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Column: We can't blame the unmasked and unvaccinated for being irresponsible? Really?

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  3 years ago  •  18 comments

By:   Nicholas Goldberg, Los Angeles Times

Column: We can't blame the unmasked and unvaccinated for being irresponsible? Really?

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Column: We can't blame the unmasked and unvaccinated for being irresponsible? Really?











Nicholas Goldberg

Mon, August 16, 2021, 6:00 AM







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How hard is it to get vaccinated? This man did it in April at St. Patrick's Catholic Church in Los Angeles.   (Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times)

As thousands of unmasked motorcyclists carouse in the streets of Sturgis, S.D.; as protesters greet vaccine and mask mandates with comparisons to Hitler; as vaccination rates lag and COVID caseloads climb, we’re also seeing — paradoxically — a wave of sympathy for those who have failed to behave responsibly.

"Don’t be mean" is the new mantra. Blame, we’re told, is not an effective public health strategy. Those people who won’t wear masks or who refuse to be vaccinated — they’re just misinformed.

“Many unvaccinated people are scared just like us, and … with the right help and information, they would sit down next to nurses and pull up their sleeves,” said   one recent op-ed piece   in the New York Times.

Can this be the correct advice? Is it possible that those of us who have behaved responsibly, followed the rules and made enormous sacrifices for the last year and a half should not be outraged at the millions of Americans who refuse to take the most simple, science-backed steps?


I ask because I’m sensing a lot of anger.


A recent editorial   in the Santa Monica Daily Press, for instance, attributed L.A.’s current caseload rise to “straight stupidity.”

Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey, a Democrat, finally   turned on his hecklers : “You are the ultimate knuckleheads! And because of what you are saying and standing for, people are losing their life.”

Columnist Andrew Sullivan wrote   that if “deranged” and “delusional” people are irresponsible enough not to be vaccinated, the rest of us should shrug and let the death tolls rise. Maybe that, he said, would persuade a few.

A township supervisor from eastern Pennsylvania went even further, hitting an opponent of vaccine and mask mandates over the head with a “Masks Save Lives” sign   in an altercation caught on video .

So who’s right? Should we shut up or lash out?

On reflection, I think we can agree that we’re talking about a spectrum of misbehavior. The unmasked and unvaccinated range from the misinformed and time-constrained, to the lazy and selfish, to those who are ideologically committed or deep in the grip of conspiracy theories. At the very edge of the spectrum of shame are the self-serving political, media and activist leaders who feed vaccine misinformation and encourage skepticism though they should know better.

Sure, the first of these groups need to be educated, incentivized and cajoled. They also need to be kept from endangering others, where possible, through mask mandates and vaccinated-to-enter requirements. But the active misinformers themselves, including cynical public officials such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott who are playing political games with people's lives — I wish they could be prosecuted for what, in my book, amount to crimes.

This is not an issue of liberty, as they would have you believe; it’s an issue of public health (and courts have long upheld the right of government to make public health rules). This is not a question, solely, of control over one’s own body — the health and safety of others are at risk. People who don’t wear masks or won’t get vaccinated enable the virus to spread and reproduce, and increase the chance of new variants that will evade vaccines.

Yes, some vaguely confusing facts about vaccines may raise legitimate concerns for ordinary Americans. It’s true, for instance, that the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines do not have full formal approval by the Food and Drug Administration; they have only been authorized for emergency use. That sends a discomfiting message. And indeed, "breakthrough" infections may allow fully vaccinated people to catch COVID.

But following the science is the best and only way to fight the disease. The overwhelming consensus of scientists, doctors and data is that the vaccines are not dangerous, that the breakthroughs are rare, and that it is far safer to be immunized than not.

It’s also true that there are some people who face real barriers to getting informed, finding the time or arranging for transportation to where the shots are. They need our assistance.

I can tone down my anger at those who have understandable reasons or fears, or who remain open to learning more. If berating and blaming them is counterproductive, then I’m willing to forgo it.

But I am not in a mood to forgive those who are spreading misinformation, scaring others or politicizing the pandemic.

Such as the 12 people who,   according to the Center for Countering Digital Hate , account for 54% of the misleading claims and flat-out lies about vaccines on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. They have a combined following of 59 million people.

Or Gov. DeSantis of Florida, who had the temerity to say last week: “We can either have a free society or we can have a biomedical security state.” This from a guy who himself got the J&J vaccine. What a pandering hypocrite.

Or Rep. Jason Smith (R-Mo.), who tweeted: “The Biden administration wants to knock down your door KGB-style to force people to get vaccinated.” He’s vaccinated too.

Or House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy of Bakersfield, who said that bringing back masks was “conjured up by liberal government officials who want to continue to live in a perpetual pandemic state.”

No one wants a perpetual pandemic state and McCarthy knows it, but the phrase will generate applause and perhaps win votes from a riled-up portion of the GOP base.

McCarthy and his ilk have done a serious — and dangerous — disservice to the country, and they deserve blame and anger.

@Nick_Goldberg

This story originally appeared in   Los Angeles Times .








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Tessylo
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1  seeder  Tessylo    3 years ago

I also blame DeathSantis, Abbott, and any other governor banning mask mandates.  Their ignorance and arrogance is killing children, killing a lot of people.  Co-Vid doesn't discriminate.  

These republicans who are banning mask mandates have a lot of deaths on their hands.  All those downplaying the risks are responsible for a lot of deaths.  

I blame all the ignorant unvaccinated people for a lot of deaths also.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 years ago
Their ignorance and arrogance is killing children, killing a lot of people.

It's not ignorance.  They know what their policies will do, they just don't care.  In DeSantis' case, it is for self promotion.  He either wants to run for POTUS in 2024, or VP to Trump's campaign.  He'd rather promote Trump's ignorant policies, than save lives.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 years ago

Their ignorance/AKA self-promotion is killing people, including children.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    3 years ago
Their ignorance/AKA self-promotion is killing people, including children.

And they don't care as long as they get what they want.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  seeder  Tessylo    3 years ago

“Many unvaccinated people are scared just like us, and … with the right help and information, they would sit down next to nurses and pull up their sleeves,” said      one recent op-ed piece       in the New York Times.

Can this be the correct advice? Is it possible that those of us who have behaved responsibly, followed the rules and made enormous sacrifices for the last year and a half should not be outraged at the millions of Americans who refuse to take the most simple, science-backed steps?"

It's not 'mean' to point out to these ignorant mis-informed assholes that they are ignorant mis-informed assholes.   

I don't think they're scared, I think they're ignorant mis-dis-informed arrogant assholes.  

It's not mean to point out that they should be masked also.  It's not mean to point out that masks should be mandated in schools.  

 
 
 
evilone
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3  evilone    3 years ago

There is a petition to recall DeSantis -

A petition to recall and remove Florida Governor  Ron DeSantis  has reached its target of 35,000 signatures...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @3    3 years ago

When are they going to send out a petition for Abbott's recall and removal?

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.1  evilone  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    3 years ago

Abbot will term limit out next year. His flopping positions on various issues further to the right is a bit to run for either Congress or POTUS. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    3 years ago

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Tessylo
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4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @4    3 years ago
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Your usual nonsense and lies.  

I can't believe someone voted up that ignorance.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5  seeder  Tessylo    3 years ago

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TᵢG
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6  TᵢG    3 years ago

In civil society, we impact each other in both good and bad ways.   When it comes to spreading a potentially deadly virus, it is irresponsible for an individual to refuse to take recommended precautions and willfully interact within society.   If one wishes the benefits of society it is reasonable for them to reciprocate by helping to keep the virus from spreading.

Why this is not obvious to everyone is sad.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @6    3 years ago

It's because they fear that their "individual liberty" is threatened

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    3 years ago

Agreed.   And while I support the principle of holding individual liberty as a fundamental tenet of our society, we cannot realistically do so in a blindly dogmatic way.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    3 years ago
It's because they fear that their "individual liberty" is threatened

Of course, we know they don’t. Not really. And I figure that’s why you put it in quotes. You know it’s BS, too.

I don’t believe any of these people have actually thought about it and come to a rational conclusion that their liberty is threatened. Rather, I believe they are so invested in partisan politics that they will embrace any absurd conspiracy theory that puts themselves in the position of “victim” and their opponents in the position of “oppressor.” In this way, they create a situation where they can take pride in their “courage” and “resilience.” It’s a kind of politically induced madness.

That’s my cynical two cents anyway.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7  seeder  Tessylo    3 years ago

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Duck Hawk
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8  Duck Hawk    3 years ago

So much for the Party of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9  Tacos!    3 years ago

People apparently get up in the morning and make the decision to throw all common sense in the garbage for the sake of political partisanship. The idea that government is somehow trying to oppress people by getting them vaccinated is beyond stupid.

There is a cult of self-brainwashing going on in this country. You have to willfully put yourself out of your own mind to want so badly to feel “oppressed” that you resist a perfectly ordinary thing like a vaccine for the most deadly viral outbreak in a century.

It sickens me that self-proclaimed Christians, acting and speaking in the name of their religion, can be so cold to the fact they are willfully allowing a fatal disease to propagate among their fellow human beings, particularly children. You bet your ass I will shame that.

 
 

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