Konstantin Kisin | This House Believes Woke Culture Has Gone Too Far
The only way to deal with the problem of racism is to treat people on the content of their character. And nothing else. And the fact that WOKE culture seeks to overturn that is a new form of racism that we must all oppose.”
This is a speech from Oxford that was released a few days ago on a debate over woke culture. Just a tour de force
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This is an effective a speech as I've seen in years. Just pure common sense.
The first half of it sounded like this guy had taken over Tucker Carlson's mind and put on a better suit.
I havent heard woke culture associated with laziness before , but to each their own.
Personally I dont care about woke culture and I dont care about the people who constantly, and I mean constantly, complain about it.
Such people are bothered about a great many liberal 'things' and it keeps them talking and capitalizing on books, films, and media profiteering. Dare I say, it is more a matter of bread and butter for them and their careers which otherwise would fall into mediocrity and boredom. Attacking liberals is a cash-cow for conservatives. They need a foe, a foil, and a 'packaged' enemy to contrast themselves so as to 'pop' with people who think patriotic is holding ground against anybody who won't conform to ideas and ways of the past.
Such conservatives are locked in to their narrow-minded worldview/s about most things in this life-which they declare "perfect" for their way of life—what's left out is negligible and left to 'burn' down and negate.
It plays itself out in conservatives waiting for liberals to give voice and name to a problem; then, conservatives, wide and large, will contend against it for power, influence, and 'fame.' Lastly, hoping to pull votes for their agendas too.
Exactly, you never see liberals here on in any other media, attacking conservatives.
Of course liberals have no choice but to mount a defense or get slaughtered politically by a never-ending closed-minded conservative takeover mentality. But carry-on. Because now the 'blame-game' has matured, feeding, financing and caring for its own survival.
Exactly, you are never ending victims.
And some conservatives are not?! Some conservatives tried to let their 'freak flag' fly and stormed the capitol building, the people's house, and the house STRIKES back. They are in jails/prisons/and under house arrest because of attempting to play 'victims' of a national election.
Why do you call them conservatives?
Exactly, you’re victimization is never ending.
. . . .
Gab, Parlor, Truth Social and now gradually Twitter?
Breitbart, Info Wars, Rush Limbaugh?
Conservatives fit the bill equally.
Isn’t Rush dead, in the ratings?
Exactly.
Yes but he left a 40 year legacy, didn't he?
The speaker makes comedic issues that are serious. He attacks "woke" culture by claiming it is liberal and whimsical. He equates, whether self-righteously, that conservatism is FREEDOM. It is not freedom to ignore climate change or destroy the eco-system of this planet for the sake of 'today's' children or entire population. Simply put, that is SHORT-SIGHTEDNESS. For what damage/s caused to the world we are here as STEWARDS of 'today,' will bear 'witness' of its effects in some future eco-system probably down to the level of the DNA makeup or its diminishing in a 'next' generation.
It is a fool's argument, he is making. Why? Because the speaker is making an EMOTIONAL/PASSIONATE jingoistic plea for freedom to reign over logic.
Here is a scenario/example to consider based on his speech: The Trolley Dilemma:
This speaker while taking the time to insult and taunt his attentive listeners with group/association attacks, did not establish how he would fix a planet destined in his scenario not to have a western world as free and clear at some distant time in the here to come future.
Thus, if we foolishly could split the world's eco-climate down the center of the planet (we can not) one could imagine a better outcome for the 'eastern' world which acts CONSERVATIVELY to save 'itself.' That is its sphere of influence and control.
I'm not sure how you could miss the point that badly. He's trying to get you to wake up and deal with reality.
HIs point is that performative outrage, like throwing soup at art or forcing people to give up conveniences that achieve almost zero, or actually have a negative effect, will accomplish nothing to solve climate change, and the poor countries who do most of the polluting (China) aren't going to keep their people in poverty to satisfy western demands. 90%of new Co2 emissions come from China and India. They aren't going to stop emitting.
But I guess the left has embraced a much more pernicious form of colonialism., in which they strive to keep the developing world living in as much squalor as possible.
That's what happens when production is outsourced. You can start blaming Nixon, Carter and the corporate greed that dove in belly first.
You can start blaming Nixon, Carter a
Or they just wanted to improve their lives. Poverty is bad.
Destroying the atmosphere (and suffering permanent planetary burn-out) in a century is 'worse.'
"Performative" outrage: 1. Got some 'hidden' homosexuals in high places to come out when they heard a rumor that their 'T" was going to be spilled if they didn't "do it" themselves. 2. Performative outrage: Got HIV/AIDS research and medicines policies developed and out to what some conservatives stigmatized in the public as 'nasty' people.' 3. Performative outrage: caused animal fur to remain on the hides of animals slaughtered for their hairy 'coats.'
Undoubtedly, some conservatives don't like "performative" outrage because it works!
As Sean said, I'm not sure how you could miss the point that badly. He's making the same point I tried to make here a year and a half ago about the futility of wearing masks to protect against Covid. Yes, Covid exists, like climate change, but there's little point in masks when most of the rest of the world is busy creating variants as fast as they can naturally produce themselves. It is the same with climate change. You can pat yourself on the back by putting your plastic in the proper recycling bin rather than the trash. After you do, though, you should go look at pictures of waterways in Malaisia, India and other countries.
So, let's see if I can put this vid's point in terms you might be able to understand. Assume there's some issue with wearing clothes that the woke crowd believes is killing the planet. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant. His point is, you're never going to convince people to freeze to death for the sake the planet. You can bravely stand on the street corner, taking all your clothes off to show the world how much you care and all that will happen is people will take your clothes and keep themselves and their family warm. This is what is called 'human nature.'
Now, you can choose to continue to believe the point was an emotional or passionate plea of some sort, but he was just pointing out the stupidity of being the only one standing on the street corner.
Drakkonis, I almost overlooked that this is you! Still, I thank God that I have worn/wear masks outdoors and indoors since the start of the Covid 19 'season' (2020) and I successfully completed all by (seasonal) vaccinations and booster programs. To date, millions worldwide have contracted Covid-19 and depending on the state of their personal health/constitution: They have gotten mildly, dreadfully, ill or dead!
Each time I have tested for Covid-19 for some planned medical procedure (been several such occasions at least since 2020) I have tested "NON-DETECTED." As recently as December 2022, I have friends/family that have tested positive for Covid-19 several of them 2 times. As is my 'norm' for such things: I give God the glory for such happenings. Thus, it is my determined opinion through being in the proximity (nearness) of sick people (who do not yet know they are infected or do not care about being so) that mask do work to protect me against the ignorance and arrogance of people surrounding me on all sides: Unmasked and improperly vaccinated against viruses.
As for plastic bags. . . how are we 'doing' on the problem of sea life deaths offshore of California (12 miles out in the Pacific Ocean)? It would be interesting to know if we are making headway in saving sea life by limiting the number of plastic bags we once were freely given, but now are required to purchase (10 cents each).
Moving on.
I will point out that planetary catastrophe (seas flooding coastal lands, etceteras) outweighs extreme nakedness by a lot. I will point out to you the irony of a conservative, choosing to put liberty and freedom on 'display' over an beyond conservation.
That some in our citizenry intend to make liberty and freedom into a 'saintly' state holds not sway with nature. Nature will 'drop' us where we stand in its path!
Indeed, it is a failure to understand priorities that costed an UNKNOWN virus to kill tens of thousands upward to a million plus citizens of this country. People 'went around' boasting about liberty and freedom with their unmasked, unvaccinated selves—got sick, got ill, got long-covid-19, and got grave-yard dead. Why? Because they did not show DUE RESPECT FOR THE UNKNOWN. That is, Covid-19, which later became a lot less an unknown, but still is a vicious viral contagion.
Mr. Kisin, in trying to appear confident and strong in his remarks, fails to take account that he is utterly missing the point: Being woke, with intention to save a planet scientists are expressing as ticking its way to destruction, can not extend freedom and liberty to any humanity that will not be here to take it in. His argument is bogus, but it is delivered with all a substantial amount of arrogance.
There is no doubt about it: everything sounds so much better with a British accent.
The point is so logical. Shall we destroy ourselves over something we can't fix all by ourselves?
Why do we allow our young to be trained to think with nothing but emotion?
I'm not surprised that Mr. Kisin's many critics in the media and social media oppose teaching our young people critical thinking and want to create another dumbed-down DEI generation.
Who teaches you not to believe conspiracy theories?
You have to remember these are the same people that refuse to let kids talk about race and want to ban books from libraries.
Why would you accuse me of believing conspiracy theories when my comment 6 specifically states critical thinking?
Which is outright ignorance on its face. BTW, refusing to teach kids about the past is a setup for them finding out about racism 'in the streets.' And when those red-state youths do find out about it, they will resent their parents for allowing them to be blind-sided by it. It's happened before in the 60s when kids found out what their dads where doing to run the country and disadvantage minorities: Those kids were traumatized and hated their parents for being leeches and liars about who and how they 'created' wealth. Also, it is the same as when a reader reads the bible and 'discovers' for his/her self that certain bible passages are consistently told/taught to them from childhood but actually read differently. The betrayal is palpable.
That's some strawman!
Are you denying that from time to time you believe in conspiracy theories?
Conspiracy theories are not critical thinking.
Explain why. Else you just popped up to say, "nuh-uh.'
No one is refusing to teach kids about the past. It’s a fictional talking point.
It is your argument. Prove it.
If you don't know or understand what all the CRT 'backlash' in red-states is about, it's U.S. history which conservatives suggest is making young white youths 'mental,' and sorry for the sad-sacks of the past who caused the troubles for others living in this country not apart of their collective tribes, then you need to get a better understanding of the subject you are anemic on, because this, this, ain't serving you well at all.
So no evidence anyone is "refusing to teach kids about the past."
I am going to let you catch up on your own time.
That $hit some conservatives are trying to sell states/nation/world is what's truly silly and fake. And as wrong as two-left schools. Some conservatives can lie to themselves and their children,. . . but when the children grow up. They will look at some conservative old, tired, and fragile (by then) with resentment, laughter, or just simply say: "God bless you!"
You aren't fooling anyone.
Ohhh! It's not April Fool's Day so why would I even bother to try fooling you? Spend the time wisely.
God sincerely bless you, Texan1211!
Well, I have to admit that there was a time when I believed that:
Thank you for stating the obvious.
Have a great weekend.
You post wacky conspiracy theories all the time.
name one
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion ... which of the 3 don't you like?
Racism is racism. Whatever you call it. Do you think calling a bill the "inflation reduction act" means it reduces inflation?
I didn't ask you.
Why not? I've read morons who claim ANTIFA aren't fascists because it's in their name.
Then why, in your comment 6.2 , did you ask me a question I directed only to John Russell's 6.1.2? This is, after all, supposed to be a public forum where we are encouraged to engage in Free Speech.
Free Speech
Hahahahahahahaha…………
Actually, ANTIFA stands for Anti First Amendment
You will never see a leftist here admit to it.
None of them, as the Left defines them.
Diversity: Does not primarily refer to acceptance of differences in others. Rather, diversity means not having firm, foundational ideas about anything concerning what is morally right or even objectively true. It isn't simply relativism in society but within one's own thoughts.
Equity: A metric without any discernible objective standard beyond "You have more than she does. You must give her some of what you have." Not only does it not take into account effort, contribution and merit, it seeks to actively eliminate such from consideration.
Inclusion: A restatement of diversity. You must discard any value or principle you may hold because validating something or someone else takes precedence over yourself.
Where, and to what extent is this not happening?
Drakkonis, I am going to speak directly to you about equity from a Christ-centric point of view: What is God's grace to mankind?
Is it not the granting of unmerited favor to someone who has/can not do anything to MERIT/EFFORT IT/CONTRIBUTE to it? Moreover, grace, is extended to our world without any consideration of man's past dealings/harms against others, is it not? (Our past is put into a 'sea of God's forgetfulness.' Hebrews 8:12.)
Therefore, God has granted EQUITY to humanity while in this life! And yet, you dare say you can not extend the same to your 'brethren' in this life! That is wrong and shameful!
"The only way to deal with the problem of racism is to treat people on the content of their character. And nothing else."
Ever get the feeling this is the only thing folks such as Kisin can quote by MLK? It's not used as an argument but as a weapon to own the "woke". The hypocrisy is not only glaring but also devoured by the cancel culture crowd.
Ever get the feeling that this same quote is the most hated by the Left?
Pretty obvious at times. Special privilege and treatment due to the color of their skin. If they'd quit doing that shit, perhaps people of color would quit feeling as though they are victims.
Not everybody on the 'Left' or not every liberal is a god-hater, Drakkonis. Do modulate your statements accordingly.
Some conservatives are crazy to think they can call for law and order, or some concocted, selective, version of racial reconciliation while being stubborn and ridiculous hypocrites still trying to turn liberals (and the majority of minorities) into stamped copies of themselves.
Well, it is good (I guess) that some conservatives think minorities need to be schooled about the causes and effects of racism. All the while, when you read through the comments on this and other discussion boards; one could make a list all the denigrating remarks about blacks and other minorities not be equal to the task of carrying some white (or other minority) conservative boots. So tell me: How is denigrating minorities while feigning denigrating liberals is "treating people on the content of their character.
Some conservatives, y'all are delusional! Liberals might can learn some things politically from you, but how to have better character content is not one of them!
As soon as someone uses a buzz word like “woke” I stop listening. The use of buzz words tell me all I need to know about the content of the rest of a speech, video, or article. It is an attempt to get an emotional reaction and not an attempt at any sort of rational discourse.
The speaker makes a very good point. They way to address climate change is to make renewable energy more affordable (and more available). Indeed.
I would extend his argument. In addition to economics and availability, it is important that nations set examples for those who are not on board by actively moving towards renewable energy.
In addition, innovation and change need drivers. To get less costly / more available renewable energy, we need a global market that will consume it and encourage more research and development; we need a global market that is shifting (incrementally of course) from fossil fuels to renewable.
Commonsense and history tells us that China, India, etc. will indeed continue to use carbon-dirty sources of energy as long as these are convenient and economical. So the challenge is indeed to gather renewable momentum, develop technology that can deliver affordable renewable energy and, in result, reduce demand on fossil fuels (which will, in turn, have the economic effect of making them less affordable and renewables more affordable).
If the largest carbon emitters on the planet never play ball, then we are all screwed. So one can take a cynical position of "fuck it, my clean practices will not make a difference" or one can recognize that a strong momentum towards renewables and away from fossil fuels is our best course of action to mitigate anthropogenic factors adversely affecting the climate.
In the end, those who understand the problem and are willing to work on its solution will either drive critical mass to effect necessary global change (as described above) or we will all suffer the consequences of failure.
Work - build - innovate, nothing wrong with that motto. We have come to lack an interest in critical thinking, mathematics, science and engineering when they are most desperately needed. Interesting article here about The Decline of American Science & Engineering .
This same decline, or lack of educational prioritization, in the fields of mathematics, science and engineering has put us behind the eight-ball in terms of designing real solutions to climate change at a time when we need it the most. Only 7% of US students in college study engineering and over half of them never graduate. Video games, apps that can warp one's face, Snapchat, Instagram, TikTok - all great, but all a tremendously useless waste of time when in comes to addressing real engineering problems like avoiding hunger, poverty and climate change around the globe.
Exactly! And that starts with driving renewed interest in mathematics, science and engineering to solve problems and effect positive change. We MUST, once again, put these subjects and critical thinking at the top of our educational priorities from elementary to post-graduate studies and beyond! We need to wake up. THAT is the "woke" we need.
In addition to my rant at #11.1 above, I found this article on LinkedIn regarding the top 5 reasons why engineering students drop out at such a high rate these days. It both hits the nail on the head and infuriates me at the same time. Perhaps before we can cure our educational woes, we must address what underlies them.
The top 5 reasons why engineering students drop out are as follows, with my smart-ass commentary to follow each:
Yeah no shit! And since when did tackling the difficult become just so impossible to bear? What have we done to our children?
Yeah no shit again! This actually started in my generation, saw plenty of it in high school. I have my father to thank for showing me the right path when it comes to hard work and not seeking the easy way around it.
Again, what have we done to our children? Coddling or shielding our kids from failure did not help them, in fact it may have crippled them and our society for generations to come. Life, like baseball, is a game of failure. The most important lessons in life, on our path to success, are learned when we get back up and try again after we first strike-out.
Logical and rational thinking, problem solving, trouble-shooting, time management, organizational skills - all things crucial to being a successful engineer. These things need to be instilled in us when we are very young. Even if one is not pursuing an engineering career, these things are crucial to being a productive member of society and a teacher to our children.
Sure - occasionally. And one can either give in to it and quit, or one can learn how to manage it like an engineering project. Identify the exact nature of the problem and design an elegant solution. Of all the reasons above, I can relate to this one the most both in engineering college and in my career. When I did complain about the stress my Dad always gave me the best advice. He looked me straight in the eye and said, "Deal with it!". I said "Screw you Pops!"... and I dealt with it.
Sean,
This article is not a blog. It is a regular seed since the majority of it is from a youtube and the other part is a quote from Ron De Santos. Blogs are original articles written by a member, which is why they get prominent standing on the front page, for that member's work. I am moving this into the regular article section.