New York Senate approves health care coverage for 'undocumented individuals'
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Via: vic-eldred • last year • 301 commentsBy: Christian Wade (Just The News)
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The New York Senate has approved a controversial plan to divert federal money to provide low-cost health care coverage for "undocumented individuals."
The Democratic-proposed legislation, which cleared the Senate Thursday on a 41 to 21 vote, would extend coverage under the state's Essential Plan to undocumented individuals with a household income below 250% of the federal poverty line.
"We are already spending over a billion dollars without giving any type of regular care to these folks," state Sen. Gustavo Rivera, D-Bronx, the bill's primary sponsor, said in remarks from the Senate floor ahead of its passage. "What we're suggesting here is that we have a way to get federal money so it does not cost the state anything."
Backers say the plan would cost $1 billion per year, and coverage would be capped at 240,000 individuals, depending on federal funding available.
Senate Republicans strongly objected to the plan, pointing out during Thursday's debate on the bill that even though the money would be coming from the federal government, it still comes out of New York taxpayers' pockets. They argued the state should focus on caring for people living in the U.S. legally.
"We should be taking care of those individuals," state Sen. Steven Rhoads, R-Nassau, said in remarks on the Senate floor. "If we have surplus funds. If there are additional funds coming from the federal government, those are the individuals that we should be taking care of first."
Passage of the measure, which the state Assembly must still approve, comes amid a contentious debate over immigration, with tens of thousands of migrants arriving in New York over the past year following a surge of crossings along the U.S-Mexico border.
Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, had previously pitched a plan to seek federal funds for extending coverage to migrants but later walked the plan back, citing uncertainties about the cost and whether the federal government would allow it.
But a recent letter from the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to the bill's supporters suggested that New York could use a provision of the Affordable Care Act to request federal dollars to fund the expansion.
The letter noted that two other states, Colorado and Washington, have used the section 1332 provision to offer coverage for undocumented individuals.
The bill's supporters said that New York has drastically reduced the number of uninsured individuals from 3 million to 1 million. But more than 400,000 immigrants don't qualify for coverage options or public coverage through the New York State of Health Marketplace because of their immigration status.
Supporters suggest the state and local governments would save roughly $400 million per year by reducing the number of uninsured people seeking emergency care.
"The lack of coverage for significant numbers of New Yorkers causes problems for the broader health care system because payers and providers charge more to the insured population to offset their losses related to providing care to the uninsured," a summary of the bill reads.
"Even with this cost shifting, the costs associated with uncompensated care threaten the financial sustainability of many safety net hospitals and clinics," it continues.
Under current state law, health care coverage is offered to undocumented children through age 19, pregnant women and individuals 64 and older.
The proposal must still pass the state Assembly before landing on Hochul's desk for consideration. Friday is the last day of the legislative session.
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This is why we fight the good fight!
To deny human beings health care?
Do you want to pay their bills?
I would be interested in a national health care plan. I am not against paying slightly more in taxes to finance such a thing. Can you imagine a system that asks if you are OK before they ask for your insurance card?
Do you want to ride next one on public transportation?
If they were working on your house would you let them use the bathroom?
If they are here on a green card or are in the asylum seeking process,
why wouldn't we want to ensure they are healthy?
It makes no sense to deny them healthcare because that puts US at RISK too.
Aren't you the compassionate one!
We are all just residents of the world....draining the resources of the first world.
... and destroy a well tuned shell game that benefits so many multi-billion dollar corporations. wtf?
No, I don't want to ride next to them on public transportation
Anybody working on my property is a US Citizen
If they were not here it would not be a problem or cost or risk to health, welfare and safety of taxpaying Citizens
The resources of the whole world that the first-world nations draw off.
At least you are being honest.
It won't be "slightly more". That's Bernie's version of "the Big Lie".
No, so we can take care of our own at home!
A green card is one thing. That means they did it the right way and are here legally and are entitled. Illegals are a whole different ball game and I'll damned if I want my tax dollars paying for free benefits to them!
Yes, I am sure that America in its exceptional wisdom will fuck it up just like the current system
We already do take care of them. It is against the law to not provide medical care to any person. We've so screwed up the health care system in this country that people with a piece of paper in their hand go to the hospital and get told that they have a ten thousand dollar deductible. Then they get charged the "real" price which is actually more than is charged to insurance companies and told that they might be able to get a discount rate if they sign away their life to a high interest rate loan. Just what you want to hear when you're having a heart attack.
Or, they go with their beloved insurance plan to a doctor whom their insurance plan has approved at a facility their insurance policy allows and at a time when they can be scheduled for because their insurance won't let them do otherwise. Then these same people start sputtering about wait lists..
How many school shootings are by illegals?
Do you actually have any control over where your tax dollars go? Nope.
If they weren't here, who would pick the crops, work in our restaurants, dry cleaners, construction jobs etc?
Florida already has crops rotting in the fields. For all their bluster Texas turns a blind eye when it comes to harvest season.
If illegals were not allowed here those things would be done by Americans or not done. That would improve things by getting some of the lazy Citizens off their butts and doing things.
Field work is hard and improvements in farm machinery to handle picking is possible. Making hay is much less labor intensive today. Research was being done on automated picking over 40 years ago
I don't mind using some short term out of country labor but do not want them staying here. This country is too overpopulated.
Then you have never driven around the country, say from Fort Worth to Las Vegas.
Rt10 from CA to LA.
There is plenty of space.
shit you can drive across some states and see nothing but corn for days,
Do you want to live there?
Isn't there a water shortage in some of that area?
We need the space where the corn is growing for corn and other space for wildlife to have a place
Overpopulation is the problem multiplier that caues climate change
The reactionaries can't see past their own noses. Does anyone want sick people infecting others on the streets, in the schools, in the workplace? Apparently so.
That is funny right there, you do realize that if the administration was doing it's job they wouldn't need healthcare because they would have never been here in the first place. so they wouldn't be on the streets, in schools and it is illegal from them to work in the first place.
The REAL "reactionaries" are those who want anyone who wants to come here allowed in no matter what, and then we should provide food, shelter, education, and medical care to them and SCREW the taxpaying American public, many of whom struggle daily to keep themselves afloat because they actually have to pay for those things for themselves.
You mean your local government isn't putting you up in a hotel, allowing you to drink and do drugs all day while paying your expenses.
Seems unfair!
Comment 1.1.19 is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Totally short-sighted and out of touch with reality. There are almost 12 million "illegal" immigrants in the U.S. now. As far as the reactionaries are concerned, no problem how many of them are sick and might be infecting the rest of the population. Just blame Biden. Sad.
You want to deny a basic human decency, what should be a right, a given, for every single HUMAN BEING is HEALTH CARE
Why would you deny them that?
Where SHOULD they be charger?
Wow, just wow
Overpopulated how?
Comment 1.1.20 is an example of how some people use the term "reactionaries" while seemingly totally ignorant of its meaning. It is especially interesting when the mis-use of the word might come from those who often pretend that they are correcting other peoples' proper use of words like "fascist".
It's sickening to me G3, absolutely deplorable.
All they have is agnorance and NOT MY PROBLEM and blame the Democrats.
Nothing but PD&D and delusion.
Please don't tell me you are going to start going with PDD&D.
Funny coming from someone who misuses the word all the time!
Carry on!
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Comment 1.1.30 totally proves my point as it pretends to correct, or criticize, someone else's proper use of a word the meaning of which the author of Comment 1.1.30 demonstrably has absolutely no knowledge. What a joke.
How many are you willing to pay for out of your pocket?
Tell you what....you go to pretty much any third world country and demand they pay for your health care.
See how far that gets you...
Which diseases are you willing to suffer from rather than making sure that people in this country aren't spreading to others such as yourself?
Yawn.
They do not belong here is the major thrust of the commentary. Therefore, they should go back to Mexico, apply for asylum, and do shit right. God knows they have had plenty of support on the journey what with new clothes, shoes, cell phones that NEED recharging, (how in the hell are they doing that) and food it seems.
NIMBY is the expectation.
“....you go to pretty much any third world country and demand they pay for your health care.
See how far that gets you...”
Proving that despite some rhetoric, we are not yet a banana republic. We still have some semblance of empathy and civility and understanding that you can pay some now or pay more later.
Work to do? Of course…as decades of kicking the can down the road has far-reaching consequences.
Why should we do for others' citizens that even their own country wont do for them?
It has been our heritage, a part of our ethos, and we should certainly strive to fix what is broken…but never at the expense of forgetting our proud and unique history. But just my opinion.
The major thrust of the commentary is public health.
How do propose to get 12 million people to "go back to Mexico"? Get real.
I don't recall prior immigrants receiving so much help.
Immigrants should be self-supporting.
Offering free health care for immigrants while Americans go without is whacked.
Offering free stuff is an incentive for illegal immigration.
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Number one,12 million is a low number. Number 2, they shouldn't be here in the first place. They come to Uncle Sugar to get what they can't where they came from.................FOR FREE! And this is no way to run a country. A country without borders isn't a country at all. Just another swath of land that is a free for all to squat in. And it is bullshit. I am a tax paying US citizen and if I wanted to pay for them, I'd move to where they came from. Except I wouldn't. Because I don't.
No American should go without health care. Only certain Republican politicians support depriving Americans of health care.
"Overpopulated, how?"
Here are 4 quick ways it is Overpopulated
1 More people than the ecosystem can support
2 More people than the infrastructure we have can handle
3 More people than the ones working can pay for and still have money for themselves
4 Less and less open space
Exactly, but there are plenty without it, so why spend it on immigrants first?
Always easy to blame the GOP even while Democrats run things. Cheap, easy, non-thinking argument.
Bullshit.
of course it is.
why were they denied that where they were?
" It has been our heritage, "
back when we needed more people and had space for them. Those days are long gone
And our border is BROKEN. That's why so many illegals are pouring over the border. It doesn't help that idiots like Mayorkas is lying to everybody.
So lets do just as you stated. Fix it. But every attempt to fix it has been overrun by the current administration. But remember Arizona placed shipping containers as a makeshift border wall , Biden administration told them to take them down . It's hard to fix something when the people responsible for fixing the problem only make it worse.
No, those days are not long gone.
I agree. How do you propose to send more than 12 million people "back to Mexico"?
All of the more than 12 million? None of them are seeking asylum from oppression? None of them came here to work and take care of their families? Not that that is an excuse for not migrating properly. Aren't you painting with an overly broad brush?
I understand the frustration that in so many instances our laws are not being followed. It's wrong. I don't like watching the news and seeing hundreds or thousands of people every day streaming over the border improperly, but some realism would be helpful.
Bingo!
Not bullshit at all. Where have you been the last few years?
Tough shit charger - like it or not - it's the HUMANE thing to do
I know how you feel about immigrants - feral cats - human beings who you have zero empathy and compassion for
all bullshit charger, WHATEVER
If we had infinite resources and space I would feel different,
coming from a shithole maybe?
what the fuck do you care?
I forgot, you don't give a shit about feral cats
we do - and to say otherwise is bullshit
ask the former 'president', the alleged billionaire, why he hasn't eliminated worldwide hunger or an actual billionaire like Musk, or Bezos
Excellent. We'll send you the invoices.
because throwing more money at a problem rarely solves the problem alone.
Dramatic cue ... "Give me your tired, your poor ..." which, for anyone who knows the sonnet's history, has never had factual, historical basis regarding ILLEGAL aliens.
Meh. We grow plenty of food and would have plenty of water if we used it intelligently.
The new people can build new infrastructure. If you look around Texas, they've already started.
The "new ones" work a million times harder than the ones born here who keep saying "somebody should pay my bills". They're not the ones demanding the rest of us pay off their student loans.
Have you been to West Texas? Wyoming? Miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles. We're not running out of space.
Your bullshit is totally unnecessary, But partisans act like that, you bleat trump endlessly while holding Biden responsible for nothing. Biden is the current administration so he is responsible for the problem now, the fact that there are 12 million here (completely underestimated) Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US | The Hill is a catastrophic failure of multiple administrations. Remember when Reagan granted amnesty and the democrats promised to secure the border? I do. Those fuckers never brought a bill forward. 40 years later and multiple failures by democrats and republicans followed, remove all incentives to come here and star deporting them immediately! period!
Who is paying for this work? It is not the illegals
Wonder why is is so open? Why did the wagon trains keep on going?
That's a big "if", because the US government has allowed the CCP to buy tens of thousands of our farmland, acreage, and waterways.
The majority of "new ones" barely have a grammar school education in their home countries, so all they're capable of doing is very menial work - most of which I might have trouble allowing a 5th or 6th grader to do. That doesn't contribute very much to the overall economic growth of our great country.
Give them a decade or so of free K-12+ education, and they'll learn how to scam the system. During the open borders Biden Administration, illegal aliens have already bitched about the free food and free $500/night hotel housing they receive in sanctuary cities like NYC, San Fran, Chicago, etc.
They might work hard but they undercut wages of Citizens who do work.
If they were not here then; those saying "somebody should pay my bills" might have to get off their lazy butts
We need open lands, forests, trees to keep natural cycles going and wildlife needs a place to live and thrive
ungrateful, aren't they?
While I respect your opinion, I have lived the exact opposite of what you say.
When my wife and I brought her mother here from the Philippines, I had to sign documents guaranteeing she would not become a ward of the state....and never did.
So, I ask you..
Why is it OK for illegals to be wards of the state, but those who came here legally cannot?
You might be able to make that case if unemployment were higher. But it's not. There are 2 open jobs for every applicant. We need the labor to sustain the economy.
Their parents have been enabling them for the last 35 years. That's not going to stop.
People like to say it's the immigrants who are lazy or violent, but statistically, the reverse is far more true.
I get that, but we have room for a LOT more people before that becomes an issue.
What a stupid comment.
Comment 1.1.64 is an example of someone, presumably a right winger or Republican, who is apparently willing to deprive some Americans of health care. Unless they can afford to pay let 'em die, right? The same reactionary mentality usually believes that Medicaid is a "communist" evil and should be ended immediately.
One at a time for as long as it takes! We have any immigration policy use it.
I admire how far you can stretch a very short simple comment into something totally different and even assign thoughts to unsaid things!
That's nothing compared to what we're doing on our own.
I've had a very different experience.
That said, if we made it easier to immigrate legally, we would attract more the skilled, tax-paying kind of immigrant.
I'm sure you'd like to think so. You're just mad because I've re-introduced reality into your little ideology-fest.
You pretend to make a lot of assumptions... which are really just petulant little attacks because I've made you face reality.
But reality is the realm in which we actually live. In reality, doctors don't work for free, and somebody has to pay those bills.
So if you're not going to pay them, who is? Do tell. How does that math work?
Sure you did!
Sure I did what?
BTW...I am curious when you will post something of substance.
Any seed, any thread...anywhere......
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Now don't self delete this.
Let everyone know what you are about...
You mean PDDD or whatever it is is not enough?
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CCP isn't who is the problem since they own 384,000 acres it's those damn Canadians who own 12.8 million acres of US land. /s
I know so, and now you're doubling down on it.
Still not ready to return from Never Never Land, I see.
In your fiesta of fantasy and feelings, you still can't answer a basic question... who's going to pay?
No one living in America should receive an invoice. It's the duty of health workers to care for people. The Hippocratic Oath doesn't mention invoicing.
If we start by saying that anyone present in the US should get health care....
It's the case in Europe, as many Americans have experienced.
doctors and nurses don't work for free and hospitals don't run themselves
Should health care depend on wealth?
nope !
and nothing i wrote should have triggered that question.
You don't know what you write?
yes I sure do!
did you not understand what I wrote?
Hmmmmmm
That's you, not me. Your comments are proof.
One way or another, we all are. In your fiesta of fantasy and feelings you're incapable of recognizing that. Kind of pathetic.
Especially since so many of them claim to be "refugees" who escaped dangerous situations in their own countries!
I suspect that asking them to work for free may hinder recruiting.
Then somebody will still have to pay for it.
And somebody still pays for it.
Your views are so far left and so detached from practical reality that you've called a Biden voter a "right winger".
We're not, though. That's the point. Only some of us are. And you want that group to pay more. And more. And more.
And that doesn't work. Eventually you run out of other people's money.
Yes, of course. I suggest sending the invoice to The Billionaires ' Club.
Lots of people do when they don't understand the difference between billions and trillions.
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Yep, the favored fallback of some when they are losing or have lost arguments.
They should not be here in the first place and they are taking our tax dollars that should be only used for Citizens. We must take care of Citizens before outsiders.
This cheats taxpayers
Where have the rational voters been?
I think many moved out of NY.
Apparently many New Yorkers don't really care about how their tax dollars are spent.
Very good point.
This old desert rat would never ever live in NYC or New York state to begin with anyway.
The rational, empathetic, compassionate voters are not 'here' that's for sure, on this 'article'
You know there are wonderful things about NY. It's sad that this all becomes about slamming everything NY. It's why I love living here.
It seems to me it actually comes down to people using the emergency rooms or a doctor.
Perrie, my apologies if I caused any offense, as it was unintentional. I was born and raised in the Sonoran Desert of Southern Arizona. At the risk of sounding cliche, the desert lands of my Hispanic and Native forebears are in my blood. I have been to much of the world and have never been happy or at ease except in the lands of my childhood. That is why I came back after I retired from a 20 year military career. You are content to live in New York because that is where you are from. It is the same with me and the desert. To paraphrase, you can take the man out of the desert, but you cannot take the desert out of the man. I hate big cities and would rather live in the small rural desert community I currently reside in. I hope that makes sense. Have a good night.
I totally understand you love where you came from, just as my roots are here, too. The only thing I would correct you on is that NY is one big city. Most of NY is occupied by dairy cows with rolling mountains and the seaside. Where I live I have tons of wildlife, beautiful forest, and farms.
But I appreciate your very kind response. Home is where the heart is.
Yep.
There still are. It was once the world's greatest city. I think both NYC as well as the southwest still retain their own special charm.
It's sad that this all becomes about slamming everything NY.
I try not to do that. The problems facing the city are self inflicted by New York voters. In this case you have democratic-proposed legislation, which would extend coverage under the state's Essential Plan to undocumented individuals with a household income below 250% of the federal poverty line. That means tax payer benefits for non-citizens. Evidently, this serious issue crosses party lines, because one of our own democrats have voted this article up.
What is your opinion of this proposed legislation?
Is there another city in the world that is greater? Now I am not saying that there are no problems in the city, but no other city is the world's financial capital, has our museums, and the sites. And in case you haven't heard, there are very few vacancies in apartments and homes for sale. That is huge considering we are a city of 8 million.
I have to disagree. The problem is coming from busing people to NY in a proportionate number from Texas, than to any other state, other than California. What are we supposed to do with all of these people? Let them die instead of giving them medical care? I'm not happy about this, but then again, I lay the blame at Texas's door for this. Be glad they haven't done this in your state (other than Martha's Vineyard) since it is also a sanctuary state.
Voting an article up doesn't mean you agree (although that is how it usually works). Please read Thomas' commentary in thread 1 to see his POV. He is not in agreement.
Interesting.
So Biden’s border policy is blameless?
Of course border policy is to blame. This is a federal issue.
What it isn't, is one state thinking they have a sovereign policy for another state. Otherwise, I know a few states that might like to dump their problems on other states.
Hardly a precedent that should be allowed to continue.
Good to know but that’s not what you said. You laid it all at Texas’s feet which is unfair at best. Had Biden border policy not purposely been leakier than a sieve, Texas would not be in this position. At least not as bad.
Self proclaimed sanctuary cities that complain about getting immigrants bused in, are crying crocodile tears.
That is the basis of NYC problems? I have to disagree. You still haven't recovered from Bill de Blasio. You also have two DAs that are right out of the Soros school of breaking down society in order to rebuild it. The flight reflects the serious problems brought on by electing radical left-wing candidates:
"According to U.S. Census data released Monday, people are leaving New York at a faster rate than nearly any other state in the nation.
For the fourth straight year, the state's population decreased as the number of residents choosing to go elsewhere outpaced the number of births, new residents moving in, and people immigrating to the Empire State."
What are we supposed to do with all of these people?
That is what the states of Texas and Arizona keep asking. NYC and Chicago only got a tiny fragment of what the border states get every day. Look how frazzled the mayors of those two cities got. I have an idea. In the next election why not vote against the man who opened the border?
Voting an article up doesn't mean you agree (although that is how it usually works). Please read Thomas' commentary in thread 1 to see his POV. He is not in agreement.
I couldn't agree more. I think you are 100% right. As a matter of fact, I know why Thomas voted it up and it clearly wasn't because he agreed with it. It was so you and I would eventually have this conversation. The lefties play games with the front page.
It's a good thing there are so few Americans who follow Christ's teachings.
why do people use that as an argument? it is incredibly weak and rather pointless.
Why do people argue with you? Same reasons.
I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.
That’s what happens when anarchists try to judge people of faith. It makes no sense.
Another example of the American taxpayer getting royally screwed over.
If NY wants to pay for illegal aliens, let them charge NY residents for it.
Same for any state.
And WHY are we paying for illegal aliens at ALL?
Shouldn't the minimum requirement be self-supporting for aliens?
Free healthcare for illegals in NY? Maybe they all should go there. DeSantis and Abbott should help them all achieve this benefit. Perfect test bed for the lefts socialist dream.
Have the started forcing the rich to open their homes to our guests? if not why not?
Well, they will be limiting how many they will allow to enroll.
Something about not having enough money...............but then again, isn't that usually the problem with liberals--not having enough of others' money?
Expect incessant whining for federal dollars.
Well, of course I do already!
Can't be trying to sell NYers on this plan if you are expecting them to actually PAY for stuff some dumbass politicians want to pay for with others' money!
"What we're suggesting here is that we have a way to get federal money so it does not cost the state anything."
Yep, skip your responsibilities and pass the problem onto another entity
Hey, it's cool.
A few Republican Governors are helping to ensure that NY pays its fair share!
That's the liberal way. They declare themselves sanctuary cities then when those illegals show up they push them off on somebody else. All the while they have their hands out begging for money.
Isn't it sad how many liberals states seemingly care more about illegal aliens than their own taxpaying citizens?
I thought right wingers were christians...
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I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me. - Matthew 25:35
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another. - Zechariah 7:9-10
I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me. - Matthew 25:35
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself. - Luke 10:27
Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers. - Romans 12:13
Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10
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This is less than half the bible quotes that are applicable.
Apparently reading the Bible is not a prerequisite for being a Christian.
Isn't the left usually squawking about a strict line between church and state, but NOW you want them to follow Christian principles?
You don't get to have it both ways, and your argument is pitiful.
What did Jesus say about reading the Bible?
Yep, it’s the party of pick and chose.
The hypocrisy involved is epic ….
Or, strangely enough, obeying it.
NOW you want them to follow Christian principles?
You do come up with the most ridiculous comments in this forum. That is a fucking retarded statement.
What did Jesus say about reading the Bible?
How the fuck would I know? I’ve never even met your gardener.
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And yet, for all your bluster, I wasn't the one who wrote this dumbfuck gem:
Or this equally as dumbfuck comment:
Nor am I a hypocrite who rails about the separation of church and state and THEN expect lawmakers to do just what I previously bitched about.
Obviously, you don't have to fucking know to comment here.
Do you know Heyzeus?
No, what is that?
He’s this one guy. You see, … oh, never mind. You wouldn’t believe me if I told you.
Ok.
There's lots of phonier than thou small c christians here Hal
I agree. And they spend a good portion of the day virtue signaling without any idea what it is they are talking about.
Many are.
So?
Do you want religion in politics or not?
Don't try to have it both ways!
The intellectual dishonesty and outright hypocrisy isn’t even surprising anymore.
True, now I expect it.
When they show you who exactly they are, believe it!
No, it's not - it never was - all you have is PD&D with a heavy dose of delusion
We believe it!
Y'all show your true colors here every day!
Yeah, you thought wrong.
So you are stating, for the record, that no right wingers (who are so against immigrants) are christians. Since that is what your 4 word reply says.
How long is the NT record archived?
I'm stating, for the record, you made a stupid assumption.
What is that assumption?
See 7 above.
That part about being against immigrants is a bald-faced lie.
Many of us encourage and welcome LEGAL immigration, and don't give a fuck for those who champion ILLEGAL aliens.
I have some hope the left will one day recognize the facts instead of lying about right wingers.
What is that assumption? Go ahead and say it, don't be afraid.
I said it - You made a stupid assumption.
What is so hard for you to understand about that?
I think the problem is that those on the left can't discern between legal and illegal immigration.
Many of the comments I have read on this site convince me you are 100% correct.
Yet you refuse to state what that assumption is. Fear is not a good state to live in Jeremy.
Yet the right has shown time and again the inability to tell the difference between legal asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. You like praising DeSantis and Abbott for shipping their "illegals" to other city/states, yet completely ignore that the ones being shipped are asylum seekers that are legally in this country.
It's cute you think I'm afraid, of all things YOU. I told you where your stupid ass assumption was. Your inability read and understand you own comment is not my problem.
That's easy. They cross the border at any point that is NOT an authorized point of entry - they are illegal immigrants.
Thank you for proving my point.
I might suggest you read the applicable asylum law. They are allowed to enter illegally as long as they approach a representative and declare that they are seeking asylum.
(1)In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
And as expected you half assed it. Now look up what I described.
But to play your petty game for a moment. Asylum should be applied for BEFORE ILLEGALLY crossing the border. That was part of it. But don't let facts get in your way. Funny how your "definition" left that little bit out.
Try harder.
And as expected you are now trying to spin your statement after being proven that you are completely ignorant of asylum laws. Well spin away.
It probably "should" be, but it doesn't "need" to be. They're not any less legal if they don't.
Hilarious coming from you.
I provided a link to the actual law, and you are claiming it is just MY definition. That's about as dishonest an argument as you can have.
Indeed:
I think your facts will go unremarked on.
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Did you read it for yourself?
DHS has announced the Circumvention of Lawful Pathways final rule. Individuals are encouraged to use lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to come to the United States. Effective May 11, 2023, the U.S. government will generally presume individuals who unlawfully enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption. Unaccompanied children will be exempted from this presumption. For more information, see the
And the point remains that all this bussing and shipping of so called "illegal immigrants" to other cities are actually sending LEGAL ASYLUM SEEKERS.
Bullshit! They are assumed illegal by the Biden admin. You are wrong again. That are feral animals, if they were true asylum seekers they would do it correctly even the Biden administration realized this. They are ILLEGAL!
What makes you think they didn't????
in YOUR opinion, but not under the law.
Read it again, If they didn't present themselves at a entry point they are illegal Period. You have no proof they did and 75% of the bullshit asylum claims are rejected making them illegals.
Living as I do 6 blocks from the AZ/Mexico border with one of the largest CBP stations in the country about 5 miles away, every single CBP field agent I have ever asked about asylum seekers have told me exactly what you said. They are, according to US Immigration Law, supposed to apply at the nearest US Consulate office in Mexico before crossing. If they don't, they are just another illegal immigrant. Unfortunately Joe Biden and his minions have perverted that law to their benefit.
It's amazing how many people are so ignorant on the process.
Might I suggest an edit?
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no, YOU do
See?
Not surprised.
How many have you taken into your home?
Twice as many as you have.
Of course, he isn't advocating for more immigrants to come here and get taken care of.
How’s that working out for you? Do they cut your grass and do odd jobs around the house?
Two times zero is still zero. That didn't help your case...............
Once again for the willfully slow who are pushing a bullshit agenda. Just because they are registered doesn't mean they are asylum seeker, they could be waiting for their deportation hearings!!! but keep posting bullshit.
And until they have those hearings, they are legally in this country.
Why do right wingers refuse to understand asylum and immigration laws? Or at least where brown skinned people are concerned? Why are you throwing fits about Europeans that over stay their visa's?
why should we pay for people who will end up deported?
Because they have/had visas to begin with maybe? They should go too. GovCo needs to crack some of those heads too. Can't believe they issue visas and then lose track.
Wrong, without a visa they are not here legally, another fail.
It's not like the illegals are in witness protection, throw those fuckers out and put them on the no fly list.
So why don't you put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is and take a few in...all expenses paid?
Actually they are people. All humans are.
Another example of a right winger not knowing the law, and boasting about it for all to see.
I've posted it many times, If they don't present at a point of entry they are presumed illegal under the law according to Biden. PERIOD!!!! you make the most ignorant comments and then refuse to acknowledge the truth when presented to you. They are illegal and will be removed.
People by definition are animals, that is 3rd grade biology.
Then link the law. Or is this another example of a left winger making shit up as they go?
There is a difference, commonly held, that people are differentiated from animals. Your comment implies ignorance of that fact. Yes, people are animals. The statement that I was referring to was intended to dehumanize. Playing obtuse is ...well, obtuse.
Keep electing progressive loons, keep getting lunacy.
Pay attention, folks. New York is not, not, not providing health coverage for illegal immigrants. The Federal government is providing that coverage. That means the rest of the country is paying for New York's liberal policies; New Yorkers are not on the hook.
Instead of allowing New York politicians to divert Federal money to their buddies in finance, the Federal government should be clawing back these funds and spending those funds on the southern border.
New York is cheating the country again. And they're proud of it.
I’m surprised they beat Calikakistan to the punch.
Or........
California set to become first state to provide free health care to all low-income immigrants - CBS News
citation? I won't hold my breath
Why ask for something you admittedly NEVER read?
Good for you............
that's a stupid thing to say, what does it have to do with what I said?
Feeble attempts at self-importance.
Right after you give a single citation for anything you have ever posted, any bullshit claim you have made.
Didn't you read the seeded article? Headlines often miss the details. That's why reading the article is important.
It is cheaper to provide basic low cost healthcare to a healthy citizenry like New York than to ultimately bear the cost of chronic health problems like Texas.
Everyone is covered in New York. Begrudge Much?
False.
Do some research or maybe even read the article!
Gonna need a source for that pile.
Surely you jest!
Come on, man!
Will a simpleminded meme do? that is the most you can expect.
I think not...........................................
So, how much tax money do you want to spend on them?
I think [deleted(NY] residents) should pony up some more in tax dollars so that they may support aliens in the way they would like to be accustomed to.
Seems fair to me, don't expect other states to bail NY's ass out because they want to spend millions or billions on aliens
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Well, this is fantastic news. Well done, NY.
On behalf of Texans everywhere, I want to thank the State of NY for this amazing decision.
Now ya'll will have to excuse us while we go round up some more buses..... We're gonna need lots more buses.
Good one.
Somebody tell me again how illegals aren't a burden on the taxpayers.
I love hearing that. Those saying that live nowhere on or near the Southern borders where those illegal invaders cross. They do not see the damaged fences and property, the slaughtered livestock and family pets, the damage to crops. That also includes the mountains of trash and clothing left behind on private property. They do not hardly see them because the liberal MSM does not want it seen. Taxes do not cover any of that at all. It is up the ranchers, farmers, and other residents on the border to foot the bill on that out of their own pockets. Any that deny or dispute that are living in a liberal delusional fantasy world.
I have not seen anybody say they want their taxes raised to pay the costs of all these illegal immigrants
They just want everyone else to pay their "fair" share.
I did,up in thread 1.
Good to see someone willing to pay for this ( I am not )
You want to include them in a plan for citizens and are willing to pay more tax for that, is that right ?
I might be interested in a good National healthcare plan but would hope the cost would be offset by what I would not pay to for profit insurance companies. But I don't think outsiders should be included.
If you are a human being you should have health care.
There shouldn't be some gatekeeper checking for proper paperwork at the clinic door.
In my opinion, the problem that we have in the country today is caused mostly by inertia. We have set up a system that delivers different amounts of healthcare to different people, largely dependent on where they exist in the monetary milieu. To run this system, we have set up multiple, overlapping and anastomosing layers of public and private businesses, all felted together in a vast, complicated, and synergistically meta-stable cloth. Now we have gotten to the point where pulling at that fabric in any one area disturbs a whole nest of people from the private and the public sector. So every time someone mentions "National Healthcare" there is a frenzy of lobbying activity with fingers pointing and palms extended in all directions coming from people with a vested interest in keeping the system byzantine and opaque. And of course, there are a lot of jobs that are attached to the healthcare industry that would necessarily be lost/changed by having a national healthcare system.
If you look at the countries that have a national healthcare system, you see as-good-as or better results compared to the system we have right now. The problem we have is how do we get to where we want to be while bruising the least amount of pedal-digitation?
You should also be as close to self supporting as possible
Sure. So we should encourage immigrants to support themselves.
yes but some states are doing the opposite.
Sure, the very, very few we let in. Any we let in should greatly raise the average not pull things down
I would be willing to pay a little bit more to secure the borders and remove all illegals from the USA but I would rather see the money come from cuts.
Seize the business of illegals, sell their goods at auction like we do the profits from drug dealers. Fine any business that hires them.
I support that
Fine any business that hires them.
Yes, fine every contractor who uses crews of undocumented workers, which is virtually every contractor. Makes perfect sense.
Won't take long until they quit hiring them.
Americans will do our own work or it won't get done
I took as a matter of pride, that I was one a few home owners still cutting their own grass, then health issues and my wife's insistence converted us to use a lawn service.
FFS when i was growing up the contractors hired legal americans, a lot were good paying jobs, many of them union, but unamerican pieces of shit would rather they hire illegals so they can have cheap shit. We now know which side you are on.
Americans will do our own work or it won't get done
That’s progress! Way to speed up our race to the bottom.
It's hard so we don't want to do it has become the democrat progressive way. They would rather have cheap labor than their neighbors able to work. i guess they assume they can go on welfare like themselves.
unamerican pieces of shit would rather they hire illegals so they can have cheap shit. We now know which side you are on.
Yes, it’s all my fault. I needed some renovations done, next thing you know the country was filled with Latinos. We all know who the real piece of shit is in this exchange. (psssst … it’s the racist)
Tell Jesus to keep up the good work. Btw, I have always done my own landscaping and still do.
I think it would turn things around and get some of our own lazy Citizens off their butts and doing something
Just because you aren't willing to work doesn't mean others are lazy, Maybe you will actually achieve a living wage if they have to hire legal workers.
In your scenario the demand for talent would far exceed the supply, and the labor costs would go through the roof. The funny thing is that most contractors who are making huge profits from undocumented labor are likely to lean Republican … like Donald Trump himself.
Another blatantly racist comment,
Agree,
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That would require cutting government handouts. You know that's not going to happen.
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When overpopulation is corrected, partly by illegals leaving, supply and demand will adjust. Removing illegals will make trades work better for our Citizens
Why don’t you go run for office on that plank so you can experience how incredibly unpopular it is first hand.
It will also necessarily raise costs, but then wages will also increase for the trades.
Huh?
I would say let's cut the salaries of our elected officials in DC to start with, but we all know that's a fantasy that will never happen.