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U.S. Will Rename 660 Mountains, Rivers and More to Remove Racist Word

  

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Via:  1stwarrior  •  2 years ago  •  63 comments

U.S. Will Rename 660 Mountains, Rivers and More to Remove Racist Word
A task force is identifying new names for sites on federal land that bear a derogatory term referring to Indigenous women

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The United States Department of the Interior (DOI) proposed a list of new names for more than 660 geographic features across the country last month, the agency announced in a   statement .

Led by the   U.S. Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland , the first Native American to serve as cabinet secretary, the February 2022 release of the list marks the next step in a sweeping plan to remove the racist and misogynist slur “squaw” from the national geographic landscape. Hundreds of U.S. geographic sites, including mountains, rivers, lakes, remote islands and more, currently are named using the word, report Neil Vigdor and Christine Hauser for the   New York Times .

“Words matter, particularly in our work to make our nation’s public lands and waters accessible and welcoming to people of all backgrounds,” said Haaland, per the statement.

“Consideration of these replacements is a big step forward in our efforts to remove derogatory terms whose expiration dates are long overdue,” added the secretary, who is a member of the Pueblo of the Laguna and a 35th-generation New Mexican.

Haaland first announced a secretarial order to remove the offensive phrase from federal lands in November 2021. She created a 13-member Derogatory Geographic Names Task Force, composed of members from the National Park Service, the Bureau of Indian Affairs and several other government agencies, which she then tasked with surveying federal sites and generating new name alternatives, as Melissa Montalvo reports for the   Fresno Bee .

screen_shot_2022-03-16_at_93849_am.png Orange dots across the United States represent some of the more than 600 place names that will soon change under new guidelines. Visitors can access this map and more information about all proposed name changes   by clicking this link .     U.S. Department of the Interior

At the time, the secretary also officially declared “squaw” a derogatory term and directed the task force to replace the word with “sq­_ _ _” in all official communications, as Rina Torchinsky reports for   NPR .

Now, task force members are soliciting feedback on proposed name changes from Native American tribes and members of the public throughout the country. Those who wish to see the proposed name changes can view the   full list online   and   submit feedback   or   mail comments   through April 25. The task force will submit chosen names for final approval from the Board on Geographic Names, the federal body that standardizes American place names, per the   New York Times .

At least   five candidate replacement names   ere chosen for each geographic site. Names were picked based on nearby features—for instance, if “Castle Creek” was the closest named feature to a place called “Squaw Mesa,” the first proposed name might be “Castle Mesa,” reports the   Fresno Bee .

Some states, including Maine and Oregon, have already banned the word from place names, as Susan Montoya Bryan reported for the   Associated Press   last fall. And this month, lawmakers in California proposed their own state legislation that would replace all uses of the word in place names and geographic features, with a deadline of January 1, 2024, as Lila Seidman reports for the   Los Angeles Times .

lange.jpeg Dorothea Lange,   Upper end of  [Sq_ _ _]   Creek Valley near the mill, showing timber resources, Gem County, Idaho,  October 1939    Library of Congress

James C. Ramos, the first and only Indigenous   member   of the state Legislature, told the newspaper that the phrase, which is sometimes called the “S-word,” should be retired.

“There should be no reason why there shouldn’t be support to change the S-word, that is so degrading to Native American women, in the year 2022,” Ramos told the   Los Angeles Times .

Also speaking with the   Los Angeles Times,   ACLU advocate Tedde Simon noted that slurs such as these both “perpetuate and allow for violence” against Indigenous women, which is an ongoing crisis in the U.S. Eighty-four percent of Indigenous women experience some form of violence during their lifetimes, as Brandi Morin reported for   National Geographic   this week.

Last December, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) approved a move to change the name of change Sq_ _ _ Mountain, a peak in Clear Creek County, Colorado, to Mestaa’ėhehe Mountain. The word means “owl woman” in Cheyenne, and is the name of a famous 19th-century Cheyenne female leader. The name change was brought about by the Mestaa’ėhehe Coalition, a group of local tribal leaders, as Clarissa Guy reported for   Rocky Mountain PBS

Now, the Mestaa’ėhehe Coalition is pushing for another high-profle change: to retire the name of Mount Evans, one of the Rocky Mountain’s best-known peaks, ascending more that 14,000 feet above sea level—one of the more than 50 that are known as “14ers.” Its namesake is the former territorial governor of Colorado, John Evans, whose  proclamation   on August 11, 1864, led directly to the brutal Sand Creek Massacre. Volunteer cavalrymen killed an estimated 230 innocent Cheyenne and Arapaho people, including women, children and elders. 

These efforts, with the recent DOI initiative, are just some of the ways that communities across the country are reexamining the racist language and tropes related to Indigenous people that feature in their place names, team names,   monuments   and more. For instance, the dairy company Land O’Lakes retired   Mia , an Indigenous woman that once graced its well-known logo, in April 2020. And sports franchises including the   Cleveland baseball team   and the   Washington, D.C. football team   have rebranded to remove offensive references to Indigenous people from their names and logos.

In a   report   published earlier this year, the National Association of Tribal Historic Preservation Officers summarized helpful guidelines for those organizations and governments considering their own name changes, according to the  Times. 

“Contrary to some popular rhetoric, renaming racially insensitive or otherwise inappropriately named geographic features or land units is not ‘canceling history,’” the association wrote. “Rather, it is an opportunity to provide a more honest accounting of America’s past and a gesture toward healing historic wounds.”


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1stwarrior
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1  seeder  1stwarrior    2 years ago

Haaland first announced a secretarial order to remove the offensive phrase from federal lands in November 2021. She created a 13-member Derogatory Geographic Names Task Force, composed of members from the National Park Service, the Bureau of Indian Affairs and several other government agencies, which she then tasked with surveying federal sites and generating new name alternatives, as Melissa Montalvo reports for the    Fresno Bee  .

That's how you get it done.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2  Kavika     2 years ago

Excellent.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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2.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Kavika @2    2 years ago

Hey Kav - my family's former summer stomping ground along Little Squaw Creek (Colorado) is getting a name makeover, as well.  Finally!  

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1    2 years ago

That is good news, Sister.

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    2 years ago

Good...

 
 
 
Ender
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4  Ender    2 years ago

I am shocked. For once Mississippi is above the fray.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ender @4    2 years ago

'Course, you realize that the majority of the names of towns/places in MS/AL/LA/GA are Indian names - not much to think 'bout changing on that realm. :-)

 
 
 
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4.1.1  Ender  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1    2 years ago

There is a legend down here about Singing River (Pascagoula River).

Legend of Singing River
The princess of the Biloxi Tribe, Anola, fell in love with Altama, Chief of the rival Pascagoula Tribe.

This presented quite the dilemma in romance; the Biloxi Indians had already arranged a marriage between Anola and their own chieftain. Unable to marry someone whom she did not love, Anola fled her tribe to be with Altama and the Pascagoula Indians. This led to a vicious war between the two tribes. The Pascagoula Indians vowed that they would either save the young could or perish in their attempt.

Near the end of the war, the Pascagoula Indians were outnumbered and faced enslavement and death from the Biloxi Tribe. The Pascagoula Tribe gathered together near the dark waters of the Pascagoula River and held hands. They chanted a song of death and mourning as they walked into the river. Many believe that the souls of the Pascagoula Indian Tribe reverberate through the river itself. If you listen carefully, you might be able to hear the ancient song of Pascagoula River.

Sometimes you can actually hear the river 'sing'.

 
 
 
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4.1.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ender @4.1.1    2 years ago

You have GOT TO read Michael Gear's First Native American books - specifically "Coming of the Storm", "Fire the Sky" and "A Searing Wind" - all dealing with the Chickasaw, Choctaw, Biloxi, Natchez, Cherokee, Pascagoula, Yazoo, and that "marriage" is mentioned.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

Are they calling this the "don't saw squaw" secretarial order?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Right Down the Center @5    2 years ago

No.

Simply a good decision because it is simply the right thing to do. Hard to imagine how any one could argue otherwise, unless simply to argue. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  afrayedknot @5.1    2 years ago
Hard to imagine how any one could argue otherwise, unless simply to argue. 

That or they are bagwanawaadizi moosh nooshes. When translated from Anishinaabe is ''ignorant dumb asses''. Some on NT are perfect examples of that. 

 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.1.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    2 years ago

Agreed.

And as an aside, your language is beautiful to the ear. Thank you for the translation. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.3  Kavika   replied to  afrayedknot @5.1.2    2 years ago
your language is beautiful to the ear.

Miigwech (thank you)

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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5.1.4  Steve Ott  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    2 years ago

OMG! LMFAO! Good job Kavika. I'll be laughing for the next 15 minutes at least.

 
 
 
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5.1.5  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Kavika @5.1.3    2 years ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1.2    2 years ago

You can hear his language? That is one powerful computer/smartphone you have there.

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Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1    2 years ago
Simply a good decision because it is simply the right thing to do

Virtue signaling at it's finest. Who in the hell sits around LOOKING for stuff like this? And why erase history?

 
 
 
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5.1.8  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.6    2 years ago

Jim - when you "read" the Anishinaabe/Ojibwa languages, you can see how well the words flow and your mind imagines a gently creek/river moving down/across the hillsides.

 
 
 
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5.1.9  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.7    2 years ago

Donno - ask the conquerors 'cause they sure didn't write it right.

Erase history????  Whose Jim?  The Natives lived with the names of the locations for THOUSANDS of years and then the "conquerors" decided that they couldn't pronounce the words, so they changed the names to suit their egos/tongues?

What is the issue of listening to/learning 'bout the Native American histories from THEIR viewpoint - and not Jefferson's/Jackson's/Roosevelt's/Grant's/Washington's/etc. idiotic "I won and this is how it went." mentality?

OK, let's go another way - you're in NC - the Coharie, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, the Haliwa-Saponi, the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, the Meherrin, the Sappony, the Occaneechi Band of the Saponi Nation and the Waccamaw Siouan tribes have been there for a ton more years than dominant society and most of the locations in NC WERE Native American names.  "Think/remember" what you know 'bout the Eno Occaneechi/Saponi tribes?  How 'bout the Lumbee?  How 'bout the Coharie?  How 'bout the Yamasee tribe who were totally displaced by the Heroic Spanish Conquerors between 1522 through 1526 and taken to the Virgin Islands as (gasp) SLAVES for the Spanish plantations/sugar farms. 

It's amazing, but almost ALL of their languages/culture/heritage/history has been rewritten by the "Conquerors" in their bungling attempts to "erase history".

So, maybe that just goes to show why the histories of Europe, the U.S., Middle East, Africa, Asian countries is so futched up - the "true/real" history isn't shown - but only from the conquerors point of view.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.8    2 years ago

Okay. Guess I just don't share your insight due to the fact that I have no history of knowing how to pronounce any of it except moosh noosh. Thank you.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.7    2 years ago
Who in the hell sits around LOOKING for stuff like this?

People that feel a need to be offended.  Unfortunately it is a requirement of joining the woke brigade.

 
 
 
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5.1.12  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.11    2 years ago

RDTC - believe you need to rethink what you wrote and think long and hard 'bout the comment you made and what it implies - SPECIFICALLY on this topic..

 
 
 
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5.1.13  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.10    2 years ago

Well, I'm Chickasaw and our words don't sound anywhere near as pleasing.  :-)

 
 
 
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5.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.13    2 years ago

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5.1.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.9    2 years ago

I get your point. I just am insensitive I guess to how naming things with squaw in them is offensive. If it were not something of beauty such as the many many ones of these, I could see it better I guess. 

Thanks for your insight.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.16  Kavika   replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.11    2 years ago
People that feel a need to be offended.  Unfortunately it is a requirement of joining the woke brigade.

I've always thought it better to be part of the ''woke brigade'' than part of the ''comatose brigade'' but that is just from someone that understands what the word means/implies. 

 
 
 
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5.1.17  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.15    2 years ago

Well, you do know the history of the term "squaw/redskin", right?  I'm quite sure you wouldn't call Mrs. JJNCTttH a whore, would you?  I can just see how that would go - "Folks, I'd like you to meet my whore Susan - been my squaw for 'bout 35 year."  

I would then ask when your funeral is.

Nor would I see you walking around with the skin of an Indian wrapped 'round your shoulders as a prize and telling everyone just how poor a fighter the Indian wuz ('course, he didn't have a gun such as yours - just a knife) but it's your "redskin" now - go kill your own.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.9    2 years ago

That was effing beautiful!

 
 
 
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5.1.19  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.18    2 years ago

jrSmiley_16_smiley_image.gif - thank you so much Trout - means a lot.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.15    2 years ago

Well, being an Indian woman, I would give someone a mouth full if I got called a squ*w. How would you feel if someone called your wife a whore because that is basically what it means?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.11    2 years ago

No. "People" don't want to call places that were theirs, nasty words in their language, because some other "people," thought it was amusing. 

No one has to be "woke" to see when they are being offended.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.17    2 years ago

I did not know that.................

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.20    2 years ago

Thank you both. I didn't know that and NOW I totally understand. Holy crap my apologies for my seemingly heartless commentary.

Again, thanks!!

 
 
 
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5.1.24  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.23    2 years ago

No, thanks to you Jim - you're asking and learning - great.

 
 
 
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6  seeder  1stwarrior    2 years ago

Alrighty - let's get a more humorous look at what type of impact not using the correct/real/true meaning of a word means - 

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Sorry - someone threw that on my FaceBook page a few minutes ago - just couldn't resist going "off-topic".

Flag me if you must.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @6    2 years ago

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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6.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  1stwarrior @6    2 years ago

Might I suggest that a fist-full of no limit credit cards accompany the aforementioned, "You're next, chubby"...

 
 
 
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6.2.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.2    2 years ago

And the additional comment of "Ya want yer funeral tonight or tomorrow morning?"

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7  Nerm_L    2 years ago

Don't these locations have names in indigenous languages?  Seems like this effort is only intended to highlight grievances and stoke controversy.

 
 
 
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7.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Nerm_L @7    2 years ago

Yes, the places do have names in indigenous languages - Pontiac, Detroit, Tupelo, Memphis (Chickasaw for joining rivers) - those are not offensive - but, the Conqueror's version of Squaw Valley?? - ask the Ute/Piute/Shoshone and their name choices should be chosen such - as an example, "Last December, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) approved a move to change the name of change Sq_ _ _ Mountain, a peak in Clear Creek County, Colorado, to Mestaa’ėhehe Mountain. The word means “owl woman” in Cheyenne, and is the name of a famous 19th-century Cheyenne female leader. The name change was brought about by the Mestaa’ėhehe Coalition, a group of local tribal leaders."

The tribes/nations are being involved very heavily in the renaming process.  Read the thread and the links - you'll learn more.

 
 
 
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7.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1    2 years ago
Yes, the places do have names in indigenous languages - Pontiac, Detroit, Tupelo, Memphis (Chickasaw for joining rivers) - those are not offensive - but, the Conqueror's version of Squaw Valley?? - ask the Ute/Piute/Shoshone and their name choices should be chosen such - as an example, "Last December, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) approved a move to change the name of change Sq_ _ _ Mountain, a peak in Clear Creek County, Colorado, to Mestaa’ėhehe Mountain. The word means “owl woman” in Cheyenne, and is the name of a famous 19th-century Cheyenne female leader. The name change was brought about by the Mestaa’ėhehe Coalition, a group of local tribal leaders."

The example provided in the seed article explains that 'Squaw Mesa' is being renamed 'Castle Mesa'.  Why not rename 'Squaw Mesa' with the place name in the indigenous language?  Or is 'Castle Mesa' the name of the place in an indigenous language?

 
 
 
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7.1.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.1    2 years ago

Now, task force members are soliciting feedback on proposed name changes from Native American tribes and members of the public throughout the country. Those who wish to see the proposed name changes can view the    full list online    and    submit feedback    or    mail comments    through April 25. The task force will submit chosen names for final approval from the Board on Geographic Names, the federal body that standardizes American place names, per the   New York Times .

At least    five candidate replacement names    ere chosen for each geographic site. Names were picked based on nearby features—for instance, if “Castle Creek” was the closest named feature to a place called “Squaw Mesa,” the first proposed name might be “Castle Mesa ,” reports the   Fresno Bee  .

Seriously Nerm - you need to read each word in context to its content to the thread for fuller understanding.

The names have not been selected.  The Board is simply asking for feedback/comments (as is required for all Fed rulemaking) to be submitted to them by 4/25.  "Castle Mesa" is simply an "example" being given as to "what might occur."

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.2  Kavika   replied to  Nerm_L @7    2 years ago
Don't these locations have names in indigenous languages?  Seems like this effort is only intended to highlight grievances and stoke controversy.

You live in Minnesota so you should be aware of this. 

In 1995Minnesota made it illegal to have a “squaw” placename, this applied to geographical features, not towns. 

BTW, Minnesota is an Indigenous name, Lakota to be exact as are the Mississippi River and numerous towns/cities/villages throughout the state.

Seems like this effort is only intended to highlight grievances and stoke controversy.

I suppose that would be true in people with a closed mind, bigots, or the totally uninformed.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @7.2    2 years ago

So many places in the United States have Native American names. PA is full of them. Susquehanna comes to mind...a river, a valley, and a county.

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.1    2 years ago

Half the states have NA names as well, Trout.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @7.2.2    2 years ago

Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Tennesse, The Dakatos, Wyoming?, Minnesota....I can't name them all

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.2.4  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.3    2 years ago

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @7.2.4    2 years ago

10. Kentucky

Means one of three things: meadow lands, cane and turkey lands, or dark and bloody ground.

That cracked me up.

Thanks for that. It was very informative

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.2.6  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.5    2 years ago

Minnesota has been the ''Land of 10,000 lakes, or the Land of sky blue water, the name Minnesota actually means ''cloudy or muddy water''....LOST IN TRANSLATION...LOLOLOL.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @7.2.6    2 years ago

I was told a cool fact today...Minnesota has the most registered boats, Arkansas is second. We have a lot of lakes, too

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.2.8  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.7    2 years ago
Arkansas is second. We have a lot of lakes, too

I know, I've fished a couple of them.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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7.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @7    2 years ago

“…and stoke controversy.”

Read the comments above from those that know. We are lucky to have their expertise when disseminating fact from controversy.

‘Controversy’ that seems to fit an all too familiar narrative…and always from the usual subjects only so willing to cling to a white-washed, unyielding, and ultimately immovable point of view.

Again, do tell how is this a bad thing?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  afrayedknot @7.3    2 years ago
Again, do tell how is this a bad thing?

I'm not saying this is a bad thing.  What I am saying is that Interior Secretary Deb Haaland is taking the dumfuck approach.

A place name like 'Squaw Mesa' at least suggests a connection to a local Indian population.  Renaming 'Squaw Mesa' to 'Castle Mesa' removes that connection.  A name like 'Castle Mesa' completely removes the American Indian from the landscape. 

Doesn't 'Squaw Mesa' have a name in an indigenous language?  Using a place name in an indigenous language keeps the American Indian on the landscape.

 
 
 
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7.3.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.1    2 years ago

“A place name like 'Squaw Mesa' at least suggests a connection to a local Indian population.”

No nerm, at worst it suggests a connection.

And that is the long overdue and appropriate reasoning behind the decision. Grouse away at the new name or names, but never for a second think ‘squaw’ in anyway properly

“ … keeps the American Indian on the landscape.”

Using that phrase alone shows just how out of touch you are on this subject. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.3.3  Nerm_L  replied to  afrayedknot @7.3.2    2 years ago
And that is the long overdue and appropriate reasoning behind the decision. Grouse away at the new name or names, but never for a second think ‘squaw’ in anyway properly represents keeping

I agree.  I'm not grousing about removing 'squaw' from the map.  Just don't remove the American Indian from the map.

The Biden administration has simply screwed it up again just to pander to minority grievances.  The focus is only on those disparaging names.  Ain't Deb Haaland so woke?  But don't try to kid anyone that what Haaland is doing represents some kind of progress.  None of this celebrates the American Indian.

 
 
 
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7.3.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.3    2 years ago

“…just to pander to minority grievances.”

If that is your take, so be it…(the ‘woke’ reference does little to bolster your contention by the way) 

Others think this less pandering but finally listening and on that rare governmental occasion, doing the right thing. 

 
 
 
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7.3.5  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.3    2 years ago

"dumfuck" - " Deb Haaland so woke?  But don't try to kid anyone that what Haaland is doing represents some kind of progress."

Do you even know who Deb Haaland is???  Deb Haaland is a  Native American  and an enrolled member of the  Laguna Pueblo  tribe.

Don't think "dumfuck" would be an apt description.  I worked with her a few times when I was assigned to Kirtland AFB as the AF Western Regional Office for Tribal Liaison and Government Consultations for the Western U.S. and Pacific areas.  She is extremely far from being a "dumfuck" and I respect her highly.

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.3.6  Kavika   replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.3    2 years ago
I agree.  I'm not grousing about removing 'squaw' from the map.  Just don't remove the American Indian from the map.

Who is removing American Indians from the map? What is being removed is a racist/ignorant word. 

The Biden administration has simply screwed it up again just to pander to minority grievances.  The focus is only on those disparaging names.  Ain't Deb Haaland so woke?  But don't try to kid anyone that what Haaland is doing represents some kind of progress.  None of this celebrates the American Indian.

Wow, that is one ignorant comment even for you. It wasn't meant to celebrate, it was meant to remove a racist/ignorant word. Ignorant people would call it pandering to minority grievances but those with an IQ above room temperature recognize it for what it is. 

Are you aware of how many Indian names the state of Minnesota has, or are you aware of anything thing of the history of NA past and present in Minnesota? It would seem from your comment it's an area in which you are sadly lacking

Get out of your bubble and take a trip down to ''Little Earth'', it's right there in Minneapolis you certainly could use the exposure to things outside of your tiny world. Or better yet take a trip to Franklin Ave in Minneapolis and to the Minneapolis American Indian Culture Center and the blocks of culture/art/food of the original people of Minnesota. 

It would also seem that you have no idea who Deb Haaland is. FYI, she is a 35th generation New Mexican, an enrolled member of the Laguna Pueblo, which means she is Native American. That's for starters, if you'd like more info on her you can goggle it.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
7.3.7  shona1  replied to  Kavika @7.3.6    2 years ago

Morning...

I was more than pleased when Uluru was returned to the original custodians of the Land and renamed from Ayres rock...

No one is allowed to climb up it anymore and all traces of tourists including those that fell off it have been removed..

It is now in very safe hands as it should be..

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.3.8  Kavika   replied to  shona1 @7.3.7    2 years ago

When I was at Uluru it was raining and climbing was still allowed. An interesting situation took place, my wife asked me if I was going to climb Uluru, I told her no that wasn't possible for me to do because of the history of Uluru and the indigenous people. A few people heard me, none were indigenous, and started asking me some questions. Not being Koori I didn't want to try to explain to them what it stands for with the Indigenous people of Australia. There were a few indigenous people in a silent protest of climbing of Uluru. I took the group over to them and asked them to listen to the true guardians of the land. An amazing thing took place after listening to them the group, six or eight people said that they would not be climbing Uluru. 

It was for me, a beautiful moment and I'm sure that it meant much more to the Indigenous people there. 

Small victories can be a forever moment. One does not need to climb Uluru to be overwhelmed by its beauty and the spiritual feeling that is present.

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shona1
Professor Quiet
7.3.9  shona1  replied to  Kavika @7.3.8    2 years ago

Very true Kavika...I for one would not have climbed it either knowing what it means to the Koori people...

Walk around it yes and admire from afar..no need to trample over it...

They have had buckets of rain in the Territory and Uluru has shown her many faces of beauty...waterfalls cascading down the sides...for many a once in a life time event...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.3.10  Kavika   replied to  shona1 @7.3.9    2 years ago

We did see the waterfalls there had been a heavy rain a day or two before we got there, it was magnificent a once-in-a-lifetime vision.

 
 

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