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Illegal migrants and voting

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  81 comments

Illegal migrants and voting
Johnson, R-La., referred to voter registration forms that ask applicants to check a box noting that they are U.S. citizens. "If a nefarious actor wants to intervene in our elections, all they have to do is check a box on a form and sign their name," Johnson said. "That's it. That's all that's required. And there's a very small chance that illegal would get caught."


U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson is concerned about illegal migrants voting. As is, the federal ballot asks if a person is a citizen. Is anyone checking those who check the box as citizens? Johnson is sponsoring a bill that he says will ensure only U.S. citizens can vote. He says that although the practice is already banned, the government has not established safeguards to prevent it from happening.

If you check out google you will see all the leftwing fact checkers lined up claiming that it simply does not happen. They would be prosecuted, don't ya know. It is funny when you really think about it. Somebody crosses the border illegally and there are supposed to be consequences for that, but not really and we are expected to believe that illegal immigrants who are caught will face consequences.



This comes from an unlikely source, but there happens to be a huge loophole in federal election law:

18 US code S 611 voting by aliens

(a)
It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President,  Vice President , Presidential elector, Member of the  Senate , Member of the  House of Representatives , Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless—



(1) the election is held partly for some other purpose;


(2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and


(3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for a candidate for such Federal offices, in such a manner that an alien has the opportunity to vote for such other purpose, but not an opportunity to vote for a candidate for any one or more of such Federal offices.

(b) Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.



(c) Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if—



(1) each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization);


(2) the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and


(3) the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States.

18 U.S. Code § 611 - Voting by aliens | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)


I highlighted the loophole in bold. Any alien who gets caught will surely plead that.

So, the fact checkers get another FALSE rating.


 


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago


The Republican bill would require proof of citizenship to register to vote. However, in 2013, the  U.S. Supreme Court ruled  in an Arizona case that states must permit people to register for federal elections using a  federal form
 that does not require documentary proof of citizenship. States may have their own form, but they must also accept the federal form.

PolitiFact | Mike Johnson’s false claim about noncitizens registering to vote at DMV, ‘welfare’ offices

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

a bill that he says will ensure only U.S. citizens can vote. He says that although the practice is already banned, the government has not established safeguards to prevent it from happening.”

No doubt dems will oppose it. 

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.1  JBB  replied to  Gazoo @1.1    4 weeks ago

No, this is not about having to have an ID to vote. This is about making it cumbersome and difficult to register legal voters!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Why would a US citizen have difficulty proving they are a citizen?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
1.1.3  Gazoo  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Do you think minorities and low income people are too lazy, or stupid to get registered to vote?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

What is the DNC's position on it this week?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

No, republicons

 
 
 
CB
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1.2  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

Wow. Same bull. Different 4 years. The 'story' that somehow never stops giving. BTW, with all the investigations that congress is "getting to the bottom of" one could be forgiven for thinking this would be investigated already and best practices reached. I conclude Mike Johnson, Speaker, is an ignorant fool.  He should have been on this if it concerns him from 'day one' as Donald has only been running for a second term since he knew he had no choice but to do so if to have any hope of throwing the cases out!

More fearmongering. . .from the fearmongers.

Just do right by people, Mike, and you want have to always worry about the 'margins' come voter time. It really is not that hard to do!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @1.2    4 weeks ago

The federal ballot does not require proof.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

Doesn't matter.  Non-citizens/alleged illegal immigrants are not voting.

 
 
 
CB
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1.2.3  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

Not sure what that means. Please elaborate.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @1.2.3    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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1.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.2    4 weeks ago

Wow. Chastising a man because what he does doesn't suit your personal timeline.

I know you don't apply the same principle to Biden doing nothing about the border crisis.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.6  CB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.4    4 weeks ago

You may be desperate for conversation; there is no question in that brief request for a fuller explanation. That said, you have jutted your way in and Vic may not respond at all now—even if he intended to otherwise.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.7  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.5    4 weeks ago

It's election season. . . and here comes the fear-mongering hacks with their ghoulish political 'parlor' game designed to snag the unwary by their low-information feet!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.2.7    4 weeks ago

And here cone the deniers ignoring reality!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @1.2.6    4 weeks ago
You may be desperate for conversation

Guilty, but only for a CB conversation.

there is no question in that brief request for a fuller explanation

No, just dangerously close.

That said, you have jutted your way in and Vic may not respond at all now

Sorry for my jut.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.10  CB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.9    4 weeks ago

No, you're not sorry. That dry wit of yours routinely takes liberties to insert itself. It is as if you are compelled to do so.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.11  Sparty On  replied to  CB @1.2.10    4 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.11    4 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
1.2.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @1.2.10    4 weeks ago
It is as if you are compelled to do so.

It relieves the anxiety of my obsessions.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.14  Sparty On  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.11    4 weeks ago

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Split Personality
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1.2.15  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

And?  Or should I say, so what.

Who administers federal elections?  States do.

States require, voter registration cards, drivers licenses and, or passports,

all of which require you prove your citizenship.

The Speaker is just fear mongering to create a solution for a non existent problem.

You make a huge fuss about this each election season and are usually rewarded by

more cases of Republicans than Democrats.

Mike should go back to the drawing board and find a bipartisan solution to a bipartisan problem,

Ooops, It's federal election season and the RNC can't have any cooperation with "the enemy",

what was I thinking?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @1.2.7    4 weeks ago

You mean those making statements like 1.1.1?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  JBB    4 weeks ago

It is a both a major state and federal crime for noncitizens to vote in any state or federal elections which is why noncitizens do not vote!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @2    4 weeks ago

Except they have in the past and they will do so again. You're in denial or willfully ignorant.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.1  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    4 weeks ago

Prove It! You cannot because it is impossible to prove a negative!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.4  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

There is no proof that illegal votes have ever been attempted in any significant numbers in any state or federal elections. The small numbers of illegal voters who attempt to cast illegal ballots are easily caught and harshly punished as voter fraud is a major crime at both the state and federal level. It remains a major crime for anyone to cast illegal ballots for state and federal candidates and there is zero proof illegal votes have ever affected a result.

Far rightwing conspiracy theories saying otherwise are all lies! 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
in any significant numbers

Yes, in any significant numbers.    Love that qualification right after asking the person making the claim to prove it.    

Now finally, the admission there is voter fraud but according to your estimate it’s not that bad and it’s okay because the ones they do manage to catch get punished “harshly.”    Horseshit but great rationalization.    I guess we can call it progress though since now there is open admission there is voter fraud.

Now if only ….. we could get folks to wrap their head around the very real possibility that much voter fraud likely never gets caught.    Not with the folks checking for voter fraud being the same people who could most easily perpetrate it.

But that, I’m sure.    Is a bridge too far for the more “enlightened” crowd.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.6  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    4 weeks ago
PRESS RELEASE

Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees

Released
November 12, 2020
Revised
November 12, 2020
RELATED TOPICS:  

WASHINGTON – The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement:

“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result. 

“When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors.  There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

“Other security measures like pre-election testing, state certification of voting equipment, and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission’s (EAC) certification of voting equipment help to build additional confidence in the voting systems used in 2020.

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”


Note the date of the press release. Note that it is Donald's administration officials signed off on this press release. Donald is a stupid liar without a cause. And so is anybody else who indulges his lies.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.6    4 weeks ago

A  8-9 day investigation?

Wow!    Convincing!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.8  CB  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

They know it. They're not that stupid. It's the lie for its own sake. Liars must lie about somethinganythingeverything. They also know that nothing is perfect. . . as they can look at themselves and see! It's fearmongering to the crowd that won't change and probably can't change because well they were "born that way."

The biggest thing, the most excitement in their lives of druggery, is making attempts to f-up people lives who would not even notice their existence but for their constant theft of their rights, privileges, and attempts at controlling their livelihood.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.9  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

Make a statement and I will give it consideration. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.10  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

I will tell you this: I don't think the agencies were doing an 'investigation' —especially not  a "MAGA-styled" one. They were Donald's administration remarking on what they had seen through the run-up and receipts from the 2020 election date. Of course, non-officials, without credentials, and with big mouths talked then and continue to 'bay' about it even now (see Donald: the Ringleader). Neither, 'big mouths" nor Donald having any authority to declare an election valid or fraudulent. 

The shameless have yet again proven their shamelessness. . . four years running. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

You backing off your earlier claim that no illegal aliens ever vote now?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.10    4 weeks ago
especially not  a "MAGA-styled" one.

Yes, MAGA style vs TDS ridden style.     That is say finding the truth vs some trumped (pun intended) up version of this left wing nonsensical narrative or that.

Yep ….

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.13  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

MAGA-styled investigations don't trust the truth or even know it when it is delivered on a silver platter. The truth has no respect for illusionist, deceivers, or lies and liars.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.13    4 weeks ago

Opinions do vary …

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.15  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.14    4 weeks ago

Facts are not disturbed by opinions, nevertheless.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.15    4 weeks ago

Your opinions are not facts.

Sorry for your luck!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.17  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.16    4 weeks ago

Don't know why you would come up with that as a consideration. And, now you are getting too personal. Stop it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.17    4 weeks ago

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bugsy
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2.1.19  bugsy  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.14    4 weeks ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
2.1.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
There is no proof that illegal votes have ever been attempted in any significant numbers in any state or federal elections.

Then address 2.1.2.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3  Tessylo    4 weeks ago

Immigrants voting - NOT HAPPENING

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3    4 weeks ago

Like jbb said RE: immigrants/non-citizens, NOT VOTING, NOT HAPPENING

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    4 weeks ago

are you claiming no illegal immigrants have voted??

Really?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

No, not legally in any state or federal elections they haven't!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

I said nothing about legally

as you know.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.4  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

Yes, handfuls of ineligible illegal votes are attempted by both citizens and noncitizens, but they are easily identified and the perpetrators are uniformly prosecuted and are always harshly punished. Meaning it is not even attempted in any numbers!

 
 
 
Hallux
PhD Principal
3.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
are you claiming no illegal immigrants have voted??

The rarity of this happening is an indication of the mountain of Merde-au-Large horseshit Mike Johnson sits atop.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    4 weeks ago
t they are easily identified and the perpetrators are uniformly prosecuted and are always harshly punished

Lol. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.7  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.6    4 weeks ago

Cast illegal ballots in state or federal elections and find out!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

Some of us know there is a stark difference between proclaiming NO illegal aliens voted vs. someone claiming that it does occur, although infrequently (that we know of).

Proclaiming that there is NO illegal aliens voting is just like the fools who claim that no terrorists have crossed our southern border.

Silly.

 
 
 
Hallux
PhD Principal
3.1.9  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.8    4 weeks ago

In this case fear has caused many on the right to cross the proverbial bridge too far. The Cassandra Crossing was a lousy film full of over the top nonsense, the world does not need a redux made by the blind.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

That phonier than thou Johnson is just trying to appeal to the rabid maga base by putting forth this nonsense AGAIN for something that isn't happening.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

Why would alleged illegal immigrants vote in the first place??????

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.12  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.11    4 weeks ago

They do not even try. The handful of attempted illegal votes are inevitably detected, prosecuted and harshly punished...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.12    4 weeks ago

Prove that.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.14  devangelical  replied to  JBB @3.1.12    4 weeks ago
The handful of attempted illegal votes are inevitably detected, prosecuted and harshly punished...

... unless a republican voter does it...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.1.14    4 weeks ago

Unproven guesses do not a coherent argument make.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.15    4 weeks ago

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bugsy
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3.1.17  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.15    4 weeks ago
Unproven guesses do not a coherent argument make.

Well, then there goes pretty  much every leftist argument ever made.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.18  JBB  replied to  bugsy @3.1.17    4 weeks ago

Yet it is the MAGA falsely claiming widespread voter fraud!

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.19  bugsy  replied to  JBB @3.1.18    4 weeks ago

What is this "MAGA" you speak of?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.20  JBB  replied to  bugsy @3.1.19    4 weeks ago

You don't know? MAGA are the nutters who vote for Trump!

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.21  bugsy  replied to  JBB @3.1.20    4 weeks ago

So in a country of about 150 million registered voters, you think pretty much half the country are "nutters"? So then you are OK with most rightfully believing the other half is leftist loons.

Good to know., 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.22  JBB  replied to  bugsy @3.1.21    4 weeks ago

Are you voting for Trump? Is being called "MAGA" an insult?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.23  bugsy  replied to  JBB @3.1.22    4 weeks ago

I have said it proudly before that I will be voting for Trump. Only when leftists use the term MAGA does it mean an insult.

You are voting for Biden (notice that was not a question). Is being called a "loon" an insult?

If you believe it is, simple solution.....don't be a Biden voter.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.1.22    4 weeks ago

MAGAT

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.25  CB  replied to  bugsy @3.1.23    4 weeks ago

Well, if I may we will call you something. . . so better to clear the air and name yourselves before (too late) other do! The good news (for MAGAs) is your can clear this up easily by telling us what MAGAs wish to be named. If someone does not break the silence, then it is what it is.

Oh and by the way, we are not "loons,' we are liberals. 

I don't call MAGAs that or "MAGAns" to be insulting, I devised the names because MAGAs sit like a bump on a log when asked to declare themselves properly.

 
 
 
Hallux
PhD Principal
4  Hallux    4 weeks ago

This squirrel again? Oh dear, lock and load!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @4    4 weeks ago

it's willful ignorance season again. put on your maga hat, pass a big brass ring thru your septum, and join the party... /s

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.1    4 weeks ago

I know.  Biden on the ballot, illegals voting.  When with the Democrats do the right thing?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5  Kavika     4 weeks ago

Mike Johnson should take his own advice and check what  the bible has to say about it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @5    4 weeks ago

Too busy monitoring his son's pornography habits

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @5    4 weeks ago

his new maga bible is still being edited ...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @5    4 weeks ago

So now you WANT the Bible used for political purposes.

Inconsistent.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

Biden the dictator is just going to override federal law, grant them amnesty and allow them to vote anyway.

 
 

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