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Trump Greenland proposal: How Greenlanders feel, explained | Vox

  

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By:   Avishay Artsy (Vox)

Trump Greenland proposal: How Greenlanders feel, explained | Vox
Greenland: not for sale, but open for business.

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Greenland: not for sale, but open for business.

byAvishay Artsy and Noel King

Jan 25, 2025, 12:00 PM UTC

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Greenland is the world's largest non-continental island, and it takes up space rent-free in President Donald Trump's head.

Since 2019, Trump has floated the idea of the US acquiring Greenland, a sovereign Danish territory, in the name of American national security and economic interests. The idea was short-lived when Trump first raised it, but returned with force late last year.

Trump's proposal took on a more urgent tone when, in a January 7 news conference at Mar-a-Lago, he declined to rule out the idea of using military force to seize control of Greenland.

Even more recently, according to the Financial Times, Trump reportedly spoke with Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen in a "horrendous" call where he threatened tariffs. "The intent was very clear. They want it. The Danes are now in crisis mode," one European official told the Financial Times.

The renewed fervor behind Trump's push to acquire Greenland is driven, at least in part, by its clear geopolitical significance. Greenland rests amid major shipping routes that have become increasingly important as its ice sheet melts and new trade routes emerge, and it sits above major deposits of oil, gas, and rare earth minerals that are essential to everyday technologies.

Greenland is also at the forefront of an ongoing Arctic power struggle as Russia and China increase their trade, mining, and military presence in the region.

Unsurprisingly, leaders in Denmark and Greenland — which has its own parliament and prime minister, separate from Denmark — have pushed back strongly against US expansionism and rejected Trump's overtures.

"We're not for sale and we're not a commodity," Naaja H. Nathanielsen, Greenland's minister of Business, Trade, Mineral Resources, Justice, and Gender Equality, told Vox. "We have a great many friends in the US, so we are an American ally. But we are not Americans and do not wish to be Americans. We want to be Greenlanders."

Nathanielsen spoke with Today, Explained host Noel King about Greenland's increasing strategic importance, how Greenlanders view Trump's rhetoric, and what America could actually do to work with the country.

Below is an excerpt of their conversation, edited for length and clarity. There's much more in the full podcast, so listen to Today, Explained wherever you get your podcasts, including Apple Podcasts, Pandora, and Spotify.

Noel King


I am imagining that many of our listeners will not have ever been to Greenland. Can you tell me a bit about what it's like?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


Well, I think many people who come here are surprised by two things. One thing is, of course, the beauty of the nature. Everything is vast and huge, the mountains, the fjords and all that. But another thing, I think, that struck a lot of people is it's quite modern. I think oftentimes you think of Greenland as something where a few people live and there's not a lot of activity, but our cities look like many others. It will be recognizable for many people.

Noel King


And what kind of people are Greenlanders?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


We are Inuit. We are Indigenous people. So we consist of — I think 90 percent of the population, most people here, are Greenlanders with Inuit roots. We do have a lot of people from the Nordic countries and from Asia as well. But primarily the population is made up by Inuit.

Noel King


So we have a beautiful country with very modern cities. If someone were planning a visit and wanted to know what was really important, what should they know?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


Well, they should know that Greenland is a modern democracy, that we have our own government, our own parliament. We have a mineral sector. We have tourism. We have a fishing industry. So these are our primary revenues. And also, you should know that the Greenlandic culture is very vibrant and rich, even though we're only 55,000 people. So there's a lot of music, a lot of plays, a lot of cultural activity, which is quite impressive for such a small population.

Noel King


We were reminded in the first half of our show that Donald Trump has actually been talking about Greenland in provocative ways since 2019. Can I ask what you thought when you first heard him single your country out?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


Well, in the beginning, I think we were kind of surprised about the offer to buy Greenland, and we have been trying to figure out what is that about, what is the story behind that.

Noel King


And what do you understand is the story behind that?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


We understand that it's a measure of national security for the Americans. And to some extent, we understand very much that Greenland is part of the interest sphere of the US when it comes to national security. That is why we have a military base in Greenland.

And we do understand that this is important for the monitoring of the Arctic as well. So we do agree with the military presence in Greenland. We do agree with the ideas of expanding the monitoring of the Arctic. So to some extent we agree to what is being said, but that does not follow that we want to be Americans. It just follows that we understand that Greenland has an importance for the US in terms of national security.

Noel King


You are a government minister, and I understand that diplomacy is something that is very important here. But I sort of put the shoe on the other foot and I think, as an American, if another country was talking about buying the United States, I personally would be a bit offended, to be perfectly honest with you.

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


Yes, but we are offended. And I think what you also need to understand, as Inuit we take things calmly. I mean, it doesn't help the situation by panicking. So we're not panicking, but we're trying to understand what is this about and trying to work with it. The US is a very big country compared to Greenland. We're only very few thousand people. So, of course, when the US says something, we need to take it seriously. And we understand that sometimes politicians talk a big game and have to deliver a message that is maybe more meant for an audience within the country. So I'm just saying, we are in the receiving end and we do not like the rhetoric. We don't appreciate it. But we want to work with the message being sent. We want to figure out how can we talk about this in a sensible manner.

Noel King


Sure. And being important in a strategic sense, in an economic sense, is never really a bad thing. Often it's a very, very good thing for a country.

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


Well, depending.

Noel King


Fair enough! Which other countries have expressed interest in acquiring Greenland?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


I think no other country has had an interest in acquiring Greenland. But we do feel that there's more emphasis on the Greenlandic minerals, for instance, these past couple of years, on a very sad backdrop due to the climate crisis and the war in Ukraine and the pandemic that showed faulty supply chains. There's been a focus on where could we find minerals and mine them in a country that is responsible in terms of environment and governance. And Greenland is a good fit in that way. So we have been seeing a spurt of interest. That's not the same as [saying that] that has really shown itself in a lot of investments from outside. We are still lacking investment into the mineral sector, for instance.

Noel King


So perhaps the message to President Trump is: We would actually welcome American investment.

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


We would welcome American investment. We actually made a deal with the former Trump administration in 2019, where we together explored some of our potentials and had some projects together. And we have been trying for some time to get the Biden administration to prolong or expand that agreement. So we are interested in doing business with the States. Of course, that doesn't mean we want to be Americans, but we do want to work with the States in a business sense.

Noel King


Donald Trump has said a handful of provocative things about Greenland, but perhaps one of the most provocative, at least from where I sit in the United States, is that he wouldn't rule out military force in trying to acquire Greenland. First, I guess, does that kind of talk make you nervous? And second, how is the nation responding to something like that?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


Well, of course this makes people nervous. We have kids that listen to the media and they say, "What is going on? Is the States going to come and occupy us?" So it's very unfortunate rhetoric. So this has caused my government to really try to convey to the public: "Do not panic, we're trying to work through this and figure out what is it about." Because no, I don't think that our ally would occupy us. Of course not. I don't expect that from an ally. We are part of the Western alliance. We are part of NATO. We are a friend of the US. We are a democracy and so is the US. What we are trying to do is look beyond the rhetoric and see how can we work together after such a statement.

Noel King


I do hear you saying something that I think is very important, which is that Donald Trump does talk a lot. And we learned in his first four years in office that sometimes he's very serious and sometimes he's actually just talking. He is talking at times to distract from other things that he's doing. Sometimes he's just sort of speaking extemporaneously and things slip out. I think it's fair and factual to say both of those things. Is there any sense that you have that perhaps this is not all that serious?

Naaja H. Nathanielsen


I think there has been a genuine interest in Greenland for some time in America. So I think it's a fair assessment that he should be taken seriously about his desire to expand cooperation with Greenland in some form or other. I think that has to be taken quite seriously. And it's not only one person, as I understand it. As I see it, it's a couple of people, a group of people who have an interest in Greenland. And you can see that also there has been a bill proposed about acquiring Greenland.

So I think this is not just one person saying something. Of course, you always need to take your president serious when he says something, and we do too. That's the name of the game. But I get a sense that there is something more than just talk.

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Kavika
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Kavika     2 days ago

It is quite clear now the Greenlanders feel about it.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @1    2 hours ago

like that maga moron cares what anyone but himself thinks ...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
2  Buzz of the Orient    2 days ago

I think Greenland should close the American military base since it now has the potential of being an invading force. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    2 days ago

That would put Thunder Mouth into a mental meltdown…HAHA, that would be enjoyable to watch.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
2.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @2.1    2 days ago

Actually, maybe "mental meltdown" could be considered an improvement.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.1.2  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.1    yesterday

Just about anything would be an improvement for him, Buzz.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3  Bob Nelson    2 days ago

I can see it happening. An American invasion. Over in two days. Done deal.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Bob Nelson @3    2 days ago

That would be a disaster, the US simply becomes another Russia, NK etc…All credibility would be gone in the world and you can bet somewhere along the line we will need help and the civilized world will give us a big middle finger.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @3.1    yesterday

There are lots of possible futures. This one would indeed be terrible.

I think/hope there'll be a deal to enlarge the US base, and then Trump will forget.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
3.1.2  Drakkonis  replied to  Kavika @3.1    14 hours ago
That would be a disaster, the US simply becomes another Russia, NK etc…All credibility would be gone

That's my take, as well. If he does something that foolish he may as well help China take Taiwan. He'd be giving them the justification, at least. 

The only thing I can think of is that Trump has something else in mind. Something Greenland would be reluctant to do and this is his big stick plan. 

Also, if I were still in the military and Trump really did try to invade, I'd refuse to cooperate. I wouldn't go and would not support anything that was going or part of the invasion. Probably just flat out leave. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.3  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.2    13 hours ago

I don’t know what he could be planning, the Greenlanders do not want to be part of the US but they allow us to have a military base there and have invited more investment from the US. 

I am of the same mind as you if I was in the military.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @3.1.3    12 hours ago

Columbia caved in less than twenty-four hours, on the expulsion flights issue. The threat of tariffs did the job.

Which of course encourages Trump to use tariffs again.

Buckle up!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    yesterday

But Bpb, do you realize what an American invasion of Greenland would do to NATO?

 "Greenland is indeed a part of NATO. Although it is a self-governing territory within the Kingdom of Denmark, Greenland benefits from the protection of NATO through its association with Denmark."

LINK -> www.ncesc.com/geographic-pedia/is-greenland-a-part-of-nato/

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2    yesterday

Of course I understand that.

Does Trump?

Does he care?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.1    14 hours ago
Does Trump?

Doesn't matter.

Does he care?

Of course not.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4  seeder  Kavika     yesterday

Trump stated yesterday that the Greenlanders want to become part of the US.

I guess that he didn’t talk to the Greenlanders about it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @4    20 hours ago

Both the BBC and the Guardian ran stories before this Trump BS, about Greenlanders not wanting to be American.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @4    3 hours ago

He wouldn't listen to them if they did

 
 
 
Thomas
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5  Thomas    14 hours ago

On the bright side, Trump won't have to worry about litigating any environmental claims....

 
 
 
Freewill
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6  Freewill    10 hours ago

Aside from Trump's stupid remarks and heavy handed approach, I thought this part was interesting:

We would welcome American investment. We actually made a deal with the former Trump administration in 2019, where we together explored some of our potentials and had some projects together. And we have been trying for some time to get the Biden administration to prolong or expand that agreement. So we are interested in doing business with the States. Of course, that doesn't mean we want to be Americans, but we do want to work with the States in a business sense.

Indeed, I posted some info about this on another article HERE .  The talks after Trump mentioned buying Greenland in 2019 culminated in the reopening of the US consulate in Nuuk, and other investments very much welcomed by Greenland.  Why can't Trump expand on that as the Greenlanders wanted the Biden Administration to do, but never did?  Why talk about purchasing Greenland again, or certainly say ANYTHING about not ruling out military force?  Trump risks fucking up this relationship with his flapper.  He needs to let the State Department handle these concerns with a level head that Greenlanders can work with and appreciate.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Freewill @6    5 hours ago

I was of the same mind, one why didn’t Biden admin follow up and second why is Trump sounding like a lunatic over Greenland when just a follow up could help both countries with any fuss or muss.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
6.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @6.1    3 hours ago

Biden missed MANY opportunities. What he did, he generally did right (except expulsions} but there was s-o-o-o much he simply didn't do.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1.2  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.1    2 hours ago

It certainly seems that way, Bob.

 
 

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