Elon Musk Cosigns Racist Claim That Black Students Have Low IQs
Another month, another endorsement of a deeply racist conspiracy theory by multi-hyphenate billionaire Elon Musk.
Late last year, Musk threw a massive tantrum on stage following outrage at his calling an unhinged and antisemitic conspiracy theory " the actual truth ."
Now, Musk has similarly endorsed a tweet suggesting Black students at Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) have lower IQs and shouldn't become pilots.
"It will take an airplane crashing and killing hundreds of people for them to change this crazy policy of DIE," he tweeted , in response to a post arguing that IQ averages were lower at HBCUs, and lower than the "average IQ of US Air Force pilots."
DIE was a likely intentionally rearranged acronym of DEI, which stands for "diversity, equity, and inclusion" initiatives.
The original post went as far as to imply that students at HBCUs had IQs that put them near "the threshold for what is considered 'borderline intellectual impairment.'"
Musk was referring to a United Airlines program that allows students at three HBCUs to interview to become a pilot, which was established in 2021.
"Do you want to fly in an airplane where they prioritized DEI hiring over your safety?" he tweeted in a separate post , despite the existence of extremely strict requirements for applicants.
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OK, Elon, time for beddy-bye and no more ''coke'' for you.
Heil Musk!
The new leader of the pack.
Funny guy that funny named twat from South Africa.
After waiting for years and putting up with the same ole, same ole racist BS from the US Army Air Corp
The 332nd finally began accompanying bombers in WWII
In a very short time, these black American fighter pilots were in high demand because of their skills in killing German pilots and measurably protecting our bombers better than the all white units that had preceded them.
Tuskegee Airmen: The African-American Military Pilots of WW2 - History (historyonthenet.com)
10 African American Pioneers of Aviation and Aerospace - A Better Day - What's happening at the Dayton International Airport (flydayton.com)
Low IQ?
Elon's just another run of the mill billionaire racist
honorary son of the confederacy...
Exactly. He was raised in an atmosphere of "paradise lost" because of the two Boar wars lost to the British then the final insult of losing Apartheid to the majority black population.
Very analogous to our own Civil War and todays attitudes south of the Mason Dixon.
Amazingly, there is a Black reverse migration underway.
why, nobody likes snow, lol.
Even I moved to TX,
Although it is entertaining watching coyotes hunting in the snow
I would prefer watching it on PBS
for the last several years, I've drifted closer to the equator in the fall...
South African Blacks had experienced really horrendous atrocities under Apartheid. Fortunately that's over-- but much of the culture there is incredibly fucked up in other ways:
The rate of sexual violence in South Africa is among the highest recorded in the world.
More women are attacked than men, and children have also been targeted, partly owing to a myth that having sex with a virgin will cure a man of HIV/AIDS .
Rape victims are at high risk of contracting HIV/AIDS owing to the high prevalence of the disease in South Africa. " Corrective rape " is also perpetrated against LGBT men and women.
Sexual violence amongst the highest in the world. And I've read elsewhere that South Africe is actually #1 for the highest percapita incidence of child rape in the world!
Which IMO is indicative of some of the prevailing values there-- so my guess is that may have been a major influence on Musk's values.
Musk is intellectually impaired.
more like a sadistic savant maybe?
That's the truth because I believe he has Asperger's and I do believe he is a genius, but you got it SP, sadistic savant sounds about right.
he probably tortured all his childhood pets...
Not sure why Musk thinks that piloting requires a high IQ. Seems to me to be more a mechanical task and a willingness to follow a pre-flight checklist exactly.
Not ever having flown a plane, I would imagine it requires the ability to process alot of variables in a timely fashion. Maybe that's not so much true as flight becomes more automated, but still seems like alot of real time information to process when things start getting a little wonky.
Agree. I wonder if IQ is actually part of the requirements at all. If not it makes the whole discussion of IQ moot. When I get on a plane I want the pilot to be the best qualified to fly a plane, not the guy with the highest IQ.
tweet suggesting Black students at Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) have lower IQs
Do they?
Seems to be the correct response would be to prove the tweet wrong rather than scream racist.
How dare you! Elon Musk should probably check with his CEO friends of color to see how big of a lump he just asked them to swallow after he spitted it in their faces! And you. . . How dare you! I've see some really ignorant White "ROCKS" (as in he is a 'rock' who can't think his way out of a box but is smart enough to show up everyday for work) on jobs everyday and they have great jobs owing to their ability to just sit 'tight' and show up for the span of a twenty year career. . .you know: feed the babies they're having with the "lucky" mom.
How dare you ask people of color to go the extra distance to prove anything to such people at that!
The correct response would be to read the article which answers that question.
So yes, the typical student at these schools do have significantly lower IQs than the average pilot.
It seems from your response that your reading ability is impaired or lacking this evening or your just being yourself, defending the indefensible.
Another substance free response from you. Typical.
Happy that a person of your intellect appreciated it.
have you noticed that collared mackerel snappers have to travel in pairs now?
So who would you rather have flying your plane other than the best qualified pilot?
Who said it wouldn't be...Oh that's right Elon if they people of color.
Right. This will be the only DEI program that takes only the best qualified applicants.
Did you fail to get into a DEI program being a wannabe? It really seems to upset you, which is great, love to see mindless rants.
It's United Airlines with the program and I'm sure that they would put unqualified employees in charge of billions of dollars worth of equipment and hundreds of thousands of lives.
Do you really have any idea of what your taking about.?
Again, making it personal because you can't construct an argument. Sad. I've tried to help you out down below with an actual argument because you are floundering but maybe you need more help to try and keep up? Or are you happy just flinging poo and calling names?
No need to construct an argument since watching you rant is worth billions.
Good to know. So tell me how DEI makes sure the best qualified person is accepted into the program.
Whether your the best or not if you cannot excel in the program, (which has very strict standards) you're washed out.
Not that difficult to figure out.
If it is so worrisome for you perhaps it's best if you don't fly on United.
Seems he has distaste for United, and like those he prefers to emulate, by his own written words, i'd have to assume he prefers Divided. Much easier to conquer I've heard, and the herd is preferred divided, for just such occasions.
Donald Trump Jr, a jagoffs jagoff, went down these lines on his podcast a day or two ago. He vented about how diversity would make flying unsafe or not as safe as it could be, implying that people of color are not intelligent enough to fly airplanes.
Then he went further and said that he also wanted the best doctors , and implied that whites were the best in the medical field as well.
I had heart valve replacement (tavr) this past August, and my regular cardiologist , an Asian, recommended I go see his colleague, another Asian doctor. I did, and he was funny, reassuring, and extremely confident. He probably should be because he lectures on tavr heart valve replacement in front of medical groups. Before the procedure nurses at the hospital asked me who was doing the operation and when I told them his name they just said "he is the best".
Don Jr. and Musk are fools, and have an audience of fools.
And their all aboard a ''ship of fools''.
We know Don Jr. is a fool, because he apparently can not get his mentally challenged Dad to stop spending money on high-priced lawyers and the family businesses and trust funds are about to take further and painfully deep hits. One can be forgiven for asking why the fool is not checking Dad instead of talking about people of color who are getting ahead-in spite of people like him trying to keep them down!
Huh! I think airlines should worry about how well their aircraft are constructed
what? you don't like the idea of flying 400mph in an elongated aluminum can built by the lowest bidders?
... at around 30K feet in altitude?
Not really. I've taken a liking to my sking
This is the post on X that Musk responded to
If that isnt racism nothing is.
Yeah, that is pretty bad.
This is an interesting read though:
I am going to closely read/check out the bigoted responses that cross the 'wire' on this article. Elon Musk's disrespect WILL cost him in a myriad of ways. Arrogance personified. It is not enough that he is a really smart man, he had to go and exhibit what an authentic 'fool' he is and its not the weed problem. It's him, all him, doing weed a 'disservice.'
Here's the tweeter's response:
Here are a few of the ridiculous claims in the article: — “The majority of students at these schools [Delaware State and Elizabeth City State] have scores that are at or just below the national average” LMAO. Only 17 schools in the entire country have a lower mean SAT than Delaware State's (910 combined), and Elizabeth City State student performance on the SAT (965) ranks among the 80 worst in the country. (There are about 3,000 4-year institutions in the US.) https:// collegesimply.com/colleges/rank/ colleges/lowest-sat-scores/ … —
“These [SAT] scores are nowhere near an indication of 'borderline intellectual impairment'” A 910 SAT score (on the current test version) is the equivalent of an IQ below 90 (and remember a lot of the school's students score below 910) , which is, in fact, as I stated in my tweet, well within 10 points of the threshold of “borderline intellectual impairment,” clinically defined as one that might occur at an IQ between 71 and 85. —
“A huge body of research shows that IQ isn’t a good measure of cognitive ability.” No such “large body of research” exists. The percentage of scientists conducting research into human intelligence who believe IQ isn't a good measure of general intelligence is almost certainly in the single-digits. IQ's core effects replicate with ease. Its predictive validity is unmatched in psychology. Thread with sources here: https:// twitter.com/PaoloShirasi/s tatus/1546868267830108160 …
— “Socio-economic status plays a major role in test scores” Sure, but it doesn't explain the race gaps. The highest decile of black earners in the US (the most privileged blacks) do not outscore the lowest decile of white earners (the least privileged whites) on the SAT, and at every decile there's a (usually significant) gap between whites and blacks. SES does not explain race gaps on the SAT, and equalizing income doesn't close them.
— “The College Board, which writes and administers the SAT, says that the test is not designed to measure intelligence” This is correct! The SAT is not designed to measure intelligence. In fact, the College Board has gone out of its way over the last several decades to try to make the test less and less a test of intelligence IN AN EFFORT TO CLOSE THE EMBARRASSINGLY PERSISTENT RACIAL GAPS ON THE TEST. But what The Root doesn't mention is that even though the g-loading of the test has been deliberately reduced over time, THE SAT STILL CORRELATES WITH IQ (at about 0.70), and the reason that it still correlates with IQ is because if you remove too much of the test's g-loading (its ability to measure general intelligence) the test will no longer be able to do what it is supposed to do, which is: Measure the potential for college success. IQ predicts academic success.
— “The SAT mirrors racial inequality.” Well of course it does because that inequality is substantially driven by differences in each group's distribution of general intelligence, which the SAT — despite being reworked over and over again to make it less g-loaded in order to reduce the race score gaps — still measures reasonably well. All the SAT results are doing is showing us, once again, that outcomes, especially educational ones, are influenced by general intelligence. It's no accident that in most of the important group outcomes in the US (such as income and educational attainment), we see this rank-order: 1. Asians (106 mean IQ) 2. Whites (100 mean IQ) 3. Blacks (85 mean IQ) The scientific literature contains hundreds of studies finding that IQ is associated with important life outcomes, sometimes even more strongly than any other variable.
All of that is racism. You should be ashamed to post it here.
Such people are wickedness personified. They will say any negative shit they can to demean other people as an explanation for why they are SUPER-SIZED JERKS who go way back. Nothing stupid and cruel about people of color whom have squarely faced the worse forms of hatred and its repeat repercussions is beyond jerks ability to vocalize. This is why they don't want society to change: They can't change.
It is their pitifully, sad, and disgusting minds that are the bane of this country, but. . .we're stuck with them. . . and they propagate like 'rabbits' too!
Those are arguments that can be proven/disproven. Try it.
The flaw in the argument, which none of the racism screamers mere have managed to pick up on, is that he's using the average student at these schools IQ (which is low) and not the IQ's of any students who may actually enter the program.
The arguments are either right or wrong. Simply claiming racism (a term that no longer has much meaning) doesn't address whether the claims are true or not.
Well, Sean, then all pilots should be Asian since they blow everyone else out of the water.
No, because all asians are not the same, nor are people of any other race.
Well Sean, if race has no meaning then you should be up and arms that Elon Musk is "X-ing" about it. But, you are not up in arms about what Elon Musk "X'ed." I am clear as to why you are not.
Wait, but then all blacks are not the same either, right?
Of course not. Who claimed they were?
You have posted opinion on this seed which purports to reinforce the claim that blacks are not intelligent enough to fly airplanes. If that was not your intention, then why did you post those comments ?
USING IT FOR WHAT ?
The "tweeter" connects black students at these colleges to a lack of the "necessities" to fly airplanes.
If he, or you , dont intend to use averages to disqualify black candidates to be pilots, what the fuck is the point of his argument?
Agreed. Those calling you a racist are simply reacting, not actually considering what you are saying, which is easier than dealing with what it would mean if what you are saying is correct.
Perrie brought out a point that I thought points to where the actual problem lies and it isn't race.
One can just go the easy way and think the explanation is racial but I don't think it is. I think the answer for the differences being talked about here is cultural. Asian children, as I understand it, have a much higher degree of pressure to succeed and make something of themselves than any other racial group that I have seen. Compare that to here where, regardless of racial group, more and more children's primary target in life is self-image, money, reputation, entertainment and other less academically focused endeavors.
As for me, I don't think you're racist. I think you're just trying to actually discuss the issue, which is taboo to a lot of people here. They much prefer the anonymity of not standing out, apparently. If they were seen actually thinking about what you've said, someone might call them racist, after all.
It never was about disqualifying black pilots. It was about the stupidity of having a less qualified pilot take the place of a more qualified pilot in order to satisfy a DEI agenda. There's nothing I've seen that said what Musk or anyone else, not a Musk hater, has said that I found to be overtly racist. Hard to be sure because although the article above has links to other articles that supposedly link to what Musk said, I was never actually able to read what Musk actually said, only what the writer claims Musk was saying. Kind of hard to decide under those circumstances.
Musk retweeted a tweet that specifically compares, negatively, the AVERAGE IQ's of HBCU students and existing airline pilots. The inference is as plain as day.
The word average is used in order to disqualify black would be pilots, at least in the tweeters mind, and presumably in Musk's as well.
You can continue to try and spin this though.
I am just sitting here wondering how the "F" (cutting all the way through the pretty BS floating on the surface) we are supposed to get experienced pilots of color (PoC) numbers up. . .when they have to deal with the shit of PERSUADING nosy-ass MAGAs they are worthy of the effort being put in to do so. Do try to explain. . . but I bet MAGAs won't even try, because MAKING SENSE and not just being passionate critics of the so-called Left is what MAGAs do.
DEI are just bad in the eyes and minds of narrow-minded people who never wanted this country to be diverse, equitable, and inclusive from its start. Don't hide and throw shit. Come out where ever you all are and own your worldview.
I thought that it is illegal for an employer to discriminate for or against a job applicant because of his or her race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age , disability or genetic information.
Don't worry about it. You have enough to think about already. Let policy-makers and legislatures do their jobs.
What me worry?
It's not a finite number.
Why would you imagine that somehow I'm preventing them?
prove that that has ever happened.
There are no white pilots in China, fewer in Africa, but the USA has a culture of hiring USAF white, male pilots to the tune of 93% of todays pilots are still white, male, veterans.
Not in Nigeria or Israel.
It's a cultural and racist issue.
It will slowly correct itself as my generation fades away and gives in to the shortages of qualified pilots with the "right stuff" regardless of the color of their skin or their IQs.
The pilots changing the face of aviation | CNN
Home - ORGANIZATION OF BLACK AEROSPACE PROFESSIONALS (obap.org)
United Aviation Academy seeks diversity, to recruit more Blacks, women (usatoday.com)
Don't forget that aviation is basically still in its infancy, it's just not very diverse in the area between Canada and Mexico as far as pilots go.
It's petty 'Americans' who do all they can to obstruct , block , treat as inferior , and disincentivize blacks and other marginalized people to not aspire to success (while they remove all 'barriers' to their own MAGA successes-just see congress rolling out the 'red carpet' for a dog like Trump: even to the GOP itself ) . Incidentally, if Trump could not control the GOP he would not wish or be a part or play 'second fiddle' to any other of its members. Gullible MAGAs gave him their political 'world' and he is 'bulldogging" it into the ground.
But here we are with MAGA and its affiliates doing and writing whatever negative partisan thing they can to discount people of color who are getting out from under their 'foot.' It's disgusting. First, MAGAs whine that minorities can't achieve, then they say minorities won't achieve, then they whine about how minorities achieve and the circle completes itself by 'looping.'
Incidentally, you will never, ever, read MAGAs writing about the black and other minorities who excel as pilots. Who won out by breaking through the distractions and became pilots because they passed every hurdle lain in their path by envious, mischievous, and malicious haters or strivers against minority placemen or equality in this land we love. A case in point:
Patrice Clarke-Washington
In 1994, Clarke-Washington became the first African American woman to serve as a captain for a major U.S. airline. Patrice Clarke-Washington worked as a captain for the United Parcel Service, better known as UPS. UPS is one of the air express carriers specializing in rapid delivery of high-priority packages which rose to prominence after deregulation in the 1970s. One of her uniforms from 1998 resides in the museum's collection .
How do you know what that tweet was or what it said. I don't. Know why? Because it isn't in the article above. Go to the original article and click on all the links in it and you won't find it in any of those, either. In fact, you won't find links to much of what Musk has said at all. Only the person writing an opinion piece they're trying to pass off as an actual story. In short, nothing that allows one to make their own decisions. Musk has posted racist rhetoric because they say he has. Sorry, but I'm going to need a bit more than that. There's absolutely nothing in the article that can be taken as fact because he doesn't present any actual evidence.
So, here's my what-should-be-obvious question. Why should this have anything to do with HBCU's, or any other college, at all? If there is a racist reason for the apparently unsatisfactory number of black pilots in airlines, would not logic dictate that the problem just might lie with the airlines? Or, maybe there simply aren't enough black people qualifying to satisfy whatever magic number of black pilots there should be because they don't meet the qualifications? In either case, what does involving colleges, black or not, have to do with fixing that?
As far as I can tell from what I largely suspect is simply a hit piece on Musk, The impression I get is that Musk, and whatever tweet he was agreeing with, had to do with their perceived perception of what amounts to a pilot being hired more to DEI than qualification. That is not a racist concern, but a valid one, in my opinion. Unfortunately, I can't come to a conclusion one way or the other because there's nothing here.
As far as your "AVERAGE IQ's", whether that is racist or not depends on whether or not it's true or false. Simple as that.
More likely, as an airline, they would want to hire an already trained pilot of heavies with thousands of hours already under their belt. The military is a natural source for that. Whether it's anyone's fault that most of those pilots are white can be examined, but I'm not going to fault airlines for doing the smartest, cheapest thing they can do to obtain qualified pilots.
On a side note, I'm not a fan of any airline hiring any college kids as pilots. Let them start as cargo haulers until they have experience built up or go through the military.
Don't have a problem with that changing. I don't care what the pilot looks like who is flying me and my family members, as long as they were the best qualified when they were hired. Just like I don't care what my doctor looks like and for the same reason.
No, he hasn't. Like the writer of the article above, that is simply how you are characterizing it.
My guess would be to include some actual facts in the conversation lacking in the article???
If you cant see the implications of those statements then there is no point in continuing to discuss this.
You said "implications", plural. That means more than one, right? Are you aware of any of them other than the one you prefer? I doubt it, since your only contribution to the discussion is that even discussing it is racist. I'm going to tell you what I see.
Assuming that what is in the quote you provided is true and accurate, it has a problem. While it seems to be true that two of the three colleges United Airlines is partnering with really are at the shallow end of the SAT pool, that in itself doesn't mean there are no capable individuals who could pass the program United offers. It's a Bell curve and there's bound to be some of those. They just attend those colleges because they can't afford to go anywhere else. So, simply stating those statistics doesn't mean there are no individuals who could qualify.
However, those colleges are at the shallow end of the SAT pool and, like it or not, they give the SAT for a reason. The problem with that is, according to United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby...
Fine. But the concern is that if United actually wants to increase the number of non-white pilots, why try and draw from such a shallow pool? Is it more important that they are HBCU's? That's what a lot of people are afraid of. That standards are going to be lowered for those students in order to attain DEI goals. For the last decade we've seen plenty of examples where skin color and/or gender were the primary qualification for a job and then actual performance qualifications second. This is a legitimate concern.
Of course, it may be that United will not lower its standards and are partnering with these schools simply for the PR angle. It would be an explanation for fishing in such shallow waters.
Or, United is making a sincere effort and has no intention of lowering standards for students from those schools. That's what I hope is true. I'm happy for whomever they manage to find there. I just have my doubts about how many pilots they're going to find. Every student with a higher SAT score, no matter the color, wants to get into the best school they can manage.
In the end, it's possible the guy you quoted said what he said out of racist motives. Impossible to tell from simply that post. It's also possible he said it because of a concern United is considering DEI more important than qualifications; something not out of the realm of possibility. Again, no way to tell what the guy's motive was.
But, hey. Keep on trying to shame anyone who doesn't toe your line. It's your thing.
In ONE PARAGRAPH he compared the IQ of pilots to the IQ of students at black colleges, and said the black IQ's were "borderline intellectual impairment" and you think there is no racial implication ? What is wrong with you ?
And yet when they do provide the industry qualified pilots using methods and certifications-you look for an alternative that does not INCLUDE (Inclusive) their policy, and you disapprove. Perhaps, they should just let MAGAs decide who is worthy to be a pilot.
The irony is there is no pleasing some conservatives that does not involve letting them run 'everything.' Because Lord knows, some conservatives have an opinion about damn near everything regarding "Others" and what they can be or do in this country.
Apparently, the paragraph you posted here isn't the one you're talking about now because I can't find anywhere in it where he actually says black IQ's are anything, one way or the other. The paragraph I'm looking at says By contrast, the mean IQ of grads from two of those United Airline HBCU "partners" is about 85 to 90, based on the average SATs at those schools. He's not even talking about students. He's talking about grads. The graduation rate at Delaware State University is only 37% and, since the guy seems to have done some research, is probably aware that not all of those grads are black. If grads by race are reasonably close to enrolment, it means that about 67% are black and the rest white, Hispanic or other races so he couldn't be referring to only black IQ's.
I wonder if the only reason United even partnered with Delaware is that it was one of the few, maybe one of the only three HBCU's that actually had aviation programs.
I think the problem here is that as soon as the word "black" appears in this it becomes about race for you. Maybe you ought to actually check your assumptions?
Where did I say I disapprove of what United is doing? I actually approve of what they are doing, as long as the students at these colleges have to meet the same standards as any other, without exception. Well, that isn't entirely accurate. I would prefer that if an airline were going to help any college student, regardless of race, that they help them qualify to be pilots for the military first and a promise of a job afterwords if they are successful. Get some experience there first. There should be a preference for military pilots over college students simply because they served their country. But that's me.
Cut the BS. What MAGAs are afraid of is fear itself! Always have to FIND something to complaint about! And then MAGAs informs other MAGAs what they should fear and make repeat noises against.
Musk has his problem with exploding test rockets and liftoffs that do not make it to space many times! And yet he "deathwishes" HBCU pilots trained by the industry. Give them the chances he gives himself/Space X. BTW, Musk's projects are partially funded by government grants too!
That is the point, you are not an aviation policy-maker. You have no responsibility to bring Others into the aviation field where more pilots are needed. You don't understand the matrices involved or problem-solving as the leaders in the aviation community, nor do you make EXCEPTIONS for the future of the pilots programs. Additionally, if the industry is short of pilots and in need of a new supply 'source' or 'stock' - it seems to be 'running out' of White men with "SUPERIOR" TEST SCORES. . . . The industry is looking elsewhere because it likely has no other choice but to evolve/involve Others.
Finally, you don't know what you are complaining about, but insist on NO EXCEPTIONS out of some tradition that hates seeing outsiders and others advance. For that alone, I could hate everything for which you stand!
this is the tweet that Musk responded to, according to the seeded article
i/o on X: "The average IQ of USAF pilots is about 120, and the figures I've seen for major airline pilots range from 115 to 130. By contrast, the mean IQ of grads from two of those United Airline HBCU "partners" is about 85 to 90, based on the average SATs at those schools. (The SAT…" / X (twitter.com)
i copied and pasted it two days ago as a comment on this seed
i am not wrong about this, i am quoting the tweet that is the backbone of this entire controversy
you are making excuses for all this, and i have to wonder why
The FAA isn’t responsible either, airlines are. I don’t know of a causal between high IQ and piloting or a college degree for that matter. Airline are short pilots then they have to alter recruiting.
Drop the 4 year degree requirement, broaden training facilities, add signing bonuses, increased pay, and boost benefits. This isn’t rocket science.
Whatever works. The aviation policy-makers chose DEI. Elon Musk can suck on it.
For finding FAA employees, not pilots.
I have not mentioned the FAA. I am talking about airline corporations with diversity programs helping marginalized groups engage and involve themselves in the aviation field. I don't know what or why you are having trouble with this. And I don't plan on trying to figure it out. My statement stands. And you can just go with it or leave it alone.
Oh, so not government policy makers.
8.1.23 was responded to by member addressed so it stays, charger
Excuses. Okay. Well, I can see I'm not making any headway with you and am not likely to. Trying to explain to you why it's a fool's game to make the judgements you do based on fragments of what is obviously a larger conversation held elsewhere has been made and rejected. Won't trouble you further.
Elon Musk?
stone cold racism.
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And yet, some of MAGA has been displaced by people of color: Rising. Just keep talking shit as we continue struggling against the MINDFUCKS that MAGA brings on a cyclic basis to this nation. That is, MAGA argues the wrong side of damn near 'everything.' It is a stupid form of power-play. And, all it really accomplishes is to slow down progress in this nation and in the surrounding world.
It's great to see you defending racism.
What's racist about it? Please explain.
You cant apply traits that belong to individuals to a group. If blacks are less intelligent then why arent all of them less intelligent? I'm sure there are many many black people who are more intelligent than you or I am, and I have a well above average IQ.
If your unable to see it in the article, there is nothing I can do to help you out.
Of course you can. It's not racist to say the average Dane is taller than the average Chinese male. Then again I'm sure some would claim it is. Nor would that mean a Chinese man can't be taller than a Danish male. It's simply averages.
So do you endorse Eugenics?
Lol. Define what you think eugenics is. If you think anything I wrote can be interpreted as an endorsement of Eugenics, you are mistaken.
How do you know? Maybe height is an important criteria for some people.
To say that blacks shouldnt be airline pilots because they are not intelligent enough is racism. It is stereotyping individuals based on a perceived or imagined group difference.
The HBCU students were granted interviews with the airline, not guaranteed jobs. One would presume the airline will reject candidates who dont meet their criteria.
And you think we should use averages to determine who should be allowed to fly airplanes. And if you dont think that is the case, what is the point of posting the things you have on this seed?
You think height can be racist because it matters to people?
Nothing can better prove my point that "racism" is now a meaningless concept.
Of course it could if it was important to people.
You might want to read this from UVA, to see why I asked you that.
And then think about why does it matter to Musk?
I guess he never heard of the Tuskegee Airmen?
" A fighter pilot is a mathematician, an athlete, and a sharpshooter. He has got to know what is going on in his plane. . . the heart of a fighter [plane] is steel and copper. . .it's bloodstream is gas and oil, but its brain is the man who flies it."
Yeah, it's just averages when determining someone's qualifications/intelligence to be a pilot.
Actually there's another aspect to this.
Obviously height is easy to measure. But actually intelligence is a little trickier.
For starters, there are different types of intelligence.
And many people confuse "intelligence" with other traits, such as "common sense". (A highly intelligent person may lack common sense--and vice-versa).
A person may be high in "Verbal intelligence"_- but low in "Emotional Intelligence".
Then there's the trait of "analytic skills"-- which is different than "Intuition">
And what about the world's greatest artists (certainly brilliant in an artistic sense) but who may or may not be intelligent in other areas.)
And so on.
In my experience, motivation is a better indicator of academic success than IQ.
A repeat reminder that like everything else people of color have to defend about themselves, here is another Jerk who crashes rocket 'ships' at will while looking for his ticket to the big leagues and then when he got there he 'parked' a damn car in space. Nobody said a word! We applauded it. Stupid as it is (as if anybody could drive it with no roads to make contact with it).
People of Color have been dealing with bigmouthed bigots Non-stop for way too long. These jerks just never let up! They always have their damn mouths open seeking toxins out of them into the stream of consciousness!
The good news. Blacks and Others have taken 'everything' these dogs have thrown out and down in their nasty and vicious and we are 'rising' and we will be and continue to be successful and take first/top spots right along beside "them."
Let the struggle continue, because bigots are jealous - then and now!
Arvo..I called Elon Musk a maggot years ago after his disgusting comments re one of the rescue divers in Thailand of the soccer team stuck in the caves..
I still stand by my comment and even more so with the morons comments over the last 12 months..
I rest my case..
I remember that incident, he was scum then and he is racist/scum now but there are those that will defend him no matter what he has to say.
Where was these Jerks complains about a past history of numerous plane crashes that 'built' aviation into the industry (and community of fliers and "the flown") we know and trust (like a 'Trailways bus' in the skies of the world) today ? Those pilots learning their skills (and crashing and burning with passengers along with crews) did not get this line of argument from the usual suspects of which it is clear Elon Musk has exposed himself to be one (of them).
Elon's moment of reality (upcoming):
Digest this.........................
Not quite sure why the left is so up in arms about this. They and the Democrats have been making this claim for years. That's why things like Affirmative Action and it's updated racist nonsense DEI have been and are in existence.
You never know anything positive about liberals and independents that I can discern. That's not new. No need to waste time discussing it.
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Easy enough to understand.
So you can't do it either.
Wow. Still writing. Less open engagement with others , I see.
Ridiculous comment. Racial prejudice accounts for those programs, not intelligence differences.
So you are saying you are in agreeance with Musk? That's what it looks like to me.
So, Jeremy since you seem to think you have some expertise on race and racism I wondering where that expertise comes from, perhaps being white gives this ability to understand the history both past and present of race and racism and minorities' feelings and experiences. Is that the reason or is it that you don't understand a thing about being a minority but have to hold yourself up and tell us what we feel and experience? Like the ''Great White Father'' syndrome?
There is A LOT of speculation in your statement. None of it answers my question.
Are you are in agreeance with Musk? It's a pretty straight forward question.
MAGA wants us all to be "friends" as long as we join their hierarchy. . .at the bottom. And wait to be told when we can move up (slow-crawl). BTW, you will have to come to your own conclusions about MAGAs, because they don't do reasonable discussion. It's all tilted to their worldview and they like to think they control the discussions.
Not really, simply a question as to why you seem to think that your view is that of an expert on race/racism and the experiences of minorities. Your response to that was a spectacular failure so I guess that we're led to believe that. ''you don't understand a thing about being a minority but have to hold yourself up and tell us what we feel and experience? Like the ''Great White Father'' syndrome?''
Thank you for that admission of ''know nothingness''.
Just calling out the obvious hypocrisy. You seem to take issue with it. Wonder why.
Just curious about why you are deflecting from my question.
What is obvious hypocrisy to you is called reality to most people. No need to wonder because it only exists in your mind.
You shouldn't be curious about it since the answer is there you just choose to ignore it.
My comment isn't there for you to like or dislike. It is there to learn from and if it offends you even better. Because you'll be less likely to repeat your inability to reason and learn about something that you know nothing about.
It's a simple yes or no question. It's not complicated. If you agree with Musk the answer is "yes". If you disagree with Musk, then the answer is "no". Nothing required anything close to what you tried to gaslight me with.
I wasn't gaslighting you simply explaining to you that you have no knowledge or experience in being a minority which gives you a much different view of racist/racism. Your lack of understanding isn't my problem.
FYI, I think that Musk is a racist asshole, and has been for some time. This isn't the first time nor will it be the last, it was just a few weeks ago that he went off on another tangent/rant, about Jews if I remember correctly.
Also consider his company, Telsa and the racism problem they are facing.
Could be. I really don't know.
However if there is an under-representation of Blacks amongst pilots, it may or may not be due to discrimination. There are other possibilities.
For example, its possible a lower percentage of Blacks my want to become pilots. Its probably not a profession that's talked about much-- or admired a lot-- in the Black community who may prefer other occupations?
I say culture has the most influence on people. If you look at the NBA you can clearly see that Black players not only dominate the sport but have brought it to a level of excellence. I am sure that Black Americans could master any endeavor that they are encouraged via culture to value.
nice backhanded racial stereotype...
For example, its possible a lower percentage of Blacks my want to become pilots. Its probably not a profession that's talked about much-- or admired a lot-- in the Black community who may prefer other occupations?
I say culture has the most influence on people. If you look at the NBA you can clearly see that Black players not only dominate the sport but have brought it to a level of excellence. I am sure that Black Americans could master any endeavor that they are encouraged via culture to value.
Here's a story that appeared a while back which I found to be fairly humorous. A somewhat "extremist" Jewish group picketed Madison Square Garden claiming discrimination against Jews in basketball. They demanded that the NY Knicks have the same percentage of Jews on their team as the percentage of Jews in the general population. ("Affirmative Action").
Needless to say they were not successful in heir efforts.
LOL!
I wonder how many BB coaches are Jewish?
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interesting
start at 2:30 - the topic ends at about 13:20
NOTE : This is beautiful. Triumphant. Who in their right mind would criticize diversity, equity, and inclusion on account of this? Check out the woman who breaks into joyous tears over achieving (avion) success!
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Who can pick fault with this? MAGAs!!!
The racist comments endorsed by Musk are not surprising he has a history of it. His ''ventures'' have a bit of a history of racism and management's unwillingness to address it.
Now I wonder what the 'back-lash' will be for these racist statements against black youths striving to do better. I remember full well that Musk's car plants heavily employ minorities. That alone requires he tone and check his attitude-way down.
How do we feel about those who try and virtue signal and defend racism at the same time?
flag them, and politely encourage management to ignore the flags they throw down...
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yeah, like that...
Musk is at it again:
SpaceX is trying to take down the NLRB after a group of employees wrote an open letter denouncing Elon Musk's embarrassing behavior
Perhaps the government should stop funding SpaceX or any of Musk's ventures.
Musk has a god complex.
stick a 12 foot cross in the ground and I'll go get a nail gun...