No, this is worse than Saigon. In Saigon the enemy were literally chasing us down the runway as the last plane departed. Kabul is 100's of times worse as the the enemy has us completely surrounded; and out numbered. We hold the US Embassy and 1 tower at the Kabul airport. We need to evacuate thousands of people; with thousands more stranded who are unable to make it to Kabul due to the Taliban holding all of the major roads between cities.
What are the chances the Taliban are going to wait quietly while we pull the rest of our personnel and those who aided us out? They are already searching house to house for US sympathizers.
Nothing can fix this fuck up by the Biden administration.
They are already searching house to house for US sympathizers.
Radical Islamist imams are also asking the Taliban for the names and addresses of females between the ages 12-45 so they can round them up and make them slaves again.
I like this guy Zeller and take what he says at face value, he sounds believable and accurate. But I also wonder if his zealotry for the cause of saving every single Afghan "ally" of the US is coloring his comments.
I like his idea of retaking the airports to make it possible to get more people out. And I like the idea of reinserting our quick response force, which he says is the 82nd Airborne and I think he said 2nd Marines.
We should try to get everyone who helped the United States out, if it is 14,000 or 44,000, and I think that is what will happen.
Biden's mistake was in believing that the Afghan army could hold its own. There has to have been generals and other military advisers that told him that they could , otherwise what would be his basis for thinking so? And of course no general is going to tell the president that we've been training these people for 20 years and have nothing to show for all those tens of billions of dollars.
The political right wing in America is latching onto it like a dog does with his last bone in the hope it will be ammunition for the elections. They will be shit out of luck. When the prisoner of the moment hoopla dies down in a few weeks or a month or two, many Americans will put all this right on the back burner. Americans are not unhappy we are leaving Afghanistan and I dare say that no one who was going to consider voting Democratic will now say "nope Biden botched the Afghanistan withdrawal so now I'm voting to put Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy in control of Congress and then Trump back into the White House. " No way. And besides that many many more pertinent issues will arise between now and the next election.
The American people dont care about places like Afghanistan . That may be sad, but it is true.
Biden's mistake was in believing that the Afghan army could hold its own. There has to have been generals and other military advisers that told him that they could , otherwise what would be his basis for thinking so? And of course no general is going to tell the president that we've been training these people for 20 years and have nothing to show for all those tens of billions of dollars.
You didn't listen to Biden claiming he was the expert on Afghanistan did you? He claimed only he had the experience necessary to make the decision and knew more than everyone else, as no one had dealt more with Afghanistan in his 8 years as VP; and during his time on the foreign affairs committee in the Senate. He owns this; no amount of spin is going to change it.
The political right wing in America is latching onto it like a dog does with his last bone in the hope it will be ammunition for the elections. They will be shit out of luck. When the prisoner of the moment hoopla dies down in a few weeks or a month or two, many Americans will put all this right on the back burner. Americans are not unhappy we are leaving Afghanistan and I dare say that no one who was going to consider voting Democratic will now say "nope Biden botched the Afghanistan withdrawal so now I'm voting to put Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy in control of Congress and then Trump back into the White House. " No way. And besides that many many more pertinent issues will arise between now and the next election.
You are correct left wing TDS sufferers will never change their damn tune no matter how badly Biden fucks this country up. It is not the TDS driven left that will decide the next election. It is independents and moderate anti Trump Republicans. If Afghanistan were his only fuck up Biden might get away with it. But this is on top of the border crisis, Covid 19 resurge, inflation, upside down unemployment and job numbers (too damn many unemployed; with way too many jobs available), high crime rates, and the Democrats fucked up radical agenda. Images of people trying desperately to cling to US aircraft as they take off will be viewed repeatedly on social media long after Biden is nothing more than a bad memory.
The American people dont care about places like Afghanistan . That may be sad, but it is true.
The American people may not care about places like Afghanistan; but we sure as hell care when we lose millions in military hardware; desert those Afghans that aided us; and give the world images that show the US at it's weakest and worst that will be replayed for generations. No one has forgotten the fall of Saigon, images are still all over the internet- and seen regularly. It is wishful thinking on your part to think that the fall of Kabul will quickly be forgotten.
I'm glad you brought that up. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Fall of Saigon cost Gerald Ford votes in the 1976 presidential election, and no evidence that he was blamed for it even though he was president at the time. The American people realized you cant blame a new president for something that was 15 years in the making. The same thing will happen here.
Images of people trying desperately to cling to US aircraft as they take off will be viewed repeatedly on social media long after Biden is nothing more than a bad memory.
Just like the images of the evacuation of the US Embassy in Vietnam and scuttling Helicopters overboard to make room for more refugee laden helicopters to land on deck.
Only an Idiot would evacuate the Soldiers before the Civilians, it shows a total lack of Common Sense. The American people might not care much about places like Afghanistan and most expected the Taliban to take over once we left, but what they do care about is the Competence of our Leadership.
Biden's mistake was in believing that the Afghan army could hold its own. There has to have been generals and other military advisers that told him that they could , otherwise what would be his basis for thinking so?
Perhaps we should find out exactly what Biden was told?
There are no good solutions on how to leave Afghanistan. Whether it’s thousands of Afghans being executed over the following weeks for their service to America, or dozens that couldn’t be rescued, the ensuing rhetoric will be equally toxic. Sometimes situations are just sad and outside of the control of US policy. With the Taliban in charge the futures for women in Afghanistan are doomed, and that would only be different if we stayed there forever. That was never an acceptable plan for the US, and Afghanistan now must fend for themselves and free their country on their own.
“This is manifestly not Saigon,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken insisted on Sunday.
Few are buying it.
No, this is worse than Saigon. In Saigon the enemy were literally chasing us down the runway as the last plane departed. Kabul is 100's of times worse as the the enemy has us completely surrounded; and out numbered. We hold the US Embassy and 1 tower at the Kabul airport. We need to evacuate thousands of people; with thousands more stranded who are unable to make it to Kabul due to the Taliban holding all of the major roads between cities.
What are the chances the Taliban are going to wait quietly while we pull the rest of our personnel and those who aided us out? They are already searching house to house for US sympathizers.
Nothing can fix this fuck up by the Biden administration.
Didn't Biden say "please?"
Radical Islamist imams are also asking the Taliban for the names and addresses of females between the ages 12-45 so they can round them up and make them slaves again.
I like this guy Zeller and take what he says at face value, he sounds believable and accurate. But I also wonder if his zealotry for the cause of saving every single Afghan "ally" of the US is coloring his comments.
I like his idea of retaking the airports to make it possible to get more people out. And I like the idea of reinserting our quick response force, which he says is the 82nd Airborne and I think he said 2nd Marines.
We should try to get everyone who helped the United States out, if it is 14,000 or 44,000, and I think that is what will happen.
Biden's mistake was in believing that the Afghan army could hold its own. There has to have been generals and other military advisers that told him that they could , otherwise what would be his basis for thinking so? And of course no general is going to tell the president that we've been training these people for 20 years and have nothing to show for all those tens of billions of dollars.
The political right wing in America is latching onto it like a dog does with his last bone in the hope it will be ammunition for the elections. They will be shit out of luck. When the prisoner of the moment hoopla dies down in a few weeks or a month or two, many Americans will put all this right on the back burner. Americans are not unhappy we are leaving Afghanistan and I dare say that no one who was going to consider voting Democratic will now say "nope Biden botched the Afghanistan withdrawal so now I'm voting to put Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy in control of Congress and then Trump back into the White House. " No way. And besides that many many more pertinent issues will arise between now and the next election.
The American people dont care about places like Afghanistan . That may be sad, but it is true.
You didn't listen to Biden claiming he was the expert on Afghanistan did you? He claimed only he had the experience necessary to make the decision and knew more than everyone else, as no one had dealt more with Afghanistan in his 8 years as VP; and during his time on the foreign affairs committee in the Senate. He owns this; no amount of spin is going to change it.
You are correct left wing TDS sufferers will never change their damn tune no matter how badly Biden fucks this country up. It is not the TDS driven left that will decide the next election. It is independents and moderate anti Trump Republicans. If Afghanistan were his only fuck up Biden might get away with it. But this is on top of the border crisis, Covid 19 resurge, inflation, upside down unemployment and job numbers (too damn many unemployed; with way too many jobs available), high crime rates, and the Democrats fucked up radical agenda. Images of people trying desperately to cling to US aircraft as they take off will be viewed repeatedly on social media long after Biden is nothing more than a bad memory.
The American people may not care about places like Afghanistan; but we sure as hell care when we lose millions in military hardware; desert those Afghans that aided us; and give the world images that show the US at it's weakest and worst that will be replayed for generations. No one has forgotten the fall of Saigon, images are still all over the internet- and seen regularly. It is wishful thinking on your part to think that the fall of Kabul will quickly be forgotten.
I'm glad you brought that up. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Fall of Saigon cost Gerald Ford votes in the 1976 presidential election, and no evidence that he was blamed for it even though he was president at the time. The American people realized you cant blame a new president for something that was 15 years in the making. The same thing will happen here.
Just like the images of the evacuation of the US Embassy in Vietnam and scuttling Helicopters overboard to make room for more refugee laden helicopters to land on deck.
He may of have been blamed for it by some but i agree that it's doubtful that is one of the main reasons he lost to Carter.
The main reason is that he pardoned Nixon. No doubt about it.
Only an Idiot would evacuate the Soldiers before the Civilians, it shows a total lack of Common Sense. The American people might not care much about places like Afghanistan and most expected the Taliban to take over once we left, but what they do care about is the Competence of our Leadership.
And the Americans left behind...
Perhaps we should find out exactly what Biden was told?
There are no good solutions on how to leave Afghanistan. Whether it’s thousands of Afghans being executed over the following weeks for their service to America, or dozens that couldn’t be rescued, the ensuing rhetoric will be equally toxic. Sometimes situations are just sad and outside of the control of US policy. With the Taliban in charge the futures for women in Afghanistan are doomed, and that would only be different if we stayed there forever. That was never an acceptable plan for the US, and Afghanistan now must fend for themselves and free their country on their own.
More expert advice from the armchair warriors!
Better than the decision that Joe "the self proclaimed expert" Biden made.