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Radical Conservatism Is Killing American Religion

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  3 years ago  •  53 comments

By:   David Atkins (Washington Monthly)

Radical Conservatism Is Killing American Religion
Religion could find a footing even in a socially liberal world where science and technology have supplanted so much of what was previously the mystery of the divine. Young generations beset by existential environmental and economic crises in the face of an intransigent political system have little secular grounding for hope in the future. Faith could provide some irrational courage in the face of despair, much as it has done for President Biden.

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How right-wing religious leaders are trying to conquer the world even if it means losing their souls.

byDavid Atkins June 19, 2021 | 3:49 AM Political Animal AP19365764675876-scaled.jpg

Religious leaders pray with President Donald Trump after he signed a proclamation for a national day of prayer to occur on Sunday, September 3, 2017, in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)

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American organized religion is facing a downward spiral crisis of its own creation. The latest effort by conservative Catholic bishops to use abortion as a cudgel to deny President Biden communion is a perfect example of this self-sabotage:


The Roman Catholic bishops of the United States, flouting a warning from the Vatican, have overwhelmingly voted to draft guidance on the sacrament of the Eucharist, advancing a push by conservative bishops to deny President Biden communion because of his support of abortion rights.
The decision, made public on Friday afternoon, is aimed at the nation's second Catholic president, perhaps the most religiously observant commander in chief since Jimmy Carter, and exposes bitter divisions in American Catholicism. It capped three days of contentious debate at a virtual June meeting of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. The measure was approved by a vote of 73 percent in favor and 24 percent opposed.

It's honestly astonishing. President Biden is devout Catholic who attends church with uncommon regularity. He wears his faith on his sleeve and uses it to guide his moral decisions. He has suffered personal tragedies that would break many people, and somehow maintained an almost maddening optimism about America, his fellow human beings (even his Republican opponents) and the Divine itself. A religious organization suffering dramatic declines that was serious about maintaining its influence on this earth should be elated to have such a person as arguably the most powerful person in the world.

But not the leadership of the Roman Catholic bishops, which stands well to the political right of the laity. They aligned themselves strongly with Donald Trump, one of the most personally reprobate men imaginable, an inveterate avoider of church with a personality so far from that of the textual Jesus Christ that conservative Christians had to rationalize their support for him as an "imperfect vessel" or a modern-day Cyrus—the unbeliever who nonetheless helped the faithful. It would be difficult to imagine a more cruel, mean-spirited, narcissistic and vainglorious person than Trump, a more perfect icon of the seven deadly sins.

They took no action to attempt to sanction Trump despite his offensive personality and his heresies on nearly every point of Christian doctrine in the New Testament-including, notably, the death penalty. But they've decided to draw the line against Biden on abortion , an issue that famously does not actually appear in the Bible and requires tortured textual interpretations to justify doctrinal enforcement. This despite the fact that Catholics split their votes for Biden and Trump almost evenly.

The decision by the bishops to take greater offense to a fellow Catholic over abortion than, say, the abuse of migrant children or the the state murder of prisoners by a grinning philanderer illustrates their real motivations. The bishops are not acting in the interest of their faith or their flock; they're acting as agents of the warped moral morass that is American Conservatism, Inc. They are prioritizing control of women's bodies over every other spiritual or secular importance. In so doing, they are rapidly alienating at least half of what remains of the American church's adherents.

Relatedly, protestant pastors are struggling to control the growth of QAnon conspiracies in their congregations. The QAnon cult is partly just the latest gloss on Satanic panic and Great Awakening movements in the past. But it is also a form of apostasy, a bizarre heretical substitution of Donald Trump for the avenging Jesus of the Book of Revelation, come to punish the wicked in a fallen world, vindicate the ostracized true believers, and usher in the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. In the case of the Q faithful, the flaming sword of Jesus wreaking havoc against the devotees of the Antichrist has been replaced with the mass executions of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and fellow liberals at Gitmo by secret military tribunals.

Much like the conservative Catholic bishops, QAnon adherents substitute their profane racial and sexual insecurities and temporal partisan allegiances for authentic spiritual connection and compassion. But the pastors of America's white evangelical churches largely have only themselves the blame: they have allowed their culture to become dominated by the hard right with little pushback. White evangelical America is now a very distinct subculture on social and economic issues from most of the rest of America, including even other Americans of faith. It was only a matter of time before lashing their beliefs to the altar of partisan culture wars would end up with the sacrifice of their faith itself to the golden idol of Donald Trump.

It is no surprise, then, that an increasingly progressive America has recoiled in horror, fleeing churches and abandoning the religious organizations that have set themselves squarely at war with multicultural democracy.

Religion could find a footing even in a socially liberal world where science and technology have supplanted so much of what was previously the mystery of the divine. Young generations beset by existential environmental and economic crises in the face of an intransigent political system have little secular grounding for hope in the future. Faith could provide some irrational courage in the face of despair, much as it has done for President Biden.

But that would require religious leaders to abandon the American revanchist conservative project. For the time being, however, it appears they would prefer to take a Hail Mary pass at an authoritarian theocracy to gain the world even if it means losing their soul—and their faithful—in the bargain.



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago
the pastors of America's white evangelical churches largely have only themselves the blame: they have allowed their culture to become dominated by the hard right with little pushback. White evangelical America is now a very distinct subculture on social and economic issues from most of the rest of America, including even other Americans of faith. It was only a matter of time before lashing their beliefs to the altar of partisan culture wars would end up with the sacrifice of their faith itself to the golden idol of Donald Trump.
 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
It was only a matter of time before lashing their beliefs to the altar of partisan culture wars would end up with the sacrifice of their faith itself to the golden idol of Donald Trump.

Where is Charlton Heston when you need him?

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Sparty On
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2  Sparty On    3 years ago

John, as is usually the case, you got that inverted.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @2    3 years ago

oh look, the ghost of fascism past...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @2.1    3 years ago

One would think you would've fixed that project problem by now but alas ...... you haven't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2    3 years ago

Deflection, projection and denial - still all you got sparky?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    3 years ago

You know why the American bishops didn't go after trmp? He wasn't Catholic. And somehow, I think that man would have gotten away with all of his bullshit if he were Catholic because he was anti-choice. They would have overlooked the numerous marriages and divorces, the adultery, the blasphemy and sacrilege even if he were Catholic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    3 years ago

Unfortunately some Catholic bishops are ultra conservative, although there are also some who are not. 

On the local parish level my impression is that parish priests and pastors are generally more liberal or moderate. I know my parish pastor and priests are. 

There are many many liberals and progressives in the Catholic community, but unfortunately some of the leaders of the Church are not. 

The head of the Archdiocese of Chicago , Cardinal Blase Cupich, is a liberal. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    3 years ago

the papists should probably keep their heads down and stfu, unless they think they can afford the attrition...

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4  Gordy327    3 years ago

Considering most Americans identify and/or follow a particular religion, I highly doubt religion in America is in danger of being "killed." But one can always hope I suppose.

 
 
 
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Gordy327
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4.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @4.1    3 years ago

While that's a good thing, it's still a far cry to say religion in the US is being killed.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @4.1    3 years ago

Yeah, well, too many at one time. They're messing with my Sunday brunch plans. Nobody's going to church and everybody's going to the Purple Onion for a fritatta and a Bloody Mary!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.1    3 years ago

While that's a good thing, it's still a far cry to say religion in the US is being killed.

I completely agree. But, it's a start. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.2    3 years ago
Nobody's going to church and everybody's going to the Purple Onion for a fritatta and a Bloody Mary!

When I was a kid, my parents would take me and go to church, then to food. Had a hotel in town that had a huge spread every sunday. Every breakfast food imaginable on the buffet. $4.00 as I recall, all you can shovel in yer pie hole. Damn good food. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.3    3 years ago
But, it's a start. 

Every little bit helps.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gordy327 @4    3 years ago
Considering most Americans identify and/or follow a particular religion, I highly doubt religion in America is in danger of being "killed."

I think they're just deathly afraid of their influence over the government and policy waning. They used to be large and in charge and essentially unquestioned. Now the old white Christian Patriarchy is experiencing severe erosion and when they try and influence politics and policy they get pushback and even occasional contempt. Since our founding Christianity has really only seen the establishment clause as keeping government out of religion, it's never seen it as keeping religion out of government. Only now are some taking that seriously and that has caused apoplectic panic among religious leaders.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2    3 years ago

I've actually had people tell me that separation is only supposed to keep government out of religion and not religion out of government. Which sort of defeats the entire purpose of separation. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2    3 years ago

I don't know why they even have a say, in ANYTHING.

 
 
 
JBB
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5  JBB    3 years ago

Why would anyone of good faith ever want to be assassinated with such hateful lying hypocrites?

If that is not how rightwing fundamentalists see themselves, they need to change their evil ways...

Because, they are coming off as intolerant jerks!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5    3 years ago
Why would anyone of good faith ever want to be assassinated with such hateful lying hypocrites?

Why would anyone want to be "assassinated" with anyone?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    3 years ago

I'm certain JBB meant "associated". If he's using autocorrect that's probably what came up.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.1    3 years ago

I am sure you are correct. I just had to laugh at the way it read and I was just ribbing.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.2    3 years ago

I don't believe that you are close enough to JBB to "rib" him. You would have been better off just leaving the whole thing alone

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.3    3 years ago
You would have been better off just leaving the whole thing alone

Oh so no sense of humor allowed. [deleted]

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.4    3 years ago

Pffft! If we were any closer we'd be in back of each other.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.2    3 years ago

Sure you were!  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6  Hal A. Lujah    3 years ago

So Catholics are going to deny Biden the Eucharist because he is not explicitly pro-life?  I guess they need to apply that standard to all Catholics then.  On the plus side, there will now be enough unused Jesus wafers to feed a small starving country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

This article is not about whether or not God exists or whether religion has any worth. 

Please stay on topic. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8  Tacos!    3 years ago
It is no surprise, then, that an increasingly progressive America has recoiled in horror, fleeing churches and abandoning the religious organizations that have set themselves squarely at war with multicultural democracy.

Religion could find a footing even in a socially liberal world where science and technology have supplanted so much of what was previously the mystery of the divine. Young generations beset by existential environmental and economic crises in the face of an intransigent political system have little secular grounding for hope in the future. Faith could provide some irrational courage in the face of despair, much as it has done for President Biden.

I tend to agree. There is a notorious lack of grace on the religious Right. When church leaders are constantly urging their flocks to be angry or afraid of this or that group of people in the world, they should not be surprised that it gets harder and harder to fill the pews. Church has transformed from a place that grants peace and comfort to one that inspires anger and anxiety.

 
 
 
evilone
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9  evilone    3 years ago

Didn't the Pope tell the US Bishops to STFU? 

The Vatican's top enforcer of doctrine has sent a warning to U.S. bishops about a potential proposal by some conservative clergy to deny communion to Catholic elected officials who support legislation allowing abortion.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @9    3 years ago

Good for the Pope!

 
 
 
Kavika
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9.2  Kavika   replied to  evilone @9    3 years ago

You have to wonder how the US Bishops justify this. What are they going to do to members of their flock that support abortion or have an abortion. Will they have to fill out an affidavit when they pass the platter on Sundays?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @9.2    3 years ago

They don't know unless you confess it. Most people aren't going to confess their true beliefs in the confessional. I never did. I thought about it, but I didn't want to get into a theological debate with someone who probably has a pHD in theology.

 
 
 
Kavika
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9.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.1    3 years ago

So in essence the Bishops are trying a political play without addressing the members of their flocks that are sinners in believing in abortion or having an abortion.

Sounds about right for the Church.

 
 
 
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9.2.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika @9.2.2    3 years ago

The Catholic church is making a huge hypocritical mess of itself, especially since the Pope himself said there would be no banning of communion.

The Vatican cautioned American bishops against denying communion to politicians, including President Biden, over their support for abortion rights.

The New York Times reported Pope Francis has warned that communion can’t be used as a political weapon by Catholic bishops. Biden is the second Catholic president in U.S. history, following President John F. Kennedy.

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) will convene their three-day June General Assembly starting on Wednesday and are expected to force debate and a vote on the issue of communion, despite the pope’s warning.

So I wonder what the Pope, the all head of the Catholic Church, will do if the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops do actually deny Biden communion. Do these pedophiles in Holy Robes think the Pope will do nothing to them? They may wish they had stuck to children who are easily manipulated.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Raven Wing @9.2.3    3 years ago

Which of those priests are pedophiles?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Raven Wing @9.2.3    3 years ago

I think he can censure them and if they keep up the bullshit they could be excommunicated

 
 
 
evilone
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9.2.6  evilone  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.5    3 years ago

They can be censured, reassigned, demoted and defrocked.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.4    3 years ago

So now you're coming to the defense of pedophile priests?  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.7    3 years ago

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Tessylo
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9.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @9.2.8    3 years ago

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Split Personality
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9.2.10  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @9.2    3 years ago

It's a long back story but perhaps relevant...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @9.2.10    3 years ago

Such hypocrites

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.7    3 years ago
So now you're coming to the defense of pedophile priests? 

Very interesting and telling that you managed to pull THAT out of this:  "Which of those priests are pedophiles?".

Now, in your infinite wisdom, what priests, pedophile or not, did you manage to convince yourself that I defended????

SMMFH

 
 
 
Kavika
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9.2.13  Kavika   replied to  Split Personality @9.2.10    3 years ago

Hypocrites all.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.7    3 years ago

It is funny that your fan club voted the comment up when it clearly made no sense whatsoever.

Typical.

 
 
 
Veronica
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10  Veronica    3 years ago

I think that President Biden should go on as always - he can still attend Mass and if he is denied the Eucharist then he can walk away & know that those that are judging him will be judged.  Mass can be comforting in it's own right.  Eating the body & drinking the blood is not the only way to be close to Jesus.  I am sure he will continue on as a good Mass attending Catholic, praying as he does & let the self-righteous "Pharisees" get theirs in the end.

 
 
 
Hallux
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10.1  Hallux  replied to  Veronica @10    3 years ago

How dare you post something sane!

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1.1  Veronica  replied to  Hallux @10.1    3 years ago

I'm sorry????

 
 
 
Hallux
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10.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Veronica @10.1.1    3 years ago

I'm not!!!! It was refreshing.

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1.3  Veronica  replied to  Hallux @10.1.2    3 years ago

As a former Catholic I know how all that shit works.  I am not a big Biden fan, but what they are doing to him is wrong and I think he should realize that the Eucharist is only a small part of his devotion.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @10.1.3    3 years ago

I would go to Mass just for all the bells and whistles and the aerobics if someone asked me or if it was for a funeral or a wedding. I don't feel the need to partake in the Eucharist

 
 

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