was announced on Tuesday to coincide with Dr. Seuss’s birthday.      In a statement   , Dr. Seuss Enterprises said it decided to discontinue those six titles last year, after consulting a panel of experts, including educators, to review its catalog.

Geisel, who      died in 1991   , is best known for whimsical picture books like “Green Eggs and Ham” and “The Cat in the Hat,” as well as works with ethical and moral imperatives to treat others with kindness and care for the planet, like “Horton Hears a Who!” and “The Lorax.”

Scholars have long noted racism in his wartime political cartoons, which he later offered a halfhearted apology for, saying they were the result of “snap judgments that every political cartoonist has to make.” Others have noted anti-Semitic and Islamophobic overtones in the comics and advertisements he wrote before and during his career as a children’s book author.

Scrutiny of his picture books has started to gain momentum more recently. In his 2017 book titled “Was the Cat in the Hat Black?: The Hidden Racism of Children’s Literature, and the Need for Diverse Books,” Mr. Nel, the Kansas State University professor, made the case that the beloved character had roots in blackface minstrelsy. In 2019, an academic journal dedicated to the study of diversity in children’s literature published “   The Cat Is Out of the Bag: Orientalism, Anti-Blackness, and White Supremacy in Dr. Seuss’s Children’s Books,”       a paper examining racism and bias in Dr. Seuss’s books.

The authors,    Katie Ishizuka    and    Ramón Stephens   ,    argued that much of Dr. Seuss’s work exhibited racism or bias against Black, Asian, Mexican, Native American and Jewish people, as well as women and other groups.
 
 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.1.3  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 years ago

Thanks. Interesting read.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    3 years ago

What is really happening is a concerted effort to revitalize segregation.  The racial mix in the United States is being separated into distinct populations with unique characteristics.  Civil rights has devolved into a separate but equal narrative that cannot unify people.

Cancel culture, or whatever moniker is chosen, is really about dividing and partitioning America into clearly defined groups that do not share beliefs, values, or aspirations.  The inevitable end of this path will be violent conflict.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @4    3 years ago

NYET!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Nerm_L @4    3 years ago

Cancel culture, or whatever moniker is chosen, is really about dividing and partitioning America into clearly defined groups that do not share beliefs, values, or aspirations.  The inevitable end of this path will be violent conflict.

I think the word you’re looking for is gerrymandering.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nerm_L @4    3 years ago

Or it is encouraging people not to be assholes publicly. But pick your interpretation I guess.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.3    3 years ago

Some people feel that they have a god given right to be a complete prick 24/7/365

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5  Hal A. Lujah    3 years ago

Ted Cruz is just upset that he has to find a new book at his reading level to filibuster with.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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5.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5    3 years ago

lol that was so dumb, and then he didn’t even comprehend the meaning of what he read.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6  Tacos!    3 years ago
What Dr. Seuss has to do with voting rights is nothing at all. Like so many conservatives these days, McCarthy was just randomly shoving the notion of cancel culture into the mix to get his compatriots all riled up.

For a topic not worthy of our attention, this article sure focuses on it a lot.

the Seuss brand was dimmed somewhat by a 2019 study that found the humans in his books to be overwhelmingly white

This observation should be filed under "Who gives a shit?" The fact that it is being employed as part of the argument justifying the anti-Seuss movement deprives that movement of credibility. It's injected here to make the argument that Dr. Seuss is racist generally . I think that's wildly unfair, but then the old man isn't here to defend himself, so people can say whatever they want and it's fine.

there is no denying that the illustrations in those books of a Chinese man and two African men, respectively, are horrendously racist

And thus endeth the discussion before it even begins. The writer has already declared there is no denying it. So, don't bother trying to question the assertion or you, too, will be labeled as "horrendously racist."

McCarthy might have been referencing false reports that public schools in Virginia's Loudoun County had banned the books of Dr. Seuss, which they had not.

Or he might have been referring to this public library , which is removing the books.

Barack Obama once warned of an overzealous "cancel culture"

Yeah. And it's worth remembering what he said about it:

This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff. You should get over that quickly. The world is messy, there are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws.
But if you're willing to die on the hill of the line-eyed, conical-hat-wearing Asian guy in "Mulberry Street," you really need to ask yourself why.

Why is it that only one side is making too big a deal of it while the other side is being totally reasonable? Why does one side get to say "this picture is horrendously racist" and no one else is allowed to ask "are you sure? Is that really true?"

I hate to have to point out something everyone knows, but the conical hat is a real thing in East Asian cultures.

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It's not racist to draw a picture of someone that reflects the way they really look. Of course any person in a Dr. Seuss book is a caricature of the real thing (even the white people), so don't expect photorealism.

and then they told us that we could not object to what they were saying

Look in the mirror. That's exactly what the author of this column is doing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 years ago
And thus endeth the discussion before it even begins. The writer has already declared there is no denying it. So, don't bother trying to question the assertion or you, too, will be labeled as "horrendously racist."

One of the drawings depicts african men depicted in the same style that apes are depicted in cartoons. This is not debatable. Do you think we should have childrens books with this type of illustration ? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    3 years ago
This is not debatable.

Another comment that makes it clear that thoughtful discussion or challenge will not be accepted.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    3 years ago
One of the drawings depicts african men depicted in the same style that apes are depicted in cartoons.

There is a possibility that when people see an ape in a cartoon drawing of a black man, it is the viewer who is the racist, and not the artist. But I would be surprised if you considered that possibility.

 
 
 
zuksam
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6.1.4  zuksam  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    3 years ago
One of the drawings depicts african men depicted in the same style that apes are depicted in cartoons. This is not debatable.

It couldn't be that they are Ape like creatures dressed in styles similar to what many native cultures around the world have worn not just Blacks. I think the problem might be with the people who look at a picture of an Ape in a Grass Skirt and see a Black Person. Within the context of the Seuss Universe with so many Characters that are just more evolved representations of earthly creatures seeing Ape like creatures wearing native style garb and acting more evolved really doesn't seem that strange.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.2    3 years ago

The excuse factory is at top speed. 

It's has been hard for me to find a high quality image of this online, but nonetheless we can see , with a minimal of discernment, that this drawing depicts Africans with the same sort of facial features that are used to depict apes.

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The eyes, the nose and the mouth are similar to the way monkeys or apes are drawn. 

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This is NOT debatable. 

Someone can say they dont care, that is their right. But they cannot say that it is not what it obviously is. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.1    3 years ago

Funny, all you seem to have is twisting and spinning and then more twisting and spinning . . . . . . . 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.5    3 years ago
This is NOT debatable. 

JR has spoken! Those who disagree will be publicly shamed. So let it be written. So let it be done.

Let me know if debate is allowed again.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.6    3 years ago
Funny, all you seem to have is twisting and spinning and then more twisting and spinning . . . . . . .

And "comments" like this are all you have.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.7    3 years ago

JR hasnt spoken, the image has spoken. Do you seriously want to debate if those figures were drawn to suggest the same way monkeys and apes are drawn?  I hope not. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    3 years ago
Do you seriously want to debate

Not if it's against the rules, no of course not.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.10    3 years ago

Just address the image, not your grievances. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.11    3 years ago
Just address the image

I did. But then you said there was no debate. So am I allowed to express a different opinion than you or not?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @6.1.14    3 years ago

Why do you ask the stupidest questions?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 years ago

As far as being a topic of attention, while I was at the gym yesterday they had Fox on one of the TVs, they were babbling about dr Seuss for 50 straight minutes. 

When you all stop whining about it no one will have to make counter arguments.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2    3 years ago
while I was at the gym yesterday

Whaaaat? Must be nice. Mixing with people indoors. Slobbering your germs on each other. My gym hasn't been open for a year. I finally just built one in my garage. No Fox News, though.

When you all stop whining about it

Don't look at me. I'm not the one seeding stories about it. That'd be JR. 

All I have said is that sometimes a thing isn't as bad as people say it is. And I don't accept that it is bad just because someone with an agenda says so. But in the world of woke outrage orthodoxy, "it's not debatable."

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6.2.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.1    3 years ago

Ummm, not sure what kind of “gym” you were going to, but I do t think we are talking about the same thing.

Meh, Vic won’t shut up about it. I honestly don’t give a shit about dr Seuss books and my kids have kinda made me hate them since they watched the Cat in the Hat movie about 100 times. Some of the books had some racist pics in them I guess, so redraw them or and print, or don’t. I don’t care either way.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.2    3 years ago
Some of the books had some racist pics in them I guess

I think people should be more open-minded about this. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Dr. Seuss. Art has longe been understood to be in the eye of the beholder, but the text of his books demonstrate that he was about as anti-racist as they come.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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7  Thrawn 31    3 years ago

I have a hard time believing that all these people here crying and whining actually give a shit about Dr. Seuss. This is so not a big deal that if the company not announced they were pulling those books not a single one of the cry babies here would have ever noticed.

 
 

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