A Deal with the Devil
Link to Quote: Israel-Hamas truce begins as hostages are set to be freed (nypost.com)
A temporary 4 day pause in the fighting between Hamas and Israel begins today. Supposedly, both sides will exchange women and children. Hamas will give up the innocent hostages it took during their savage attack on Israel on October 7th and Israel will release Hamas criminals/fighters being held in Israeli jails. Fifty hostages for 150 prisoners. There is a delivery of supplies to the Palestinians who don't seem to know how to flee a war zone.
The "deal" was reached after weeks of "negotiations" that were driven primarily by Joe Biden and his pro-Palestinian State Department. The untrustworthy nations of Qatar and Egypt served as moderators. This was always the position that Hamas always wanted to be in when it took the hostages. Joe Biden reacted exactly as Hamas wanted by pressuring Israel for this pause for a hostage release. It gives Hamas time to take a breather and regroup. Hamas holds a lot of hostages, which means this process will most likely be repeated. The Prime Minister of Israel is a decent man. He wants to get the hostages home. At this time no exchange has taken place yet. Doing business with the savages is never straightforward.
And then there was this:
"Hundreds of migrants have reportedly been sexually assaulted while trekking through the deadly Darien Gap jungle in Panama on their way to the United States’ southern border — including a number of children abused in so-called “rape tents.”
Doctors Without Borders — a nonprofit also known as Médecins Sans Frontières — said in a new report that its members had treated nearly 400 victims of sexual assault in the Darien Gap in 2023 alone, according to Border Report .
Much of the danger springs from groups of armed brigands who roam the wilderness, kidnapping, robbing and raping those who are attempting to pass through, the report said."
Children sexually abused in 'rape tents' while crossing deadly Darien Gap: report (nypost.com)
Of course, the important thing for the Biden administration is getting them into the country.
Biden was on the minds of many Americans as they went shopping for their Thanksgiving food. He delivered a speech on "stopping the rancor" in which he tells people how to ratchet up the animosity on Thanksgiving Day. I just read it today. It is frightening to think that he could be reelected.
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I may be in the majority when I say that the best Thanksgiving meal is the leftover sandwiches the day after.
I still like Turkey meat with plenty of Mayo & Pepper on fresh Scali bread.
So Israel gets the hostages returned and Hamas gets their fighters back to do it all over again.
No, Israel is releasing women and children held in Israeli prisons. Currently, there are around 8,300 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons. Some 3,000 are administrative detention which means they are held without charges sometimes for days, weeks, months, and years.
Bet they are in better shape than the hostages the animals took.
You don't really understand how the law of warfare works. i think you are confusing civil law with military law. There are stark differences, especially when it comes to those picked up as possible combatants.
That is one huge problem.
They want to hold Israel to higher standards than the terrorists. They want Israel to do all the things Hamas and Palestinians won't do.
Of course, they always fall back that Hamas isn't a real army and rules of war don't apply to them.
They seem to forget the people of Palestine voted to put Hamas in power in 2006. During that time they stood up their own forces. So that argument is as void as much of their other arguments on, well, everything.
They are also crying about a "humanitarian crisis" and that other Arab countries won't take refugees despite a history of these "refugees" causing problems and their host countries expelling them.
In a nutshell, they brought this all on themselves.
I understand it quite well, Jeremy and I'm confusing nothing those are the facts. You should research what ''administrative detention'' is and how it is applied under international law.
Since 10/7 the vast majority of Palestinians arrested are from the West Bank, not Gaza
So your comment is really about nothing. After dealing with prisoners from a battlefield, I've never heard of this so called "administrative detention". That being said, I await your link from the Hague or Geneva convention.
Then take a moment and learn about it rather than dismiss it as bullshit simply because you "have never heard" of it:
If that is your view then you have and are missing the point.
Don't make the mistake that you are the only person on NT that has battlefield experience and has dealt with prisoners.
From your 1st link:
On the issuance of "Administrative Detention Orders"
By this all Israel has to do is tell them why they are detained and charge them accordingly. That meets the requirements of International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. And that's if it is even reviewed. In the last 20 years there has only been 1 review according to the link.
In a nut shell, and it this will make certain people cry, but, Israel can tell them that they see the prisoner as an enemy combatant and charge them accordingly.
Looks like you actually did try to do some research. Good for you.
And what if there are no legitimate charges that would qualify an individual as an enemy combatant? If Israel were to use the lack of oversight to invent false charges, would you be in favor of that? If not, then why would you object to Israel being honest?
You continue to not address what Kavika wrote:
Everyone expects Israel to act in a certain way but give the terrorists a free pass.
Let's be honest, some people think that if someone is Palestinian they are probably a terrorist. Therefore it is ok to lock them up without charges.
We all beat around the bush too much.
As the links states, that's for the commander to decide. Neither you or I are in any position in that chain so let those on the ground handle it as they see fit IAW laws.
And?
As evident here.
Let me pick up from the CNN article where Kavika left off:
"Around 8,300 Palestinian prisoners are currently held in Israeli jails, said Qadura Fares, head of the Palestinian Commission for Detainees and Ex-Prisoners’ Affairs.
More than 3,000 of them are being held in what Israel calls “administrative detention,” Fares told CNN, adding that this means they are being held without knowing the charges against them, and without an ongoing legal process.
Most of the prisoners are men, Fares said, adding that there are also about 85 women and 350 children in detention.
Israel has stepped up its arrests since Hamas’ attacks on October 7. Up to 2,070 arrests were documented in the occupied West Bank and Jerusalem in that month alone, according to the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society, a non-governmental organization dedicated to addressing the concerns of Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons. That figure includes 145 children and 55 women."
Who are the Palestinian prisoners on Israel’s list for potential release? (msn.com)
Israel is a democracy and Hamas is a terror group. Let us stop putting them on an equal plane.
Who is equating Israel with Hamas?
Who is arguing to give terrorists a free pass?
You and Kavika.
Amazing that you have the gall to write that.
Show me where I equate Hamas and Israel.
Another bald-faced lie, Vic. Please quote me where I said anything like that...
This is from my comment #7. Israel has every right to defend itself and attacking Hamas is within those rights.
Of course that is true, please show me where I said anything different. You can't of course so stop with the BS references.
True. The Hamas women were all convicted of terrorism in Israeli courts of law, and their so-called "children" are 17/18-year-old-men.
Somehow those NOT actually involved think that women and children can't be terrorists. Must be nice to live in that kind of fansasy.
They apparently don't know anything about the antisemitism and anti-American propaganda that UN (UNRA) funded schools in Muslim nations teach.
Oh and don't call them on it.
Delusional deniers, especially those who deliberately choose to remain ignorantly narrow-minded, aren't worth my time or effort.
I was dealing with one of those below. Just can't seem to grasp things even when it is given to them.
Good thing for the hostage families that you are 6 or 7000 miles from what is going on.
What in the seed do you dispute exactly?
Or just a personal attack?
What do you think?
I think it necessary to be very discrete right now.........lol.
13 hostages released.
How many more times will this be repeated until Israel recovers all its people?
How long will the terrorists honor the ceasefire THIS time?
Just like every other "cease fire", it will last just long enough for Hamas to regroup and rearm. Then the cycle of stupidity will continue - Hamas attacks Israel, the idiots cry and demand a cease fire because Hamas is getting their asses handed to them, the cease fire occurs, Hamas regroups and rearms, Hamas attacks Israel, the idiots cry and demand a cease fire because Hamas is getting their asses handed to them, the cease fire occurs, Hamas regroups and rearms...
Hamas cannot defeat Israel. Do you understand that?
The outcome of this war is predetermined. Something like 2/3 of the northern part of Gaza has been destroyed. The population has been driven out. There is a humanitarian crisis for the civilian population. Israel could cease fire for two months and it wouldnt change anything. If they could get the hostages back in that time period it would be well worth it.
The political right in America, and Israel, is just "kill, kill, kill".
Yes, in theory that is true.
But when we have Palestinian cheerleaders calling for Israel to end all hostilities while ignoring Hamas, all things are possible.
So the Palestinians engaged in suicide missions like real terrorists, eh?
People want to molly-coddle Palestinians as though they have nothing to do with anything. I hold them at least partly responsible because they eat, sleep, work, play and pray with terrorists.
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This is fundamentally the same argument that Al Qaeda used to 'justify' 9-11.
I have to call bullshit on that.
Call it whatever you wish to, the fact remains that terrorism makes no distinctions between the general population and armed forces of its 'enemy' and many commenting on this seed are tumbling into the same thought trap. As Nietzsche put it: "When you stare too long into the Abyss, the Abyss stares back at you."
Time is on Hamas side. They committed an atrocity John and if they survive, they will do it again and again. They are a small part of Iran's ring of fire.
If they could get the hostages back in that time period it would be well worth it.
Beyond hostages taken to buy time for Hamas, there are 9 million Israelis who are facing extermination.
The political right in America, and Israel, is just "kill, kill, kill".
So, you wouldn't have fought against the Nazis.
From who? Israel's independence and survival is guaranteed by the United States of America.
The idea that Hamas , or Iran, could exterminate Israel is ridiculous.
It is????? LMAO! Biden is going to war with Iran over Israel???? He won't even defend American interests, never mind take on his beloved Iran.
The idea that Hamas , or Iran, could exterminate Israel is ridiculous.
As soon as Iran has a nuclear weapon it will be fired at Israel.
You voice extremist far right positions. Hopefully they can be kept at bay, but who knows ?
they already have one, courtesy of dick cheney and halliburton. look it up yourself...
From where you are sitting Bill Clinton must seem "right wing."
Hamas also makes little distinction between the Gaza population and the IDF.
Anything is possible but the probable reaction by Israel would be to unleash her 90+ plutonium nukes at Iran. The Iranian leadership might well be crazy, but that crazy? You really need to stop buying into all the fear being sold to you.
Shockingly enough, I found NOTHING saying Iran has a nuclear bomb.
The Palestinian cheerleaders never seem to want to acknowledge that Hamas exists because Palestinians exist.
It’s fucking sickening 🤮
Indeed.
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The pause really means nothing. Biden has legitimized Hamas and thrown Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority under the bus. Biden clearly wants Iranian (or Turkish) influence extended into the West Bank.
The Palestinians are divided between Iranian and Arab influences. There cannot be a two state solution as long as Palestinians remain divided. At present Israel is fighting Iran's proxies. For some reason Biden is attempting to legitimize Iranian influence with Palestinians. Biden is actually destabilizing the region by legitimizing Hamas.
I think that is all true, but what I find ironic is that the younger voters in the democrat party think Biden has gone too far in supporting Israel.
Someone needs to ask the Hamas humpers why Thai hostages were taken. That's the first group being released.
Democrats whose identity is defined by their sexual activity really shouldn't be taken seriously. They're just searching for the next fucking opportunity.
War fog.
Palestinian terrorists initiated an attack on civilians, the elderly, and children at the time and place of their choosing and they were somehow distracted?
There wasn't any war fog. The Palestinians were motivated by blood lust.
I have no idea and nor do you. What I do know of the Thais is that they were laborers on a kibbutz within Israel and in the helter-skelter of the moment it is highly unlikely that a kiosk to check papers papers would have been set up.
Any thinking that forces involved in an armed conflict will act rationally is irrational. Fog Nerm, it's all fog.
They were Palestinian terrorists attacking civilians. Not exactly an armed conflict. And, somehow, the Palestinian terrorists avoided killing the Thai workers. So now the Thai government can piss and moan about Israel putting the hostages at risk.
There wouldn't be hostages without the Palestinian terror attack. Yet Israel is accused of violating international rules of war. Poor, poor, Palestinians are too fucking stupid to understand law.
Not by me, however, that some are is born of the fog of war and your blaming of Biden for all that falls in your path is born of the fog of unknowing that you wilfully march into. It is sad to watch.
It's quite deplorable actually.
Read my first comment again. I'm blaming Biden for negotiating with terrorists. Don't gloss over the fact that Biden has used the influence of the United States in global affairs to legitimize (and normalize) terrorist activities. Iranian (and Turkish) influence has forced Biden to accept Palestinian terrorism as legitimate diplomacy.
The idea of Israel eradicating Hamas is foolish at best. Hamas is not an Army it is an ideology and you can't destroy an ideology. Cut off one tentacle and it grows another. Is the Taliban or ISIS or dozens of other terrorist groups destroyed or eradicated? Hell no.
Israel has every right to defend itself and attacking Hamas is within those rights. But, they will not destroy Hamas just like they will not destroy Hezbollah or other terrorist groups. Therein lies the problem, Israel thinks they have destroyed and leaves Gaza and within a few years or sooner everything is back to October 2023. This has been going on for centuries and it isn't going to change unless both sides find a solution and that solution has to be land, IMO that is what the wars are about, Religion is a sidebar
The US should have learned by now you can not occupy a land forever and expect the locals to accept it. It won't happen and from what we're seeing currently in the West Bank and Gaza is the result of that thinking.
Looking more and more like the idiots in Gaza should have never rejected a two state solution. but they did.
Oh, well.
is not an answer.
Yeah.
Probably make more sense if you read the WHOLE post.
smh
Ok , there is the rest of your comment. What does it mean? It seems to mean that Hamas, and the 2.5 million people that live in Gaza made their bed and now they will lie in it. Do you think that approach will solve anything? There has been nationalistic struggle in "Palestine" for a century. The "answer" has yet to be found. Wiping out Gaza will not be the answer either.
What does it mean?
What part is not being understood by you?
Look, if you want to cheerlead for a bunch of terrorists, have at it.
I won't be a party to that crap.
I asked what it means. If you cant elaborate on what it means then maybe you shouldnt make such comments.
No matter how you try Palestinian does not equal Hamas...
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I don't give a fuck about terrorists or the people supporting them.
You do not seem to give a fuck for the hostages or for the innocent civilians or if the conflict can be abated either...
I am not responsible for what it is you think.
Read the posts.
In other words, Israel must accept its own destruction.
What is your answer Vic. Which one of the three "decisive" choices the far right in Israel wants to apply to the Palestinians do you prefer.
1. They leave the territory of Israel/Palestine
2. They accept second class status ruled by Israel
3. They resist and are destroyed as a people.
Which of those three sound realistic to you?
Best you don't assume what I said since you're way off base, again.
I think Israel must accept that it will deal with endless aggression no matter what it does. It seems to be in a no-win situation. I suspect many Israelis already know this all too well.
So Israel must constantly thread the needle ... trying to secure the safety of its people while balancing international politics. It is a truly fucked up reality.
That is certainly a possibility. But what is being done now has not worked and , it seems likely, will never work. The two state solution has never gotten off the ground. This may be the time for good actors in the national community to do everything they can to make it happen.
I preferred that the Palestinians live up to the Oslo Accords, but they kept electing terrorist groups like the PLO and Hamas to represent them.
Instead of talking about "a far right" in Israel, how about telling us what the Hamas Charter says?
What's wrong John, can't answer that one?
Palestinians refused a two state solution.
Do you really believe that must be their lot?
Describe how they get free of that situation.
I am confident they would love to have an answer.
Israel should do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect itself.
Screw "world opinion"
That has always been the problem. All of the agreements that the Palestinians didn't like were forced on them and Israel by the US.
I think the US should best tend to protecting its troops.
Hamas cannot "exterminate" Israel . It will never happen.
ABSOLUTELY!
(The world that already hates Israel, starting with the democrat party in the US)
Nothing seems to work. And the reason is that this is not a rational situation. This is irrational hatred that is baked into the culture. It is a culture that creates generations of individuals who believe Israelis must be eliminated.
What, then, do you think Israel should do to secure a lasting peace?
Do you think "endlessly threading the needle" is an acceptable prospect for the future of Israel? Its been 100 years or more already. Some people say that the Palestinians have no legitimate claim to any land in the geographical region. For the god's sake, the United Nations recognized a legitimate claim way back in 1947 when they drew up partition plans. And that was back when the UN was a respected arbitrator of world affairs.
I happen to think the current Prime Minister was doing a fairly good job. He was making friends with many of his neighbors, most notable was the forthcoming relations with Saudi Arabia. The Abram Accords was also a reality.
The big thing of course, was that Iran had been stymied by the restrictions that President Trump had on them, which have all been temporarily waived by Joe Biden who wants to restart the infamous Iran Deal. Iran's oil sales are almost back up to where they were before Trump was President.
I hate to say it TiG but "elections have consequences!"
As stated in 7.2.10:
And NOTHING short of that.
No. I stated the situation they face, not a solution.
I wish there was a solution which allowed Israel to exist in peace.
For starters, Palestinians could reject terrorists.
Responding to my post is not the same as answering the question it contains.
What, then, do you think Israel should do to secure a lasting peace?
"Whatever is necessary" is vague bullshit. Don't make references to magic, state an actionable plan.
Exactly.
You didn't accept the answer. Israel must continue building relationships with its neighbors.
The Abraham Accords normalizes relations between Israel and 4 Arab countries.
Do you recall how close Israel and Saudi Arabia were to an agreement? Some believe it was the reason Iran unleashed Hamas.
Bullseye!
Good grief, more 'magic'.
"Whatever is necessary" is a bullshit cop out.
Hamas could be defeated by blowing up the Gaza strip. They (and everyone else there) would be dead.
Of course, Hamas itself will not be dead because there are always new terrorists available to fill the void.
What is your solution? Specifically.
You think it is possible for Israel to build relationships that would prevent terrorist groups from attacking them?
How, exactly, do relationships counteract generational hatred for Israelis? This is not a rational situation, this is driven by irrational beliefs deep in the culture.
Hmm. Describe this magic.
The problem within Israel is not Saudi Arabia, it is how to co-exist with 7 million Palestinians.
Not vague in the least and a very actionable plan.
No.
How, exactly, do relationships counteract generational hatred for Israelis?
They don't. However, the opponents of Israel become fewer with time. Think about the state sponsoring of terrorism. You have only one and it is Iran. There are still failed states in the middle east that are havens for terrorists, but a country like Egypt is unlikely to go to war with Israel again, as a matter of fact it was Egypt that gave Israel its only warning of the Oct 7th attack.
This is not a rational situation, this is driven by irrational beliefs deep in the culture.
In Gaza the children were taught to give up their lives in the fight against Israel. In some places the funding for such schools comes from the UN.
The 7 million Palestinians had their chance. They could have co-existed with Israel.
The Palestinians refused to recognize Israel. They are to be relocated in Syria or Lebanon. Good riddance.
"whatever is necessary" is an actionable plan?
Okay, general, you are in charge of the Israeli army. You devise an actionable plan to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens. You then announce this plan to those in your charge:
My plan is that you should all do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens.
That is it. Get to work.
Brilliant plan, general.
Not much of a plan, Vic. Israel works to develop relationships with the hope of reducing its diplomatic opponents in a reality where the various cultures surrounding Israel continue to have generational hatred.
As Hamas has shown, it takes just an extremely tiny minority of irrational, savage individuals who care more about their cause than their own lives to wreak havoc with Israel.
Israel will perpetually be subject to attack as long as this generational, cultural hatred exists. I do not believe anyone has ever found a solution to generational, cultural hatred since it is founded in irrational beliefs.
Israel could mass kill everyone who currently holds irrational hatred against them and this will simply trigger a new generation of hatred and this time it can be fortified by the recent mass killing.
Irrational generational hatred.
Opinions will vary.
I did. Just because YOU don't think it's not actionable doesn't mean it can't be done.
We can only hope. Does time really heal all wounds?
The only other option is for the Israelis to flee their homeland and the middle east all together.
Your "actionable plan" is "do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens".
That is not a plan and it is not actionable.
It is like Miss America offering an "actionable plan" for world peace of "everyone just be nice to each other".
This hatred has been around for centuries, Vic.
That is not a solution to the stated problem. The stated problem is how the state of Israel can exist without constant aggression.
I recommend you take this time to look at how military operations are drawn up and executed.
On a side note, Israel's operations to do "whatever is necessary" seem to be working fine.
Never gonna happen.
More bullshit. Show us clear, convincing evidence that a military would put forth a document that only has in it ...
"Do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens"
... and label this document a plan, much less an actionable plan.
Maybe not, but it is what I would do. Pack them up and move them to one of those two ungoverned countries.
Perhaps they can finally find a prosperous life there.
Once again, I recommend you take this time to look at how military operations are drawn up and executed.
Here, use this LINK as a start point to look it up for the US Army.
Unfortunately, you didn't recognize the solution.
You are going to forcibly relocate 7 million people? LOL.
If I could I would.
And I send most of our university professors with them.
Never gonna happen.
Right. Their Arab brothers don't really care and are't suicidal enough to import massive amounts of aliens.
Lucky they have this place called "Gaza" where they rule and exported all the Jews from so they don't have to deal with them.
Deliver a real military plan that is considered an "actionable plan" which is as vague as:
"Do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens"
Go ahead, Jeremy, attempt to back up your ridiculous claim.
Your "solution" does not solve the problem.
And that is no surprise. It is unlikely that Vic on NT would come up with the brilliant solution to this problem when all the well-informed minds since the formation of Israel have been unable to devise one that works.
It is the solution that the Israeli Prime Minister is pursuing.
You are the one who simply stands there and implies that there is no solution as long as there is a state of Israel. How about you at least condemn Iran and its proxies and call it a day.
Attempting to forge relationships is a good thing. And it certainly is part of an aggregate solution. But it is NOT the solution in and of itself for the reasons I gave.
And of course you totally misrepresent my position. My position is that nobody has devised a solution to the irrational, generational hatred that drives this problem. And it does not look likely that we will. Diplomacy has been an ongoing pursuit and it is quite unlikely that it ever will be the solution to the problem. Reasoning with the irrational does not work. Unlike you, I do not pretend to have a solution.
I condemn Iran and all its proxies. Too bad that does not solve the problem.
You have homework. See 7.2.44. Let me know when you understand the process from Commanders Intent to execution.
No, Jeremy, you have been challenged to deliver a genuine military actionable plan that is no more detailed than:
"Do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens"
You obviously cannot do so and instead ask me to go on a wild goose chase. Deflection.
There is no way on this planet that any military would put forth an actionable plan that is merely: "Do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens".
Yes, we've proven that haven't we?
Nothing to prove, I stated it. I TiG on NT do not have a solution for how the state of Israel can forge a reality where they exist without the constant fear of aggression from those who possess a cultural, generational, irrational hatred for them.
Do you still think that you, Vic on NT, have the solution to the above problem?
I still believe that the course set by the current Israeli PM is the correct one. Forge alliances with neighbors and dismantle Iran's ring of fire.
I am also in favor of ongoing diplomacy. That is not the point. You are claiming that this alone will solve the problem of irrational, cultural, generational hatred of Israelis.
Generational hatred is not impossible to overcome. In the US we had a problem in the south and today I don't think we could fill Joe Biden's Delaware home with the number of white racists that still exist in this country. I admit that the middle east is a more severe case, since the hate is literally being taught in classrooms, but that is where it needs to be stopped. I'm sure we can find the better angels in the middle east. Who knows, one day we may even have a second democracy pop up there.
No wild goose chase. I gave you everything you need to understand the process and how it's applied. I gave you everything you need to educate yourself and you refused it. And once again, you refuse to accept the answer and to learn something. And, once again, not my problem.
Of course. Passing familiarity with history tells us that.
The comanche aren't still trying to exterminate the apache.
Thus far, for the Israelis, that has not shown to be true in any way.
As usual, you make false claims rather than deal with a challenge:
Deliver a genuine military actionable plan that is no more detailed than "Do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens".
It is no doubt obvious to every reader that you cannot substantiate your ridiculous claim.
Challenge accepted and answered.
That's called "Commander's Intent". In the little game you wanted to play, it starts with that. You'd know the rest but you refuse to educate yourself.
Have fun with that.
Deliver a genuine military commander's intent that is no more detailed than "Do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens".
You apparently do not understand what a commander's intent entails. It is not a single sentence, wide-open, vague statement of outcome. A statement of outcome is part of the commander's intent just like an objective like "be the xxx market leader" is part of a corporate strategic plan. But the commander's intent (as with a corporate strategic plan) is substantially more detailed.
You have and will continue to fail to deliver an actionable military plan that is no more detailed than "Do whatever is necessary to defeat Hamas and protect Israeli citizens" because you are obviously wrong.
Your bullshit remains as bullshit.
Educate yourself. Then we'll talk.
If you had an answer, you would type it.
You have offered nothing other than bullshit.
This is like engaging in a religious debate and having one's interlocutor tell you to "read the Bible and then get back with me".
Your tactic is feeble and obvious.
Israel can exist just fine if Palestinian terrorists stop trying to annihilate them.
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God forbid you inform yourself! Huh?
When I post here, I post facts,
Not my fault some are exempt from expressing those same facts, or try and express a losing battle via memes.
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Exactly what is an actionable plan, has any been proposed and does it include nuclear weapons? Drive them from Gaza into the sea and let them drown? Deport them to the moon or just go in and kill them all?
When is it going to be understood that occupation doesn't work and you cannot kill an ideology and after Gaza you have the West Bank same thing there?
The Palestinians could have accepted the many generous deals that would have allowed for a co-existence, but they rejected every one of them. They want a one state solution.
THEY ARE NOT VICTIMS.
I never said they were victims, Vic. I have been pointing out over numerous articles/comments the history of both sides, the history of various peoples involved, and most of all that you cannot kill your way to a solution nor can you occupy 3 million people forever, the British found that out the hard way. Do you remember the King David Hotel bombing by the Stern Gang and Haganah, Vic?
Occupation and killing in the end never works in this type of situation. Americans should have learned that lesson as well since we have fallen into the trap more than one time.
That is what gives it away.
Gives what away, Vic? Do you have any idea at all about what you're talking about?
It is interesting how you are unable to take in the complete comment and choose to pick out a few words or a sentence and try to make something it isn't. It would seem that is your only response to facts.
Do you have any idea of the various people I was talking about? Probably not or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous comment. Let me help you out with that, Vic.
The three groups I've covered thus far are the Bedouins, Druze, and the Circassian, all citizens of Israel and all in the IDF. I have a few more groups to go, you should tune in you could improve your knowledge of Israel and the ME.