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Federal judge blocks Florida 'anti-drag' law

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  jbb  •  last year  •  37 comments

By:   Rachel Tucker (WFLA)

Federal judge blocks Florida 'anti-drag' law
A federal judge in Orlando has blocked the enforcement of a Florida law that opponents say stifles the free expression of drag artists, according to newly-released court documents.

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TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — A federal judge in Orlando has temporarily blocked the enforcement of a Florida law that opponents say stifles the free expression of drag artists, according to newly-released court documents.

On Friday, Judge Gregory A. Presnell ordered a preliminary injunction in response to a lawsuit challenging the bill, which was filed by a drag-themed restaurant, Hamburger Mary's, in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida.

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed SB-1438, titled "Protection of Children Act," into law last month. State leaders say the legislation aims to shield children from obscene "adult live performances." Opponents of the bill say it is "anti-drag." Any business caught violating the statute is subject to fines and could have their operating or liquor licenses revoked by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR).

The lawsuit, filed by Hamburger Mary's, alleges that the bill "seeks to explicitly restrict, or chill speech and expression protected by the First Amendment based on its content, its message, and its messenger." The business claims it has been forced to cancel its family-friendly events and to censor themselves out of fear because the statute's language is "unconstitutionally vague and overbroad."

In his ruling, Presnell said the Protection of Children Act "is specifically designed to suppress the speech of drag queen performers." The judge quoted the bill's sponsor, Rep. Randy Fine, who said the legislation "will protect our children by ending the gateway propaganda to this evil — 'Drag Queen Story Time.'"

The defendants in the case, which include Gov. DeSantis and DBPR Secretary Melanie Griffin, filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit. They alleged that the lawsuit is a "shotgun pleading," accusing Hamburger Mary's of throwing "a mish-mash" of legal arguments at the wall and seeing what sticks. The defendants also sought to dismiss the lawsuit because they claim the the suit lacks legal standing to bring the case and that the State of Florida and its governor are protected by sovereign immunity.

Presnell denied the motion to dismiss, saying Hamburger Mary's faces "a substantial risk to its licenses due to (the law's) vague and overbroad language." He specifically pointed out the terms, "live performance," "child," "lewd conduct," and "lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts" as examples of vague wording.

As justification for issuing the injunction, Presnell cited what he called "the Florida Legislature's failure to narrowly tailor (the law) and is its inevitable clash with the Florida 'Parents' Bill of Rights' and other laws."

The "Parents' Bill of Rights," dubbed the "Don't Say Gay" law by its opponents, states that: "All
parental rights are reserved to the parent of a minor child in this state…including…[t]he right to direct the upbringing and the moral or religious training of his or her minor child."

Presnell said the "Protection of Children Act" likely contradicts Florida Statute 847.013, which controls minors' exposure to "harmful motion pictures, exhibitions, shows, presentations, or representations." Specifically, the judge pointed to part of the law that "allows for a minor accompanied by his or her parents to attend any such exhibitions, regardless of the minor's age." Presnell compared a parent taking their child to a drag show to a parent taking their child to see an R-rated movie.

The "Protection of Children Act" was set to go into effect on July 1. Presnell ordered that Griffin and the DBPR must not enforce the law until the court can conduct a trial on the merits of the case.

In response to the ruling, a spokesperson for Gov. DeSantis said the following:


Of course it's constitutional to prevent the sexualization of children by limiting access to adult live performances. We believe the judge's opinion is dead wrong and look forward to prevailing on appeal.
Jeremy Redfern, Press Secretary

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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    last year

In case MAGA and DeSantis denialists missed it.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2  Jack_TX    last year

This looks headed to the SCOTUS.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2    last year
[t]he right to direct the upbringing and the moral or religious training of his or her minor child

That is not a one way street.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1    last year
That is not a one way street.

It never was.

But there have always been boundaries, and with good reason.  So we'll see how it all shakes out.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.2  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.1    last year
the judge pointed to part of the law that "allows for a minor accompanied by his or her parents to attend any such exhibitions, regardless of the minor's age." Presnell compared a parent taking their child to a drag show to a parent taking their child to see an R-rated movie.

Seems to me the boundaries were always up to the parents, which this law is taking away.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.2    last year
Seems to me the boundaries were always up to the parents, which this law is taking away.

Nah.  We've had laws in America governing how people are allowed to raise kids since before the Constitution.

This one is a bit interesting because whatever ends up happening for drag shows is probably also going to happen for strip clubs.  

This is one of those insane ideas that should never have even been part of public debate.  How crazy are people when there is an argument about whether or not strip clubs and drag shows are appropriate places for children?

 

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.4  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.3    last year

If you are going to conflate a drag show to a strip club, this conversation is not even worth continuing.

So have at it on your own.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.4    last year
If you are going to conflate a drag show to a strip club, this conversation is not even worth continuing.

The law in question addresses "obscene live performances".  So if the law is unconstitutional, the ruling will apply to both.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.6  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.5    last year

Once again trying to tie two things together that have nothing to do with each other. Bad form.

Might as well compare an R rated movie to a strip club...

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.7  evilone  replied to  Ender @2.1.6    last year
Might as well compare an R rated movie to a strip club...

Well... women dressed in pants dancing and singing is okay, but men in dresses dancing and singing is "obscene"? It makes no fucking sense to me where they have any leg to stand on here. None... 

Anyplace where these anti-drag show laws stand will see a backlash from other entertainers refusing to put on shows that generate bring in tons of revenue.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.8  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.6    last year
Once again trying to tie two things together that have nothing to do with each other. Bad form.

Well, according to a FL Supreme Court ruling, they're both "indecent", so the law is treating them the same.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.9  evilone  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.8    last year
according to a FL Supreme Court ruling, they're both "indecent",

So no Taylor Swift concerts in FL?  We don't want to sexualize the children... Her shows are way worse than most daytime drag shows and far more children in attendence.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.10  Jack_TX  replied to  evilone @2.1.9    last year
So no Taylor Swift concerts in FL?  We don't want to sexualize the children... Her shows are way worse than most daytime drag shows and far more children in attendence.

Well, the original ruling back in the day was about "men impersonating women" in performances that were "nasty, suggestive and indecent."

So I think Taylor is in the clear.  I dunno.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.11  evilone  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.10    last year
Well, the original ruling back in the day was about "men impersonating women" in performances that were "nasty, suggestive and indecent."

Sounds like someone's trying to take away the parent's rights to say what is "nasty, suggestive and indecent" for their own children AND the performer's rights to free speech.

So I think Taylor is in the clear. 

Because she's not a guy? She's wearing less clothes in those concert shows and way more suggestive.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.12  Jack_TX  replied to  evilone @2.1.11    last year
Sounds like someone's trying to take away the parent's rights to say what is "nasty, suggestive and indecent" for their own children AND the performer's rights to free speech.

Again, that's not new.

And contrary to the current wave of liberal knicker twist over the subject, it's not bad, either.  The laws were originally written to prevent fathers from taking their kids places no kid should go.  That's still an issue.

Because she's not a guy? 

Probably because she's not enacting a clinically defined sexual fetish in front of kids.  And before you go ape shit, I'm not the one who defined it.

She's wearing less clothes in those concert shows and way more suggestive.

I'll defer to your experience on that.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.13  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.12    last year

What is this clinical study...

I will add also from what I gather, you have never been to a drag show. I have and there was nothing sexual at all.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.12    last year

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Tessylo
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2.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @2.1.4    last year

So odd about this fetish some have about harmless drag shows - there is no naked dancing going on - like Greg said also.

It's fucking nuts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.10    last year

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Sean Treacy
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2.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @2.1.13    last year
u have never been to a drag show. I have and there was nothing sexual at all.

Well, if you've been to one, that means none of them could possibly be, right? 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.18  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.15    last year
there is no naked dancing going on

Well son of a gun,  you're wrong AGAIN!!!!

Fully naked men riding bicycles danced and greeted crowds with multiple children present,

‘Don’t Assume Your Kids Are Straight’: What You Missed From Pride Month’s Last Weekend Of Celebrations | The Daily Caller

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.19  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.18    last year

There are naked bike rides across the US every year. Nothing new.

Also has nothing to do with drag shows.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.20  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.17    last year

Expand you horizons and check one out. Afraid?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.21  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.18    last year

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Ender
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2.1.22  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.21    last year

World naked bike rides go in every year in Austin, Portland, Milwaukee, Boston, etc...

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.23  evilone  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.12    last year
.The laws were originally written to prevent fathers from taking their kids places no kid should go.  That's still an issue.

The issue of the article is the FL law where the judge has now said -

...the law that "allows for a minor accompanied by his or her parents to attend any such exhibitions, regardless of the minor's age." Presnell compared a parent taking their child to a drag show to a parent taking their child to see an R-rated movie.

To compare all drag shows to "sexual fetish" shows is ignorance. Most of the anti-drag show laws have already failed under judicial scrutiny. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.24  Jack_TX  replied to  evilone @2.1.23    last year
To compare all drag shows to "sexual fetish" shows is ignorance

And pretending none of them are is positively moronic.

Laws are not written to protect people from best case scenarios.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.25  evilone  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.24    last year
And pretending none of them are is positively moronic.

No one here but you is saying that. What SOME people are saying is ALL drag shows are adult entertainment and that's a lie. 

Laws are not written to protect people from best case scenarios.

Laws are written for all kinds of reasons. Some make sense and some don't. It's why we have a judiciary as a check on stupid.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.18    last year

No, it's you who is wrong ALWAYS.

Defending the indefensible as always, [ Deleted. ]

The Daily Caller is a rag like the National Enquirer, real trustworthy jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.27  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.24    last year
And pretending none of them are is positively moronic.

Sort of like pretending that only good people buy AR15s for self defense?

Laws are not written to protect people from best case scenarios.

No, they are mostly politically seasonable nonsense until a reasonable court throws them out.

How many mass causalities have there been because a child saw burlesque or Vuadville?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.28  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.27    last year
Sort of like pretending that only good people buy AR15s for self defense?

Well if you can cite someone saying that we can move your fallacy from "straw man" to "whataboutism".

How many mass causalities have there been because a child saw burlesque or Vuadville?

About as many as there have been from kids spending alone time with Rudy Kos. 

I'm not sure that's a relevant litmus test.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.29  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.28    last year

Just read back. What was this Florida SC ruling. I would like to see it.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.30  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.29    last year
What was this Florida SC ruling. I would like to see it.

Oh it dates back to the 1940s. 

I don't remember the precise case, but it was about a place called the HaHa Club.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3  Tacos!    last year

Unless SCOTUS reverses Miller v California and its progeny, I don’t see any of these anti-drag laws holding up. And even then, that will be after they are thrown out for being either unconstitutionally vague or overbroad. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that these things are so poorly crafted, considering how little thought obviously went into them.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1  Kavika   replied to  Tacos! @3    last year

Poorly crafted is an understatement, this is part of the Judges decision where he points out that this new DeSantis law contradicts a current Florida law: 

Presnell said the "Protection of Children Act" likely contradicts Florida Statute 847.013, which controls minors' exposure to "harmful motion pictures, exhibitions, shows, presentations, or representations." Specifically, the judge pointed to part of the law that "allows for a minor accompanied by his or her parents to attend any such exhibitions, regardless of the minor's age." Presnell compared a parent taking their child to a drag show to a parent taking their child to see an R-rated movie.
 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Tacos! @3    last year

“…these things are so poorly crafted…”

Intentionally.

They aren’t meant to pass the legal hurdles. They are meant to solidify the populist base, and when they inevitably fail to meet legal muster, it becomes just another log to throw on the conspiratorial bonfire. 

Insidious in its simplicity and frightening in its frequency and potential ramifications. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @3    last year

Texas anti sexual whatever law was so vague that legitimate entertainment was worried,

until Gregg Abbot proudly tweeted that he just signed the anti drag law.  jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

CMTSU

Now it will most certainly be struck down, post haste.

 
 

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