"Your Speech is Violence": How the Mob is Using a New Mantra to Justify Campus Violence
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Below is my column in The Hill on the increasing justification of violence by the left on our campuses by declaring speech itself "violence." It is part of the license of our age of rage for many who want to silence opposing viewpoints. There is, however, a way to end this anti-free speech movement sweeping through higher education.
Here is the column:
"Silence is violence." When those words became a popular mantra years ago on college campuses, I wrote that the anti-free speech movement was moving toward compelled speech while declaring dissenting views to be harmful.
Today, it isn't just silence that is considered violence on college campuses. It is also speech, as both faculty and students are actively shutting down opposing views on subjects ranging from abortion to climate change to transgender issues.
Recently, many people were shocked by a videotape of Hunter College professor Shellyne Rodriguez trashing a pro-life student display in New York. Most were focused on her profanity and vandalism, but there were familiar phrases that appeared in her diatribe to the clearly shocked students.
Before trashing the table, she told the students, "You're not educating s-t […] This is f-king propaganda. What are you going to do, like, anti-trans next? This is bulls-t. This is violent. You're triggering my students."
The videotape revealed one other thing. At Hunter College, and at other colleges, it seems that trashing a pro-life student display and abusing pro-life students is not considered a firing offense. Hunter College refused to fire Rodriguez.
The PSC Graduate Center, the labor organization of graduate and professional schools at the City University of New York, supported that decision and said Rodriguez was "justified" in trashing the display, which the organization described as "dangerously false propaganda" and "disinformation."
Rodriguez later put a machete to the neck of a reporter, threatened to chop him up and then chased a news crew down a street with the machete in hand. Somewhere between the machete to the neck and chasing the reporters down the street, Hunter College finally decided that Rodriguez had to go.
Rodriguez denounced the school for having "capitulated" to "racists, white nationalists, and misogynists." She explained that her firing was just a continuation of "attacks on women, trans people, black people, Latinx people, migrants, and beyond."
The redefinition of opposing views as "violence" is a favorite excuse for violent groups like antifa, which continue to physically assault speakers with pro-life and other disfavored views . As explained by Rutgers Professor Mark Bray in his "Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook," the group believes that "'free speech' as such is merely a bourgeois fantasy unworthy of consideration."
As one antifa member explained, free speech is a "nonargument…you have the right to speak but you also have the right to be shut up."
When people criticized antifa for its violent philosophy, MSNBC's Joy Reid responded to the critics that "you might be the fascist."
Faculty members have followed this sense of license to silence others. Former CUNY law dean Mary Lu Bilek even insisted that disrupting a speech on free speech was free speech. (Hunter is part of the CUNY system.)
The same week as the Rodriguez attack at the State University of New York at Albany, sociology professor Renee Overdyke shut down a pro-life display and then allegedly resisted arrest.
Just last week, the Pride Office website at the University of Colorado (Boulder) declared that misgendering people can be considered an "act of violence."
This week, University of Michigan economics professor Justin Wolfers declared that some of those boycotting the store Target over its line of Pride Month clothing were engaging in "literal terrorism." (He insists that he was referring to those confronting Target employees.)
Faculty have also justified attacks on pro-life figures. At the University of California, Santa Barbara, feminist studies associate professor Mireille Miller-Young physically assaulted pro-life advocates and tore down their display.
She pleaded guilty to criminal assault, but the university refused to fire her. Instead, some faculty and students defended her, including claiming that pro-life displays constitute terrorism. The University of Oregon later honored Miller-Young as a model for women advocates.
Likewise, at Fresno State University, public health professor Dr. Gregory Thatcher recruited students to destroy pro-life messages.
Other faculty have called for or countenanced violence against Republicans and conservatives. Professors have shouted down speakers, destroyed property, participated in riots and verbally attacked students.
University of Rhode Island professor Erik Loomis defended the murder of a conservative protester and said he saw "nothing wrong" with such acts of violence. He was later elevated to the position of director of graduate studies of history.
As faculty commit or support violence, students are assured that others are the violent ones. Recently, at the University of Texas at Austin, Professor Kirsten Bradbury tested her students on psychology by asking them "which sociodemographic group is most likely to repeatedly violate the rights of others in a pattern of behavior that includes violence, deceit, irresponsibility, and a lack of remorse?" Of course, the answer was wealthy white men.
The lesson took with students. A recent poll shows that 41 percent of college students now believe violence is justified to fight hate speech. At Cornell, a conservative speaker was shouted down, met with the common mantra that "your words are violence." At Case Western, the student newspaper editorialized against university recognition of a pro-life group because its pro-life views are "inherently violent" and "a danger to the student body." At Wellesley, student editors declared that it was time to shut down conservative speakers and that "hostility may be warranted." They added, "The spirit of free speech is to protect the suppressed, not to protect a free-for-all where anything is acceptable, no matter how hateful and damaging."
Those views did not spontaneously appear in the minds of these students. At one time, tolerance for free speech was the very touchstone of higher education and a common article of faith for students. These students are the product of years of being told that free speech is dangerous and harmful if left unregulated. From elementary school to college, they were taught that they did not have to be "triggered" by the speech of others.
We are still (thankfully) drawing the line at machete attacks. But it is the underlying views of Rodriguez that are the true threat, and they are being replicated throughout the country. We are raising a generation of censors and speech-phobics.
If we want to stop or reverse this trend, Congress must act. I have proposed legislation that would deny federal funding to schools that do not protect core free speech principles. We are funding schools that are taking a machete to the defining right of our democracy.
It is akin to the recent resolution of the case of an antifa member who took an axe to Sen. John Hoeven's (R-N.D.) office in Fargo. Thomas "Tas" Alexander Starks, 31, was given probation…and his axe back.
We may not be able to deter people from speaking through machetes and axes, but we can at least stop subsidizing the hardware.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law for George Washington University.
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It is the era of the left and the end of what was once called "the great experiment."
meh, I've got no problem with people promoting hat-red and unconstitutional ideals getting their melons thumped. it's rather enjoyable watching the pendulum swing back into the right for people that are old enough to remember the late 60's and early 70's. this century it could be the bible thumpers getting their faith tested with ambulance rides.
Those are incredibly hate-filled comments aside from wishing harm to others.
I guess that's what it takes these days. Harvard U just hired a failed, radical one term former Chicago Mayor to teach leadership at the once heralded college.
Harvard isnt heralded anymore? Probably not I suppose , on Newsmax, OAN, Fox News, and the Steve Bannon podcast.
What goes around comes around. Don't be surprised when your melon eventually gets thumped. Your propensity of advocating violence against others with different views and censoring their opinions is well known hereabouts.
This is exactly the issue. Liberals made gains on minority (women, poc, gays) rights > the right started going around to campuses saying intolerant things > young people started heckling and shutting them down in various ways > the Proud Boys formed to physically fight them > Antifa rose up to fight the Proud Boys > Tea Baggers changed their name to Freedom Caucus and MAGA and won some elections > Populists doubled down on idiocy and lost the mid-terms > is looking to tripple down on what cost them in 2024 > we'll see how that works?
luckily for colorado, urban fascists and autocrats are relegated to cowering in the shadows.
Looks like Joe Oltmann finally stepped in his own shit. That's one more good thing there in CO. Hopefully he gets charged with either voter fraud OR perjury.
Far too many people fail to realize that Antifa has morphed into the very hate filled types of people they claim so much to hate! Hypocrisy, the name is Antifa.
antifa is a worldwide anti-fascist organization from the 40's that has nothing to do with the democratic party. I don't know anyone that [belongs Deleted more power to them...]
An organization consisting of many Democrats.
Oooh, a bunch of black-clothed idiots beating up on people in groups. How manly!
Do please tell me where I mentioned the words Democratic Party in post #1.1.8. Oh that's right, I did not did I?
Seems like a strawman argument, doesn't it?
Amen To that.
Marched with the SDS in the late 60s and early 70s against Nam.
Thankfully my university didn't turn into another Kent State.
Sure can't fault the youth of today for continuing the fight against fascism.
(Pretty sure we had lots more fun though. Free sex and drugs helped.)
Some of us were serving in the military in Vietnam and elsewhere. We did not have the time or inclination to deal with some of the BS that was going on at home. Actually, just trying to do our jobs as best we could and to stay alive and make it home in relatively one piece was more important to us at the time along with watching our buddies backs while they watched ours. It's fair to say we had a totally different mindset then those at protesting who were more than willing to spit on us and kick us and call us war mongering baby killers when we came home. I found that particularly ironic as I was a Navy Hospital Corpsman in the medical field serving with the Marines. But that was a long time ago.
Sure can't fault any of that Ed. Many of my friends were over there.
Most wished that they were back in the world.
So many knew that the gulf of Tonkin event never happened.
So many knew that they had no choice in the matter.
It became kill or be killed no matter why.
It was all about showing the Chi-com that the West would spend men and money without end just to make a point.
It was all about the military industrial complex making billions.
many of us at home knew all of this and wanted to get our friends home and stop a useless war. Hell! Nam is now a major trade partner.
Unfortunately a few ignorant assholes blamed those who served instead of those who sent them.
I, personally, trashed a few radicals who trashed returning soldiers.
It was a very, very bad dumpster fire time for all Americans.
Had a draft # in the 50s and then my 1A became a 1H.
Damn shame really. Always wanted to visit Canada.
Most do not realize that many, myself included, had to keep fighting even after coming home. We had to fight the inner demons we brought home with us. Some are still fighting them on account of what we saw and went through. those who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting theirs as well. I was fortunate to gain control of the inner demons rather than let them control me. I still have nightmares. I had the blessing of a good wife who stuck with me when others would have walked. She held me in the middle of the night the nightmares came. Whatever awards I received, my late wife deserved them far more than I ever did. Without her, I would have wound up as a statistic.
Served as a Fleet Marine Force qualified Hospital Corpsman flying as medical aircrew on USMC UH-1 Huey SAR/Medevac birds from a helicopter carrier USS Okinawa (LPH-3) off the coast.
Thank you for your service as well.
The SDS--rooted in socialism.
Wise choice.
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declared that misgendering people can be considered an "act of violence."
It's hysteria. They need to believe they are the most oppressed people to ever exist, so they abuse language to aid in their performative victimhood.
But the contrast is interesting when it comes to actual threats of violence from their allies is how little they care. Homeless people threatening to hurt others on a subway is something to be ignored, calling a man "he" is worthy of punishment.
Hopefully, far right wing fascism will never be welcome on any college campus.
It's brownshirts marching with tiki torches and Nazi salutes that worry me.
This just sounds like some existential threat bullshit off of some internet rag.
So you didn't watch the Nazis marching in Charlottesville? 8/12/17
Trump said that "Unite the Right" Nazis were "very good people".
Google is your friend. Get the facts.
Link please
I know what the facts are.
I am just unwilling to accept that Nazism is some type of real threat in America (based on numbers) that I need to get all worked up and hysterical about.
Especially if the best you can do is drag up something from 6 years ago!
yes, condemn those people but stop acting like it is some crisis that only Antifa or Democrats can 'fix'.
They are under your pillow! Look out!
ACTUAL quote was "included some very good people" NOT a blanket statement saying they were all.
Get your facts straight indeed.
When you think about it those calling people racist, misogynist, transphobic, sexist, homophobic, bigot are the ones blathering on and on about tolerance while trying to cancel others who disagree with them. They think you are the fascist while they violently and aggressively try to shut you down. And ironically these same people believe 18 is too young to own a firearm but think its fine a third grad child is old enough to change genders.
Because racism, sexism, homophobia and bigotry are wrongheaded and bassackwards and thus deserving of ridicule and condemnation. What do the damn throwbacks expect? Those are deplorable traits...
Let me guess, you only read half of the 1st sentence.
Throwbacks!
Perfect description!!!!!!!
Interesting logic calling out those opposing intolerance as intolerance. Do you not see the irony there?
Imagine that. You don't see the correlation. Can't say I'm surprised.
I see people working incredibly hard using twisted logic to defend the indefensible. Idiot right wing culture warriors gave rise to idiot left wing culture warriors and now I have to see here every fucking day, when if people just stayed out of other people's business (but we have to save the children...bah bullshit!) everyone would be so much better off.
Neither am I.
So you are good with the targeting of children.
No, I'm saying that the "targeting of children" is a made up excuse to fuel the right wing rage. No one, but triggered populist right wingers think "Winter Break" on a school calendar instead of "Christmas" should be a concern. No one ever cared about afternoon drag shows before the right wing populist anti-trans movement. Fuck no one cared about the trans until the right lost on gay marriage, but hey got to have a liberal boogieman to keep that reelection cash flowing...
I'm seeing a lot of the same twisted logic for "saving the children" too by calling it "Parental Rights" except it denies the parental rights of others and sometimes even puts the children they claim to be trying to save in harms way.
Actually, our exact words were
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Hahahaha! You're a mind reader now? Spin it anyway you want to deflect from the point the alt+right populist anti-liberal violence spewing social justice warriors don't give a shit about other people's children OR parental rights other than to dictate how everyone else must cow under their fascist rule.
My God, where did you hear that crap at?
Is your god better than everyone elses?
The Gosars, Moores, Lakes, MTGs, Santorums, Antons, Meadows, Schlapps and Posobiecs of US politics can't just hang out with White Supremists and fascist world figures and not get reported on.
Did I write anything even remotely close to being in the vicinity of that question, or have I ever made such a claim?
Get off that stupid false, conniving fascist schtick, dude!
Nope. Just reading your words.
I think you hit all the talking points. Double check, make sure you didn't miss anything. That little hissy fit is an example of you being one of those who can't handle differing opinions. Not that it is something many of us didn't already know. Now you go off just like I mentioned happening in 3 above.
Thank you for proving my point.
You assume so much of others, but when it's directed back you get butthurt? HAHAHAHA!
I'll get off it when the populists stop trying to legislate it. I'll get off it when our US politicians stop speaking at white supremists rallies and hanging out with people like Brazil's Bolsonaro and Hungary's Orban. I'll get off it when the top of the GOP Presidential list stops posting online messages praising Kim Jong-un. I'll get off it when politicians stop intervening in women and children's medical and mental health issues.
Until then no.
It almost reads like direct quotes from some liberal over-the-top playbook, designed to get as many trigger words into it as possible to virtue signal other liberal types to the righteousness of their thoughts!
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A Pee Wee Herman-type response. Devoid of thought and reason.
Suit yourself, wallow in the muck.
I usually expect it.
What else can they do?
I probably left a few out.
Yes. I'm so, so, so intolerant of intolerance. The mind bending mental gymnastics you need to justify your "differing opinions" is still staggering.
Thank you for proving mine too.
I'm just following your example.
If you actually were, you would stop asking questions wholly unrelated to the topic or anything I have written.
Why do you keep replying if you don't like it? I must be fueling some need in you. HA!
Because I am trying to get you to engage in a decent conversation.
If that isn't you, just tell me and I'll move on from this stupidity.
Okay. Go ahead let's start a "decent" conversation.
Oh definitely. That barrage of personal attacks and name calling should be starting soon.
I tried, you didn't wish to engage civilly so you have blown your chance!
Where?
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Oh looky there. Personal attacks. The normal tactic from liberals who are struggling to remain relevant.
Interesting logic defining those attempting to impose their own intolerant definitions as "opposing intolerance".
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I've never in my life heard normal people complain about "woke" activity on college campuses. Normal people dont care about what college students do.
The easily triggered far right activists like Jonathan Turley though, they snowflake.
For those of you who would complain that Turley is not right wing, I suggest you look at his website. It is nothing but MAGA sympathizing from beginning to end.
So you don't believe in freedom of speech or that all views should be heard, no matter how offensive that might be to some?
Many, but not, all on the hard core liberal left only believe if free speech when it applies to them.
Far right wing hate speech will always be offensive to me.
You have the right to spout your lies and I have the right to trash fascists.
It is a two way street, but I guess that is not part of the equation to you as you most likely think the left is pure as the new fallen snow!
I'm not? Damn....
I'm afraid that we are just mostly gray matter buddy.
(and that's a compliment)
Is that what he said?
Right. There's no correlation between what happens on college campuses and the future of our country. It's not like that's pretty much exclusively where our leaders come from.
John's new position is "why care about what kids are taught?"
This is the second time today I've seen somebody from the liberal left express they don't care about the kids.
How about you worry about your kids and I will worry about mine. When did people stop minding their own lives and not minding other people's business
And don't come back at me with your usual "liberal trash blah blah blah"
It's the fucking conservatives that are trying to tell me how to teach and raise my kids!
If the far left started talking about Sunday Schools as indoctrination centers like the right talks about public schools they would be shitting their pants.
That's all well and good but you do realize that those "kids" will be entwined with others in school. They need the basics NOT the bullshit that goes in opposition to actual fundamental learning and THAT is what the "fucking Democrats" want for the most part.
that's what I love about my state, it's the republicans that are at the forefront of putting a muzzle on the moronic bible thumpers. it seems death threats are especially effective when emanating from the same side of the political abyss as the theocratic fringe. sane republicans are beginning to take a stand.
They don't already????
ight talks about public schools they would be shitting their pants.
Can you see the difference between Sunday schools where parents voluntarily send their kids and public schools?
And its complete bullshit.
They've spent 50 plus years working to control our education system and using it to promote their favored narratives. See the 1619 project. They are only mad that people finally started noticing.
It's like the gas stove debacle:
1. Liberals say they are going to change the laws to ban gas stoves
2. Conservatives say, we are going to stop you from banning gas stoves.
3. Liberals then pivot to "conservatives are waging a culture war over gas stoves"
Lol. sure. That's why you are raising hell in the seed about schools hiding a kids transgenderism from their parents. You obviously care so much about parent's rights to raising their kids without other's interference.
It shows you how perverted the left's take on this is. They just want parents to send their kids to be indoctrinated and shut up about it. They don't want parents to have a say while dishonestly claiming parent's rights are what they care about. They believe parents have the right to shut up and accept whatever the left decides to teach their kids.
Anybody who pays attention understands they are just mad that anyone criticizes their control of education.
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These folks are whacked out.
Somehow, schools aren't supposed to give a freaking aspirin to a kid without parental permission, yet it's cool with liberal whackjobs to hide from the parents life-altering decisions made by KIDS.
All this bullshit talk about being told how to 'raise their kids' is just an excuse.
That Cali law is crazy!
And Turley is spot on here.
Liberals have effectively shut down speech on campuses because they don't like to hear opposing views.
That is why the label it "violent" when it is merely in opposition.
They are LYING when they claim anything otherwise.
Not like the right wing nut job social justice warriors where we need state laws to prevent harm to children.
Are you saying that parents can't home school or send their children to religious schools voluntarily? Shit-fire! OK just opened the first religious charter school funded by tax payer money!
Some families have both parents working.
Others may not be able to afford private schools.
That leaves them with public schools they help pay for.
I think parents should have a say in what their kids do.
So home school your kids and don't worry about it. Or send them to a private school
And I'm a democrat and I want kids to learn the 3 basics. History and science are extremely important, also
that's a fucking lie....prove it or shut the hell up
I didn't say one goddamn thing about hiding transgenderism from parents.
That’s why teacher unions are fighting school choice so hard. When school funds follow the student nationwide, they know their gig is up.
It already happening. Especially in the heart of the public school problem. Large urban districts.
Women shouldn't be at home taking care of the children and household, or that's what the fundies keep telling us.
Well that's classist of them.
Then you oppose the laws in red states for taking away parental choices of trans kids?
Shouldn't be at home. Many aren't which is what I wrote. I don't give a fuck what others tell you. If you have issues with it, take it up with THEM.
An ignorant statement.
I oppose school districts lying to parents or not informing them when minor CHILDREN are making life-altering decisions when they aren't even developed enough to vote, smoke or drink legally.
Why do you think children can make such decisions on their own about something like that but not about other things?
Should be at home. Women should be at home according to far right populists.
You aren't making any sense. You don't give a fuck what others say, but here you are arguing what I'm saying? Arguing what liberals are saying. Defending what the far right populists are saying?
Yeah... me too. I haven't spoken about this particular issue in this thread until now. Glad we can agree on something.
I'm sorry, I thought the sarcasm was so obvious it didn't need to be explained.
dn't say one goddamn thing about hiding transgenderism from parents.
That's exactly the fucking point. You bizarrely claim parents pointing out the corruption of the First Amendment at schools constitutes "telling me how to teach and raise my kids" while siting complacently by when provided an actual example of schools taking over the role of a parent and lying to them.
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Left wing hysterical lies.
kind of surprised you keep falling and promoting them.
No...It's the fucking liberals that are trying to groom and indoctrinate kids with lies and untruths about race and gender, all the while keeping parents out of the loop.
Lol. What a half assed deflect. The idea that progressives don't denounce Sunday schools as indoctrination is laughably absurd.
As to your deflection, I have no idea what laws you are referring to. Are you talking about needing laws to protect Christian schools from crazed transvestites who murder kids?
t parents can't home school or send their children to religious schools voluntarily
So your point is that Sunday Schools and Public Schools are both for indoctrinating kids. Okay. I don't think you are making the point you think you are.....
I happen to believe public schools shouldn't indoctrinate kids.
A Republican presidential candidate says trans playing women high school sports is the "women's issue of our times". Using available information I calculate that apprx 1 out of every 32,400 athletes taking part in girls sports is a "boy'.
This is the sort of hysteria the right wing is inflicting on our country.
It's a symptom of the larger problem where 25% of the country now believes anyone can become a woman merely by saying they are.
That is a massive problem.
OMG! Hahahahaha! You are being obtuse again. I thought we were trying to have a decent conversation?
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I didn't say they didn't. You are making more of my post than I said, but you do tend to tilt at self made strawmen.
Yes, you do, but since it doesn't' fit your above strawman tilt you'll go merrily around and around trying not to address the hypocrisy I pointed out.
See... There's that strawman building!
I happen to believe public schools aren't indoctrinating kids, but the conversation has reached absurd levels to trigger partisans on both sides.
what the ever living FUCK are you talking about?
Like I said you worry about yours and I will worry about mine. If you don't like the public school system pull them out and home school them
give one example...that's all I ask
I'm not trolling. You said you wanted a decent conversation. We can't do that if you don't acknowledge and address the actual points I make. Just saying they are lies doesn't make for a conversation. It's a deflection to not address the point. If you think it a lie then say why - otherwise just go away.
I dont think most people care about what another person calls themselves.
You are, and I am done with it.
t think most people care about what another person calls themselves.
So anyone who wants to be is black? Or a Cherokee Indian?
That's one way to get rid of affirmative action I guess.
Must be why so many people are all hung up over 'cultural appropriation"!
Aren't the expressions, "to tilt at wind mills" or 'attack strawman"?
Lol. You equated them. Read your own post.
You made an absurd argument. Pointing out the absurdity does not a strawman make.
Yeah, the same people who get upset about actors acting if they don't have the correct identity simultaneously believe identity is completely made up and changeable.
So kids are forced to go to Sunday Schools by law? Please point out which states have that law?
Last I checked most states have laws that require individuals attend school until a certain age.
Here is Michigan's law- I am sure other states have something similar.
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So the only way to get out of the Democrat Public school indoctrination centers in Michigan is to reach the age of 18; or get a signed paper from your parents to drop out at 16 or 17. Barring that you can attend a private school (assuming your parents can afford it); or home schooling (assuming your parents have the time; are willing; and are educated enough).
Definitely the same damn thing as parents taking their children to church to attend Sunday School.
ENTWINED? Really? What the fuck?
Please point out where that is being said in any of my posts or where it's relevant? My original point is pointing out the hypocrisy of partisan language. I'm done being deflected from that point.
No and saying so was to give you the opening to bring it back, but whatever. I tried...
... unlike conservatives trying to legislate religion back into public schools. /s
College students had quite a lot to do with stopping Nam.
Thankfully colleges and universities still inspire free speech.
So keep your brats home and home school them rather than trying to turn the public schools into far right wing churches.
No, they didn't. If anything they probably pro longed it. It caused a reaction against leaving among moderates and conservatives and emboldened the VC to avoid substantive negotiations, as the protests signaled a weak domestic front. Both LBJ and Nixon wanted out of Vietnam and realized it was hopeless, but the protests boxed them in and made it harder to negotiate the exit they so desperately wanted.
You should keep your brats at home and home school them rather than trying to turn public school into far left wing churches.
Exactly we will just pay their tuition and living expenses and stay out of their business.
Paid my own way through my degrees minus some scholarships for grades.
Don't fault kids whose parents paid, but resented those who didn't care.
Something called the GI Bill paid for mine.
Have you ever heard of dumbfuck college professors acting like thugs?
Do you keep up with the news at all?
Far right wing propaganda against educators doing their best sickens me.
Knew so many students who just didn't care about learning, just partying.
I was once expected to let a star football player cheat off of me during tests.
I helped tutor him but wouldn't let him cheat off of me. He barely passed.
Working as a tutor actually helps the tutor as much as the tutored.
This was all many years ago but remember my university days fondly.
Earned a masters with honors while a TA and tutor.
Fuck all fools who trash higher education because they weren't smart enough.
Exactly, fuck all less smart than you.
I am OBVIOUSLY referring to what has been in the news lately.
Did you miss the professor who chased a reporter with a machete and bullied some college students because she didn't like their peaceful message?
Do you really need to be reminded of other incidents?
Only the ones who wallow in their ignorance.
Didn't hear about that. Please provide a link because I can't find it.
Isn't Google YOUR friend any longer? Did you have a falling out??
I seem to remember someone posting this little gem:
Never had a problem with students not letting Nazis or any other far right wing fascists speak or march on campus. Ignorant hate mongers have no place on a college campus.
Yep. And anyone that has an opinion different than yours must be a nazi, right?
Far right wing hate speech hardly counts as a "differing opinion".
Yep. And anyone that has an opinion different than yours is talking far right wing hate speech, right?
So you don't even recognize far right wing hate speech?
I recognize all hate speech. I also recognize what is not hate speech.
Whether you admit it or not, hate speech is not confined to just one ideology.
Nazis, fascists--words of the month for the hysterical few.
They hate it when that's pointed out.
Everyone is a Russian bot. Unless you are left of Che’
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Is there an accepted definition of "normal" people? If so, what is it because I would find it beneficial to keep from judging people against the correct standard of what is and is not "normal".
This much I promise.
What most folks here will call “normal” .... is not normal.
Far from it ...
My thought process requires a clear definition of normal.
Even spending years of life socializing with other people doesn't mean you know them. Otherwise, people would not be surprised when a friend or family member commits an unacceptable act. The first thing said is usually - "I never knew they were like that".
So I am not going to judge people here as being anything other than a person doing the best they can to understand life or to be accepted as worthwhile.
It is a human need to be "validated" by others. It is really the responsibility of the parents to validate their offspring in healthy ways and then allow the offspring to learn to validate themselves. When that doesn't happen, the child can be set up for lifelong pain and confusion as to how to form positive social connections with others.
As an introvert, I rarely require much human interaction. As a scholar, I have a history of being rejected by others for asking just too damned many questions. In my quest to be validated by others, I have fell in with predators who used and confused me. I have finally learned to validate myself by understanding myself and working on myself instead of others. It is a process, but I am finally healed from childhood trauma that I did not know how to process in a healthy way and I was actually harming others when I had a negative attitude about myself.
Unfortunately to many the definition of normal people is someone that thinks just like them.
Yeah. Well, I am not on that list.
If I do meet someone who thinks similar to me, it is usually on the internet. The pleasure is derived from bouncing ideas off each other instead of trying to score points.
What I seek is learning and interaction that is beneficial to everyone involved.
All the upvotes in the world doesn't matter if I earned them because I trounced someone in a personal manner. This is doubly true off of the internet which is why I rarely interact with people face to face. My questions are as socially unacceptable as voicing my thought processes. I am not good at idle chatter, nor am I interested in it. I only do it when it is forced on me.
Sorry, far right wing fascism and hate speech is far from "normal".
Neither is imagining that there are loads of fascists wandering around America.
Don’t be sorry.
Be worried that your understanding of the real meaning of the term “fascist” is sophomoric at best.
At best .....
Just another case of the left changing the meaning of a word to try and promote their narrative. Until people put them in their place and tell them to cut the shit they will continue to use the formula they think is a winner. Luckily it seems more and more people are pushing back. Trying to tell people men could get pregnant was a great eye opener to many people showing how far off the rails the left has gone.
Yes. Even teenage girls are having to educate, some people in the world, what a woman is.
The last person the left wants to hear from about what a woman is would be the opinion of a woman that does not agree with them.
A women who doesn’t submissively toe the progressive line isn’t a “real woman,” per progressive men.
Sad, but true.
I remember women burning bras in defiance of social restrictions.
They say history repeats itself.
I hope we don't return to a time when it is acceptable for controlling men (and their supporters) to burn defiant women.
I guess I should be relieved that some men and some corporations only want to model and sell bras to women. However, there is already a small contingency in society that is backing male violence against women as being justified if the male identifies as female. This could be an example of cognitive dissonance or just plain old insanity. Whatever it is, women are being harmed by men with a segment of society promoting it as acceptable.
And that is the saddest thing of all. And again I have to ask where the feminist voice is on this. It seems the women that have the loudest voice against this insanity are individuals and not organizations that you would think would actually care about women.
I have not fully thought this through (a process that can take weeks and longer if I am serious about a topic) so this is a spur of the moment comment.
People are individuals with biases formed by nature and nurture. Science tells us it is our ability to cooperate that allows us to keep from annihilating our species. History of our species shows the ability to cooperate is either very limited or groups of individuals are easy swayed to commit atrocities on what is perceived as the "other".
When enough individual women speak out and a "leader" (or a few) are given a big enough platform, then the pushback will begin in earnest. The men, who will benefit in some way for backing the women, will throw in their support and the people, who profit from dissension, will have to find a new cause.
This comment could probably be worded better, but those are my coherent thoughts about this issue at this moment.
So 5.1.1 and 5.1.2 are posts from women?
Funny how a far right wing male congress speaks for all women.
I was actually in favor of that.
It was related to truth in advertising.
Framing free speech as "violence" is just another way to silence dissent.
Two examples of fighting for the right to free speech when means the right to offend.
The first video are males making the case in a no nonsense manner.
The second video is a woman making the case on how politely get by with using free speech. Completely different communication style from the males asserting their right to free speech in the first video. Who taught women that they don't have a right to free speech - the right to offend others? Society or an innate ability to be more empathetic or sympathetic to other people's emotions and thus an easier target to silence?
Brick and mortar colleges continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Not only have they priced themselves out of reach for many but their progressive craziness turns away even more paying customers.
We are witnessing the self destruction of the traditional college monopolistic business plan.
To which I say, good riddance.
yeah, what we need is more religious semenaries ...
Sure couldn't hurt anything!
I hope the word you meant was seminaries. Because semenaries gives me The Handmaid's Tale vibes.
I know you are being sarcastic. I agree with you.
Meh, the market will continue to take care of itself. Brick and mortar college enrollment is down nearly 10% nationwide since 2019.
That equals less left wing indoctrinated kooks. Since many of these “highly educated” nimrods are too dim to think for themselves. Too busy running around in black hoodies, throwing their piss on people, to learn how to think properly.
Fuckin pussies.
that comment only resonates with those unchallenged by correct spelling, as demonstrated...
My Alma Mater is doing just fine. A friend sits on the board and tells me that we offer more scholarships every year in the science/tech departments.
Not MIT yet but we do attract some of the best. (Hell, they recruited me back in the day.)
Ah the partisan politics of my free speech is holier than your free speech.
What do you think Hal?
To tell you the 'truth' Lux, the headline writer should be taken out back and flogged!
So glad that you're finally getting used to your bifocals.
Here's an audio tape of a Canadian teacher berating Muslim kids for not celebrating Pride after they all celebrated Ramadan, and telling them they don't belong in Canada
Woke and cultures that refuse to submit to neo-colonialism are not going to go mix well.
All of my highly educated friends are woke. It goes along with intelligence.
Only ignorant MAGA rednecks think woke is a dirty word.
What kind a word is rednecks?
Your sentence is grammatically incorrect. I rest my case.
Only ignorant, virtue signaling, liberal elite socialist toilet bowl lickers think Making America Great Again is a bad thing.
People in my area?
So you are a ten year old on the playground at recess?
What does "virtue signaling" even mean?
Wow! I guess language like that makes you an official Trumpster.
FOX doesn't furnish a glossary to them.
You have a case?
Only about a six pack left.
No, I am also not a hate filled lefty that says they believe in inclusion but that only extends to people in their hive.
Look it up
Nope, but keep up the good work trying to label everyone not part of the DNC collective a Trumpster.
Expressing support for something just to make ones' self look like a good person which usually deep down is the opposite point of view when challenged. You know, like "They are just looking for a better life, we should help" when in reality, it's "Not In My Back Yard" when push comes to shove.
keep up the good work trying to label everyone not part of the conservative Borg a hate-filled liberal lefty
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So true CJ - so true!
that's just what non-woke people say
that virtue signaling bullshit
when push comes to shove