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Gov. DeSantis Signs Slate of Extreme Anti-LGBTQ+ Bills, Enacting a Record-Shattering Number of Discriminatory Measures Into Law - Human Rights Campaign

  

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Via:  jbb  •  last year  •  133 comments

By:   Human Rights Campaign

Gov. DeSantis Signs Slate of Extreme Anti-LGBTQ+ Bills, Enacting a Record-Shattering Number of Discriminatory Measures Into Law - Human Rights Campaign
The Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the nation's largest lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ+) civil rights organization, condemns Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for signing a slate of anti-LGBTQ+ bills designed to scale back the freedoms of LGBTQ+ people and other vulnerable communities.

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by HRC Staff • May 17, 2023

Florida is enacting a record six expressly anti-LGBTQ+ laws this year, more than the last seven years combined

Tallahassee, Florida - Today, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the nation's largest lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ+) civil rights organization, condemns Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for signing a slate of anti-LGBTQ+ bills designed to scale back the freedoms of LGBTQ+ people and other vulnerable communities.

Florida is enacting a record six expressly anti-LGBTQ+ bills into law this year, more than the last seven years combined.

Today, Gov. DeSantis signed HB 1069, which silences educators by prohibiting any instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from Pre-K through 8th grade, SB 254, an extreme gender affirming care ban, and HB 1521, an anti-trans bathroom bill.

Gov. DeSantis has also signed SB 266, which doubles down on his attacks on academic freedom, and SB 1580, a "​​License to Discriminate in Healthcare" bill that will allow healthcare providers and insurers to deny a patient care on the basis of religious, moral, or ethical beliefs.

A sixth bill, SB 170, which would discourage cities from passing non-discrimination ordinances by raising the barriers to proposing ordinances and making it easier to challenge ordinances in court, is still to be signed by DeSantis.

  • Don't Say LGBTQ+ Expansion Bill (HB 1069): In an intentional effort to erase transgender and non-binary people from the curriculum, HB 1069 bans instruction of sexual orientation and gender identity from Pre-K through Grade 8, creates an anti-LGBTQ+ definition of sex based on reproductive function, and would force school staff and students to deadname and misgender one another. In April, Florida's Board of Education also voted to expand Gov. DeSantis's shameful "Don't Say LGBTQ+" bill from 2022 to all grades.

  • Extreme Gender Affirming Care Ban (SB 254): Even among the crowded field of extreme and damaging bans on best practice, age-appropriate health care, this bill stands out as particularly mean-spirited. SB 254 would penalize providers by inflicting criminal penalties (including felony penalties) on providers who give gender-affirming care; it would take licenses away from those providers; and it would prohibit Medicaid from covering gender-affirming care for transgender youth or adults. It would also forbid public funds, including those of a public university, public hospital, city or county, and Medicaid, from being used to provide benefits that include gender-affirming care - for transgender people of all ages. And - uniquely - it allows the state to use gender-affirming care or the "risk" of such care for a child as a reason to give Florida family courts exceptional jurisdiction to set aside another state's custody determination. By singing this bill, DeSantis is disrespecting the United States Constitution as well as the rule of law, not to mention transgender Floridians, their families, and their medical care providers.

  • Anti-Trans Bathroom Bill (HB 1521): HB 1521 criminalizes transgender people for using the restroom that matches their gender identity. The bill prohibits gender-inclusive restrooms and changing facilities in schools, public shelters, healthcare facilities, and jails.

  • MAGA Takeover of Higher Ed Bill (SB 266): SB 266 doubles down on Gov. DeSantis's attacks on academic freedom. The bill would allow the state Board of Governors to give direction to universities on removing majors and minors in subjects like critical race theory and gender studies and would prohibit spending on programs or activities that support such curricula.

  • ​License to Discriminate in Healthcare (SB 1580): This bill will allow healthcare providers and insurers to deny a patient care on the basis of religious, moral, or ethical beliefs. It creates a license to discriminate by allowing healthcare employers to discriminate in hiring, and it bars medical Boards from disciplining doctors for spreading misinformation.

In response, HRC President Kelley Robinson has released the following statement:

"Gov. Ron DeSantis and extremist legislators in Florida are some of the most anti-LGBTQ+ politicians in America. DeSantis has made clear that demonizing LGBTQ+ people will be the center of his legislative agenda and presidential run. As a result, the rights of millions of Floridians are being rolled back by politicians who are attacking the LGBTQ+ community at a breakneck pace to pander to the most extreme fringes of their base.

From doctors' offices to classrooms, they show no shame in assaulting the freedoms of those different from them. They are trying to whitewash history and use the power of the government to punish, erase, or attack anyone they disagree with, including Black and LGBTQ+ communities. They are denying transgender children and adults access to life-saving, best-practice medical care, contradicting guidelines recommended by every major medical association - representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States.

The Human Rights Campaign will continue to fight to ensure all LGBTQ+ youth can access the healthcare they need, feel safe in school, and have access to an education that allows them to see themselves in their school's curriculum and society. The entire country should be alarmed by Gov. DeSantis's form of hateful politics. He is an existential threat to every LGBTQ+ person in Florida and beyond."

So far in 2023, HRC is opposing more than 520 anti-LGBTQ+ bills that have been introduced in statehouses across the country. More than 220 of those bills would specifically restrict the rights of transgender people, the highest number of bills targeting transgender people in a single year to date. This year, HRC is tracking:

  • More than 125 gender-affirming care bans — bills that would prevent transgender youth from being able to access age-appropriate, medically-necessary, best-practice health care; this year, 14 have already become law in Arkansas, Tennessee, Mississippi, South Dakota, Utah, Iowa, Idaho, Indiana, Georgia, Kentucky, West Virginia, North Dakota, Montana, and Oklahoma;

  • More than 30 anti-transgender bathroom bills filed;

  • More than 100 anti-LGBTQ+ curriculum censorship bills, and;

  • 45 anti-LGBTQ+ drag performance ban bills.

Americans believe the amount of anti-LGBTQ+ legislation is excessive, agreeing it is "political theater." Likely voters across all political parties look at GOP efforts to flood state legislatures with anti-LGBTQ+ legislation as political theater. Recent polling indicates that 64% of all likely voters, including 72% of Democrats, 65% of Independents, and 55% of Republicans think that there is "too much legislation" aimed at "limiting the rights of transgender and gay people in America" (Data For Progress survey of 1,220 likely voters, 3/24-26, 2023).

By comparison, last year in 2022 politicians in statehouses across the country introduced 315 anti-LGBTQ+ bills, 29 of which were enacted into law. These efforts — the result of a coordinated push led by national anti-LGBTQ+ groups, which deployed vintage discriminatory tropes seeking to slander, malign, and stigmatize LGBTQ+ people — only yielded a less than 10% success rate, as more than 90% of anti-LGBTQ+ bills were defeated. The majority of the discriminatory bills - 149 bills - targeted the transgender and non-binary community, with the majority targeting children. By the end of the 2022 state legislative season, a record 17 bills attacking transgender and non-binary children were enacted into law.

More than 300 major U.S. corporations have stood up and spoken out to oppose anti-LGBTQ+ legislation being proposed in states across the country. Major employers in tech, manufacturing, hospitality, health care, retail, and other sectors are joining with a unified voice to say discrimination is bad for business and to call on lawmakers to abandon these efforts. Four of the largest U.S. food companies also condemned "dangerous, discriminatory legislation that serves as an attack on LGBTQ+ individuals, particularly transgender and nonbinary people," and the Walton Family Foundation issued a statement expressing "alarm" at the trend of anti-transgender legislation that recently became law in Arkansas.

According to the latest data this year from PRRI, support for LGBTQ+ rights is on the rise in Florida and nationwide: 80% of Florida residents support nondiscrimination protections, and 66% of Florida residents oppose refusal of service on religious grounds. About eight in ten Americans (80%) favor laws that would protect LGBTQ+ people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing. This reflects a dramatic increase in the proportion of Americans who support nondiscrimination protections since 2015, when it was 71%.

The Human Rights Campaign is America's largest civil rights organization working to achieve equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people. HRC envisions a world where LGBTQ+ people are embraced as full members of society at home, at work and in every community.


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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    last year

Ugh! This is for MAGA and DeSantis denialist...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @1    last year

If they are deemed discriminatory, they will be overturned. Civil rights and all............

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    last year

The HRC has all the credibility as the SPLC does.

None.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    last year

The are and they are. Look at front page...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @1.1.2    last year

Count stands at one..................point?

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.4  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.3    last year

Wrong!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @1.1.4    last year

Two I stand corrected...............sort of

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    last year
The HRC has all the credibility as the SPLC does. None.

I think you're going to need a new system of quantifying credibility.  I've never seen the SPLC use "deadname" and "misgender" in the same sentence.  They're not nearly as batshit as these people.  So if the SPLC is zero, we're going to need to break into negative numbers on this.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.6    last year
So if the SPLC is zero, we're going to need to break into negative numbers on this.

I'm okay with that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1.1.4    last year

He always is.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @1    last year

The Human Rights Campaign is America's largest civil rights organization working to achieve equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people. HRC envisions a world where LGBTQ+ people are embraced as full members of society at home, at work and in every community.

They already have full equality by law. But it's doubtful they will ever have universal acceptance.

Human beings are funny....they have all kinds of belief systems and ways of thinking, and who's to judge which ones are superior to another. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    last year
They already have full equality by law.

Yep!!

But it's doubtful they will ever have universal acceptance.

Not in our lifetimes.

Human beings are funny....they have all kinds of belief systems and ways of thinking, and who's to judge which ones are superior to another.

No one but they try...................all of them

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1    last year

Dick Santis is putting targets on the back of the entire LGBTQ+ community.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    last year
Dick Santis is putting targets on the back of the entire LGBTQ+ community.

He isn't, of course, but I am sure the alphabet groups will all claim they are no matter what the facts are.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2  Texan1211    last year

Thanks to DeSantis for showing a little sense and not bowing to the alphabet groups demands.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2    last year

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Texan1211
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2.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1    last year
Do you speak for a particular hate group or is that merely your personal wrong-headed nonsense?

I speak for myself and for the cause of common sense,

Care to join me?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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  • Don't Say LGBTQ+ Expansion Bill (HB 1069):

  • Extreme Gender Affirming Care Ban (SB 254)

  • Anti-Trans Bathroom Bill (HB 1521)

  • MAGA Takeover of Higher Ed Bill (SB 266)

  • ​License to Discriminate in Healthcare

The article can't even get the title of the bills correct then you expect everybody to take it seriously?  That's as much of a joke as the "tolerance and acceptance" we hear about from the left and the alphabet community.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    last year

Its easier to appeal to lemmings when you can just post falsehoods.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    last year

Anything to keep that false narrative alive.  Knowing 90% of the lemmings won't even try to look up the bills.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    last year

Then why do you post them?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.1    last year

My fan club has tracked me down.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    last year

Just too bad they cant post a coherent sentence.

 
 
 
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The gay, lesbian, and bi community wasn't having much a problem, until the trans, queer , and pervert factions moved in and attempted to take over. Ron's reading the temperature of the room and the majority of Florida voters support him. So will voters in other states, and eventually, nationally. As always you exaggerate the effects of these laws.

Conservatives bash Seattle pride parade after men go full-frontal in front of children (msn.com)

George Takei complains that the Right wants to stifle LGBTQ+ people's need to expose themselves to kids – Twitchy

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @4    last year

My world is big enough for all of them, what makes yours too small?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @4.1    last year

You are entitled to your sick perverted world. Just stay the hell out of the rest of ours!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Hallux @4.1    last year

You live in a weird world...where it seems to be OK for grown men to parade around naked in front of children, or have drag queens (or whatever) read stories to very minor children, or where it's OK to sexualize kids and confuse them about sexual preference or gender identity when they too young to understand what they're being indoctrinated with.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.1    last year

Gladly! I'll ask you no more questions 

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.2    last year

And throughout all of that my daughter and her friends remained 'blessed' hetero-gals ... go figure ... /S

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.1    last year

LMAO aren't you from Michigan? Grand Rapids is very gay friendly perhaps you should move to Bum Fuck Idaho or Wingnut Wyoming.

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.6  Ender  replied to  Hallux @4.1.4    last year

Have to wonder what makes some people so afraid of gay people...

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.7  Hallux  replied to  Ender @4.1.6    last year

It's addictive ...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.2    last year
u live in a weird world...where it seems to be OK for grown men to parade around naked in front of children

You mean Boebert's soon to be ex, or Matt Gaetz and his underage girls?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.1    last year

The sick and perverted world you are talking about isn't the one you think.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.2    last year

Wow, that's a real steaming load of hate and lies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.6    last year

Self loathing?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @4    last year

Might as well add in the idiots in NYC's Pride Parade who chanted  “We’re here! We’re queer! We’re coming for your children!” 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2    last year

So you have proof of that, right?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.1    last year

Yes, I sure do!!!

Of course!

Thanks for asking!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.2    last year

So where is it?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.3    last year
So where is it?

I have it.

It is also available for people to look up on that little old thing we call the internet.

Why do you want to know where it is?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.4    last year

If you actually had the proof, then you would provide it.  Why don't you?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.1    last year

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Right Down the Center
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4.2.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.5    last year
If you actually had the proof, then you would provide it.  Why don't you?

Watch it and weep

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.5    last year

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Texan1211
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4.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.7    last year
Watch it and weep

Thank you but it is a waste of time.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.8    last year

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Tessylo
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4.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.7    last year

Of course, that was just a response to the ignorance and nonsense that LGBTQ+ are grooming children when people with sense know that's not true and is mere PD&D from the anti-LGBTQ+ community.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.10    last year

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Texan1211
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4.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.11    last year

The proof you asked for is there, now what do you have to say to defend the indefensible?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.13    last year

4.2.11

When it comes to defending the indefensible, that's your M.O.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.14    last year

So you never even looked at the link after wanting it.

That is why I didn't waste my time giving it to you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.15    last year
 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.16    last year

I read it already.

use your words, what point are you trying to convey?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.17    last year
 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.18    last year

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Right Down the Center
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4.2.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.11    last year
that was just a response to the ignorance and nonsense that LGBTQ+ are grooming children when people with sense know that's not true and is mere PD&D from the anti-LGBTQ+ community.

So since you can't deny it is happening it seems you are trying to defend the indefensible by attempting to rationalize what they did.

Do you really think chanting "we are coming for your children", regardless of reason, is helping them to promote their cause?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.21  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.20    last year

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.21    last year

Too many big words like "the" and "a"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.23  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.22    last year

no I think it is more of a case of pretending something didn't happen if they deny knowledge of it. that way they don't have to defend what even they have to admit is sheer idiocy.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.23    last year

Well, we already know this dude doesn't look at links.  That's one way to remain ignorant and stupid.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.25  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.24    last year

I have no counter to your facts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.25    last year

What facts?

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.27  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.7    last year
Watch it and weep

I watched it and laughed for what it was, performance satire. Call people groomers for several years and they will respond by triggering your appetite for fear. More please!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.28  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @4.2.27    last year
Do you really think chanting "we are coming for your children", regardless of reason, is helping them to promote their cause?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.29  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @4.2.27    last year

THANK YOU!  Exactly what I was saying - this is in response to all the hate and ignorance towards the LGBTQ+ community.  jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.30  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.28    last year

You said that already.

It's still bullshit.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.31  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.30    last year

Is that why no one will actually answer the question?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.32  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.29    last year

Bullshit.  That is some made up rationalization to some people behaving badly.  Just PDD&D

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.33  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.28    last year

Not with you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.34  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.26    last year

Did you see where I was replying to someone there?

That should give you a hint to read HIS post, then you will be able to follow along.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.35  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @4.2.33    last year

Actually you have no clue about what I think about it, but you still evaded the question and would not admit that their behavior would not help promote their cause.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.36  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.34    last year

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Texan1211
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4.2.37  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.36    last year

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Tessylo
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4.2.38  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.31    last year

Several of us have answered the question.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.39  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.32    last year

No, the PD&D plus delusion is yours and your little buddies' M.O. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.40  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.35    last year
Actually you have no clue about what I think about it,

You tell us every day what you think about stuff and then ask slews of rhetorical questions, it's a cheap trick that only 'wins' cheers from a herd of the like minded.

Maybe this 'mob' should have borrowed a chant from the "Jews will not replace us!" 'fine folks' and chanted "Straights will not replace us!

Pffft!

So, what behavior would help their cause according to you other than staying in a windowless basement, keeping their mouths shut and wearing 'manly' clothes?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.41  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.34    last year

I obviously knew you were talking to JRIC and asked you what facts?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.42  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.41    last year
I obviously knew you were talking to JRIC and asked you what facts?

4.2.24.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.43  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.38    last year

No one has. Stop making stuff up.Do you really think chanting "we are coming for your children", regardless of reason, is helping them to promote their cause?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @4.2.40    last year

Still avoiding the question.  Do you really think chanting "we are coming for your children", regardless of reason, is helping them to promote their cause?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.45  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.39    last year

More PD&D+D.  Do you really think chanting "we are coming for your children", regardless of reason, is helping them to promote their cause?

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.46  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.44    last year

Not with people whose sole purpose is to condemn those on another path under some inane and vain manufactured 'cultural crisis', with them nothing will promote the cause of those they disdain. Face it, you have incorporated 'SJW' to the point that you now not only own it but also trumpet it. You are avoiding the answer I gave and the question I asked.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.47  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @4.2.46    last year

What about the people on the fence, the ones that don't follow these things closely?  It seems these people are giving ammunition to those only too happy to use it against them.  If they have something to say to defend themselves against any real or perceived persecution with past or present laws it might behoove them to state their case in a way that won't give ammunition to those against them.

I will also ignore your baseless accusation.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.48  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.20    last year

I answered your question in 4.2.11

Why do you keep asking it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.49  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @4.2.46    last year

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They never answer my question - What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.2.50  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.47    last year
I will also ignore your baseless accusation.

Oh good, I'd hate for you to Dumpty Humpty off the fence. Back to their 'behavior', do you think it would help if they wore kilts (so manly)? You do know one of the reasons Jeanne d'Arc was treated to a pire of flames was that she (how dare she) refused to wear a dress and conform to the 'norms'¿

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
4.2.51  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.48    last year

You   rationalized why they did it.  That may or may not be true, there is no way to be sure.  You failed to answer the question "Do you really think chanting "we are coming for your children", regardless of reason, is helping them to promote their cause?".

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
4.2.52  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @4.2.50    last year
Back to their 'behavior', do you think it would help if they wore kilts?  
That is a pretty ridiculous question.
You do know one of the reasons Jeanne d'Arc was treated to a pire of flames was that she (how dare she) refused to wear a dress and conform to the 'norms'¿
You have a point there?  Has a law been passed saying they should be burned?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.2.53  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.52    last year

It's all about perceptions and preconceptions darling. Few get to escape the glue that binds them.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @4    last year
Ron's reading the temperature of the room and the majority of Florida voters support him.

You're wrong about that. Look at the survey done by the PRRI or the number of Florida mayors that our major cities that are supporting their rights.

At least eight mayors from Orlando, Miami Beach, Tampa, Tallahassee and more have signed the pledge in support of the LGBTQ advocacy organization GLSEN and its Rise Up campaign, according to the group.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.3    last year
At least eight mayors from Orlando, Miami Beach, Tampa, Tallahassee and more have signed the pledge in support of the LGBTQ advocacy organization GLSEN and its Rise Up campaign, according to the group.

And what about the people. You know, John and Jane Doe Public. Mayors and city councils do all kind of stupid shit.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.2  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.1    last year

They speak for the people and once again the people have spoken, read the damn article on this.

According to the latest data this year from PRRI, support for LGBTQ+ rights is on the rise in Florida and nationwide: 80% of Florida residents support nondiscrimination protections, and 66% of Florida residents oppose refusal of service on religious grounds. About eight in ten Americans (80%) favor laws that would protect LGBTQ+ people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing. This reflects a dramatic increase in the proportion of Americans who support nondiscrimination protections since 2015, when it was 71%.
 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.3.2    last year
laws that would protect LGBTQ+ people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing.

Those laws are already on the damned books. And they include every damned citizen of the US FFS. 

I'm thinking

256

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.3.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.3    last year

Their chief complaint is that it doesn't SPECIFICLY identify the alphabet part.  They are demanding special treatment.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.3.4    last year

BINGO!!!

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.6  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.3    last year

Actually, you're not thinking, this is Florida and the laws at directed directly at the LBGQ community.

The surveys destroyed your attempted point. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.3.6    last year

Since when did state discrimination/non discrimination law override Federal?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.8  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.7    last year
Since when did state discrimination/non discrimination law override Federal?

Never said it did but the question remains why is DeSantis trying exactly that?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.3.8    last year

You implied it. And evidently he likes wasting time testing the waters.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.10  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.9    last year
You implied it. And evidently he likes wasting time testing the waters.

Great that you think that you can read my mind and if he likes wasting time testing the waters it's getting very expensive for the Florida taxpayers. To date $17 million on legal cases and the clock is running. It's $1290 per hour on the Disney Case alone.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.3.10    last year
Actually, you're not thinking, this is Florida and the laws at directed directly at the LBGQ community.

So that doesn't imply that somehow Florida can do what it wants no matter what? Ooooookay then

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.12  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.11    last year

First, you stated that I implied it and now it's the state of Florida that implied it. I don't know what the state is implying but thus far they have been slapped down.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.13  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @4.3.10    last year

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.14  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.11    last year

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.3.12    last year

You implied it with your statement about "this is Florida"

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.15    last year

Lastworditis?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.17  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.1    last year

Like discriminate against the LGBTQ+ community and put targets on their backs?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.3.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.17    last year

No. Nothing like that fantasy you and others share.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.19  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.3.18    last year

Not my fantasy.

Truth.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.4  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @4    last year
The gay, lesbian, and bi community wasn't having much a problem,...

Not so much after the SCOTUS added them as a protected class under the Civil Rights Law. Before that...?

...until the trans, queer , and pervert factions moved in and attempted to take over.

First queer is a catch all term for the whole group these days. Second trans people never tried to take over. It's an asinine assumption since they are the smallest faction of the group. They are just the newest right wing boogie man in the outrage propaganda machine.

Ron's reading the temperature of the room and the majority of Florida voters support him.

According to recent polls they really don't. Ronny's going to need a new thermometer since he just bombed in libertarian New Hampshire too.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.4.1  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @4.4    last year

Ronny is using a rectal thermometer

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.4.2  evilone  replied to  Tessylo @4.4.1    last year
Ronny is using a rectal thermometer

Don't give the children any sexual ideas!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @4.4.1    last year

Like the former 'president', that is where their brains reside.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5  Kavika     last year

Many of DeSantis laws have run afoul of the courts/constitution and have been put on hold or overturned. These are the latest two.

Federal Judge Blocks Florida 'Anti-Drag' Law

A federal judge in Orlando has blocked the enforcement of a Florida law that opponents say stifles the free expression of drag artists, according to newly-released court documents.

Judge Strikes Down Florida Medicaid Policy Excluding Gender-Affirming Care | The Hill

A Florida rule excluding gender-affirming health care from Medicaid coverage is unlawful and unconstitutional, a federal judge ruled Wednesday, adding that the policy, enacted last year under the administration of Republican Gov. and presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, is based on politics rather than medicine. 
 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1  evilone  replied to  Kavika @5    last year

My understanding is that almost all of the "anti-woke" laws are being overturned or on stay until the cases work through. As we've discussed multiple times, it seems like the MAGA populists don't understand how government works. Obviously we have to include DeSantis, who's been both a Senator and a Governor, in the doesn't understand category too. We have to conclude one of a couple of things - either they really think they can impose their will, against the Bill of Rights OR they know it won't fly, but do it to fleece the base voters who wouldn't otherwise vote.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  evilone @5.1    last year
OR they know it won't fly, but do it to fleece the base voters who wouldn't otherwise vote.

BINGO

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @5.1    last year

Which of these laws are unconstitutional? DeSantis is a lawyer with a large legal staff. I'm sure these common sense laws will pass muster.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1.3  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    last year
Which of these laws are unconstitutional?

Pretty much all of them run afoul of the 1st Amendment. One also shouldn't pass a "parental rights" law and then pass laws saying parents don't have rights.

DeSantis is a lawyer with a large legal staff.

Then he's a piss poor one, since he keeps getting kneecapped in court.

I'm sure these common sense laws will pass muster.

We don't govern on your feelings.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
5.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  evilone @5.1.3    last year
Pretty much all of them run afoul of the 1st Amendment.

I'm not so sure about that.  

I bet we'll find out, though.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     last year
Which of these laws are unconstitutional? DeSantis is a lawyer with a large legal staff. I'm sure these common sense laws will pass muster.

Do you actually read any of the decisions or do you just blow smoke without thinking? 

If DeSantis and his large legal staff knew what the hell they were doing they would not have been outmaneuvered by a Mouse and better yet the dumbasses violated their own law:

From the federal judge's decision:

Presnell said the "Protection of Children Act" likely contradicts Florida Statute 847.013, which controls minors' exposure to "harmful motion pictures, exhibitions, shows, presentations, or representations." Specifically, the judge pointed to part of the law that "allows for a minor accompanied by his or her parents to attend any such exhibitions, regardless of the minor's age." Presnell compared a parent taking their child to a drag show to a parent taking their child to see an R-rated movie.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.1  evilone  replied to  Kavika @6    last year
better yet the dumbasses violated their own law:

That's the one that makes me giggle. How did they not see this coming? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Kavika @6    last year
Presnell said the "Protection of Children Act" likely contradicts Florida Statute 847.013, which controls minors' exposure to "harmful motion pictures, exhibitions, shows, presentations, or representations."

You do realize that new laws replace old ones all the time, right?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.1  evilone  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2    last year
You do realize that new laws replace old ones all the time, right?

When they do they spell that out in the language of the law. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Jack_TX @6.2    last year
You do realize that new laws replace old ones all the time, right?

You do realize that has to be spelled out in the proposed law, right? It wasn't.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2.3  Jack_TX  replied to  evilone @6.2.1    last year
When they do they spell that out in the language of the law. 

Sometimes.  Sometimes not.  For example, the Affordable Care Act conflicted with a lot of already existing laws, and it took years to sort all that out.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Kavika @6.2.2    last year
You do realize that has to be spelled out in the proposed law, right? It wasn't.

It's supposed to be, but it doesn't always happen that way.  Some of these laws are written by 25 year olds.  They don't always know there is an existing law they're contradicting.

It definitely makes things messier, as you're seeing here.

The interesting question will be whether the primary reason for the ruling is the conflict with existing FL statute or if he feels it is a conflict with either the state or US Constitution.  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.5  evilone  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.3    last year
For example, the Affordable Care Act conflicted with a lot of already existing laws...

Hey, Jack... Would you go back to the original text of the PPACA and show me where it conflicted? I'm sure you are right so you can quote those sections and I can learn something new. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.2.6  Kavika   replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.4    last year
Florida Statute 847.013,

The Florida Statutes are updated annually by laws that create, amend, transfer, or repeal statutory material. Legislative changes to the Florida Statutes effective up to and including January 1, 2023, are treated as current for publication of the 2022 Florida Statutes.

Surely someone in the legal staff knew.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @6.2.5    last year

Perhaps this will help you.

Explaining Litigation Challenging the ACA’s Preventive Services R

Since the enactment of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) in 2010, more than 2,000 legal challenges have been filed in state and federal courts contesting part or all of the ACA. The most recent challenge involves the ACA requirement that most private insurance plans cover recommended preventive care services without cost sharing. In this case, Braidwood Management v. Becerra , Christian owned businesses and six individuals in Texas assert that (1) the requirements in the law for specific expert committees and a federal government agency to recommend covered preventive services is unconstitutional, and that (2) the requirement to cover preexposure prophylaxis (PrEP), medication for HIV prevention, violates their religious rights. If the plaintiffs prevail on either the constitutional or the religious claims, the government’s ability to require insurance plans to cover evidence-based preventive services without cost-sharing may be limited.

2000 challenges.......................

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.8  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.7    last year

That's not what Jack was talking about. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.7    last year

He doesn't need your help.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @6.2.8    last year

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