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The other vulnerable governor

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  3 years ago  •  45 comments

The other vulnerable governor
"There's a secret sauce in California, and I hope people pay attention to it."

Not only is New York's Governor in trouble, but the left coast's radical leader is facing a recall election on September 14th. The ballot will ask voters two questions: Do they want to recall Newsom, yes or no? If more than 50% of voters agree, then, who should replace him?

Only two U.S. governors have been removed from office in a recall election – one in North Dakota in 1921 and Gray Davis' ouster in California in 2003.

I'm guessing that the leading candidate who could win the Governor's seat is a Libertarian radio host named Larry Elder. Until he got into the race it looked like another leftist governor would simply be re-elected in anoter questionable CA election. It also required Elder to go to court to fight for his place on the ballot. Now it looks like a contest. Last Wednesday USA released a poll that showed Mr. Newsom losing the recall vote, 51% to 40%.

Mr Elder's assessment of America in 2021 is hard to argue with: 

 “My father came to Los Angeles in 1945, right after the war. And he was able to work two full-time jobs as a janitor, cleaning toilets. He had a stay-at-home wife, my mother,” he says. “My father was able to save his nickels and dimes to buy a house in South Central that right now remains in the family, and according to Zillow, it’s worth $600,000.” "In those days it was easier for low- and middle-income families to climb the economic ladder. “Somebody nowadays with an eighth-grade, a dropout education like my father could not duplicate the route from poverty to the middle class if he worked three or four jobs because the price of homes has gotten so outrageous—because of the stranglehold that the environmental extremists have on development contractors who otherwise would build more homes in California.”

I think most Americans can relate to that.


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Mr. Elder graduated from inner-city Crenshaw High School in 1970, then earned a bachelor's degree from Brown University and a law degree at the University of Michigan. He has name recognition as a radio host. He is the host of “The Larry Elder Show,” which covers mostly politics focused mainly on California.


Does he have a chance of winning in California?


This is what gives me optimism:

“There was recently a study that showed two-thirds of black parents do not want to send their kids back to the Los Angeles School District, and one of the reasons they cite is ‘systemic racism, what they mean is this: the worst teachers end up in the urban schools. They don’t end up on the West Side, they don’t end up in the Valley; the worst teachers end up in the urban schools. And black and brown parents are aware of this, and they want something done about it.”

Maybe the minority vote can overcome the migrant's "thank you vote?"


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

In a year or so, we should be minus a few more democrat governors.

Why do the voters forget so easily?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

I have some cousins in Calikakistan.   Great people but politically dumber than a box of rocks.    The devil could be running as a Democrat and they would vote for him.   When asked about it they simple say they are Democrats so they vote Democrat.   No other reason, no discussion of positions or past problems.   We are Democrats, that is it.

It's amazing how otherwise very smart people can be so ignorant.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.1    3 years ago

And on the other hand you have democrats who have become independents because the party has gone so far left.

Of couse the party depends on those bloc votes. Their policies are so offensive to the rational mind.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 years ago

I also personally know union members right here in Michigan who will vote for whoever their union tells them to.   No thought, no investigation of positions just total blind faith in what union management tells them.

Very Orwellian .....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    3 years ago

My experience has been somewhat different. I know union workers in the construction game who have unions endorsing democrats, yet they are almost 100% Republican voters.


BTW Walter Reuther, the man who built the UAW was involved with the mob when it came to winning strikes etc, just like Hoffa and the Teamsters. So why did only Hoffa get prosecuted?

Answer: The UAW endorsed Kennedy. The Teamsters endorsed Nixon.  Even then there was a double standard of justice.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

I signed the petition to get the recall on the ballot and I’m voting to recall the hypocrite.  I’m voting Larry Elder to replace the fascist.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2    3 years ago

What do you think?  Can we get an honest election restricted to citizens only in CA?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    3 years ago

I have no confidence in that at all…

 
 
 
CB
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2  CB    3 years ago

Larry Elder is full of shit. How does it follow that what happened to his father bears effect on generations after his departure? That is, his father is not benefiting from any of it!

I am going to vote: NO (Recall).  We don't want some conservatives who hide in Donald Trump's pack of lies in-charge in California!

VOTE NO on California Recall in September!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @2    3 years ago
Larry Elder is full of shit.

I see. You don't like him why?

Don't you want better education for black students?

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.1  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

Because I like people who do not cowtow to Donald Trump world of lies. I can't post this CNN: Smerconish video (live) here but watch it for yourself! 53 seconds long.

And watch "tough against democrats" Larry Elder get tongue-tied and mealy-mouth when Trump is mentioned. And then come back:

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @2.1.1    3 years ago

In other words, you don't care about black kids getting a better education?  You are voting for the "white guy" possibly because he is going to sock it to white people?

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.3  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

Let me nip this in the bud. If you want to talk about black student education comprehensively post an article on it. This time, we are discussing Larry Elder versus Gavin Newsome. I have never liked Larry Elder's abruptness personally on television. And @2.1.1 I like him even less after I watched the Smerconish 50 second segment where he can't even properly wrap his arms around Donald Trump even when a republican like Smerconish is doing the asking.

Elders had a "gotcha" moment at the hands of a fellow republican!

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.4  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

More reason to despise Larry Elder.

Larry Elder: Why Donald Trump deserves 4 more years
Oct 31, 2020

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[Oh yes, "this one" is in the article itself  - CB.]

Lost on the President Donald Trump-hating pundits who weighed in on the second and final debate with former Vice President Joe Biden was Trump’s energy and focus. The man just recovered from COVID-19.

Male and 74 years old, Trump is in the high-risk category. His weight makes him “comorbid.” Yet there he was, still throwing heat at the end of the standing 90-minute debate, having spoken earlier that day at a typically raucous love-fest campaign rally. Trump handily defeated Biden, who noticeably tired by the end of this second and final debate.

Yes, nearly all polls show Biden ahead both nationally and in the battleground states. Imagine where Trump would rank in the polls but for the constant, relentless negative media coverage and deranged opposition that would have suffocated the average politician.

For nearly three years, a special counsel investigated thin and, in retrospect, virtually baseless allegations of collusion, conspiracy and coordination with Russia to win the election and to then, presumably, become a Russian stooge. Critics called Trump “soft on Russia.”

Never mind that it was the Obama administration that, to curry favor with the Iranians and Russians, turned its back on missile agreements with Poland and the Czech Republic negotiated during the previous administration. At the beginning of the Obama administration, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced their “reset” policy, a major policy redirection to change what President Barack Obama perceived as President George W. Bush’s dangerously hawkish relationship with Russia.

It was Obama who, during the 2012 presidential debate, ridiculed opponent Mitt Romney for calling Russia our biggest geopolitical threat. It was Obama who, on a “hot mic,” told then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, “This is my last election ... After my election, I have more flexibility” to negotiate a missile defense treaty between the two countries.

Oh, and Trump was impeached on grounds so weak that neither Biden nor running mate Kamala Harris even bring up impeachment while campaigning.

When Trump contracted COVID-19, many Trump-hating Democrats set aside their vaunted compassion for the plight of others to gloat that the mask-shunning, anti-science ignoramus got what he deserved. But Trump recovered, bounced back and tested negative on the day of the second debate, where he put on a calm, determined and possibly outcome-altering debate performance.

Technology giants Google, Facebook and Twitter suppressed a New York Post bombshell Hunter Biden story that appears to show father Joe, despite repeated denials, knew far more about his son’s overseas deals than he told the public. Yet CNN, MSNBC and other “news outlets” claimed they doubted the authenticity of incriminating emails between Biden and others that suggest, at minimum, Joe Biden lied about knowing nothing.

Trump received little credit for the precoronavirus strong economy. He got little credit for helping negotiate peace deals between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Sudan. In 2016, then-Secretary of State John Kerry called it fanciful to expect any kind of deal with Arab states without Palestinian involvement. Kerry was wrong. No apology forthcoming.

Trump received little credit for changing policy and pressuring Mexico into stopping the so-called caravans of migrants attempting to cross our southern border. He moved the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, fulfilling a promise made and broken by past Republican and Democratic presidents.

As for race relations, Trump’s list of accomplishments and policies that benefit Black Americans is long and impressive, from presiding over the best unemployment numbers for Black people in the history of America to signing the First Step Act that allowed prisoners sentenced for crack cocaine, mostly Black men, to have their sentences substantially reduced, with more than 3,100 released from prison for good conduct a few months after it passed.

Peace and prosperity normally get a president reelected. But for the last four years, our media, Hollywood, academia and Democrats have acted anything but normal. Sadly, that has become normal.

There it is in all it's. . . so-called, "glory" — Elder kowtowing to help Trump. Now then in a Smerconish video "tough on democrats," Larry E. gets mealy-mouth, tongue-tied, and guffawing when asked about being called a get read for it: "Trump supporter."

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.5  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.1.3    3 years ago

I am going to proudly vote for our first African American governor.  He’s a good man and is correct on the issues. 

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.6  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    3 years ago

Why not? He speaks fluent Trump! That's all you need to know, eh?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.7  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @2.1.1    3 years ago
Larry Elder get tongue-tied and mealy-mouth when Trump is mentioned

Elder was far from "tongue-tied and mealy-mouth". He had to clearly state a second time that he has voted for every Republican since Bush 41, because Mr. Smerconish obviously didn't want to understand the first time. 

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.8  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.7    3 years ago

If you like your Trump in Black. . . here's Larry Elder.

He was not asked a second time about "every other republican since Bush 41"  the question was specifically did he vote for Donald Trump in 2020? Since he failed to explicitly mention Trump!  Mealy-mouthed Elder deferred and never clearly made the connection to the answer.

"GOTCHA!"

It would be nice is CNN would "shop" the clip around whether than holding proprietary use of it.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @2.1.8    3 years ago
It would be nice is CNN would "shop" the clip around whether than holding proprietary use of it.

It was very easy to find on DDG and YouTube:

Cheers, and have a great week!

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.10  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.9    3 years ago

As you know I have posted the link to the CNN video, Jasper. I am just 'fond' of embedding video (itself) in my comments. (Smile.)

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.11  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.9    3 years ago

I would like to have your link to the Youtube version of this video clip, please.  I can't locate the short clip OR long clip for that matter.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2    3 years ago
How does it follow that what happened to his father bears effect on generations after his departure?

But don't you use the argument that what happened regarding slavery in this country DOES effect present day people who have never been subjected to slavery themselves?

Nothing quite like a glaring double standard.

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.1  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    3 years ago

In conclusion, distinctions and degrees matter. Trying to compare a history and legacy of slavery to Larry Elder's private ownership of a family home in Los Angeles, shows a lack of scale and forethought.

It is like not ever being willing to engage in at-length substantive exchanges about the nuances of Donald Trump's political life matters to you.

We're done. Good day!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.2.1    3 years ago
Good day!

Certainly IS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.2.1    3 years ago
It is like not ever being willing to engage in at-length substantive exchanges about the nuances of Donald Trump's political life matters to you.

I refer you to your very own words:

Let me nip this in the bud. If you want to talk about black student education, er, make that Donald Trump, comprehensively post an article on it. This time, we are discussing Larry Elder versus Gavin Newsome.

Nice if you heeded your very own "advice". 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    3 years ago
But don't you use the argument that what happened regarding slavery in this country DOES effect present day people who have never been subjected to slavery themselves?

I would probably have chosen redlining instead of slavery.  Surely if we're going to have a continual, never-ending conversation about past housing policy, then past home ownership is also relevant.

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.5  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.4    3 years ago

Which would only serve to make "elder" Elder an exception to the rule and not the norm. Indeed, diversity means differences of goals and experiences. That is, there does not need to be a mandate for all to be conservative (some conservative) or vice-versa all liberals! Meet/greet/work/celebrate in the middle!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.2.6  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.2.5    3 years ago
Which would only serve to make "elder" Elder an exception to the rule and not the norm.

It will be very easy for him to put together a statistical case demonstrating his father was pretty close to the norm

However, lest we lose sight of the point, Elder is using his father as an example of a working-class person who was able to put in additional effort and accumulate the resources to buy a house.  He claims that's almost impossible today because real estate prices put even modest homes out of reach for working-class families.

I don't think there is any way to reasonably dispute this part of what he says....but it's not the important part.  Anybody can identify a problem, especially one as obvious as this.

The important part about what he says will be what actions he intends to take in order to change that.  Those prospective actions will need to be evaluated by the voters to decide if they would work and if they're feasible...especially in light of the reported fragility of the water and power infrastructure you have out there (which may be overstated in the media...I'll defer to your first hand experience).

Indeed, diversity means differences of goals and experiences. That is, there does not need to be a mandate for all to be conservative (some conservative) or vice-versa all liberals! Meet/greet/work/celebrate in the middle!

Absolutely.  Well said.

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.7  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.6    3 years ago
However, lest we lose sight of the point, Elder is using his father as an example of a working-class person who was able to put in additional effort and accumulate the resources to buy a house.  He claims that's almost impossible today because real estate prices put even modest homes out of reach for working-class families.

It was 1945. I was not alive then, but forgive me the indulgence of stating that Black Americans were catching hell at the time. And there is the possibility that the GI Bill was not extended to Blacks (though Elder does not mention if his father was a in government service). Moreover, "cleaning toilets" or janitorial services, menial labor, was a thing back then - what does Elder think we should today pull ourselves up from beneath the wage floor in like manner—like "dear old dad"?

And what does Larry offer to encourage us that his dad enjoyed his 'hardship' existence, simply because he survived it, nevertheless?

Does it escape Elder that blacks were denied placement on recall petitions to be governor in 1945? It's a tired old "invocation" on the past to exploit and I ain't going to let him do it!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.2.8  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.2.7    3 years ago
It was 1945. I was not alive then, but forgive me the indulgence of stating that Black Americans were catching hell at the time. And there is the possibility that the GI Bill was not extended to Blacks (though Elder does not mention if his father was a in government service). Moreover, "cleaning toilets" or janitorial services, menial labor, was a thing back then - what does Elder think we should today pull ourselves up from beneath the wage floor in like manner—like "dear old dad"?

Your point is well made, and I think Elder seems to agree with you.  In the article, he laments the restrictions on homebuilding as the cause for a housing shortage that has driven prices beyond the level where anybody could reasonably expect to pull themselves anyway.  His point seems to be that a person like his father could pull themselves up back then, but it's simply not possible now because of the economics of the current situation.

I think his point is that no matter how hard people are willing to work, the entry point to home ownership is still out of reach for working class people.  So the wealth gap continues to explode to the point where redlining is recreated on a de-facto basis.

And what does Larry offer to encourage us that his dad enjoyed his 'hardship' existence, simply because he survived it, nevertheless?

I think "what he offers" is absolutely the pertinent question.  How does he intend to solve this problem?  Frankly, how does he intend to provide water to the existing homes in Southern California, much less new ones that would supposedly be built?  How will he pay for additional schools, roads and hospitals when property taxes will not increase proportionally?

Maybe he's thought it out, I don't know.  But I am always very skeptical of simplistic "solutions".

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.2.9  pat wilson  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.8    3 years ago

There may be building restrictions but new homes are sprouting like mushrooms across Southern California.

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.10  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.8    3 years ago
His point seems to be that a person like his father could pull themselves up back then, but it's simply not possible now because of the economics of the current situation.

In each generation there will be exceptions to the rule. Afterall, look at the billionaire class with its Jeff Bezos at 200 plus billion dollars to 'bankroll' any way or shape he likes. Bezos has exceeded the normal billionaire by an x factor. Was it hook or is it crook? Not the issue -just is. You would accept the child/ren of Bezos to go around pointing out how "dad did it" as a measuring stick for all billionaires. Do not let Elder use the line about "dear old dad" and a bygone era of enterprise to suggest all blacks follow his (dad's) grit.

Because grit can't always succeed against odds!

 
 
 
CB
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3  CB    3 years ago
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California will be just like Texas and Florida overun with DELTA highly contagion under a Trump supporting lunatic!

VOTE NO ON THE CALIFORNIA RECALL !  Trump America suks bigly!
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3    3 years ago

Does it make you feel all good inside to know that the reason for the recent increase in African Americans becoming part of the GOP is Trump?  Greatly expanded support for HBC’s, educational choice, prison sentence reform, support for law and order in communities, opportunity zones, record low unemployment and best wage increases for African Americans pre pandemic, all thanks to Trump.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.1  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    3 years ago

Don't try to bait me, Jefferson. You will fail.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1.1    3 years ago

You can’t deny that Trump did all those good things.  The next step is the irony could be that California’s first African American governor would be a libertarian Republican!  

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.3  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    3 years ago

For a good set of policies and even for any single good deed done I applaud Donald Trump and so should our nation. For being a lying, cheating, thief who does not know how to stop harming this country he took a presidential oath to protect I am angry with him "for a thousand years."

And since, the 'black thang' is your (and some other conservatives) GO-TO now that it is obviously accepted by y'all this writer is a black male behind the 'strokes,' black people—especially Black women are not enamored with "the Black Trump" - Larry Elder. Black conservatives eat his crap up, but are not the majority in California.

VOTE NO ON THE CALIFORNIA RECALL !  Trump ELDER shall expose school children to SARS-2 !

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4  Paula Bartholomew    3 years ago

As long as you are supporting Abbot and Deathsantis, spare us your crap about our governor.  [deleted]

 
 
 
CB
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4.1  CB  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    3 years ago

Shall we give New York and California over to Trump America?  Hell no I say!  We can barely survive the lies told and election interference in Texas and Florida which are self-contained by land mass!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @4.1    3 years ago
election interference in Texas and Florida

What interference do you imagine here?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    3 years ago

Inquiring minds want to know!  

 
 
 
JBB
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5  JBB    3 years ago

Racking up even more wrongo election calls I see...

 
 

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