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Biden calls Xi dictator, China says his comments are 'extremely absurd and irresponsible'

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  last year  •  115 comments

By:   Madeleine Hubbard (Just The News)

Biden calls Xi dictator, China says his comments are 'extremely absurd and irresponsible'
China's response came after Biden said at a California fundraiser that Xi was upset when the U.S. shot down a Chinese spy balloon in February.

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President Joe Biden referred to Chinese leader Xi Jinping as a dictator, and China's Foreign Ministry on Wednesday called his comments "extremely absurd and irresponsible."

"It is a blatant political provocation. China expresses strong dissatisfaction and opposition," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said about Biden's comments during a daily press briefing in Beijing, according to The Associated Press. "The U.S. remarks are extremely absurd and irresponsible."

Ning's quick response came after Biden said Tuesday evening at a California fundraiser that Xi was upset when the U.S. shot down a Chinese spy balloon in February.

"China is real — has real economic difficulties. And the reason why Xi Jinping got very upset in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two boxcars full of spy equipment in it is he didn't know it was there. No, I'm serious. That's what's a great embarrassment for dictators, when they didn't know what happened," Biden said, according to the official White House transcript.

The clash over Biden's remarks comes one day after Secretary of State Antony Blinken finished his visit to Beijing, where he met with Xi amid mounting tensions between the two nations.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    last year

I hope Joe gets it

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

I take it the photo you selected was a 'click-bait' editorial choice.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @1.1    last year

Looks like it worked as here you are!

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    last year

Nah, just the desperate headline atop a desperate article ... authored by a desperate Ms. Hubbard.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @1.1.2    last year

And yet, still here you are!

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    last year

Thought I would give the fall down comedy routine a chance ... hoot, hoot!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Hallux @1.1.2    last year
 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.5    last year

China has been enraged since chants of "ChinA-Virus' wafted across the Pacific.

 
 
 
George
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1.1.7  George  replied to  Hallux @1.1.6    last year
China has been enraged since chants of "ChinA-Virus' wafted across the Pacific.

The obligatory trump reference on an article that has nothing to do with him.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.8  Hallux  replied to  George @1.1.7    last year

Followed by the obligatory response whenever his name is mentioned ... sorry but no matter how much you try to whitewash him from history it will fail miserably.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.8    last year

You best worry about the little dictator in Canada. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.10  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.9    last year

Pierre Poilievre? Poor lad doesn't know whether to be Don or Ron.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.10    last year

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AKA: the Earl of Dorincourt

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

It would be great if you 'got it'.

No fear of that ever happening.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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1.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

Gets what?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

One of the very few cases where Biden was actually correct. Xi is in fact a dictator!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.4.1  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4    last year

Correct yes, but this was a major unforced error.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    last year

the problem with a brain damaged old man who couldn’t run a Dairy Queen being president is the real danger to foreign relations he creates.  He goes from kow towing to insulting over the course of a few days, causing instability and confusion for no purpose. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year

The CCP also said that communications between the US military and China's military are now over.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    last year

Bad …. very bad!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.1    last year

Tomorrow they might just tell Joe that one of their Generals went rogue and unleashed a new kind of covid virus on the US border.

Don't piss them off Joe!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    last year

Man, who are you rooting for? You build up and defend tyrants at every turn and shit on democratic leaders (who aren't republicans) whenever you can. I have said it before and will again, Vic is an autocrat at heart.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year

256

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2    last year

Or order from wish.com

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year

Biden is correct. Xi Jinping is actually a dictator. 

Coming from a supporter of the King of insulting nicknames that is funny.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  cjcold @2.3    last year

Of course he's a dictator.  That's not the point.  

The Biden admin spent months begging for the meeting. Over the weekend Biden embarrassed himself and our country by claiming the spy balloons weren't an intentional act  by China.  Despite China snubbing the Sec of State and refusing to allow direct military to military talks, Biden declared the meeting a victory and claimed our relations were on the right path.  See the narrative  Biden's handlers had laid out for him to follow? 

Then 24 hours later he's calls him a dictator, even though XI considers that an insult, thus setting back whatever progress the Biden admin had made by supplicating itself to China.  SO all the months of humiliating our country to achieve some sort of progress with China are out the window with zero to show for it.  

He too brain damaged to control his mouth and stick to a plan. That's the problem.  

 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.2  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @2.3    last year

See 7.0 below.

Raise that the many times my friends on left here accused Trump of being undiplomatic.

Bidenettes give Goober another pass …..

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3.1    last year

And the only alternative the GOP offers up is Trump, a guy who will suck Xis cock for $10. 

Our country is fucked. Only thing we did right lately is Ukraine.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year

'brain damaged old man'

the former 'president' you mean?

untreated syphilis?

 
 
 
Hallux
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3  Hallux    last year

So much for calling Biden Xi's puppet. S/

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hallux @3    last year
So much for calling Biden Xi's puppet. S/

The FBI was supposed to release the report on the spy balloon in April, but China said no. So no report and we've "moved on" as China demanded.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    last year

Is that the story you're buying? Okay.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hallux @3.1.1    last year

Good point. I'm sure Reuters, that notorious right wing source, is lying to attack Biden. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.2    last year

Link ... thanx.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Hallux @3.1.1    last year
Is that the story you're buying?

Actually no, it is the story he is trying to sell.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @3.1.3    last year

Here you go.

In late March, Waters told a staff meeting that the State Department would "move on" from the balloon incident with China, following guidance from Sherman who was eager to reschedule the Blinken trip, two of the sources said.

One Chinese official confirmed to Reuters that a renewed Blinken visit would be more likely if the U.S. accommodated Beijing's wish to shelve the issue, adding that China had conveyed it did not want the FBI to release details of its investigation into the downed balloon.

The two sources said the FBI report had originally been anticipated for mid-April release.

The FBI declined to comment on any report. The State Department told Reuters it had never discussed the issue with the bureau and declined to comment on discussions with China over the matter.

Liu Pengyu, spokesman for the Chinese embassy in Washington, said in a statement that China "has strong concern about the independence, openness and transparency of the investigation" into the wreckage.

He added that the U.S. should show sincerity "to create conditions and atmosphere for high-level exchanges and bring China-U.S. relations back to the right track."

Asked about the release of the FBI report at a May 2 Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, Daniel Kritenbrink, the department's top diplomat for East Asia, said: "I absolutely support making sure that people are aware of what happened."

He added that the department was committed to managing competition between the U.S. and China.

"Part of that, in our mind, has to involve senior-level communication, keeping channels open," Kritenbrink said.

Craig Singleton, a China expert of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, said the State Department was "caught in a trap of its own making," forgoing actions aimed at maximizing U.S. leverage in its eagerness to resume high-level exchanges.

"This decision, while well-intentioned, strengthens China's hand," Singleton said.

Read the full article. The State Department is giving marching orders to everyone else. They are holding back on sanctions against Chinese tech companies and government officials.

Let us know if you find an article showing that the FBI has released the report on the Chinese spy balloon- would love to see what is in it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4  Right Down the Center    last year

"The U.S. remarks are extremely absurd and irresponsible."

Pretty much sums up the whole Biden administration.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    last year

Upset about the posture the Biden admin has taken against China? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1    last year

Trying to get me to defend a statement I never made?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1    last year
Upset about the posture the Biden admin has taken against China? 

Confused might be a better word.

What is the point of talking with China, trying to build a rapport, and then turning around and saying something like this JUST to piss the Chinese off?

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     last year

It's a true statement Xi is a dictator and I imagine that China is pissed because of the moves taken by the administration that makes China's position in military tactics more difficult. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @5    last year

President for life = king or dictator, dictator is more appropriate to the suits Xi prefers.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.1    last year

Dictator? China has a political party, elections and guaranteed freedoms for all of its citizens.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.1    last year

The people only vote for local elections.

National business is controlled by the only Party, the CCP, which appoints the 2,952

Reps who voted unanimously to appoint the unopposed Xi Jinping

for an unprecedented and unconstitutional 3rd term,

which they "fixed", by deleting the two term limit from the Constitution.

The Chinese are very pragmatic when it comes to words on paper.

Don't like it - delete it.

Like many other "dictators" he is also the Party Chairman and the CIC of the military.

Dissidents like 69 year old retired billionaire Ren Zhigiang who criticized Xi's handling

of Covid are stripped of wealth and power, accused of stealing from the state and

sentenced to lengthy jail terms.  RZ was sentenced to 18 years.

 
 
 
bccrane
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6  bccrane    last year

And the reason why Xi Jinping got very upset in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two boxcars full of spy equipment in it is he didn't know it was there. No, I'm serious. That's what's a great embarrassment for dictators, when they didn't know what happened,"

What the, with all the coverage about the travels of that balloon through our airspace and Xi didn't know it was here?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1  Texan1211  replied to  bccrane @6    last year

Joe Biden attempts to rewrite history.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    last year

No, that would be the gop/gqp

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    last year
No, that would be the gop/gqp

Joe Biden is an idiot.

Calling the guy a dictator proves or accomplishes WHAT besides pissing them off?

Why try to be diplomatic, right?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bccrane @6    last year

I think he's hoping Xi is as clueless as he is.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2    last year

Xi paid good money for that dumb ass

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.1    last year

Just how much did Ivanka get?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @6.2.2    last year

I can tell that it's getting towards the end of the month.

Where are your friends?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.3    last year
I can tell that it's getting towards the end of the month.

Yet another deflection to something Trump-related to deflect from Joe's "gaffes".

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.4    last year

And we keep expecting something better. Maybe he is tired today.

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.2.6  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.3    last year

At the library picking up 'The End of Days' by Jenny Erpenbeck for me. Where are yours?

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.2.7  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.4    last year

Psst ... this entire seed is a deflection from the travails of he who shall not be mentioned. Ms. Hubbard is famed for 'framing'.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @6.2.7    last year

Look, I get that many would prefer to only have "I Hate Trump" articles here but there ARE other events happening.

You call it a deflection because you don't want to talk about the topic HERE.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  Hallux @6.2.7    last year

Nah, I would say it’s more like Bidenettes working overtime to support/enable goobers equally undiplomatic behavior.

Meh ….. SOSDD ….

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @6.2.2    last year

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Ronin2
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6.2.12  Ronin2  replied to  dennis smith @6.2.10    last year

Brandon will have to stop sending US military hardware, munitions, and financial aid to Ukraine. China loves that he is depleting US military resources fighting his proxy war with Russia.

Brandon sheath is empty. The only thing he has to rattle is the pebble he accidently dropped into it and can't seem to dislodge.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  bccrane @6    last year
all the coverage about the travels of that balloon through our airspace and Xi didn't know it was here?

That's the sort of humiliation China gave Biden millions to undertake on their behalf.  To get in front of the world and tell an obvious lie on China's behalf. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.3.1  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.3    last year

[deleted]

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.3.2  Hallux  replied to  Hallux @6.3.1    last year

[deleted]

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7  Sparty On    last year

And they say Trump is undiplomatic.

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.1  Hallux  replied to  Sparty On @7    last year

Elbowing members of NATO is diplomatic?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Hallux @7.1    last year

Forcing NATO members to pay their agreed upon share is a friendly elbow

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.1    last year

Pushing the smallest member, Montenegro, accomplishes that? Bully in the schoolyard stuff.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Hallux @7.1.2    last year

Nah, I was thinking more like Germany and France.    We’ve been carrying their water in NATO for years

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.3    last year

It wasn't them he pushed aside.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Hallux @7.1.4    last year

Bullshit!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @7    last year

He was tough with China. He was a dirty bird with a finger on the nuclear button and Xi knew it!

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.2.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2    last year

He was even tougher with No Kwang Chol ...

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2    last year
He was a dirty bird with a finger on the nuclear button ...

You want that??

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.2    last year

I want every enemy leader to be convinced of that.

 
 
 
Ender
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7.2.4  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.3    last year

And I suppose after one will drink the koolaide as well....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @7.2.4    last year

The koolaide stopped Russia from invading the Ukraine and The Crimea. It's amazing what a little respect for US power can do.

 
 
 
Ender
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7.2.6  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.5    last year

Yeah, donald was so respected.   Hahaha

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.3    last year

Not only do I NOT want a leader with an itchy button finger, but I do NOT want the planet thinking the USA empowers irrational individuals who might put the planet into a nuclear war with the preemptive use of nuclear weapons.

You need to rethink your diplomatic strategy.

 
 
 
evilone
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7.2.8  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2    last year
He was tough with China.

He and his daughter had business dealings with China while he was in office.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2    last year

A dirty bird?

Who talks like that?

lol

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.9    last year

Who did you respond to? He would be the one. Funny you didn't realize that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.10    last year

WTF are you talking about?

I know who the fuck I was responding to -  as evidenced by the fact that I responded to [Deleted]

So why are you here? I wasn't talking to you.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.2.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.11    last year

You asked the question "Who talks like that" so it seemed you didn't know who talks like that even though you responded to the person who talked like that.

So why are you here? [Deleted]

Nice edit. Good for you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.12    last year

You obviously don't understand a rhetorical question.  Move along now.  Go taunt someone who has time for your bullshit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.12    last year

The truth is the truth - that's frowned upon in 'articles' like this.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.2.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.12    last year
You asked the question "Who talks like that" so it seemed you didn't know who talks like that even though you responded to the person who talked like that.

You know you can't use common sense like that on some people.  It hurts their feelings.

So why are you here? [Deleted]

See.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.7    last year

Do you recall the warning that Eisenhower gave during the Korean War?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.16    last year

Eisenhower never suggested it was good to have a leader with an itchy button finger or to have the planet thinking the USA empowers irrational individuals who might plunge the planet into a nuclear war with the preemptive use of nuclear weapons.

So make a specific point.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.17    last year
So make a specific point.

I think my point has been made. The Russians took Crimea during the Obama years and attacked the Ukraine during the Biden years. Our enemies were tranquil during the Trump years. It's called "Peace through strength" and it worked for other Presidents as well:

"On 21st May Dulles met with Indian leader Jawaharlal Nehru in New Delhi. Expecting his words to reach Beijing, he indicated that Washington would probably make a “stronger rather than a lesser military response if talks failed” but at the same time emphasised the American desire to end the fighting through negotiation. Approaches by Ambassador Bohlen to Molotov a day later were similarly conciliatory.

It was not until the eve of the armistice agreement that Eisenhower approved the transfer of nuclear weapons abroad. He received the proposal on 20th June, just as the release of prisoners in Korea had endangered the agreement. The request came less than twenty four hours after the NSC had considered how to respond to a build up of enemy forces and a possible last minute Chinese ground offensive. But although the President called for immediate marine reinforcements to Japan, the JCS no longer sought authority for use of the weapons and no hints were dropped about the move, which was as much the beginning of a longer-term strategy for nuclear deployment as a short-term measure: In the event, an armistice was agreed without recourse to nuclear coercion.

The Korean War ended as it began, with not a single American nuclear weapon deployed within usable distance of the fighting. But while Washington never came close to tactical use of atomic weapons, statesmen of both administrations used them as a negotiating tool."




In Trump's case the appearance of "irrational" was as good as Eisenhower's steady hand.

Btw, Trump is far more rational than the ass we have in the White House now.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.19  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.18    last year
In Trump's case the appearance of "irrational" was as good as Eisenhower's steady hand.

You have a point.   If our enemies believe our CiC is irrational they will be cautious.   It is damagingly negative for the USA to be seen as an irrational, irresponsible super-power, but it does bring that one advantage you cite.

I think my point has been made.

Poorly at best until now.   You referenced Eisenhower which is entirely misleading because Eisenhower never suggested it was good to have a leader with an itchy button finger or to have the planet thinking the USA empowers irrational individuals who might plunge the planet into a nuclear war with the preemptive use of nuclear weapons.

Now, do you think we should elect irrational CiCs?    Or, softer, do you think the USA should project an image of an irrational, irresponsible super-power that is itching to plunge the planet into nuclear war?

The proper approach is diplomacy backed by a clearly superior military force.   I would reference Teddy Roosevelt here: "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far".

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.2.20  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.18    last year
Btw, Trump is far more rational than the ass we have in the White House now.

Yeah, it is quite rational to knowingly and willingly refuse to fully cooperate in the return of classified (some TS/SCI) documents, to hide them from authorities, to lie to authorities, and to disclose contents (even in abstract) to unauthorized individuals; especially when the aforementioned are criminal acts.

Letting one's emotions and ego open oneself up for a strong federal criminal indictment is the epitome of rationality.

And it is superbly rational to claim, even now, that the 2020 election was rigged, that Trump actually won, that Biden is illegitimate and that millions of voters were disenfranchised.

And then of course a rational PotUS would allow his supporters to break and enter the Capitol building to disrupt the workings of Congress and not lift a finger to stop them for three hours (although he was perfectly willing to fuel the fire by tweeting that Pence let them down right in the middle of the insurrection).

That just screams rational reasoning and behavior.

256

Why do you continue to defend this abysmal character?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.19    last year
  Or, softer, do you think the USA should project an image of an irrational, irresponsible super-power that is itching to plunge the planet into nuclear war?

I think the US leader needs to project strength. That would eliminate Carter, Obama and Scranton Joe.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.22  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.21    last year

Projecting strength is good; that is the point I made.

Projecting irrationality is net bad.

An irrational person like Trump should never be allowed political power, much less the presidency.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.23  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.22    last year

Projecting something and being something are two different things. He was an excellent President.

Biden has done serious injury to this nation. You seem to regard his tenure as no different from any other recent president. 

I have to believe that either:

A) you don't care

or

B) you like those policies.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.24  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.23    last year
Projecting something and being something are two different things.

Trump is irrational.  But even if not, projecting irrationality is in itself bad.   The USA does not want to be seen as irrational or irresponsible on the world stage.

Do you actually disagree with that??

A) you don't care   or    B) you like those policies.

Reality is far more complex than your simple binary question implies.   I have made it quite clear that I do not believe Biden should be PotUS and am against his nomination for 2024.   I have also noted policies that I find to be wrong / damaging like his apparent policies on illegal immigration or government spending and policies that I find to be correct such as building USA infrastructure, encouraging renewable energy, encouraging rational steps regarding climate change, and providing leadership in support of Ukraine.

Reality is not black or white ... it is many shades of gray.   One can dislike aspects of a PotUS and like others.   One can deem a PotUS to be too old, etc. for the office while finding another individual who is demonstrably and wholly unfit to hold a public office to be a profoundly worse candidate.

Political reality is not something that can be boxed into a simplistic little model with comfortable rules that always work.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
7.3  Tacos!  replied to  Sparty On @7    last year
And they say Trump is undiplomatic.

He is. There can be more than one lunkhead in politics.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @7.3    last year

No argument there but who gets hammered by the left for it?

Not Biden

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.3.2  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @7.3.1    last year

Why would you think that a PotUS would get hammered by his own party in today's divisive, uber-partisan environment?

Rs have been making outrageously stupid 'arguments' trying to defend indefensible acts by a former R PotUS.   So why would you think Ds would offer normal criticism of their PotUS?

We are NOT living in a period of time where integrity and honesty are valued.   What is valued is power and influence and the ends justify the means.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.3.3  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.3.2    last year

See a lot of never Biden Democrats do you?

We are NOT living in a period of time where integrity and honesty are valued. 

Nothing new.    The difference is the weaponizing of the Fed.    That accelerated after Trump beat the chosen one.    I hang much of the divisiveness today around her neck. 

Never forget her calls to resist.    I haven’t.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.3.4  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @7.3.3    last year
I hang much of the divisiveness today around her neck. 

You think Hillary (politically dead since 2016) has introduced more contemporary (as in today) divisiveness than Trump who has been politically active at the highest levels since 2016 and is well known for being an abusive, divisive asshole??

I have never liked Hillary, but there is no comparison between her and Trump in terms of divisiveness (and other qualities).

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.3.5  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.3.4    last year

Your “analytical” wordsmithing is amusing.    I never claimed one was better or worse than the other.    My claim is in black and white above so I won’t waste  bandwidth repeating it.  

But one would have to be pretty dull to intimate in any way, that Hillary didn’t help create much of todays divisiveness.

And she is still hip deep in it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.3.6  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @7.3.5    last year
But one would have to be pretty dull to intimate in any way, that Hillary didn’t help create much of todays divisiveness.

Yes, as my comment suggests, Hillary has of course contributed to modern political divisiveness.   Just nowhere close to that of Trump.   

Using Trumpesque language, Trump is a disaster.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.3.7  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.3.6    last year

Well, that’s a long way to go for “I have never liked Hillary” that’s for sure but I’ll take your word for it.

And opinions do vary.    

Hillary managed to alienate nearly half the country just as well as Trump has but perhaps you didn’t notice since you weren’t one of them.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8  Kavika     last year

If Xi is upset over the dictator's comment imagine how he feels about the new agreement between US and PNG that allows us to open both naval and ground force bases there. Further complicating China's push in the Pacific and the extension of the Quad, Japan, and South Korea became more allied and expanded their military arsenal and the little matter of our agreement with the Philippines. Or the stationing of some of our B 52s in northern Australia.

Oh, and the latest from Indonesia, we have landed some of our B 52s there for the first time ever and have been conducting joint air exercises with the Indonesia air force. And late in 2022 Indonesia order 35 F-15 from the US.

Xi has plenty to be upset about and I would guess being called a dictator is pretty far down the list.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
8.1  Hallux  replied to  Kavika @8    last year

Xi's puppet has been a busy boy but this kind of stuff will not wash with Ms. Hubbard and her wheelbarrow of squirrels.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Hallux @8.1    last year

So true, Xi has Goober and his useful idiot Bidenettes right where he wants them.

Dim, dull and completely detached from reality.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9  Tacos!    last year
And the reason why Xi Jinping got very upset in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two boxcars full of spy equipment in it is he didn't know it was there.

He didn’t know it was there? Why wouldn’t he know? Was it supposed to be spying on Canada? Was it not sending back signals? 

That's what's a great embarrassment for dictators

OK, well, he is a dictator, but is it necessary to point out the obvious? Especially when we’re trying to have a dialogue with his country? I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade, but if diplomacy is a priority, you might want to be more thoughtful about when and how you do it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @9    last year

Joe Biden is intent on proving why his handlers should never let him go off script.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10  TᵢG    last year

Clearly sloppy statesmanship; an unforced error.   Especially given the renewed interest in keeping a good diplomatic relationship with China.

 
 

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