The Trump Classified Documents Indictment
As a result of TRUMP's retention of documents after his presidency, and refusal to return them, hundreds of classified documents were not recovered by the United States government until 2022, ...
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
This is the actual indictment.
Refusal … Willful … Conspiracy … Obstruct … Withhold … Corruptly … Conceal … Scheme … False
The counts:
Counts 1-31: Willful retention of National Defense Information
Count 32: Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice
Count 33: Withholding a Document or Record
Count 34: Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record
Count 35: Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation
Count 36: Scheme to Conceal
Counts 37-38: False Statements and Representations
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Trump brought this on himself.
Had he cooperated with NARA, the documents would have been long secured in a safe facility and this indictment would have not been issued.
Trump's ego wrote checks his legal team had to quit over.
True.
Agreed.
I think this goes back to intent and what everyone keeps trying to make about Clinton's email server. The FBI said they couldn't find intent with Clinton where they lay out a case of what they think is clear intent with Trump.
after reading the indictment, which is damn powerful shit, Trumps intent looks pretty fckn obvious. Tumpy did some over and above very personal guidance to keep these documents, far from safe and some very FCKN IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS, from being returned to the safe haven Trump SHOULD HAVE NEVER REMOVED THEM FROM !!!
Hillary's intent was clear...she wanted a private server or network....allegedly for personal stuff
But why did she then willfully use it to send and receive classified emails....what was her intent in that case?
Deception? Hiding something?
Are you seriously trying to equate Trump's behavior with Hillary's?
Did you read the indictment of this seed?
Do you think Trump willfully committed serious, gratuitous acts that compromised national security and engaged in deception of government agencies?
Hilary was told to setup a private server by Powel when she took the job. Rice also had her own private server.
It's my understanding she received most of the information from outside sources that LATER got classified. It's pretty much the job, right? It's already been established she was sloppy (seems like a lot of that going around for years in DC). Intending to commit a crime? A much higher legal bar, but go ahead and make your case, based on real evidence and not inuendo and suspicion.
Absolutely, 100% untrue.
d. It's pretty much the job, right? I
Which is why setting up a private server knowing she would handle classified information is an intentional act.
Intending to commit a crime?
The statute only requires gross negligence, which Hillary undeniably was.
It's really amazing to realize how much damage Obama did by refusing to appoint a special prosecutor for Clinton, even after the election when she was no longer useful to Democrats. Instead, by letting his DOJ protect her without a serious investigation he opened the door to Trump's argument that their are two tiers of federal justice.
What PolitiFact states is she never sent or received classified documents, it was chatter between people in emails where they had talked about classified info.
That they even try to compare that to trump stealing documents is just bizarre.
Hillary aside, do you consider this indictment to be credible — based on a foundation of facts and law?
I didn't see her mentioned in the article?
There was no law against that.
Intent is baked into the language of the LAW. I quoted and linked to it at the time.
The state department's server was hacked. Hillary's server wasn't.
which, of course, has zip to do with it.
When the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said on Tuesday that his investigators had no “direct evidence” that Hillary Clinton’s email account had been “successfully hacked,” both private experts and federal investigators immediately understood his meaning: It very likely had been breached, but the intruders were far too skilled to leave evidence of their work.
BTW, the State Department's server was hacked. There is no evidence that Hillary's server was hacked.
everyone that has done what trump is accused of doing, served time or is serving time...
oh...wow...I'm not even a lawyer but I know some of those charges are super serious
reality winner was the first person prosecuted by the trump administration for espionage. working as a DoD contractor, she made a copy of a low level classified document about russians interfering in the 2016 election and mailed it to a media outlet. for that 1 page document she did 5 years in federal prison. apply that to trump.
"Look what I found..."
I think this supports the theory that Trump took the documents intending to sift through them later and find something that could be monetized. He just packed up dozens of boxes of documents like you might drop a fish net into the ocean hoping to scoop as much as possible. He didnt know what he had at first, but was hoping there was something in those dozens of boxes that would make him money.
He didnt want to give them back because he hadnt finished going through them all yet.
wins what case?
Mileys , i believe. Some General that was watching over Trump so he didn't start WWIII before exiting the White House
i think that when I heard the other day that Trump told an interviewer that Nixon had got 18 million from the government for his papers (I dont know if that is actually true or not but Trump believes it) a light bulb went on in my head. I think it is about money, and I think he thought he could sell these documents back to the government. That is also why he calls them "my documents".
oh c'mon now, Trump is all about country first, and never would place ANYTHING of monetary worth, above said country. Sheesh, who could ever picture ole compatriot Trump placing something above or in front of US...
It seems like like the prosecution’s theory is that he just took these papers as some kind of trophies. I’d almost have more respect for it if he planned to use them as leverage in business. The way he’s just showing them off to look cool is actually pathetic.
trmp wouldn't be couldn't be cool if he were wearing an ice vest
but then he would have, an ice chest, to keep his diet cokes warm
Agreed, and it was all illegal and he should be punished in accordance with the law yes?
Remember, two grand juries are still considering many additional criminal felony charges against Trump, in Georgia for election interference and in Washington DC for January 6th. Today is a start!
And those are the charges that I am most interested in since they hold him accountable for his precedent-setting wrongdoing as PotUS.
A guilty verdict on just a fraction of the charges is still enough to send Trump to jail for a long time. I have never had a problem with that. If he is indeed found guilty then send him to prison. I just want him to have the same consideration anybody else should expect to get in a court of law.
Seems to me, the government has bent over backwards to cater to Trump during the long document recovery process. He has been afforded considerations that no ordinary citizen would get.
Given the venue has been moved to Florida and Jack Smith has not placed any demands on the judge, I see absolutely no indication that Trump will be treated unfairly ... indeed, the opposite is more likely due to him being a former PotUS.
Begs the question: Donald Trump is motor-caded around with aerial coverage. . .at somebody's expense. I hope it is his. (I don't know.) If not that is an awful lot of expenditure, manpower, and coverage for one ridiculous man.
(All this is reminiscent of 2016's coverage of the man.) Is this nation being 'forced' to do this again on the people's or partially on the people's dime? Simply because he wants to fight the system?
One of the more damning excerpts showing willful intent and knowledge of classification:
He knew exactly what he was doing. Thinking he can get away with doing whatever he wants.
Is this ever going to make it to trial?
why do you ask Vic ? Still find nothing wrong with trumps' behavior ?
I think it will.
There is a major problem with the judge. I believe that she will do everything in her power to dismiss the case.
let her risk her lifetime appointment, she's already on thin ice in that district...
What would that do to her career, in your opinion?
I'm not so sure about that. She can only be removed by impeachment. She would have to be impeached by the House of Representatives, and then convicted in a trial by the Senate with 2/3 of the votes being required for a conviction.
I don't know that it would have any effect on her career at all. She would be considered by at least half of the population to be a disgrace, but what are the chances of her being impeached? Next to none.
Do you have any thoughts as to what it might do to her career?
I suspect most of the people who would have an impact on her career are generally rational. Given the nature of the indictment and the evidence thus far that shows Trump did indeed act as described, I find it hard to imagine anyone with credibility approving of a dismissal. And this is based on my view that there are no credible grounds for dismissal.
I do not think that dismissal would lead to her impeachment, but her reputation would take a very serious hit and I suspect she would not want to bring that down on herself. Is loyalty to Trump worth permanent damage to one's career?
I wish I were as optimistic as you are about her. She already endured one pretty hard hand slap for blatantly favoring Trump. I'm not sure she's worried about her reputation, and her job is secure.
As I stated, I believe that it would certainly cause reputational damage, but it would not affect her federal judgeship in her current position, although she may not receive elevation to a higher court if that was something she might ever want.
Also, could her dismissal be appealed? Given the circumstances of this case, it would seem a dismissal would be on shaky grounds at best and ripe for appeal.
There is one method she could employ that would not be subject to review. It is known as a Rule 29 acquittal, which allows her to dismiss the case after the prosecution rests or after the defense puts on its case, but before the jury votes to convict.
If you're not sufficiently worried based on that, you should be.
The key then is her willingness to destroy her credibility for Trump.
I doubt that she cares much about that. It would make her a hero with the MAGA crowd, and she will spend the rest of her life yachting around the world with Harlan Crow and the Thomases.
The key would seem to be to indict Trump for the insurrection, indict him in D.C., and win a conviction!
This is what I have been waiting for anyway. Holding Trump accountable for his behavior while in office is what has set the bad precedent. I would be entirely okay with holding him accountable only for those offenses.
I want to see Trump held accountable for everything he has done, in New York, in Florida, in D.C., in Georgia and anywhere else. Trump has gotten away with far too much for far too long, and it's way past time for him to receive his just desserts. Trump boasted that he is his followers' retribution, but the true and just retribution, as it surely will be, deserves to be visited upon him.
I agree, but my priority is on what he did while PotUS because that set a bad precedent that affects the nation.
The insurrection investigation and the election interference investigation in Georgia both involve events that occurred during Trump's presidency, and both set bad precedents. The insurrection and the Georgia election interference, which was one branch of a multi-state scheme, were part of the same effort -- Trump's plot to overthrow American democracy and install an authoritarian, fascist regime.
Correct. Except that I think Trump's sole motivation was to save face rather than a grand plot to install an authoritarian, fascist regime. He is ultimately a very simple man.
And, Trump has more from where that comes from! Remember, he has repented of not one damn thing he has done to this country, its government, its people. He promises for troubles for an already troubled nation. That is, more of the same.
That is where we disagree. I do not believe that his sole motivation was "to save face". Based on the evidence - his conduct, his statements, his associations - I ascribe far more sinister motives to him than merely attempting to save face.
That is to be expected.
Trump is no strategist; in contrast, he is impulsive and reactionary at a childlike level. I am sure he would love to be king of the planet, but his actions are based on short-term objectives. Again, like a child.
He could not even devise a strategy to keep his TS/SCI classified souvenirs without stepping in it.
That may be, but that doesn't mean he and his cohorts haven't been, and won't, make the effort. He was able to sufficiently strategize to win the presidency.
I agree. he's completely transactional, those documents are currency to him and would be made available to anyone for a price.
That's what I think. I find it very hard to believe that he kept such important documents just so he could feel good about having them as "trophies" or whatever.
And like the numbskull he is (and I don't say this lightly), this former president who has the highest security classification in the world (anywhere) by position and status is literally trying to convince "Joe Blow": 1. It is A-OKAY if I declassify highly sensitive and life-threatening content of national security interests because the U.S.A. loaned them to me—once and I can keep them.
Even a rank beginner security cleared officeworker has it drilled into his or her head that "loose lips sinks ships, subs, hardware, technology, . . . . And yet, this DUMB-ASS models for the security class that he can own government secrets because they were once extended to him temporarily.
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Marge: “This is a communist country. We’ve been taken over. We’re not a free country anymore.”
Im just thinking of all the great leaders and patriots who gave their lives and energy to helping America be great rolling over in their graves right now.
This fool is one of the most powerful people in the Republican Party.
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Thought one with your background, just might take this shit seriously...?
That is one of the most ignorant comments of all time. That is like saying the little terrorist girl who married her brother is one of the most powerful people in the Democrat party, Loud and stupid doe not equal power, you of all people should know that John.
Except that, the Democrats are out of power and Ilhan Omar is the only Muslim in our predominately Christian Congress which makes her pretty marginal, while Marjorie Taylor-Greene is a leader of the conservative Freedom Caucus that holds Speaker Kevin McCarthy by his balls...
So, no. The comparison is not at all valid!
Omar is a back bencher. Greene is a spokesperson for MAGA.
Only in the opinion of the ignorant, intelligent people dismiss her.
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Yep. Seems they forgot about Omar's Palestinian good bud Tlaib.
It is debatable whether Talib is Muslim but even if two out of four hundred fifty five members of Congress were Muslim you have hardly undone my point!
What about Andre' Carson? you going to question his religion also? You lied and got caught. Now we are at 3.
The muslim population is approx. 1%, so they are fairly represented.
Why do you post what is demonstrably and easily proven to be FALSE?
Don't you know how much credibility you lose when you start off with a whopper like that?
Wasn't this your post:
You guys are waaaay off topic.
Apologies.
True, but they make more sense that way.
Maybe not anymore.
As she tries to get along a little more in the House, the MAGA crowd keeps finding ways to show their displeasure . Looks like the Man got the message, too.
She's beyond stupid She doesn't even know the definition of communism
I bet she did when she was in college... >wink<
did she go to college?
univ of ga '96
really?!?!
they grade on the curve for resident students...
And yet here she is, free to spout off all her bullshit.
Imagine that...
I bet anyone $10,000 that she hasn’t read 2% of the indictment yet.
The 2% she looked at is the pictures.
Maybe she read the non fat skim milk version.
she's waiting on espionage for dummies to be published.
She is a fool. She is basically saying that powerful people on her side anyway should be able to do whatever the hell they want. Which, btw, is why she calls herself a "powerful person."
This country is being made to look like a foolish place and other countries will soon wonder what the hell they are looking UP to the U.S. for anyway! Our politics is CLOWNISH and the envy of nobody (or should not be).
I would have one request from the Federal Judiciary, recuse this Judge and find a Bush appointee.
I think we have to assume the prosecution will ask the circuit to take her off the case. They probably could have filed elsewhere, but Trump likely could have just had the case removed to her district. Or at least, he would have tried. The way they’re doing it probably saves time.
They filed in the district the crimes are alleged to have happened. Judges are assigned randomly. I assume there will be a motion filed to ask her to recuse herself.
Right, and I do think they made the best choice, for a few reasons. As you say, most of the crimes happened there. The evidence and witnesses are there. And I think Trump would have sought that venue himself, so starting there speeds things up.
But they also probably could have filed in D.C., where the documents were taken from. There’s also a possibility they could have filed in New Jersey, where the damning recordings were made.
But beating Trump in his home court would be especially satisfying.
Trump said if he were to receive "damages", he might, he might rabbit, be gracious enuff to consider dropping out, or was it Acid, i can't seem to recall as i stumble over my own thoughts and wards up, asz Trumps very serious downward spiral does a Kaleidoscope spin like the wheel pin, stuck on a frozen needle, about to found and lost in thousands of even tiny erh hay stax, without a fever , just a Saturday night with a Sleaze, stacked, like documents next to Xerox copier , cause, cause could it get n e sloppy erh than how Trump left it found...cause from Trump and his defenders, neither are sound, just often found, lost, at the lost and found, as herd mentality is all that abound in camp Le Buffooon , Trumpy be loving this month , like a misses Cleaver
Jeez and a Holy Cracker---------------"That is the most logical and profound statement on this subject I have read thus far." Kudos. You did good. Damn good.
Counts 1-31 cite violation of Title 18 U.S. Code 793 paragraph e:
Count 32 cites violation of Title 18 U.S. Code 1512 paragraph k:
Count 33 cites violation of Title 18 U.S. Code 1512 paragraph b.2.A:
Count 34 cites violation of Title 18 U.S. Code 1512 paragraph c.1:
Count 35 cites violation of Title 18 U.S. Code 1519:
Count 36 cites violation of Title 18 U.S. Code 1001 paragraph a:
Counts 37-38 cite violation of Title 18 U.S. Code 1512 1001 paragraph a:
Maybe you can tell us how the Espionage Act of 1917 applies to this case???
Vic, seriously man, you need to stop believing whatever Trump says. The Espionage Act of 1917 has been incorporated into United States Code and the Code has undergone much change over time. Trump's indictment (counts 1-31) are violations of current U.S. Code Title 18 and much of that content originally came from the criminal aspects of the Espionage Act.
Trump is playing word games (and of course blatantly lying) ... trying to claim that he is being viewed as a WWI era spy.
maybe you can tell us why you can't admit that trump brought this upon himself...
Another point per your question.
The most stark difference between Trump's case and those of Biden and Pence is encapsulated in the words: knowingly and willfully.
So I imagine all of this will happen mostly behind closed doors?
I don't seem them doing a live broadcast like the OJ trial.
Yes, cameras aren't allowed in the Courtroom.
So is that just for federal cases? Honestly I don't know.
Federal Courts prohibit them and each state makes their own rules.
Ah, thanks.
I actually have more procedural questions but I am already off topic on TiG's seed...Haha
I'm very optimistic that trump supporters will want this "witch hunt" and "political persecution" trial broadcast to the public and collectively demand that the court allow that to happen. /s
If they even get a conviction on half of this, he’ll likely spend the rest of his life in prison.
Doubtful he’ll spend a second incarcerated.
The conviction is the goal for anyone who cares about the rule of law and setting the precedent that no one is above the law, lest an even more devious, dangerous person hold or abuse the office.
I hope that you're wrong about that. trump needs to go to prison, if convicted. if nixon had died in prison, would we be seeing this abuse of power by elected officials today?
There will be tremendous pressure on whomever is President to pardon Trump, or at the very least to commute his sentence if he's actually put in a jump suit.
I really hope that doesn't happen. I think pardoning Nixon contributed to the idea some still hold that Trump was above the law so long as he was POTUS.
I think Obama not appointing a Special Council investigation into the Bush Admin for lying to Congress on WMD in Iraq was a huge mistake. But really there are no good options here as long as both parties are playing partisan politics.
Beau weighs in on why this is normal jurisprudence rather than political:
I'm of the opine, that in order for those still wishing to whine, about unequal treatments and witch hunts pursuing the one without a spine, that they be required to dine, on the fruitful bounties described within this indictment read and this YouTube feed. It contains more than any should need, unless, like Trump, they are extra seedy, and excessively greedy...
The lack of restrictions placed on him is a bit concerning, TBH. It seems to me that he should at least have been forced to surrender his passport.
I thought NY had his passport, but I'm obviously wrong. I'm very surprised, but maybe it has something to do with the conditions put forth by the Secret Service detail?
That's true. It could well be that, if he were to try to leave the country, his Secret Service detail would be on the phone immediately to prevent that from happening.
I suppose my concern is that he could flee to a country with whom we have no extradition treaty, with state secrets to trade for their help in keeping him out of reach.
Trump could plead guilty or go into exile!
If not then he will be physically locked up.
Then he would be persona non grata everywhere outside that country. I would assume it would be Russia where he has business and contacts, but maybe not. He's be Snowden 2.
I don't think he'd do that though. It would admit defeat and show weakness.
I doubt he can go anywhere without his SS entourage cooperating.
I hope you and TiG are right.
Imagine if Trump were to flee the country. His legacy would be beyond disgraced. Although IMO his Big Lie campaign already screwed his legacy. But fleeing might even cause MAGAites to turn.
Maybe. I'm not sure he cares for his legacy anymore. He already sounded pretty pitiful, begging Raffensperger to find more votes for him. And TBH, I can see the MAGAites spinning it as "Well, he had to flee the unfair justice system that was going to imprison the greatest POTUS ever to sit in the Oval Office on sheer politics." I honestly think some are no longer capable of believing anything negative about him.
You have a point.
But I will trust that having a Secret Service detail will keep him from disappearing.
they are so fully invested in trump mentally that they can no longer turn back.
Yup. Sunk cost fallacy.
Stubborn ignorance.
That, too.
What's a "MAGAites"? Do we have a new political party, or is that just a "slam" against anyone opposed to Dems/Liberals???
That's where you got stuck?
Those who still believe and support Trump.
Not at all. I used that term first here and I am not a D or a liberal.
I agree. unamerican scum or gullible fucking morons would seem much more appropriate...
There really is a point where loyalty to Trump precludes loyalty to the US. I think there can be no doubt that we have passed that point.
some people are definitely on the wrong side of american patriotism, let alone the constitution...
Like promoting Social Security fraud?
No, supporting Trump. Do you think it is patriotic, rational and responsible to help/enable Trump to win the GOP nomination?
No.
Seems like hypocrisy to me!
Oh please please please...let him board a plane for Russia and we won't ever hear from him again!
Why do you allow George to go off topic?
You're too nice
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If that happened, the leftists here would keep him front and center for years like they have been doing.
You are clearly off topic because TiG's seed is not about social security fraud. But this is my last word on the matter since it is his seed and I'm derailing
apparently only elected republicans are allowed to commit fraud...
fix the fuel gauge first... /s
Do you really think that's what dev was suggesting ... @!@
you've got a stalker....
more like a group...
Personally, I was thinking North Korea myself...
Yeah, Trump misses his North Korean girl friend.
"..ss entourage cooperating." Really? No offense meant, but if you are referring to ss as in Nazi Germany, that seems a big stretch on a thin limb there.
Secret Service
Yes, as JBB noted, SS = secret service.
It surprises me that you would think I would write anything as bizarre as how you interpreted my comment.
My most humble apologies. I should have known better.
Beau weighing in on the 'two tiered system' talking point:
very good videos TiG
Just another spin of the cycle. This situation isn't any different than the BLM protests. The outrage depends upon trusting the bureaucrats making the allegations and charges.
If you trust the police, prosecutors, and courts then there is a criminal involved. If you don't trust the police, prosecutors, and courts then there is a victim involved and it really doesn't matter what the victim did. We already know that the police, prosecutors, and courts will twist things to cover their backsides.
Looks like many of the Trump defenders have (for the moment) paused with their ridiculous attempts to defend the indefensible.
It won't last lol. They are just trying to decide which version of "trump is above the law" will play politically.
Pathetic, is it not?
Trump on Tuesday night:
The man creates and inhabits his own reality by spinning lies. If the last one didn't work, make up another, bigger one
And that is not the worse part of it (phenomenally tragic as that is), this buy-in to an alternative truth by a steady pool of conservatives is raw power personified. Trump promises conservatives detachment and pursuit of their heart's desires as they march headlong against the stream of tomorrow! That is, Trump is selling them once again that he will achieve their goals (he is a liar's liar) where others still manage to fail them.
And, at the end of the day, conservatives desperately want to have their foot on the neck of liberals! Conservatives 'hunger' (pant) after success over those groups of citizens they consider inferior to their worldview.
I am not too sure if I would go that far. Some conservatives want that without a doubt. Some liberals would like to kick around on some conservatives. That is more a character issue endemic to certain people. I think that the vast majority of Americans just want to go about their lives with a minimum of interference from anyone.
It is when groups of people start to see other groups as enemies that we see the concurrent rise of politicians tending, growing and ultimately harvesting votes from the perceived demons at the door. They are like vampires in that way. They, politicians, cultivate little differences and grow them into festering wounds all for the sake of your money, your vote, and their own power. Hell, I would bet that some of them do that exact thing without realizing it.
The party mindset is coercive and corruptive. I feel that it is best done away with.
Friend Thomas, you may or may not have paid any attention to several years of comments where up to my recent time as "Away" from NT, I always referred to MAGA conservatives as "some conservatives" but I did so.
Upon my return to "CB," I took to heart that it bothered some conservatives (there it is again) here that I was using an euphemism (some conservatives) to avoid labeling the 'lot' of them. So I switched up and went back to using the whole word conservatives trusting that it may be that others would understand.
LOL. You called me out on the change, knowing this background or not knowing it. : )
(Many members will recall it being so, nevertheless.)
I am not dead set against republicans or conservatives, not even hardened against some republicans or some conservatives. What I am doing (here and now) is pushing back as hard as they do against their prescriptions and policies that suggest/inform/tell people like myself that we should not properly exist inclusively, equitably/equally, and with diversity alongside them. That word, "alongside" of conservatives and some conservatives is important. Because if they ever allow us to exist inclusively equally, in diversity, without these made up cultural 'wars'. . . that is, leave us alone to be ourselves as mainstream citizens. . . .
To wit. When they can live their lives in peace while letting us live our lives in peace. I can go along and live with them in peace. That is the (my) goal: Peace. Not dominance. To be clear. I don't care if (MAGA) or rank and file republicans/conservatives ever like liberals, but I can live with them in peace if they just end the cultural war campaign (which is wild and all out of proportions).
For that matter, I see rank and file republicans (aka: called RINOs by MAGAns) like former RNC Chair Michael Steel, Nicole Wallace, Joe Scarborough, The Lincoln Product "team" of republicans, Omarosa Manigault Newman, Anthony Scaramucci, Colin Powell, Rick Wilson, George Conway, Rick Wilson, Liz Cheney, al as conservatives who have turned against the true problem today in republican politics:
Takeover conservative dominance of the entire political bailiwick! That is, 'scorched earth' conservatism, white nationalism, and christian nationalism dominating the entire company.
Donald Trump recently stated his goals as, "I am your retribution!" "No one can save you but me." Meaning from the liberals, the progressives, the blacks, the Others.
Therefore, it is my driving force to think about conservatives, especially some conservatives, as they are now; I am willing to moderate my perceptions of some conservatives just as soon as they drop their rocks.
Because we, minorities, women, Others are putting our heart and soul into this country and should be a partially permitted to set the national standards too!
As for me personally, I like people - all people. But, I have to call them out when they are wrong as I see it proportionally. And yes, I do think some republican ideas are 'just' and honest, but there's some much malice and deceit emanating from their side of the aisle against the other side that it throws everything positive about them out of whack (for me anyway).
Thank you for giving me a chance to explain this a bit
(Now, it's dinner time for me.)
that worked pretty well for his hero adolph, about 90 years ago...
I'm willing to wait until the end of the trial. Let's not forget that indictments are really a one-sided narrative and we cannot forget that Jack Smith has a history of stretching the law and over charging.
Partisans will do doubt contest or applaud this post depending on where their partisanship lies and I really don't care. I can wait until the end of the trial. And I suspect this will be a long wait as I do not expect a fast trial.
Trump will almost certainly engage in delay tactics.
but will trump's wallet outlast the clock he's hoping to run out?
People keep sending him money, so it very well may.
I read the going rate for a retainer to defend him is now $3 million, up front. his fund raising efforts are also steadily diminishing as time goes on...
I stand corrected, and gladly so.
I do worry that lack of counsel will prevent a trial from going forward, though.
If a lawyer wants to be paid, it has to be "up front".
Trump doesn't pay his bills.
you're not wrong, but the numbers of his willing rubes is either dying off, out of money, or rethinking sending their money to a traitor.
Not to mention a jury that can also pass the necessary background checks to be able to view and talk about those 31 charges dealing with classified documents.
It still shocks me that people are that ignorant.