Female boxer yells 'this is unjust' and falls to her knees in tears as she quits fight against 'biologically male' Olympic opponent Imane Khelif after just 46 SECONDS following two powerful punches
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A boxer deemed a 'biological male' today won against an Italian woman in one of the most controversial Olympic bouts ever.
The fight between Italy 's Angela Carini and her Algerian opponent Imane Khelif took just 46 seconds, with the Italian throwing her helmet onto the floor as the clash was abandoned, yelling: 'This is unjust.'
The 25-year-old refused the handshake and fell to the canvas sobbing having received just two punches from Khelif - who had been banned from a major boxing contest before the Olympics .
Khelif was thrown out of last year's world championships after failing testosterone tests carried out to establish gender qualification.
After the match was stopped, the referee raised Khelif's hand in the air. But a visibly furious Carini yanked her own hand away from the fight official and walked off.
Ignoring the Algerian, the Italian fighter then plunged to her knees and burst into tears as she said she had never felt such strong blows in a contest before.
Speaking after the match, the heartbroken Italian said: 'I'm used to suffering. I've never taken a punch like that, it's impossible to continue. I'm nobody to say it's illegal.
'I got into the ring to fight. But I didn't feel like it anymore after the first minute. I started to feel a strong pain in my nose. I didn't give up, but a punch hurt too much and so I said enough. I'm leaving with my head held high.'
She said she did not walk away from the fight as a protest against her opponent's inclusion, but that was a decision for the Olympics to consider.
She was taken away for medical assessment to examine the seriousness of her facial injuries which included a bruised nose.
Carini added: 'I entered the ring and I told myself I have to take out all of myself independently from the person I had in front of me.
'And honestly, I don't care. I said to myself, 'This is my Olympics'. Independently, from all controversy, I just wanted to carry on and win.'
'I am not one that easily surrenders. Even if they told me, let's not fight, I would not have accepted it.
'I am a fighter. My father taught me to be a warrior. When I am in the ring, I use that mindset, the mindset of a warrior, a winning mindset. This time I couldn't make it.
'You all saw my nose that started bleeding. I didn't lose tonight, I just surrendered with maturity.'
'I wish her to carry on until the end and that she can be happy. I am someone who doesn't judge anyone. I am not here to give judgements.
'I simply entered the ring to fight and to fight for my dream. It didn't happen. Evidently, God and my father wanted this and I accept it.
'I am not in the position of saying this is right or wrong. I am not. I did my job as a boxer, entering the ring and fighting. I didn't manage to, but I am exiting with my head held high and with a broken heart.
'I am a mature woman, the ring is my life. I've always been very instinctive, but when I feel something is not going well, it's not a surrender but having the maturity to stop.'
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Where the rubber of progressives assault on reality hits the road. A man beats up a women for people's entertainment in the name of inclusivity.
The poor woman at the apex of her career that she's spent years to achieve has her dreams ended because of the insane delusions from the left. Very sad.
sorry, but I don't see how the american left has anything to do with this particular olympic drama, but it is pretty funny that some mackerel snapper got her bell rung by somebody, also allegedly created by an infallible omnipotent god, that apparently fell outside of the there's only 2 genders crowd's logic. no worries though, I really don't expect any theological explanations, it's just my observation of hilarious hypocrisy.
Why is this 'article' still up? It's not true.
From the AP:
Khelif was assigned female at birth and it says so on her passport, which is the International Olympic Committee’s threshold for eligibility for boxing because of the rift between the sport’s governing body and the IOC.
I could have sworn that the olympics was about athletic skill and sportsmanship. don't you find it odd that the anti-lgbtq folks so opposed to those that are happily living their own liberty guaranteed by the constitution lives, are now assigning gender to those that previously didn't meet their determined by anatomy criteria? this must be a very confusing issue to the catholic and evangelical clergy.
She is also from Algeria where being LGBTQ+ is illegal. The first fake report of her not being born female was from Russian news after she beat the snot of their woman boxer. This was after she herself was beat by Ireland's top female boxer.
I see people are still acting as though this is true despite all the facts and reality to the contrary
refusing to admit that they're wrong
Shame on the Olympic Committee.
The left has done it again.
No one should fight him. Just let him win the gold by defaults which would send a message about how shameful this is.
we should all recognize the woman who win silver as the actual gold medalist.
It is hard for those women who have prepared so diligently for these events to simply boycott them.
we should all recognize the woman who win silver as the actual gold medalist.
Now that is a great idea!
It is hard for those women who have prepared so diligently for these events to simply boycott them
100% agree. It’s a terrible situation.
'The left has done it again.'
Done what?
Hollowed out another institution.
Don't you support real biological women instead of emotionally screwed up wimpy men? If not, why not?
Condoned and promoted biological men beating the shit out of biological women.
How so?
Huh?
you can also take that logic to the ballot box...
Excellent!
I pretty sure that most normal and emotionally mature voters will take it to the ballot box, seeing that Dems in general don't support women or women's issues
... uh ... yeah, that's been clearly demonstrated in the last 2 weeks./s
what an ignorant comment.
What was the intent of Title IX? And what changes to Title IX have Biden and the Democrats pushed for over the past couple of years?
Why don't you tell us?
Why must you always defend the indefensible?
I assume you are female, if you are not please excuse me. But it is unreasonable in this day and age for a female of our age (I know you are getting ready to retire because of a conversation we had last year) that you should know what Title IX is and what it's purpose was and how it changed school sports for women. Prior to Title IX, schools didn't really care about women's sports. Oh they may have had a volleyball team or gymnastics, but there was little money and effort put in to support then. After Title IX, that all changed. How many women were able to go on to college on a scholarship because of women's sports? I grew up in a small town in Wisconsin and I know 3 who did. Without Title IX, who knows if they would have been able to go to college at all.
A much better question would be why do you not support the protections brought about by Title IX for women? I'm not talking about this boxer in particular. From my understanding of the country she is from and how the majority religion is in that country, I can only assume that yes, she was born physically female with standard female genitalia. Had she been born with male parts and attempted to live as a female then she probably would have been given a quick tour of a tall building and a fast exit over the side.
But for the record, I do not support transgender competing against women when they clearly have a physical advantage over the women in the sport due to physical differences. I assume you are a Democrat, all I can say is follow the science.
I have no clue what you're talking about regarding Title IX - and school sports and women and don't really care. I don't support transgenders competing in sports against other genders so don't lie and also don't lie about my support of it regarding LGBTQ+ and women's sports (Or whatever the fuck it is you're assuming and putting words in my mouth and moving the goalposts).
How fucking confusing.
Also, this woman is not transgender so how did we get here?
Well that's just fucking sad. Title IX was enacted and signed into law on June 23rd, 1972. It was milestone law that
Read that second paragraph please! It clearly explains what Title IX means. It meant that any and all educational program or activity that receives Federal money may not exclude on the basis of sex. For the first time, women were insured that funding for their activities were protected. Simply stated, everybody who cares about fair treatment should know what Title IX is and what it means and should definitely care about it.
Seeing how this entire seed is about the female boxer in the Olympics and your negative comment in the thread, I assumed that you were taking the current Democrat position. Sorry if I am mistaken in that.
Why do you feel the need to lecture me and tell me what you think I should know?
I dealt with Title IX at the University of Maryland and I know how it applied to the LGBTQ+ community as well. I really don't give a shit, again, how it applies to females and sports, what difference does it make as long as it does what it's intended to do, how I feel about it? And my not not giving a fuck about it? Your anecdotal evidence doesn't apply to me so spare me.
So go lecture someone else with your assumptions of what I think and know and feel and what I should think and know and feel.
Well damn. You accused me of 'defending the indefensible' as I was defending something that you don't even give a shit about. Imagine that.
I know how important having the last word is to you, above all else, so see ya.
what was your intent in deflecting?
The article is wrong but jump on it as leftist once again shows that all that is importation political gotcha.
the Algerian boxer's ring record is 37 wins 9 losses with 5 KO’s not exactly an outstanding record if she is a male fighting females the defending female Olympic champion was fought and beat her and points out she has been beaten by 9 women in her career hardly a-dominating male beating up women.
The lefts attack on women continues. America is degraded. Where are the women groups?
When will the insanity end?
They are fairly quiet when everyone gets to see it.
See what?
It’s indefensible, which is why the left won’t. They like to live in their imaginary world where gender can be changed by wishing. They don’t want to deal with the resulting reality of men punching women for “sport”
As usual BS prevails in your comment.
They keep saying 'changing gender by wishing'
How the fuck does that work and how is that we support something that doesn't exist?
Let’s make this easy for you.
Let’s say for argument sake I was born a white male. Over the years I felt different and realized I belonged in the black community because I could identify with them than my own community. To make it even more interesting, I was Gay so I decided to identify as a gay black male.
So, because I WISHED I was a black gay male, by leftist standards, you have to accept me as such. Anything less is bigoted.
Hope that clears up things for you.
which can't be explained 'cause it's ignorant bullshit
But I did but you refuse to accept reality.
No, you didn't. You engaged in a false equivalency. Khelif is not trans. This is not a matter of how she identifies. It is a matter of biological reality.
Right. He's a man who punches women.
She was born female. She grew up and represents a country where being trans is illegal.
No, he was born a male with a dsd, hence the XY chromosomes
And previously found elevated testosterone. Another symptom of the DSD.
See comment @12.1.3
Wow, still refusing to admit that you're wrong.
Explain how that can be in a country where it's illegal to do so? She'd be arrested and imprisoned attempting to transition.
The right wing bubble got played by a false Russian report making claims she failed a gender test after she beat their top boxer. This came after the Algerian was beaten by the top Irish female boxer. You guys can keep perpetuating the lie, but it doesn't make it true.
Just stop Just Jim.
After competing for seven bouts in 2023 at the Worlds, Khefil & Yu Ting were arbitrarily transported to another location where they sat. The Russian led IBA claims to have tested the two women and claims that they failed and were banned from further competition.
The removal was arbitrary and against the IBA's own rules according to the Olympic committee.
The particular tests and the results were never revealed except verbally by IBA.
These two were simply winning when they weren't supposed to according to the bettors.
That and banning them based on homophobia aren't that much of a stretch.
The IBA is a Russia led extension of the Russian mafia, putin and Gazprom; the president of the boxing association, Kremlev, elected by dubious means, is wanted for cocaine smuggling in several countries.
The way these two boxers were treated triggered the Olympics to ban the IBA.
The IBA sued the Olympics and lost.
A new World Boxing association is trying to replace the IBA.
The Algerian is 37-11 since 2019
The Taiwan boxer is 41 -14 since 2013
Should we test everyone who beat them and ban them from the sport they love?
Nope
We can solve this by them submitting to a DNA test, let’s test everyone that wants to compete in women’s sports.
But can you? If she was born and classified as a female, that probably means that she has female genitalia. So she was raised as a female. Her father says she is female, the pictures of her as a child show her as a female. She has a fighting record that indicates that she has been beaten by females 9 times before.
What makes this episode so different? Somebody cried that it was unfair. And all of you on the right side of the political spectrum glommed on like some guy was beating up their daughter.
And then it turns out that all of the stuff that you have been claiming was black and white suddenly dissolves into a spectrum of colors even without any gender preference or sexual predilection being made. You all have great gobs of egg on your face and still you pretend that it is a black and white situation.
Disgusting.
Dozens of comments displaying willful ignorance and dishonesty in support of bigotry and hate.
Well, they are for Trump, mostly
Fine, are you a Russian sympathizer?
Please prove you are not.
Maybe you need to reread the comment i responded to in order to help you understand mine.
Glad I can help
Solve what Esquire? Your suggestion sounds unconstitutional.
The topic of that comment, and the comment to which it responded, and the topic of the subthread started at 3.2, as well as the topic of the thread in general, was transgenderism. Tessy was responding to people, including you, who continue to state or imply that Khelif is transgender, despite piles of evidence to the contrary.
I say you're engaging in false equivalencies because you are.
Then you would be wrong.
I answered to one post and one post only, not the entire thread.
Now, to show your post was a lie, I want you to show where I either stated or implied the person is a transgender.
Your entire comment was clearly making fun of the idea that one's identity is determined by one's psychology, and was in response to Tessy's comment about "changing gender by wishing".
That's transgenderism.
The article and thread are about an athlete who is being falsely accused of transgenderism, attacks on women, etc.
So, we are left to assume that you either
They drug-test NFL players. And this has NOTHING to do with the Constitution.
1. Competing in the Olympics is not a constitutional right, you don't need to be a lawyer to know that.
2. They already test for performance enhancing drugs.
3. It sounds like you support cheating to win, prove that you do not.
Correct, and we have nothing to do with how the INTERNATIONAL Olympic Committee conducts it business.
But I would bet that smarter INTERNATIONAL lawyers would not allow the IOC to test just women's DNA for defects.
Nobody said anything about defects unless you consider a Y chromosome a defect.
Wouldn't be much of a point to DNA test men as I doubt any trans would want to compete in the men's competitions.
Yet I'M the one refusing to accept reality.....
Correct. It's a privilege that starts with the country the athlete represents.
The Olympics do, that is correct. In some cases they test for hormonal levels. The IOC sounds like they are dead set against getting involved in DNA testing.
Define cheating when the IBA admits it did not do a standard testosterone test but rather a different although "equally reliable" test that they cannot name nor produce results for. Cheating is in the Russian DNA, especially at the Olympics, that's no state secret.
Looks like the IBA, which has been at odds with the IOC over finances, methodology and fairness for 6 years, lost in court to the IOC again this week but actually scored big with a year long smear against two unattractive women boxers by claiming they are "bio males" in spite of the boxer's families, countries, the country's boxing commissions and doctors, the ITA and the IOCs own positions that they are indeed female with normal testosterone levels.
I support hard evidence, not hearsay or inuendo, not unproven claims by a Russian boxing association with ties to Putin and sponsored by Gazprom, and I am certainly not swayed by the fever of social justice warriors hiding behind their keyboards on the internet.
The only thing more shameful is the women from Italy and Bulgaria who bought into the lies and claimed foul when they lost. They are boxers aren't they?
Pretty easy. He has a DSD. Doctor made a mistake with the improperly formed genitalia at birth.
It just happened with Caster Semanya.
You guys can keep perpetuating the lie, but it doesn't make it true.
Except there's no evidence it's not true other than ad hominem claims.
But if it is true, and he does have XY chromosomes, internal testes and male testosterone levels, do you still think he should fight women?
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I find it hilarious you based your 'facts' on a biased Russian source, because you have an identity politics problem.
You have no facts, other than saying nun unh..
Why won’t you answer the question?
Your question is biased since you repeatedly refer to this athlete as 'he'. So I have no expectation of objectivity on your part.
The gray area between the clearly male and clearly female sex is obviously full of biological complexity. Since we are trying to draw a line (make a simplistic linear distinction) the biological factors will make this a very difficult task.
I do not know how to draw the line when in the grayest areas. My first reaction is to look at genitalia at birth. Penis=male; no penis=female. But when there is a combination of genitalia we now have to try to make a linear distinction in a complex, inherently, nonlinear set of factors. I do not expect to see a clear answer.
In principle, I am against a biological male competing in a division designed for biological females. But being realistic, human beings come in all sorts of variations and there are some genetically strong women on the planet. Their strength gives them an advantage but we would never consider making them compete against men.
In this case, the reporting I have seen overwhelmingly indicates that Khelif is a biological female. She has elevated testosterone levels (compared to the average female) and possibly has some XY chromosomes (an oddity). So she is in the gray area. But with female genitalia and no question about being raised as a female since birth, I will stick with her being female until we have some clear, convincing, logical evidence based on science that shows that she is more male than female and should thus be considered male in binary decisions such as Olympic competition.
some clear, convincing, logical evidence based on science
scientific evidence is, of course, possessing XY chromosomes and male levels of testosterone. If you don’t accept that, are just using calls for more scientific evidence which you will almost certainly never find satisfactory as a cover to allow your subjective feelings to be determinative.
That he was raised as a girl is meaningless, if you actually care about science.
I noted both the elevated testosterone and potentially having XY chromosomes (as well as XX chromosomes).
So at what point does elevated testosterone determine that an individual is male? Give me the scientific number.
What percentage of XY chromosomes determine that an individual is male? Give me the scientific number.
My point is that you do not know. You do not know because this has not been scientifically determined. This is the gray area where we have yet to figure out how to make a linear distinction given a number of inherently nonlinear biological factors.
How about being raised female given she does not have a penis? Does that matter to you?
After all this time of the far right insisting that sex was binary. That children were either male or female without any exceptions. Now that reality has rarred its head they are going all whackywoo.
The true incidence of intersex birth has always been grossly underreported for obvious very personal reasons. Nobody wants their childs sexual identity speculated about by parents and other students. Historically in most cases a very early decision was made to assign as female when the baby's sex was indeterminate because that is easiest to address surgically.
Historically, women athletes succeeded by having typical male qualities like bigger muscles or just being bigger than average females. Questioning these women's sex is a can of worms!
So in your learned opinion, merely possessing some XY chromosomes means you are a male. And merely having elevated levels of testosterone means you are male. Forget that she was born sans penis.
This is all what you deem. No quantification, no scientific basic, just your opinion.
You are not making a scientific argument. You are simply insisting that this individual is a male because she ostensibly has some XY chromosomes (along with XX chromosomes) and has an elevated testosterone level.
Except those variations can be, and in this case are, within normal natural ranges. The whole point of athletics is to honor exceptional talents, those who are naturally bigger, stronger and faster...
Best I can tell Imane Khelif was born and raised a biological woman.
So, what is the problem? Her looks? Turkish women are handsome...
He has Male chromosomes and hormones. It’s why he’s been previously banned from fighting women.
Born and raised does not trump chromosomes.
See the video in #5. That freak is no biological woman.
"That freak"
Which is impossible.
Despite all the guff you guys are dishing out nobody has presented any information or evidence otherwise. I saw her Father say he denied her boxing lessons because "She was a girl and girls don't box". She was a girl in a Muslim family in a Muslim nation! Should she be fighting men? "Intersex" can sometimes be indeterminate.
Gonna need a citation for that...................could have been a way to get it to admit to being a boy. "Girls don't box but boys do so if you want to be a girl, you aren't going to box."
Here you go...
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Despite all evidence to the contrary.
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As usual, no leftist response to this latest attack on women, this time at the Olympics. I believe that Biden's revision of Title IX rules go into effect today although several states have blocked it. The only way this stupidity is going to end is for an increasing numbers of women and girls simply refuse to compete against these phony females.
How are 'women' being attacked?
As usual the first people to respond to emotional click bait end up looking the most foolish and you are certainly not alone in this.
Except that "WE" Americans don't write the rules for the Olympics or any other country and the fighter Imane Keliff was born a Muslim woman, raised a Muslim woman and competes like a killer.
Yes, in 2023 she tested too high for natural testosterone and was banned from fighting, maybe that means she loaded up on garlic, onions and shellfish before the test.
In any case that 2024 Olympics tested her as normal hormonal level for a woman this month. She's not a trans person or a phony female.
What she, Imane Keliif, did was publicly turn the Italian fighter into a little girl who is now tired of boxing.
This may be the end of a dream for Angela Carini.
Just another reason why I'm so fond of the left.
Sad sad stuff....................
What do the 'left' have to do with this?
Many support and condone it.
Pushing the fucking idea that all one has to do is imagine they are a different gender for it to be so.
How is that possible?
Citation?
How did the 'left' do that??????????????????????
Citation??? The evidence is all around you FFS. Pushing the gender affirming treatments and care......JFC
What? If this evidence 'is all around', why can't you provide it?
WHO EXACTLY is pushing 'the gender affirming treatments and care'?
How is it 'that someone imagines they're the opposite gender for it to be so'?????????????????
So, you have no proof.
Got it!
Look at the damned boxer in this story. Look at the swimmer Lia Thomas..............
What does the left have to do with either one of them?
See 6.2.1 and various other comments this time, with an open mind.
She was beat by a biological woman who was born a woman.
This article is based on a utter lie and is purposely misleading!
He has Male chromosomes and hormones. It’s why he’s been previously banned from fighting women.
SSDD
False, she was not tested for XY chromosomes last year. That was an ASSumption based on the testosterone level at that time in 2023 by that boxing commission.
She was banned last year for exceeding a natural testosterone level arbitrarily arrived at by the Olympics and other Boxing Commissions. This year the testosterone level was low enough to appeal and the Olympics allowed her to compete.
Born female, raised female in an ultra Muslim society...
https:// unicef.org/algeria/en/sto ries/top-female-boxer-imane-khelif-dreams-gold-inspire-young-people … https:// olympedia.org/athletes/140408 https:// bbc.com/sport/olympics /articles/crgmyv9my0do …
4.4.3 and 6.2.12 are the truth
Exactly, the Italian boxer is such a pussy.
Sounds like the one who lost is just a whiny little bitch WHO LOST.
Maybe she hormonal?
She certainly sounds like she believed the rumors about the Algerian and gave up rather quickly.
her daddy should have spent the money on getting her mustache lasered off and her teeth fixed instead of buying her a spot on the italian olympic team. meh, live and learn...
Exactly, typical Italian fuck up.
She did not, has not and does not have male chromosomes! She is not a man transitioning to a woman. She is a woman!
Raised as a man it seems......................
Link? Because literally every source I can find says otherwise.
Every source I found says that she was equally a terror football player through her teens but she wanted to
learn to fight and her father eventually relented.
No, she is a woman raised as a woman with all woman parts.
And now you sre just making shit up trying to keep a lie alive!
Martina Navratilova said on X: “This is all on [the] IOC and those in power who make the rules. It’s a travesty and makes a mockery of all Olympic sports.”
Then she is misinformed. She must have watched Fox News!
Proof?
It appears we on the left are the ones with the open minds - to reality and the truth.
Have you seen them? Just curious, don't want you to share pictures if you have them.
When, how, where?
I always thought Martina needed a DNA test well as many other Russian female athletes.
I thought she was Czech before asking for the USA for asylum.
It's just not possible for you to admit that you're wrong.
Why would someone admit being wrong if they are not wrong?
Dripping with irony
Back then was there a difference between russia and those countries behind the "iron curtain"?
Russia installed troops to preserve communism in Czechoslovakia in 1968 and remained in the russian sphere until 1990
Poland and Czechoslovakia thought so.
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Martina made a strange statement today that she was told to train, train, train to bulk up to make muscles regardless of how she felt, she worked through her periods etc. so she could dominate her sport.
That's fine by me, but kind of a blind spot considering Khelif's sacrifice and training to do the very same thing.
So let's say this Khelif and Lin do have XY chromosomes. (no proof yet)
DO we allow the IOC or IBA to ban a handful of xy female people who have lost many bouts to other women
or do we force her/them to fight men of the same weight class?
Btw, the Italian fighter, has apologized to Khelif, the IOC and Italy for her behavior in the ring which ended the fight.
I don’t know how to reply without risking being misunderstood for trolling.
I don't believe her sexuality was an issue or part of the topic.
Billy Jean King was a champion many times without being a threatening muscular player.
Mostly this whole kerfuffle is going to boil down to the bad blood between the former AIAB, the IBA which replaced it and the IOC which banned it last year for good.
The AIAB, like Don King's enterprises were plagued by questionable practices. It just seems to be a part of boxing.
But the IBA, far from cleaning up the reputation of the AIAB, doubled down on the Mafia style of management while "electing" known Russian criminals with associations to Putin and even now Gazprom sponsorship, by canceling election, Un-certifying competing candidates to the current russian president,
or changing the results of two bouts in 2023 inexplicably for unspecified violations of some gender test.
Eventually the IOC said enough is enough and no longer recognizes any IBA authority to judge current and future boxers or their eligibility. A new agency called "World Boxing" is trying to fill the void after the Court of Arbitration for Sports dismissed the IBA suit against the IOC.
Since 2019 Khelif is 37 - 9 unbeaten since 2022 except for the bout in 2023 overturned for the gender test.
Lin YU-ting's record is 41-14 since 2013 and a national hero in Taiwan.
Then what was your rationale for thinking that Martina “needed a DNA test”? 6.2.34
My rationale was that that the Russians and their satellite countries cranked out many manly looking women at every international sporting event. I never mentioned or implied their sexual preference in marital matters was a factor in their sports performances.
have a good weekend.
Bullshit - I've admitted several times in the past when I was wrong.
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Except she wasn’t Russian and asked for US asylum at 18.
You too.
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How about this statement, then?
Ok, so what if the boxer in question has x-Y chromosome but presents as a women in all the right ways? I think that is what this girl is doing.
I mean like do we burn her at the stake or is stoning sufficient?
In this 'article' you have failed to do so when it's been shown that this WOMAN is indeed a WOMAN.
And was raised as a woman.
This is what women and girls have to look forward to with Democrats in charge.
What do Democrats have to do with this?
Many support and condone it.
See 6.2.2
How did they do that?
So no proof, no citation, that the 'left' said you can imagine you're a man if you're a woman and that makes it so or vice versa?
How?
If I recall, you have no problem with it..............
Proof?
Who supports the boys and men in girls and women's sports, who supports boys and men in women's bathrooms and locker rooms Democrats or Republicans?
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A problem with what?
But she's not a different gender so this whole fucking 'article' is moot and it turns out this other boxer is just a whiny little bitch who lost.
it's just another reason for thumpers to get a knot in their dicks over some perceived olympic offense ...
It does not seem that Imane Khelif is a biological male; best I can tell, she is just a manly woman. If so, that is fair.
funny, I thought having a vagina or a penis was the only gender determination criteria that conservatives had...
Exactly but for eight or nine hours a 2023 hormone test from some unnamed boxing commission was all the earliest comments needed to turn this Olympic bout into a partisan "bash the left party" about transgendered people competing in sports, which bathrooms they use etc.
An exceptional female boxer humiliated another female boxer who lost her composure most publicly.
That's not the Olympic spirit and a black eye for Italy.
Folks are just so proud of their ignorance.
I've seen some pretty masculine women, but this one takes the cake, no visible sign of being female, and totally lacking tits.
All this profound analysis doesn't explain the evidence of the elevated testosterone levels.
And also unexplained is the almost total acceptance by the left of men claiming to be women, who most definitely are not.
"Lia" Thomas being the most egregious example. Why this support?
I dont know where you get that idea, but I am "left" and I dont approve of "men" playing womens sports.
As far as accepting trans people , I generally think its none of my business. Why is it yours ?
If she is genetically/biologically female, do you have a problem with her competing as a female? No matter how manly she might appear?
Women produce testosterone too. Produced right there in the ovaries and other areas of the body. An elevated level would be more of it than is usually found in the average female.
Exactly.
In past discussions on this topic, some folks have shown a remarkable resistance to information. Biology is more complicated than XX=female and XY=male, with females producing only estrogen and males producing only testosterone. Reality is not nearly as black and white as that. But deeper knowledge both requires effort and doesn't fit some narratives, so some avoid and ignore it.
Women produce testosterone, not just estrogen and progesterone. Men produce estrogen and progesterone, not just testosterone. Both produce varying levels of sex hormones at different times of their lives, with the obvious results being puberty in men and women, and menopause in women. Women produce varying levels of sex hormones in relation to their menstrual cycles, and not every cycle is identical in one particular woman. The adrenal glands in both sexes also produce sex hormones, and not only the hormones generally associated with their sex. Dysfunction of the adrenal gland or pituitary gland, which runs the whole thing, can cause abnormal levels of sex hormones, including elevated testosterone. So can polycystic ovarian syndrome in women, which is fairly common.
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Given the complexity of the endocrine system and its interaction with the reproductive system, it is not at all surprising that things sometimes go awry.
Yeah, my go to source for biology would be those here denigrating this woman.
'totally lacking tits'
But calling a woman a whiny bitch is ok?
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where do you get off on this notion, the bedroom ...?
cause as Independent of thought, and reason, I believe if born a man, don't care if you wish to change identity, but you should not be able to compete in another genders' sports competition, imho
So classy!
Did you ever have a problem with Andre the Giant pursuing a career in wrestling when there obviously something wrong with him and anyone he faced in the ring was at a disadvantage because of his size?
Most people function within the boundary of acceptable levels of hormones but there are always outliers.
Kheliff could be an outlier or just a really angry woman about how she looks or how she is judged by complete strangers who do not know her.
You are obviously not a fan of track/field or gymnastics. zero body fat = no tits.
They should just go back to how the Olympics were originally ran , naked .
I havent been following them due to lack of interest , but the story of that pole vaulter losing out on a medal because of a "hang up" due to his olympic sized package did cross my news feed
Saw that vid in slow motion. Looked potentially pretty painful.
How ironic that the same people who emphatically claim there are only two genders are misgendering a person born with a vagina. The article offers nothing about what was down there at birth, but if it was a penis it would definitely be mentioned. They use anything to degrade the left, even when it contradicts themselves.
Exactly!
apparently they think that their opposition is as fucking stupid as they are...
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That is why I'm no longer watching the Olympics.
Heartbreaking news.
Why? There have always been lots of masculine looking biological woman competing in every Olympics since ancient Greece...
Even when knowing the truth - what a lost/hopeless cause.
XY =Man.
Women can have XY chromosomes too. Biology is not so simple.
I think we are dealing with a gray area here. Imane Khelif appears to be a woman, but she has a higher level of testosterone than the average woman and if she has XY chromosomes, as some report, that would help explain the higher level of testosterone.
She appears to be a very manly woman.
The question now is where does the Olympic committee draw the line when we are dealing in such a gray area? Do they base their decision on whether the athlete was born with or without a penis? Is it some combination of physical genitalia at birth and chemical composition of hormones and genetic factors such as chromosomes?
This is not an easy thing to decide. It is not going to be a simple mathematical equality.
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Explain your demonstrably ridiculous claim.
Read, and absorb:
I agree that biology can be a shitshow, however it should not be in an athletic competition. Unless it's a no bars competition then no one with XY chromosomes should be competing in a women's competition.
You actually don't know what this woman's biology is. All we have are uncorroborated reports from an organization that is known for corruption (especially when Russina athletes get beaten), which actually let her compete when it claimed she had failed gender testing a year earlier, is no longer allowed to determine eligibility for Olympic athletes, and won't say what kind of testing it performed.
Would you decide on her eligibility without that knowledge?
No, I would have demanded testing by my organization. Did the IOC, to your knowledge?
Should all athletes be tested? Or just her? If just her, why?
They already are. Apparently it just depends on by whom and for what...
Not at all. Why are the two boxers disqualified from the IBA female championship suddenly Olympics contenders?..
Obviously just her.
Because they are biological women who should not have been disqualified in the first place. They were born women, raised women, not trans and never had any sex change therepies...
Just won't admit to being wrong, not possible jbb. Lost cause/hopeless. And they always have to have the last word.
Ok, a simple test would reveal those facts, don't you think? Amazingly the IOC doesn't think that would help the situation .....
Because they passed all the IOC gender and doping tests...
They're biological women. The case is closed. Quit digging.
They must be illiterate to not know the facts by now...
Then she passed, as evidenced by the fact that she is still competing.
Because the IBA was stripped of its authority to determine eligibility. They were found to be corrupt and in the pocket of the Kremlin.
They suspended Ukraine, but lifted the ban on Russian and Belarusian athletes? While moving operations to Russia, and having as their only corporate sponsor a Russian state-owned energy company? Very interesting, in the IOC's opinion.
She's been getting a lot of hateful threats ever since THE RIGHT SPREAD THESE LIES AND IGNORANCE THAT SHE IS A BIOLOGIC MALE.
YET SOMEHOW THE LEFT IS BEING BLAMED, AS USUAL.
The really bad sad part is that so many who claimed to support women's athletes and women's athletics fell for this fake story, jumped to a wrongheaded conclusion and hurt all women athletes while unfairly bullying innocent women athletes for being stronger!
Not Cool!
The 'right' is portraying this whole, whatever the fuck this is, as one boxer beating the shit out of another boxer, this was a boxing match, what the fuck, as an uneven match, or unfair, out of the lie that this is a man posing as a woman
AND ON TOP OF THAT - she is being threatened because of it
Plus can't/won't admit they're wrong
Right? It did say she was a woman on her passport after all....
Make up your mind, Greg. First you say
regarding all Olympic athletes being gender tested.
But you turn around and say
Which of those contradictory statements are you claiming is the truth?
Oh, Rebecca R Helm on Facebook tells us that it's complicated!
Those are the conclusions of a far-left pro-transgender ideologue. We'll stick with the two-gender science.
I think that we now know how people feel about this.
Not just Rebecca R. Helm on Facebook.
Rebecca R. Helm, PhD.
Or do we only "trust the science" when the scientist says what we want her to say?
Can you fault the science, Vic? Do you know something about biology that this professor of biology doesn't? Please, do present your research and evidence.
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Well I think we know how a dozen or so members felt when they started this article as a "leftist/Democrat" bashing shit show in support of "the weaker sex" and separate bathrooms depending on your birth certificate.
12 hours later when the IOC explained their position and the IBA was exposed as just another corrupt boxing association run by cocaine smuggling Russians to promote Russian boxing for Putin and Gazprom, the story has no meat, no bones and no truth other than the two boxers have been smeared for a year, probably for life and the Italian fighter has now apologized to the Algerian, the IOC and to Italy for her demeanor and lack of Olympic spirit.
The IBA, which just had its lawsuit against the Olympics dismissed, doubled down yesterday and announced its own cash prize of $50,000 ( Euros or US?) to the Italian boxer for losing badly. Today, kremlev, the president of the cash strapped IBA, sponsored by Gazprom, doubled down saying he would pay anyone who loses to Yu=Ting or Khelif. That's some fucked up sense of "honor" which he cannot afford.
The hatred and misinformation continued today when a Bulgarian boxer lost to Lin Yu-Ting 5-0
and appeared to hand signal two xs to the crowd.
Ignorant, hateful people with zero proof of evidence from a discredited, failed Russian boxing association, continue to express their hate and homophobia on facebook and twitter.
It's just mind blowing how far down the wrong path some people can go without acknowledging the other possibility.
So much for believing birth certs or penis = boy, no penis equals girl.
Or admitting they're wrong when the truth is provided over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
appears the fellas who have been spreading this 'news', are now retracting:
But here they're digging their heels in even deeper despite reality
This woman has been receiving a lot of hate and threats since this ignorance has been spread
This woman has been receiving a lot of hate and threats since this ignorance has been spread
you can say that again
They don't care, they are proud to hang around and double down
or out and out trolling for trolling's sake.