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Trump backer, 4 others charged with voter fraud in Wisconsin

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  john-russell  •  2 years ago  •  25 comments

By:   Star Tribune

Trump backer, 4 others charged with voter fraud in Wisconsin
A supporter of former President Donald Trump who said authorities should root out voter fraud is among five people who were charged Thursday with election fraud by a Republican district attorney who's running for Wisconsin attorney general.

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MADISON, Wis. — A supporter of former President Donald Trump who said authorities should root out voter fraud is among five people who were charged Thursday with election fraud by a Republican district attorney who's running for Wisconsin attorney general.

All five voters, including a homeless person, improperly listed a post office box number at a UPS store as their address, rather than a residential address as is required under Wisconsin law, said Fond du Lac County District Attorney Eric Toney.

That brings the number of people charged with election fraud during the 2020 presidential election in Wisconsin to 10, including seven in Fond du Lac County. Three of the five people charged cast ballots in the 2020 election.

Toney said he hoped the charges would serve to educate voters about the law requiring them to list a residential address when registering to vote. In response to a question about whether this would fuel false claims of widespread election fraud, Toney said that was not the intent.

"It is clear that would have had no impact on any election results about who would have won the race," Toney said. "It has nothing to do with that type of argument."

In fact, one of the people charged indicated she had voted for Trump and told investigators to look into cheating because "they took it away from Trump," according to the complaint.

Another person charged who did not vote in 2020 "appeared very apologetic upon learning that he could not register to vote with a PO Box," the complaint said. Another man who didn't vote said he was living out of his truck when he registered and used the post office box because he could use that on his driver's license.

Voters in Wisconsin do not register by political party, so there is no way of knowing how many of those charged are Republicans or Democrats.

President Joe Biden won Wisconsin by just under 21,000 votes out of more than 3.2 million cast. The outcome has withstood recounts, lawsuits and multiple reviews. An Associated Press review in battleground states also found no widespread fraud.

The issue of voters listing post office boxes when registering to vote, rather than where they live, was also raised in La Crosse County following the 2020 election. However, the district attorney there decided not to press charges after determining the voters did not intend to break the law.

But Toney, when explaining why he decided to bring charges, said ignorance of the law is no excuse.

"This is an important opportunity for education on this issue," Toney said. He said he hoped filing charges would lead to fewer criminal referrals that take time and resources away from police and district attorneys who should instead be focused on fighting violent crime.

One of the people charged was homeless but should have listed any kind of address, like the location of a park bench, rather than a post office box number, Toney said. A married couple who were charged were traveling around the state in an RV and could have listed the address of a campground where they stay, he said.

The five people were each charged with a Class I felony, which is punishable by up to 3 ½ years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Toney is running for attorney general and faces former state Rep. Adam Jarchow in the Aug. 9 Republican primary. The winner will advance to face Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul in November.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago
In fact, one of the people charged indicated she had voted for Trump and told investigators to look into cheating because "they took it away from Trump," according to the complaint.
 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
2  bbl-1    2 years ago

Can't understand why the vast majority of the voter fraud cases in the 2020 election appear to be MAGAS and these are the folk so worried about voter fraud.

Just doesn't make any sense.  Then again-----------------well, Trump is involved so sense does not apply.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3  Split Personality    2 years ago

Ludicrous !  A felony ?

That's insane for anyone of any party.

My Niece lives in the middle of nowhere Nevada and has to drive 45 minutes to a post office for her mail.

it's a fact of life.

Change the stupid laws.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @3    2 years ago

If the postal service (a branch of the federal government) considers a PO Box a physical address- then the state should as well.

One of the people charged was homeless but should have listed any kind of address, like the location of a park bench, rather than a post office box number, Toney said. A married couple who were charged were traveling around the state in an RV and could have listed the address of a campground where they stay, he said.

Ok Toney (aka dumbass); if the homeless person lists a park bench as his physical address and someone shows up and a different homeless person happens to be there and says, "Never heard of them; and this is my bench" are you going to disqualify them and press charges? Or the couple move to another campground and fail to register the change and someone checks up on it- you going to press charges then as well?

Better still are they going to attempt to mail ballots to only physical addresses? Sure the post office would love trying to deliver mail to a park bench; or a campground.

Both sides should want to fix this law now; and then rein in Toney the dumbass before he starts charging people for breathing.

 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4  Trout Giggles    2 years ago

Why is it that it's always the Maggots who get their hands caught in the cookie jar?

 
 
 
Ender
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5  Ender    2 years ago

So a park bench would be ok but not a PO box...

I never thought about people that live in an RV. No permanent address.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5.1  bbl-1  replied to  Ender @5    2 years ago

Personally, I always believed this as a 74-year-old Vietnam Veteran.  If you are 18 and a US citizen, you have the right to vote even if you live on a park bench, homeless shelter or a home with a six-car garage, tennis court and swimming pool.  If someone challenges your right to vote and can't prove you are not a legal voter then-----------the party or the person lodging the complaint owes you $10,000.  Put up or shut up.  End of story.

I was in Vietnam at age 19.  I could not vote.  Had to be 21.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.2  Kavika   replied to  Ender @5    2 years ago

The PO Box thing is a problem for NA's living on the reservation since that is what they have not street addresses. Some states have introduced legislation that you must have a street address aimed at curtaling the NA vote. The states have lost in court, but it is an ongoing battle.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  Kavika @5.2    2 years ago

And the PO Box thing is by design.  Not necessarily 'intelligent design'.  Quite the contrary actually.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.2.2  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Kavika @5.2    2 years ago

cant speak for other reservations , but that is untrue for the one i live on , every house has a fire marker # , which serves as its residential address . just as about every 2 track dirt lane has a local name to it as well usually named after the families that lived on it .

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.2.3  Kavika   replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.2.2    2 years ago

I'm aware that some rez have street addresses. Mine does not and many others do not. The lawsuits that took place were in MT/SD/ND. I also believe that there were others in  NM/AZ as well.

This was a big deal in the 2020 election. On the Navajo nation alone there are 50,000 homes and businesses without a street address. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @5.2.3    2 years ago

No disrespect, but doesn't that make giving directions rather tortuous?

I would bet that the various tribes could come up with great names to honor

their ancestors and mock certain historical characters?

How would you say "Custer's broken ass boulevard" in Anishinabbe ?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.2.5  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Split Personality @5.2.4    2 years ago

In some of the asian dialects it would be Dum fuk way...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.2.6  Kavika   replied to  Split Personality @5.2.4    2 years ago
No disrespect, but doesn't that make giving directions rather tortuous?

None taken and yes, it can be interesting when giving directions. 

How would you say "Custer's broken ass boulevard in Anishinaabe?

Custer's bokojishka nidiy oopenaakana.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
5.2.7  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Kavika @5.2.3    2 years ago

thats got to make emt/fire or police response a nightmare .

 unless those responding are very intimate with the areas they serve.

I know here they went with those fire markers because of the number of elderly and the very young to get better response times .

 i have 2 addresses , one being the PO box where i have all my mail delivered , and the physical for deliveries by those like UPS or fed ex , and to be able to call for needed services ,  also needed the physical to get power service and other things like internet service and gas service .

 so when asked i ask them billing ( POB ) or physical.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.2.8  Kavika   replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.2.7    2 years ago
unless those responding are very intimate with the areas they serve.

They are, but on some rez (Navajo) is 27,000 sq miles and is divided into sections for Navajo police response.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5.2.9  bbl-1  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.2.2    2 years ago

Addresses do not vote.  People do.  And it is their right.  How and why could anyone dispute that?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
5.3  SteevieGee  replied to  Ender @5    2 years ago

You need a home address so they can send you the right ballot.  They need to know what Congressional district, counsel district, etc you live in.  You should still be allowed to vote for President but, in reality, only the electoral college can do that.  Abolish the EC and where you live wouldn't matter anymore.  Charging these people with felonies in order to "educate voters about the law requiring them to list a residential address when registering to vote" seems a bit harsh to me.  Hasn't this guy ever heard of a PSA?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago

Notice how the left is silent about their pet group BLM's leader being arrested and sentenced to prison for voter fraud?

I wonder why.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6    2 years ago

Because that's a deflection?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    2 years ago

Because it's off topic?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
6.2  bbl-1  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6    2 years ago

I am not silent.  She is black and lives in Tennessee.  The dozen or so white voters that have been convicted thus far for fraud in the 2020 election have received small fines, probation or less than 10 days in jail.  Check it out.  In Texas there is a similar case.  Check that out.  You believe that is fair?  And if you do, why?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.3  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6    2 years ago

There seems to be an unfortunate pattern here.

Deliberate voter fraud by a dozen white people who knowingly used the aliases of dead or living relatives to vote for Trump

received tiny fines and a few years probation in spite of the myriad of potential charges and large fines regardless of where they lived.

Crystal Mason, black Texas woman post Federal probation sought advice from the County and was told she was eligible.  Had an election officer help her fill out the provisional ballot, telling her if for some reason the ballot wasn't accepted, her vote simply would not be counted.

Instead, she is found guilty of voter fraud because her prior conviction was Federal, not state, so the state of Texas, not the Feds, sent her back to jail for 6 more years.

I originally thought, "only in Texas".

I was wrong.

Your link, refers to Pamela Moses, who is not a leader of BLM per se but supposedly founded the Memphis chapter.

She had tried to run for Mayor of Memphis but could not due to still being listed as on probation in 2019.

Again, south of the Mason Dixon line, no one bats an eye when a black person with a record gets sent to prison for 6 years

after following the election boards decision that she was eligible.

Maybe you should seed your own link?

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
7  Veronica    2 years ago

Bwwwhahahahahahahaah - butt butt butt THE DEMS

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
8  Paula Bartholomew    2 years ago

Until I read that they have all been actually arrested and arraigned, I won't get excited.

 
 

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