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Trying to gag the ungagable.

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  4 months ago  •  25 comments

Trying to gag the ungagable.
"This is not about whether I like the language Mr. Trump uses. This is about language that presents a danger to the administration of justice," the judge said.

Link to Quote: Federal judge imposes limited gag order on Trump in 2020 election interference case (msn.com)


For the first time in memory the speech of a former President campaigning in an election has been banned by an activist radical Democratic judge who has already displayed open hostility to the former President. Now it appears that the trials that have obviously been set up to hurt the former President politically cannot be called out for what they are. The excuse is that calling out injustice may lead to violence.

Where was this judge during the 2020 riots?



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Judge Tanya S. Chutkan

Judge Chutkan is part of the Obama legacy of activist judges.  

"President Trump will continue to fight for our Constitution, the American people's right to support him, and to keep our country free of the chains of weaponized and targeted law enforcement," the spokesperson said. 

During the at-times contentious court hearing on Monday where allegations of threats and political censorship abounded, attorneys and Chutkan herself grappled with the potential consequences of either taking action to limit Trump's public statements or keeping the current conditions of his pretrial release in place. 

Prosecutors asked Chutkan last month to impose what they described as a "narrowly tailored" order to prevent the former president from making "extrajudicial statements that present a serious and substantial danger of materially prejudicing this case." Citing numerous tweets and other public statements, the special counsel argued that Trump has an "established practice" of targeting those who challenge him, which they said could damage the fair trial process. 



Trump, they alleged Monday, was trying the case in the court of public opinion. 

His attorneys opposed the request, claiming any court order would restrict his right to free speech and hinder his ability to campaign because the criminal prosecution and the issues it raises are intertwined with the political campaign. The move, the defense contended, was an attempt to silence the former president and Trump himself characterized the proposition as politically motivated. 

Federal judge imposes limited gag order on Trump in 2020 election interference case (msn.com)


Thus far, the former President shows no inclination to being "gagged."  When last heard from Donald Trump issued the following statement:

"WILL APPEAL THE GAG ORDER RULING. WITCH HUNT!" Trump said.

Trump Issues Eight-Word Promise After Gag Order (msn.com)

 


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Monday’s order does not, however, impose restrictions on disparaging comments about Washington, DC – where the trial will take place – or certain comments about the Justice Department at large, both of which the government requested. Chutkan also specified that Trump “can certainly state that he is being unfairly prosecuted.”

While restricting some of the former president’s speech, Chutkan agreed with Trump’s defense attorneys that it is within the former president’s rights to criticize Joe Biden and his administration.

In the protective order proposed by prosecutors, Trump would be barred from making comments about the Justice Department as a whole under Biden, including Trump’s continued assertion that the Justice Department was prosecuting him on Biden’s orders. Prosecutors did not, however, oppose Trump’s ability to criticize Biden as president.

“He can criticize President Biden to his heart’s content, your honor, because President Biden has nothing to do with this case,” prosecutor Molly Gaston said in court, adding that the Justice Department takes no issue with Trump calling Biden “crooked.”

Takeaways from the testy hearing over the Trump gag order and what it means (msn.com)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 months ago
Prosecutors asked Chutkan last month to impose what they described as a "narrowly tailored" order to prevent the former president from making "extrajudicial statements that present a serious and substantial danger of materially prejudicing this case." 

Sounds like they are saying that if they want something released, they'll leak it themselves.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    4 months ago

As usual.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    4 months ago

What is your proof that Chutkan is a "radical activist judge" ? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago
What is your proof that Chutkan is a "radical activist judge" ? 

Example one:

U .S. District  Judge Tanya Chutkan  appeared to mock Trump attorney John Lauro on Monday during a hearing on whether she should impose a gag order on former  President Donald Trump .

As  described by Politico's Josh Gerstein , Lauro tried to argue that no new restrictions on Trump's ability to publicly discuss the criminal charges being leveled against him were needed on the grounds that the ones already put in place are "working."

According to Gerstein, Chutkin "literally [laughed] in his face" in response and said, "I have to take issue with you, Mr. Lauro."

Judge Chutkan 'literally laughs' in Trump lawyer's face during gag order hearing (msn.com)


Examples 2, 3, 4 and 5 :

In 2017, she ordered the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) to ensure that a girl in its care got an abortion.  Eventually, she ordered the government to make sure that all girls in ORR custody get to have abortions.

Chutkan also ruled against Betsy DeVos because Chutkan felt that DeVos wasn't doing enough to identify racial disparities in children identified for special ed, restrictive classrooms, and discipline.  One of the things we know is that ending discipline based on race has been  a disaster  for schools.

Another Chutkan initiative was to try to block the federal death penalty by claiming that the federal government, by changing its lethal injection protocol, was violating the Federal Death Penalty Act.  That decision is now pending before the United States Supreme Court.

7_238_9.gif But it's Chutkan's latest acts of leftism from the bench that are truly disgusting because they punish political opponents.  She is imposing harsher sentences on people swept up in the January 6 dragnet than even Merrick Garland's prosecutors are seeking.  Leftists storming the Senate chamber during Brett Kavanaugh's hearings were exercising their First Amendment rights and avoided serious consequences.  Walking through the Capitol if you're a conservative is a dire crime that must be punished severely.

America's leftist judges are out of control - American Thinker

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    4 months ago

None of those examples represent "radical activism". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    4 months ago

Why? Because two dozen innocent people weren't killed?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    4 months ago
As  described by Politico's Josh Gerstein , Lauro tried to argue that no new restrictions on Trump's ability to publicly discuss the criminal charges being leveled against him were needed on the grounds that the ones already put in place are "working." According to Gerstein, Chutkin "literally [laughed] in his face" in response and said, "I have to take issue with you, Mr. Lauro."

The first "gag orders" didnt even slow Trump down, let alone stop him. He has repeatedly described the prosecutors and judges in defamatory terms. If he wasnt an ex president with a large political following he would have had bail revoked already. 

How is attacking the professionalism and patriotism of the prosecutors and judges in his court cases a matter of "campaigning" for president? Is he basing his campaign on his delusional belief that he is a martyr. None of the judges or prosecutors are politicians or political opponents of Trumps. 

Why is it that he never criticizes the judge in the documents case in Florida?  Evidently he thinks she "likes him". Thats how he assesses the world, those that like him are good and those that dont like him are bad. Of course it is not the job of judges to like or dislike anyone in their courtroom. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    4 months ago
  Walking through the Capitol if you're a conservative is a dire crime that must be punished severely.

This sentence alone makes your source bat shit crazy. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    4 months ago

American Thinker – Bias and Credibility

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JohnRussell
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3.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    4 months ago

American Thinker is banned for use as a seed source on Newstalkers , although I guess using it as a source for a comment is allowed. 

Still, it shows what sewage you are using to find arguments. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    4 months ago
How is attacking the professionalism and patriotism of the prosecutors and judges in his court cases a matter of "campaigning" for president?

It is obvious to decent people. He is being indicted in democratic strongholds during an election. This could have been done 2 years ago. 


Is he basing his campaign on his delusional belief that he is a martyr.

Yes he is.


Why is it that he never criticizes the judge in the documents case in Florida?

You mean the only judge who is not a leftist Trump hater?  She isn't going to be presiding over a trial.

Any other questions?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    4 months ago

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All the points made were TRUE and VALID.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    4 months ago

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JohnRussell
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3.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.8    4 months ago

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3.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.9    4 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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3.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    4 months ago
"we have to use something"

We have to only use our own ability to find the truth. The facts presented are true and can also be found on Wikipedia.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  author  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 months ago

Raw Story – Bias and Credibility

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