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Today's agenda: A dark speech, Justice vs social justice and a Performance Review for Mayorkas

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  11 months ago  •  105 comments

Today's agenda: A dark speech, Justice vs social justice and a Performance Review for Mayorkas
“Do you consider all Trump supporters to be a threat to this country?” a reporter asked Biden at the end of his only scheduled public remarks of the day. “Come on, look, guys, you keep trying to make that case. I don’t consider any Trump supporter to be a threat to the country,” Biden said.

Link to quote: Biden walks back attacks on Trump voters in anti-MAGA speech (nypost.com)


Later today Biden will make his "first campaign speech" to be held at Valley Forge, in which he revisits what his speech writers called some of the darkest moments in history. Translation: the protest that turned into a riot 3 years ago. This divisive speech was originally scheduled for tomorrow, the 3-year anniversary of the Jan 6th riot, but because of a weekend snowstorm coming to the northeast, Biden will try and compare Donald Trump to Hitler today. 

It may not be a smart move by Biden's handlers since Biden's performance as president IE: economic problems, 2 wars, no border and rampant crime are a big part of most Americans lives. The fact is that it is Biden who has done a lot to attack the Republic, such as trying to imprison his main political opponent or trying to censor tens of millions of Americans. I believe that when Americans think about what is "dark" or un-American, they will be thinking about Joe Biden and the democrats.


Justice vs social justice:

In case anyone missed it, a defendant attacked a Nevada judge during his sentencing in a felony battery case the other day. The defendant, Deobra Delone Redden had made a case that he had changed. The Judge, Clark County District Court Judge Mary Kay Holthus, disagreed with that analysis and pointed to his long record of violence and then she sentenced him, at which point Redden leaped over a defense table and the judge's bench, landing atop her while battling two court officials:



Did we ever think we would see this?  The defendant, whom social justice warriors would describe as one from an "oppressed class" did what he felt he had license to do. The way to stop this is to have one law for everyone, enforce the law and last but not least vote against democrats.


Judgement day for Mayorkas:

Biden's point man on the open border is facing impeachment by House Republicans. They have held hearings and have been patient with Mayorkas. However trying to get straight answers out of Mayorkas has been like trying to nail Jello to the wall. Articles of impeachment will not be followed by a conviction in the Senate, but the message must be sent that this is a lawless administration, and that Joe Biden has violated his oath to protect the country.

"On Thursday, Mayorkas was grilled on "Special Report" as anchor Bret Baier presented various statistics collectively depicting a burgeoning crisis on the Mexican border.

The secretary, who himself fled the Cuban Revolution for the United States as a toddler, remained steadfast that he has been properly executing the duties of his office.

Baier asked Mayorkas how many illegal immigrants have been released into the nation's interior in President Biden's first three years in office, leading the secretary to reply he needed to "correct a misunderstanding."
"When somebody enters the country, we place them in immigration enforcement proceedings pursuant to immigration law, and if their claim for relief, their claim to remain in the United States succeeds, then by law they are able to stay here… " he began, before Baier pressed again for a "ballpark" statistic.

Mayorkas responded there have been "well more than a million" migrants being released annually, and that that statistic proves the nation's immigration system is broken and requires congressional action.

When asked about 300,000 reported migrant encounters in December 2022 alone, Mayorkas said DHS is limited in its detention capacity, subject to congressional funding. The secretary, however, added there has been a "historic number" of removals during his tenure.

Asked later about Customs & Border Protection sources telling Fox News they are releasing nearly three-quarters of migrants who cross daily, Mayorkas said he is not surprised, and that those who are released are placed in enforcement proceedings and alternatives to detention.

The key question:

Bret Baier: "Would you accept the extra [border] funding on the condition that the funds could ONLY be used for detention and removal [of illegal immigrants] — but not release into the country?"

MAYORKAS : No


Mayorkas punts on impeachment question, faults Congress amid border crisis (msn.com)


In other news:

Donald Trump is trying to force the SCOTUS to take up the case of his being removed from state ballots. The Court doesn't seem to want to take on cases with political or election ramifications but may have no choice. This is a clear-cut case, though some "critical thinkers" believe it is a tough call.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    11 months ago

Good morning.

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Winter finally arrives for the northeast on Saturday night. 

Film noir & a drink are on tap as I watch the snow fall.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    11 months ago

Poor Biden had to reschedule his speech and can’t deliver it on the holiest day of his religion.  The feast of  the insurrection just won’t be the same.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    11 months ago

Of course, it was never an insurrection. It was a protest that became a riot.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    11 months ago

I’m trying to be respectful of their religion’s terminology 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    11 months ago
their religion’s terminology 

George Orwell might have said such terminology was intended to hide the truth rather than to reveal it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    11 months ago

They are following part of the Lenin manifesto:

“A lie told often enough becomes the truth”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.3    11 months ago

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Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    11 months ago

Ahh, but are you using the legal definition or the colloquial definition of the word?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.5    11 months ago
colloquial

Always. That is how Gore Vidal won a debate with William F Buckley. 

Always use the language of ordinary people.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3  JBB    11 months ago

Any officers of the United States who were sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States of America who then participated in an insurrection against the United States of America and its Constitution are forevermore ineligible to ever hold any federal office ever again!

Just like the former Confederates this law was written to make ineligible, they need not have been convicted of anything when the fact of their participation is a known and well documented fact, as it is with Trump!

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3    11 months ago

Ahh they never forget! You are going to give me a big head.


Officers of the United States who swore to defend the Constitution of the United States of America who participated in an insurrection against the United States are ineligible to ever hold office again!

Can you prove that Trump participated in "an insurrection?"  He has never been charged with that nor have any of the Jan 6th rioters.


Just like the former Confederates this law was written to make ineligible. They need not be convicted of anything when the fact of their participation is a known, public and well documented fact...

Actually, that law was written specifically to deny former Confederates from holding office again. Much of the 14th Amendment was written in the context of the Civil War, which had just ended. For instance, we have been arguing endlessly about anchor babies in this country because the 14th Amendment neglected to specify that it was talking about the newly freed slaves who were born here.

The SCOTUS will overrule the partisans. You can quote me on that one!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    11 months ago
Can you prove that Trump participated in "an insurrection?" 

Of course he can't.  None of them can.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    11 months ago

Based on what we all saw, heard and experienced, Jack Smith can and will prove Trump conspired (participated) in Jan 6th...

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
3.1.3  goose is back  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    11 months ago
The SCOTUS will overrule the partisans. You can quote me on that one!

I agree 9-0 or 8-1. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
3.1.4  goose is back  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    11 months ago
Based on what we all saw, heard and experienced,

Are you talking about a pipe bomber who is on security cameras that still hasn't been caught!.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    11 months ago

See 3.4 below and fess up.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    11 months ago

How can that be? Jack Smith never charged him with that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  goose is back @3.1.3    11 months ago

How come we can see it and the "critical thinkers" can't?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.2  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @3    11 months ago

That’s great but there’s a reason the 5th amendment comes before any faulty application of amendments that follow. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @3    11 months ago

Perry Mason was a defense attorney; not a prosecutor.  Democrats don't even know which side they're on.

Even Democrats contend the Federal government has authority over elections.  Democrats utilized that claimed Federal authority to rig the 2020 election using unverifiable and uncertifiable mail-in voting.  Trump did question the integrity of the 2020 election but it was Democrats who directly undermined the integrity of the 2020 election.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @3.3    11 months ago
Perry Mason was a defense attorney; not a prosecutor.  Democrats don't even know which side they're on.

Nerm, you cut with precision.


Even Democrats contend the Federal government has authority over elections.  Democrats utilized that claimed Federal authority to rig the 2020 election using unverifiable and uncertifiable mail-in voting.  Trump did question the integrity of the 2020 election but it was Democrats who directly undermined the integrity of the 2020 election. 

Somebody has the guts to say it!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.3.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Nerm_L @3.3    11 months ago
Perry Mason was a defense attorney; not a prosecutor.  Democrats don't even know which side they're on.

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3    11 months ago
fact of their participation is a known and well documented fact, as it is with Trump

I don't remember pictures or videos seeing him going up the steps and into the rotunda or any offices or hallways. Perhaps you should share.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4    11 months ago
Even Democrats contend the Federal government has authority over elections.  Democrats utilized that claimed Federal authority to rig the 2020 election using unverifiable and uncertifiable mail-in voting.  Trump did question the integrity of the 2020 election but it was Democrats who directly undermined the integrity of the 2020 election. 

That must have happened when AOC feared for her life in her office. Oh wait, she wasn't anywhere near any of it!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.5  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @3    11 months ago
Any officers of the United States who were sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States of America who then participated in an insurrection against the United States of America and its Constitution are forevermore ineligible to ever hold any federal office ever again! Just like the former Confederates this law was written to make ineligible, they need not have been convicted of anything when the fact of their participation is a known and well documented fact, as it is with Trump!

I suggest that you read the US Constitution, namely the Appointments Clause (Article II), in order to learn which people are deemed "Officers of the United States". Here's a hint: the POTUS appoints Officers of the US.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.5.1  Snuffy  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.5    11 months ago

This was an interesting read on this exact subject and they conclude that Trump was not an officer in the United States.

After the Senate trial, Trump was not convicted. Therefore, he could not be disqualified from holding future office pursuant to the Impeachment Disqualification Clause. But even after Trump’s acquittal, efforts to disqualify the former President based on Section 3 continue. For example, there is a pending concurrent resolution that would find “President Donald J. Trump ‘as an officer of the United States . . . engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or g[ave] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,’ making him ineligible for future office . . . .” This resolution assumed that the President is an “officer of the United States.”

We disagree. There is some good reason to think the President is not an “officer of the United States.” President Trump, who swore only one constitutional oath, does not fall within Section 3’s jurisdictional element. Therefore, he cannot be disqualified pursuant to this provision.
Is the President an “Officer of the United States” for Purposes of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment? — NYU Journal of Law & Liberty (nyujll.com)

This was only out of part 1 of the paper, there is a link at the bottom of the linked page that provides the full paper. They chart out why in their opinion this will be resolved by the court and that Trump was not an officer of the United States and therefore is not disqualified under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.5.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Snuffy @3.5.1    11 months ago

Thanks for providing more US Constitution facts, Snuffy. Far too many people from Maine to Illinois to Colorado (and counting) fancy themselves to be "constitutional scholars" but don't understand Amendment 14 and other sections of our Constitution.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    11 months ago

"Just like the former Confederates this law was written to make ineligible, they need not have been convicted of anything when the fact of their participation is a known and well documented fact, like Trump."

Trump's participation has not been proven and well documented facts of his involvement are lacking.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @4    11 months ago

Haven't you heard Greg?  He is unfit for office, don't ya know!.


Somebody living on the outskirts of Chicago gets to decide all that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    11 months ago

LOL. Dont beclown yourself. There are tens of millions of Americans who think the fool is unfit for office.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    11 months ago
Dont beclown yourself.

We have a new word for today.

beclown: To call it like it is

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    11 months ago

Still trying to bamboozle everyone, ay ? 

Beclown   is a verb that means to make a fool of, to make into a clown, or to make oneself a fool . Find out the origin, pronunciation, and usage of   beclown   with examples and …
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    11 months ago

How could I forget the free dictionary. 

Is "double dixied" in there?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.4    11 months ago

Why you want to belittle things you know nothing about is beyond me. 

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    11 months ago

It must be one of the 10,000 new words.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    11 months ago

another swing and a miss

Where does the verb   beclown   come from?

EARLIEST KNOWN USE

early 1600s

The earliest known use of the verb   beclown   is in the early 1600s.

OED's only evidence for   beclown   is from 1609, in the writing of Samuel Rowlands, satirist.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    11 months ago

John, I have to let you have this one.

Congrats!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    11 months ago
There are tens of millions of Americans who think the fool is unfit for office.

That right there.  They THINK he's unfit for office.  No proof, naturally.  Just hurt feelings and speculation.  You want to decare something the you should be ready to back it up with more than tears and guesses.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    11 months ago

I’ll call that and raise you ten of millions that KNOW Biden is not fit for office based on empirical data.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
4.1.11  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    11 months ago
beclown

Now, would that be the colloquial or legal usage

In reality....nobody gives a shit

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4    11 months ago

I am quite sure you know next to nothing about jan 6. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    11 months ago

We are going to hear about it later today.

A functioning idiot will try to explain it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    11 months ago
We are going to hear about it later today.

The speech is already out there:

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Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    11 months ago

If you've got provable truth, tell us all about it. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
4.2.4  goose is back  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    11 months ago
 I am quite sure you know next to nothing about jan 6. 

Well JR, tell us about the pipe bomber.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  goose is back @4.2.4    11 months ago

Crazy how the fed's have spent years and millions of dollars tracking and prosecuting every 65 year old man who shuffled through the Capitol but haven't found or even seem to prioritize finding the person who left the pipe bombs . 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.2    11 months ago

Thank you. That is what I was looking for.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.2.7  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.5    11 months ago
fed's have spent years and millions of dollars tracking and prosecuting every 65 year old man who shuffled through the Capitol but haven't found or even seem to prioritize finding the person who left the pipe bombs .

Or any of Epstein's clients, Is that because most of their bosses would be out of work?

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
4.3  Thomas  replied to  Greg Jones @4    11 months ago
Trump's participation has not been proven and well documented facts of his involvement are lacking.

Hahahahahahahahahaha......

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
4.4  arkpdx  replied to  Greg Jones @4    11 months ago

Greg, I have learned that the left is not interested in truth, evidence, or facts. All they require for a conviction and subsequent punishment is their feeling that something happened and their desire to have someone responsible 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @4.4    11 months ago
is their feeling that something happened and their desire to have someone responsible 

Nothing seems to slow down y'alls nonsense. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
4.4.2  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4.1    11 months ago

Truth hurts you doesn't it?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5  Kavika     11 months ago
Did we ever think we would see this?  The defendant, whom social justice warriors would describe as one from an "oppressed class" did what he felt he had license to do. The way to stop this is to have one law for everyone, enforce the law and last but not least vote against democrats.

Yes, we've seen it many times before, the killer whom social justice warriors would describe as a wealthy educated upper-class white guy also a lawyer who believed he was from the ''white privledge class'' shot and killed a judge's son and wounded the father before he cowardly ran off. That was in your part of the country Vic, then he shot and killed another lawyer who answered the door in Crestline, CA.

Here is a photo of the thug.

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5    11 months ago

Thanks, Kavika. I understand how you feel about one certain group.

It is easy:  One law for all.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    11 months ago
Thanks, Kavika. I understand how you feel about one certain group.

And I understand how you feel about certain groups as well, Vic.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    11 months ago

That's just you.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    11 months ago
That's just you.

Actually it isn't, Vic you're fairly transparent.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.3    11 months ago

I'll never forget the first time I read one of your comments here on NT. It was a little excerpt from one of your short stories. 

Shall I refresh your memory?

Do you recall the settler that was being scalped?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.4    11 months ago

I wouldnt poke Kavika on such topics if I were you. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    11 months ago

Why would that be?

Let's see, like you and one other, he rushed in to condemn what turned out to be a Native American for wearing a headdress, then he tried to defend the Boston mayor who discriminated against whites.

How can I go wrong?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    11 months ago

He knows a vast amount more about American Indians and the history of whites interactions with them than you ever could. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    11 months ago

Oh, he is a historian.  I didn't know that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.8    11 months ago

There are a lot of things you dont know. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.9    11 months ago

Not when it comes to this place.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.11  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.4    11 months ago
I'll never forget the first time I read one of your comments here on NT. It was a little excerpt from one of your short stories. 

Great memory for an ancient one.

Shall I refresh your memory?

Please do but be sure to post the whole story, we don't want you taking one line out of a story to fit your narrative, and it will also let me post so much of the stupid shit that you posted.

Do you recall the settler that was being scalped?

I do and it was the same guy that killed Indian women and children. You do realize that you were the invaders and people fight the invaders, except for some that are all talk.

Please Vic, post it and I can counter with the short story on ''Old Dog'' or the Iron Horse, members seem to enjoy them, well except some.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.12  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.10    11 months ago
Do you recall the settler that was being scalped?

Oh my, the great Karnac strikes again.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.11    11 months ago

That was the very first commentary of yours that I ever saw.

First impressions...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.12    11 months ago

How about answering Ronin's question?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.15  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    11 months ago
Let's see, like you and one other, he rushed in to condemn what turned out to be a Native American for wearing a headdress, then he tried to defend the Boston mayor who discriminated against whites.

Two more lies, I never attacked an Indian child, I said it wasn't appropriate and it isn't.

I never defended the Boston Mayor what I said was what she did was silly and stupid,  I do love the way you mind works on that, racism racism and more racism.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.15    11 months ago

Let's see if you can do better today.

I'd start with the question Ronin asked if I were you.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.17  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.16    11 months ago
Let's see if you can do better today.

I've already done better, as usual you are on the losing end.

I'd start with the question Ronin asked if I were you.

First off you're not me and Ronin question has been asked and answered.

Cheers, Vic.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
5.1.18  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.10    11 months ago

“Not when it comes to this place.”

’This place’ has become as toxic as the rest of our country.

What used to be a forum for thoughtful discussion has deteriorated into something resembling a wwf wrestling match…all fabricated narrative, all inanity, and for too many…all consuming. 

Reasonable dialogue is important, so thanks to those who choose to engage in such a manner…you know who you are. To those that don’t, we know who you are as well. Fight the good fight…emphasis always on good rather than evil. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.1.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1.18    11 months ago
emphasis on good rather than evil.

Both matters of opinion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1.18    11 months ago
This place’ has become as toxic as the rest of our country, it was the same people who made it that way.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.21  devangelical  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1.18    11 months ago

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Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @5    11 months ago

How many times was he charged or incarcerated before he went on his killing rampage? How many second, third, and fourth chances had the system given him?

Here is the complete story.

While his precise motive for making the list remains unclear, Mr. Den Hollander had received a terminal cancer diagnosis, and F.B.I. agents earlier this week were exploring whether that news set him off on a mission of revenge against those he believed were his enemies.

I tried coming up with a criminal record of any kind for him. Outside of his hatred of women after his divorce; and being thought of as a joke in the legal profession- really couldn't find anything.

So how does he compare again to the example given?

Do you think if they had caught him before he committed suicide that he wouldn't have been charged to the fullest extent of the law? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2    11 months ago

Good question.

This should be interesting.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @5.2    11 months ago

So, we are making excuses for the white guy and he's never been in trouble before, are you forgetting that he murdered two people (first degree no less) and wounded a third?

So how does he compare again to the example given?

Poorly actually. 

Courtroom attacker who jumped judge on bench is mentally ill repeat offender

Do you think if they had caught him before he committed suicide that he wouldn't have been charged to the fullest extent of the law? 

I have no idea since I didn't use that as part of my comment.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.2.2    11 months ago

But you didn't defend Redden by insisting he was "mentally ill."  Your first instinct was to post a story about a white guy.

It looks like you did it again.


Cheers

 
 
 
George
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5.2.4  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    11 months ago

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Kavika
Professor Principal
5.2.5  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    11 months ago
But you didn't defend Redden by insisting he was "mentally ill."

No, I did not. You should be able to figure it out, I'll give you a hint, does ''oppressed class'' ring a bell for you? Oh, and you nor Ronin took the time to find out he was mentally ill. 

Your first instinct was to post a story about a white guy.

And your comment was to post a story about a black guy who was from the oppressed class. Don't throw stones from that glass house.

It looks like you did it again.

Absolutely called out your nonsense again. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2.6  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @5.2.2    11 months ago

If Redden is mentally ill and a repeat offender- that makes two reasons he shouldn't be on the street. Yet he was continually given chances.

You are comparing him to a guy who was diagnosed with terminal cancer and decided to go on a shooting rampage against what he perceived were his enemies.

Maybe they should have locked him up just because he was white? Or maybe because he hated women? Or maybe because he was considered a joke in the legal field?

Please tell us what should have been done to prevent him from carrying out his crimes? Tell us all how the legal system could have prevented the two deaths and wounding of a third?

Notice you didn't answer the question. Do you think he wouldn't have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law had they caught him before he committed suicide?

The law either applies equally to everyone or no one. Democrats and those on the left are quickly bringing about the day it will apply to no one.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.2.7  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @5.2.6    11 months ago
If Redden is mentally ill and a repeat offender- that makes two reasons he shouldn't be on the street. Yet he was continually given chances.

The best suggestion is for you to take it up with the judicial system or take a harder look at the person you're defending.

You are comparing him to a guy who was diagnosed with terminal cancer and decided to go on a shooting rampage against what he perceived were his enemies.

WTF does being diagnosed with terminal cancer have to do with killing two people and wounding a third? You should actually investigate his background he was far from not being dangerous.

Lawyer warned courts of ‘anti-feminist’ Roy Den Hollander in 2007

Lawyer warned courts of 'anti-feminist' Roy Den Hollander in 2007

So you're defending a murderer who had terminal cancer so it was OK to kill two people and wound a third?

But Redden doesn't get that protection from you. He  has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. He'd been through mental health court twice amid a string of violent crimes.

Notice you didn't answer the question. Do you think he wouldn't have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law had they caught him before he committed suicide?

I answered the question you just didn't like my answer, I have no idea, he could have been declared insane or competent to stand trial.

The law either applies equally to everyone or no one. Democrats and those on the left are quickly bringing about the day it will apply to no one.

You can't make an arguement so it's back to the usual bullshit about Democrats. Give it break.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2.8  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @5.2.7    11 months ago

You think I am defending a murderer? Literally WTF.

I asked you a simple damn question and you gave a bullshit non answer. 

As for what happened in 2007; maybe the worthless POS attorney should have charge Hollander with assault instead of just penning a letter. Especially since he had a witness that had to pull Hollander off him. And he thought Hollander was "a ticking time bomb". Both great human beings- glad I never had either of them representing me or anyone I know.

As for Redden- fuck him. He has had multiple chances- he has fucked every one of them up. He needs to be off the street one way or another. The other judges did jack shit of nothing- just kicked him back onto the street to commit more crimes. This judge finally removed him from society as a threat, and was attacked for it. And you are defending Redden? I would say unfucking believable; but nothing more than I have come to expect from leftists.

As for my last statement it stands. Until Democrats treat everyone equally under the law; and not give out special privileges based on if they have a D behind their name, the pigmentation of their skin, or how they identify sexually- the legally system will be broken.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.2.9  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @5.2.8    11 months ago
As for Redden- fuck him. He has had multiple chances- he has fucked every one of them up. He needs to be off the street one way or another. The other judges did jack shit of nothing- just kicked him back onto the street to commit more crimes. This judge finally removed him from society as a threat, and was attacked for it. And you are defending Redden? I would say unfucking believable; but nothing more than I have come to expect from leftists.

Not defending Redden at all, it seems that your beliefs and accusations are simply the misconceptions that you hold about many things.

As for my last statement it stands. Until Democrats treat everyone equally under the law; and not give out special privileges based on if they have a D behind their name, the pigmentation of their skin, or how they identify sexually- the legally system will be broken.

Excellent repeating an ignorant comment is one of the best ways to raise your credibility on NT.

And you're saying that it's the dem's that don't treat everyone equally..LOL more proof that you're on a rant.

Cheers

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.2.10  arkpdx  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2.8    11 months ago
 Until Democrats treat everyone equally under the law; and not give out special privileges based on if they have a D behind their name, the pigmentation of their skin, or how they identify sexually- the legally system will be broken.

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afrayedknot
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5.2.11  afrayedknot  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2.8    11 months ago

“Until Democrats treat everyone equally under the law; and not give out special privileges based on if they have a D behind their name, the pigmentation of their skin, or how they identify sexually- the legally system will be broken.”

And until republicans treat ‘everyone equally under the law’ it will remain incumbent upon anyone other than those with an R behind their name to fight for what is right. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6  JohnRussell    11 months ago
The defendant, whom social justice warriors would describe as one from an "oppressed class" did what he felt he had license to do.

You do not have the slightest idea whether or not Democrats would recommend leniency for this defendant. Therefore, why did you seed this?  I could take a good guess. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    11 months ago
Therefore, why did you seed this?

Because I thought it was a new low point for our crumbling society

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    11 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    11 months ago

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Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8  Jasper2529    11 months ago

I'm looking forward to watching what's been billed as Biden's 2024 kick-off "Rally" in Valley Forge/Blue Bell, PA (a whoppingly large population of 6,506 in US Census 2020) at Montgomery County Community College.

Imagine having dozens of Secret Service (and other law enforcement) and press personnel descend on a tiny town!!

His "Rally" was scheduled for tomorrow but moved to today due to tomorrow's "snowstorm". (Weather forecast: Saturday to Sunday ... 1-2" --- LOL!)

Ooopz ... gotta go ... Biden's on ... whispering and yelling.

Just got 1st applause ... sound like about 100 people.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jasper2529 @8    11 months ago
Biden's on ... whispering and yelling

Yep.............

"Nearly lost America" what a pile of shit

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    11 months ago

15 minutes, and all he's railed about is Trump, Jan. 6, his imaginary "danger to democracy", and "insurrection". Nothing about how he plans to improve Americans' lives (economy) and finally close our borders. Hmmm.

Whew ... 30-ish minutes! Very impressive for him, time-wise. It's concerning that he said conflicting statements regarding the 14th Amendment.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.1.1    11 months ago

That is all he is going to discuss is Trump and J6. Not real smart doing what he is doing on his part. He is stretching facts and taking things out of context to fit his narrative. He sure as hell can't run on his record. Just using scare tactics..........as alway and we saw in 2016 and 2020

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And he is anointing Trump as his competitor. I think one Nikki Haley may have something to say about that.

And not a word about the insurrection going on on our southern border.....or the two hot wars going on, or NK rattling sabres, or China upping their threat machine as well as Iran.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.2    11 months ago

I have to see a single conservative on this forum who is willing or able to talk factually about Trump's attempt to steal the 2020 election. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.3    11 months ago

If you mean agree with your assertions and analysis, probably won't. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
8.1.5  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.3    11 months ago

Maybe the conservatives on this site view that as utter bullshit put out there by people who have constantly, and i mean every damn day for years, lied about trump before he even took office in an attempt to get him out of office?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.4    11 months ago

So you dont know any facts.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @8.1.5    11 months ago

So you dont know any facts. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
8.1.8  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.7    11 months ago

Fact: dems have been lying about trump before he even took office. And now you expect people to just ignore the years of lie after lie and believe the dems? 

fact: trump was a much more effective president than obama and biden, despite daily opposition from dems, members of his own party, and the media. The country, and citizens were better off under trump.

fact: trump’s policies are far more effective than biden’s, or obama’s. 

fact: the country was never in danger of “losing democracy” under trump.

those are the kind of facts most people care about, not lies based on utter hatred.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
8.2  Gazoo  replied to  Jasper2529 @8    11 months ago

sound like about 100 people.”

That’s a huge crowd for biden. I wonder how much they’re getting paid?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Gazoo @8.2    11 months ago
That’s a huge crowd for biden. I wonder how much they’re getting paid?

Just heard that it was a 550 person arena, invitation only. The applause was rare, and very polite, but it didn't sound like 550 people!

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
8.2.2  Gazoo  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.2.1    11 months ago

Just heard that it was a 550 person arena”

If the arena is full biden must think the entire state of PA is there. Well, if he knows what state he’s in.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  author  Vic Eldred    11 months ago

Addendum:

The man who attacked a Las Vegas judge last week is back in court, in front of the same judge.

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Man seen attacking Las Vegas judge now facing attempted murder charge | Courts | Crime (reviewjournal.com)


Let us not forget: he is mentally ill

 
 

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