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Doctors Without Borders: October 29 Statement on Regulations for Health Care Workers Returning From West Africa

  

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Via:  broliver-thesquirrel-stagnasty  •  11 years ago  •  14 comments

Doctors Without Borders: October 29 Statement on Regulations for Health Care Workers Returning From West Africa

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October 29 Statement on Regulations for Health Care Workers Returning From West Africa

Doctors Without Borders/Mdecins Sans Frontires (MSF) strongly disagrees with blanket forced quarantine for health care workers returning from Ebola affected countries. Such a measure is not based upon established medical science.

I don't know how many articles have been posted on the quarantine/no quarantine issue, But really, how many scientific opinions does it take to convince people. These guys are on the front lines of this, have the mostpractical, hands-on experience with Ebola Viral Disease (EVD), and there for should be the people who's opinion matters the most.


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Aeonpax
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link   Aeonpax    11 years ago

When an incident becomes a political football played by ignorant fools, things only get worse.

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

And From the New England Journal of Medicine :

This is a streaming audio of the Q&A after an online discussion (Link)

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

So we must strive to educate them.

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

Another link , this one to the NEJM's page dealing with the Ebola virus in the latest outbreak.

There really is a lot of useful, scientifically derived information on this page. If you are going to comment on this disease, you should read and listen to the information on this page.

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

I don't really give a shit what you or any of the other deniers of scientifically and medically validated opinions think, unless you try to reduce the freedoms that another person enjoys because something that you think about a disease overrides the validity of science. That is when I feel obligated to tell you, in the nicest and most polite way, that you are wrong.

Doctors without Borders does have to deal with a bunch of fearful, irrational individuals as well as the people for whom they are giving aid to in Africa.

Turns out that their opinion doesn't "matter the most" to a lot of people.

Much more is the pity, because they know more about it than some guy with just an uninformed opinion and little else.

Meanwhile, it is doctors and nurses, who know the most, and who have the most experience, and the best equipment, who are getting the disease the most, and presenting a danger to others the most.

This statement is false. I urge you to listen to the links and learn something. It will help you form an informed opinion.

 
 
 
1ofmany
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link   1ofmany    11 years ago

"Doctors without borders" have to deal with people with borders. And with people who have responsibilities. Here, a group thinks that what is best for them should be all that is necessary to consider. Turns out that their opinion doesn't "matter the most" to a lot of people.

Disease knows no borders. The only way to be safe is to stop the disease at its source. If we want to stop it atthesource, then we need health care professionals tovolunteer. They will be lesslikely to volunteer if they are caged upon their return whether they are sick or not -- and the disease is only infectious iftheperson is sick. If they don't volunteer, then the disease will spread -- estimates are that it is growingexponentially andwill infect more than a million people in less than 6months-- and it will become a tidal wave that threatens us all. The short-term risk that healthcare workers may spread the disease here is much less than the global risk created by their reluctance to volunteer.

 
 
 
1ofmany
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link   1ofmany    11 years ago

80 percent of Americans support quarantines.2/3rds of people with a college degree or higher, support quarantines.

According to Gallup, in March of 2003, 72% of Americans supported the Iraq war. A majority of Germans voted for AdolfHitler. Many of those same people later realized they were wrong. Just because a majority favors something, doesn'tmake it right.

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

So you did not listen to or read anything?

I am sorry, if you do not want to educate yourself on the history and means of infection as well as current epidemiology on EVD, there is little that I can do to help you.

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

Actually, with the educational efforts underway in the affected nations, the occurrence of EVD is starting to abate.

Hmmmmm. Could it be that the medical professionals might actually know what they are talking About???

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

The reason I posted this thread was to inform people of the science and therefore make them more able to see how and why quarantine is not recommended. But, please, continue to post on here, because you are the perfect teaching foil.

 
 
 
1ofmany
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link   1ofmany    11 years ago

Part of the thinking of Americans would be that a three week quarantine isn't a great hardship.

No doubt. People often see no hardship in shouldering burdens they don't have to bear. Doctors without Borders is alreadycomplainingthat this quarantine threat is impactingparticipation. If this disease becomes a pandemic, those same Americans -- whose greatest burden is simply lifting their own fat asses offthecouch to get to the refrigerator -- will be the same people who later rant and rave that Obama should have contained this disease over there when he had the chance.

 
 
 
1ofmany
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link   1ofmany    11 years ago

Did they study quarantine participation impacts on selfless doctors in doctor school?Or can we just assume that anything a doctor says is... "science?"

I'd say this is more a matter ofpsychology than science. The greatertheburden, the less likely someone is to shoulder it. But if there's something to be learned in "doctor's school", I think it would be the truth behind the statement that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Wouldn't you rather prevent a pandemic than wait and try to cure it later? If so, how do you do that if you discourage theparticipationof the very people who can prevent it?

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

Robert said:

80 percent of Americans support quarantines.

2/3rds of people with a college degree or higher, support quarantines.

This is an example of a logical fallacy know sometimes as an appeal to popularity,which is a logical fallacy because popularity does not in itself make something right or wrong.

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
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link   seeder  Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

Then We have a lot of work to do.

 
 

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