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This Is the Case

  

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Via:  hallux  •  last year  •  45 comments

By:   Tom Nichols - The Atlantic

This Is the Case
Special Counsel Jack Smith has sounded the call, but voters must answer it if they wish to preserve American democracy.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


Donald Trump stands indicted for attempting to thwart the peaceful transfer of power and subvert the rights of American citizens. This is the moment that will decide our future as a democracy.

This Is the Case

Over the past year, state and federal prosecutors have alleged that Donald Trump went on something like a crime spree as a presidential candidate, as the sitting president, and then as a private citizen after his defeat. The charges, from Manhattan to Mar-a-Lago, include business fraud, the illegal retention of classified material, and the destruction of evidence.

All of these accusations, however, pale in importance next to the indictment handed down today.

Trump is   accused   of multiple conspiracies against the United States, all designed to keep him in power against the will of the voters and in violation of the Constitution. The former president—once our chief executive, the commander in chief, the leader we entrusted with the keys to nuclear hell—is accused of knowing that he lost a free and fair election, and, rather than transferring power to a duly elected successor, engaging in criminal plots against our democracy, all while firing up a mob that would later storm the Capitol. (The Trump campaign issued a rambling statement that   called   the charges “fake.”)

Long before now, however, Americans should have reached the conclusion, with or without a trial, that Trump is a menace to the United States and poisonous to our society. (Senator J. D. Vance of Ohio once referred to Trump as “cultural heroin,” but that was before he decided to  seek power  in the Republican Party.) The GOP base, controlled by Trump’s cult of personality, will likely never admit its mistake: As my colleague Peter Wehner  writes , Trump’s record of “lawlessness and depravity” means nothing to Republicans. But other Republicans now, more than ever, face a moment of truth. They must decide if they are partisans or patriots. They can no longer claim to be both.

The rest of us, as a nation but also as individuals, can no longer indulge the pretense that Trump is just another Republican candidate, that supporting Donald Trump is just another political choice, and that agreeing with Trump’s attacks on our democracy is just a difference of opinion. (Those of us who share our views in the media have a particular duty to cease discussing Trump as if he were a normal candidate—or even a normal person—especially after today’s indictment.) I have long described Trump’s candidacies as moral choices and tests of civic character, but I   have also cautioned   that Americans, for the sake of social comity, should resist too many arguments about politics among themselves. I can no longer defend this advice.

The indictment handed down today challenges every American to put a shoulder to the wheel and defend our republic in every peaceful, legal, and civilized way they can. According to the charges, not only did Trump try to overturn the election; he presided over a clutch of co-conspirators who intended to put down any further challenges to Trump’s continued rule by force. According to the indictment:



The Deputy White House Counsel reiterated to Co-Conspirator 4 that there had not been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that if the Defendant [Trump] remained in office nonetheless, there would be “riots in every major city in the United States.” Co-Conspirator 4 responded, “Well, [Deputy White House Counsel], that’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.”


The Insurrection Act allows the president to deploy the U.S. armed forces against American citizens. The alleged plot inside the White House was not merely to invalidate an election; it included the possibility of unleashing the American military against its own people.

This is why we can no longer merely roll our eyes when an annoying uncle rhapsodizes about stolen elections. We should not gently ask our parents if perhaps we might change the channel from Fox during dinner. We are not obligated to gingerly change the subject when an old friend goes on about “Demonrats” or the dire national-security implications around Hunter Biden’s genitalia. Enough of all this; we can love our friends and our family and our neighbors  without accepting their terms of debate . To support Trump is to support sedition and violence, and we must be willing to speak this truth not only to power but to our fellow citizens.

Trump and his media enablers, of course, will fume that any criticism of choices made by millions of voters is uncivil and condescending—even as they paint other American citizens as traitors who support pedophiles and perverts. Trump has made such accusations, and the implied threat of violence behind them, part of the everyday American political environment. This brutish bullying is aimed at stopping the rest of us from speaking our mind. But after today, every American citizen who cares about the Constitution should affirm, without hesitation, that any form of association with Trump is reprehensible, that each of us will draw moral conclusions about anyone who continues to support him, and that these conclusions will guide both our political and our personal choices.

This is painful advice to give and to follow. No one, including me, wants to lose friends or chill valued relationships over so small a man as Trump. But our democracy is about to go into legal and electoral battle for its own survival. If we don’t speak up—to one another, as well as to the media and to our elected officials—and Trump defeats us all by regaining power and making a mockery of American democracy, then we’ll all have lost a lot more than a few friendships. We face in Trump a dedicated enemy of our Constitution, and if he returns to office, his next “administration” will be a gang of felons, goons, and resentful mediocrities, all of whom will gladly serve Trump’s sociopathic needs while greedily dividing the spoils of power.

In the 1982 film   The Verdict , Paul Newman plays Frank Galvin, an ambulance-chasing attorney with an alcohol addiction who takes   on what he thinks will be a routine malpractice suit and soon finds himself fighting for justice against powerful institutions determined to stop him. On the eve of the trial, all seems lost. His mentor and former partner tries to comfort him. “There’ll be other cases,” his friend says. Galvin knows better. “There are no other cases,” he says quietly, with his eyes closed. “This is the case.” He repeats this truth, whispering to himself, over and over: “There are no other cases. This is the case.”

Jack Smith has indicted Donald Trump for trying to overthrow our system of government. There are no other cases. This is the case.


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    last year

Find a National Park and take a walk in it before y'all go Ab Batty.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    last year

I wish the other side would take his advice, but rather than that I think the war will go on. We just have to make sure we win. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

Nichols is a 'RINO', the "other side" would sooner impale him.

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    last year

All the other a Trump indictments are just sideshows. This is the real deal. This will be the American version of The Nuremberg Trials...

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  JBB @3    last year
The Nuremberg Trials...

Already watched it, this if televised will be ... um ... livelier.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.1  JBB  replied to  Hallux @3.1    last year

Where is Clarence Darrow when we need him? Enter Jack Smith!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    last year

Didn’t Clarence say something like:

I can see sin in all the world. And I may well hate that sin, but never the sinner."

Obviously you don’t agree with that so why did you think that we need him now?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.3  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.2    last year

original

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3.1.3    last year

What does that have to do with Clarence Darrow?  Do you know anything about him?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.5  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.4    last year

Darrow made mincemeat of conservative William Jennings Bryan...

original

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4  Gsquared    last year

This is an excellent article and makes the case clearly.

We face in Trump a dedicated enemy of our Constitition, and if he returns to office, his next "administration" will be a gang of felons, goons, and resentful mediocrities, all of whom will gladly serve Trump's sociopathic needs while greedily dividing the spoils of power.

No amount of phony Trumpist propaganda can overcome that truth. 

The time is rapidly drawing near when the American people must decide upon our path to the future.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Gsquared @4    last year

Path to the future?

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Sean Treacy
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5  Sean Treacy    last year

The classified documents case is the solid one.

under this novel theory, trump would be guilty of a crime even if he had iron clad proof the election was stolen.  Simply  asking pence to use powers under the election statute is apparently a crime.,

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    last year

Sean the day of reckoning is arriving for people like you.  There absolutely is a legal basis for this indictment. Conspiracies such as alleged in the indictment are absolutely illegal. 

Go the Just Security web site. They have enough commentary on this situation to occupy one for days .

Here, we conclude there likely is sufficient evidence to obtain and sustain a conviction of Trump for his three-step plan to overturn the election:
  1. Trump knew he lost the election but did not want to give up power, so he worked with his lawyers and others on a wide variety of schemes to change the outcome. Those schemes included creating fraudulent electoral certificates that were submitted to Congress, implicating statutes such as 18 U.S.C. § 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States in the administration of elections.
  2. When all the other schemes failed, Trump and his lawyers ultimately concentrated on using the false electoral slates to obstruct the constitutionally mandated congressional certification of the election on January 6, implicating statutes such as 18 U.S.C. § 1512, which prohibits obstruction of an official proceeding. Their primary objective was to have Vice President Mike Pence in his presiding role on that day either block Congress from recognizing Joe Biden’s win at all or at least to delay the electoral count.
  3. When Pence refused, Trump went to his last resort: triggering an insurrection in the hope that it would throw Congress off course, delaying the transfer of power for the first time in American history. This implicated statutes such as 18 U.S.C. § 2383, which prohibits inciting an insurrection and giving aid or comfort to insurrectionists. (Section 2383 is rarely charged, and as we discuss below, this is a charge DOJ will use only with extreme caution. We believe there is sufficient evidence to pursue it—as did the Select Committee in making a criminal referral of Trump under that statute—but prosecutors may make different choices. Much will depend on the evidence the Special Counsel develops.)
Our own conclusions based upon the publicly available information are bolstered by the analysis of many other authorities:
  • A federal judge has already found by a preponderance of the evidence that Trump and a co-conspirator (John Eastman) likely violated 18 U.S.C. § 371 and 18 U.S.C. § 1512.
 
 
 
evilone
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5.2  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    last year
trump would be guilty of a crime even if he had iron clad proof the election was stolen.

If Trump had iron clad proof the election was stolen it would have been adjudicated in a court of law long before it came down to asking Pence to toss the electors. No one showed anything close to evidence. The new charges against Trump are predicated on him KNOWING he lost the election and Smith will have to prove it in court. 

It's been talked about online, and we'll see if it's true, but Trump's new lawyers here have been working on a defense saying Trump was acting on advice from his old lawyers and it's their fault. I'm hoping we hear testimony directly from Giuliani, Powell and Eastman at trial. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @5.2    last year
Trump was acting on advice from his old lawyers and it's their fault.

Does he ever take responsibility for anything?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @5.2    last year
"The new charges against Trump are predicated on him KNOWING he lost the election and Smith will have to prove it in court." 

To this day Trump has apparently truly believed he won the election and all his subsequent actions have evolved from that. I think Trump is wrong, but Smith is going to have a rough time proving intent and conspiracy.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.3  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @5.2.2    last year
To this day Trump has apparently truly believed he won the election...

You should petition his lawyers for the defense since you seem to know more than the Prosecutor.

...Smith is going to have a rough time proving intent and conspiracy.

It's a high bar, but I suspect he has several witnesses to put on the stand and testify to actual conversations they had with Trump. People like Sr WH Council and Sr DoJ personnel who told Trump many times he lost. I'm sure there will also be evidence presented of all the court cases tossed out from lack of evidence of election tampering. Memos and/or maybe testimony from the AG himself. If after all that and Trump still thinks he won the election he should be court ordered to take a competency test.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6  Trout Giggles    last year

If our fellow cons/republicans wish to live in a banana republic, then do vote for trmp

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7  Hal A. Lujah    last year

I did the unthinkable and decided I should take a peek at Hannity last night just to contrast how this news is playing out on the other side.  It was 100% whataboutism and as many mentions of Hunter and crack as he could squeeze in.  I have no faith that the Fox audience can ever be swayed with the truth about Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7    last year

You have to be a brain dead moron to think the Trump crimes and Hunter crimes are on the same level of importance. Meet the morons

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Greg Jones
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7.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    last year

The trouble is, is that Hunter and Joe are partners in crime, and that Joe is the current president with awesome powers. 

The people deserve to know if their president is a crook and if he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, or not.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
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7.1.2  JumpDrive  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.1    last year
Hunter and Joe are partners in crime...

Nope. There is only evidence that Hunter lied on a 4473 form. Unless the gun is used in a felony it is rare for there to be even a prosecution (looks like about 1 in 2,000).

If you're saying it's a crime for kids to capitalize on their parents' situation, then a majority of the well-off are crime families; and a lot of the rest would be as well. Joe Biden can talk to anyone he wants. What he can't do is take a bride to push legislation. There's ZERO evidence that he even discussed business with Hunter's clients, let alone that he took bribe(s) to push anything benefiting Hunter's clients.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JumpDrive @7.1.2    last year
There is only evidence that Hunter lied on a 4473 form. Unless the gun is used in a felony it is rare for there to be even a prosecution (looks like about 1 in 2,000).

Exactly, silly Feds asking addicts of a controlled substance to sustain from owning a firearm.  If that was important, they would prosecute - right?

 
 
 
JumpDrive
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7.1.4  JumpDrive  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.3    last year
Exactly, silly Feds asking addicts of a controlled substance to sustain from owning a firearm.

You're likely being sarcastic, but it does seem like a silly question. The other questions ask about things for which there are records. It's like asking if the person is an alcoholic (interestingly, they don't ask). You would need corroborating witnesses at the time of the signing. It's not like there's a graph available in the person's phone's Health app that logs when they are high or hammered. Then there's the fact the Substance Use Disorder (drug addiction/alcoholism) is chronic, so when are you 'cured'?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JumpDrive @7.1.4    last year

The truth is, most illegal gun possession, even when the weapon is confiscated, never get prosecuted.  One might rightly ask, why have these gun possession laws if there is little intent to enforce them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.5    last year

because it fools some into thinking they accomplished something effective.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
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7.1.7  JumpDrive  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.5    last year
most illegal gun possession, even when the weapon is confiscated, never get prosecuted

If illegal possession is discovered because a felony is/was committed, it is prosecuted. I'm lenient with gun ownership otherwise, however, I think the lax acquisition laws that result in so many guns ending up in the hands of criminals needs fixing countrywide.

why have these gun possession laws if there is little intent to enforce them.

Agreed. I support what they are trying to do with the 4473 question, but what they're actually doing is silly. It's like being stopped by a cop when you are about to leave a state and being asked "Did you speed in my state?" Silly. Require a drug test (and alcohol if that's possible) with a 4473 in the first place.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JumpDrive @7.1.7    last year
If illegal possession is discovered because a felony is/was committed, it is prosecuted.

Do you have stats?

I'm lenient with gun ownership otherwise, however,

So is it just away to pile up charges on poor people of color?

I think the lax acquisition laws that result in so many guns ending up in the hands of criminals needs fixing countrywide.

Do you want a ear on guns like are war on drugs?

 
 
 
JumpDrive
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7.1.9  JumpDrive  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.8    last year
Do you have stats?

Nope. I just noticed that when I read about criminals being apprehended, it will say charged with possession of a gun or gun was legally owned. I am assuming LEOs are doing their jobs.

I'm lenient with gun ownership otherwise, however, So is it just away to pile up charges on poor people of color?

Your response seems like a non-sequitur. By lenient I mean that a law abiding citizen in possession of a gun is OK. I have guns that I had since I was a kid or inherited, I've not done anything to register them and I see no reason to change that.

Do you want a [w]ar on guns like are war on drugs?

Where have I even hinted at such a thing? NJ has tougher acquisition laws than most states. 80% of the guns recovered from crime scenes in NJ come from out-of-state, in neighboring PA, that ratio is more than reversed. These tougher laws don't prevent me from getting any gun I want. It's just a little more effort which pays off with greatly reduced straw purchases. We have the ability to stop a lot of new weapons from ending up in the hands of criminals, we stupidly choose not to do that.

Side note, the little extra effort involved in acquiring a gun seems to substantially lower the successful suicide rate. NJ & CA have tougher acquisition laws and lowest rates. About 7 years ago, guys discovered they could rent a gun at a range and we had 3 suicides at ranges local to me in less than a year. They would rent a pistol, use the free lesson to learn how to use it, and then blow their brains out. The ranges stopped this by refusing to rent a gun to single guys 18-25 who did not have a Firearms ID. It really doesn't take much to make a difference; imagine what unleashing American Ingenuity on this problem could do.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7    last year

I thought Hunter was a coke addict?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2    last year

He's that, and more.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7    last year

I gave him about 30 seconds of my time.  Laughed at his lying face and changed the channel.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8  Bob Nelson    last year

For the umpteenth time:

America's fascists have demonstrated over and over that they will never deviate from their objective of replacing democracy with dictatorship. No law, no proof, no argument will ever touch them.

The only way to preserve democracy is to win elections - to crush the fascists at the polls - again and again until they all die of old age.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @8    last year

I agree. There is no "compromise" to be made with MAGA. They have to be defeated. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8    last year
America's fascists have demonstrated over and over that they will never deviate from their objective of replacing democracy with dictatorship.

Why do you even bother to listen to a very small group of idiots?

Their chances of success is zero.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2    last year

Not so small. Tens of millions. Lots of them here on NT.

Right?  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.2.1    last year
Not so small. Tens of millions. Lots of them here on NT

You have an extremely wild imagination.

Right?

Of course not, don't be silly.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.2.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.2    last year

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Texan1211
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8.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.2.3    last year

I will give you credit for that post--it is far better than the junk about 'fascists'!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.2.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.4    last year

Do you feel a need for instruction on fascism? That's surprising. I'd supposed that you have very intimate knowledge of them.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.2.5    last year

Your instruction? You have shown with your overuse that your knowledge on the subject is next to zilch.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.2.5    last year
Do you feel a need for instruction on fascism?

Perhaps a need to instruct others on proper word usage.

I'd supposed that you have very intimate knowledge of them.

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

― Ronald Reagan

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.7    last year

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Texan1211
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8.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.2.8    last year

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