Don't Believe Him
Look closely at the first two weeks of Donald Trump’s second term and you’ll see something very different than what he wants you to see.
Donald Trump has tried to convince the public, both in the US and abroad, that because he is doing things and taking action, he has the authority to do them by virtue of doing things and taking action. Sound a bit circular? Good, because it should. For a great many of the Executive Orders that he has pushed for he has no Constitutional or legal authority.
Please, if you agree, speak up locally, call your Congressperson and Senator, join in the efforts to slow and halt the march towards a realignment of powers here in the US that twists and distorts the Constitution and has undergirding it hate and divisiveness so that the already rich can increase their wealth while the middle and lower classes find themselves stagnant.
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Donald Trump has tried to convince the public, both in the US and abroad, that because he is doing things and taking action, he has the authority to do them by virtue of doing things and taking action. Sound a bit circular? Good, because it should. For a great many of the Executive Orders that he has pushed for he has no Constitutional or legal authority.
Please, if you agree, speak up locally, call your Congressperson and Senator, join in the efforts to slow and halt the march towards a realignment of powers here in the US that twists and distorts the Constitution and has undergirding it hate and divisiveness so that the already rich can increase their wealth while the middle and lower classes find themselves stagnant.
That seems to be a non-partisan issue...
It does, doesn't it? In this instance, the proverbial fox is taking over the hen house and inviting friends in for the feast. If nobody stands up to resist this power grab, it will work. Thank goodness that there are still a great many people in America who value the Constitution enough to try and ensure that it is not shredded by oligarchs and idiots.
Amen brother...
How is this different from other presidents?
How is this different from Biden trying illegally to cancel student loans? Or Obama trying to outlaw the deportation of parents of anchor babies? Or Clinton violating the NLRA? Or W trying to hold trials for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay?
It is the same principle.
So you agree that in both cases it is wrong?
Maybe but the SCOTUS has only ruled on one and it doesn't have anything to do with Trump
Thank you.
To some extent, sure. To some extent, that's just how the system works.
I think all presidents have some level of voter mandate when they arrive in office, even if that is simply "don't do what the previous guy was doing". I don't fault them for trying to do the types of things they believe they were elected to do, or alternatively for trying to look like they're trying to do the things they believe they were elected to do.
I think they know that many of their XOs will be challenged, and that some will be struck down in part or in whole. I don't fault them for pushing those boundaries and trying to see what they can get away with.
Our system is pretty good at shutting down the worst of those before they ever get off the ground.
How about trying to eliminate Jus Soli? Trying to fire Inspector Generals? Trying to fire all DOJ employees who worked on the cases against him?
That kind of stuff. You support that?
Please cite where I have indicated any support for any executive orders.
Cite where I claimed that you have.
You stated "to some extent" so I asked questions to see where you draw the line.
Do you NOT support any of the ones I listed?
Generally speaking I oppose almost all executive orders.
No, I do not support the end of birthright citizenship, any more than I supported ending student loans.
Not that you asked, but I will always call it the Gulf of Mexico.
That is the kind of comment I would have expected from you ... at least from the version that originally joined NT.
I was against forgiving the student loans too. Fundamentally unfair ... money better spent enabling the future rather than buying votes with an unfair practice.
"For a great many of the Executive Orders that he has pushed for he has no Constitutional or legal authority."
We'll leave it to the courts to figure all that out. I'm sorry, but I am much more inclined to believe him over anything you might say.
The tough love and no-nonsense approach is what a majority of the American electorate voted for, and it seems to be working
There aren't that many of the so called rich to worry about, and the most of them are liberals
He told over 30,000 lies in 4 years, of course you'll believe him.
That's a lie. Ask the guy who compiled them.
Ok Sean, it was only 29,999... happy?
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I would be happy if you stuck with the topic.
I didn't bring up a fake claim of 30,000 lies, did I? YOu prefer misinformation to be left unchallenged?
The claim was not that distant from the truth, so your objection to the claim was almost meaningless. Needless to say, "Trump lies a lot" is not new news. I think Trump is pathologic in his intensity and scope of lying.
Thomas,
Please allow me to explain "derailing". Make a somewhat off-topic Comment. Steer all subsequent Comments to that subject rather than the seed. Bury the few on-topic Comments under a ton of off-topic.
Some NewsTalkers have attained professional status.
Lol. So misinformation is okay, so long as it helps your case.
See 2.1.7
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Assuming you are not lying and there were 30,000 could you please provide a link to a list so that we can review that list?
As member addressed responded yesterday, the flag by someone else of a few minutes ago was dismissed
Just like every other politician.
No. Far, far more than most every other politician.
Why don't you start trying to engage in thoughtful discussion? We don't have to be pissing on each other all the time.
This is where things are confusing. We have also been told if a mod sees fit to ticket a post, even after it was responded to by the person addressed to, they can do so. Does this mean if the person addressed to responds directly then any ticket is null and void?
Asking for a friend.
Yes and now the member addressed has responded to post.
Most politicians lie about 40% of the time...repube and dem... Trump is well over 80%.
Aurising as it may seem, actually all politicians are not the same.
Heck, even all politicians in the same political party are not the same nor hold identical views.
(In fact, all conservatives are not the same, nor are all liberals).
But you already knew that, eh?
Or...did you?
LMAO. So he IS like every other politician. You just cry about ONE more than any other. Thanks for the clarification.
What is funny about these leftists is that Trump was a Democrat until about 10 years ago when he decided to run his first ter.
If he was still a Democrat and doing the same things he is doing today, leftists would be cheering him.
They only started "hating" him because he's no longer one of them. Just like Tulsi Gabbard. Both switched parties and the Democrats set their hair on fire.
Why would leftists supports Trump's current actions?
Do you think his actions are something that your imagination of 'the left' supports?
Do you think they want a Riviera of the Middle East, gratuitous tariffs, trade wars, threats to neighbors, trolling Canada as the 51st state, removal of jus soli, firing of inspectors general, firing of DoJ officials because they did their job and worked on a case they were assigned to work on, renaming the Gulf of Mexico (limited to the USA), banning the AP from the White House because they refuse to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America (but will instead refer to the USA-only name change), attempt to deport 11+ million illegals (impossible, by the way, and damaging to our economy), threaten Panama, threaten Greenland, cutoff aid rather than surgically remove bad programs, offer a buyout, bring in fresh college graduates to evaluate which employees are good and which are bad, nominate a wholly unqualified Hegseth to run the DoD, etc.?
Any of that sound like something a 'leftist' would support?
Worse, the reality is that Trump is an R right now and the GOP is supporting him. So first deal with the major malfunction of R reasoning before tossing out half-backed criticism of others.
Because then he would be a democrat. Democrats are well known for their double standards.
The rest of your rant we have seen before and we have explained to you constantly.
70 percent of Americans approve of how he is handling the presidency. Because his actions trigger you (collective you) leftists does not mean the rest of the country is equally triggered.
Laughably feeble. And then you deflect.
Your posted viewpoint @2.1.20 is ridiculous and you clearly have no idea how to defend it.
Democrats would never have nominated a turd like trmp
I can only hope that is correct.
In the past, I would have stated that the GOP would never nominate an asshole like Trump.
there is no GOP any more ...
The old GOP is certainly gone. What is called the GOP today I do not recognize. I suspect GOP PotUS' of the past would agree.
Our Dad's upper case GOP is now Trump's lower case gop!
Eisenhower and Reagan were both upper case Republican.
Trump and MAGA are something different known as "gop".
Akin to the brown slime at the bottom of dirty refrigerators!
Um, they nominated Harris and Biden...and Trump still won.
Seems that turd is looked at higher than the other two.
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RepublicanFascist PartyI have a cousin that was a GWB appointee and devout GOPer. he strongly admonished somebody on FB for associating him with trump last week. quite shocking for me to read that, but then we only discuss golf ...
The party that was perfectly happy with a "president" bragging about circumventing a Supreme Court order to unilaterally waive student loan debts are now declaring the democracy is over before these issues have even been litigated.
what you see is the desperation of a party whose decades long grift is being exposed. As FDR and his cronies recognized when setting up new deal programs, the expansion of the federal government would allow the Dems a chance to turn the entire county into a patronage system for the Democratic party. They've perfected it in recent decades. Have Congress vote on trillion dollars of expenditures written by staff without anyone elected having time to actually read the bill. Grant billions to NGO's run by party loyalists, who take care of themselves and their cronies first, before disbursing the leftovers to the supposed intended recipients. It's a government by bureaucracy, with unelected Democrats controlling the money no matter who's in the White House.
That's really what this is about, will elected officials have control of government spending, or professional, ideological bureaucrats, enriching themselves and throwing money at their pet causes.
Exactly. This is what Americans voted for.
Remember, from a famous liberal....
"Elections have consequences"
It is hilarious watching the leftists bitch, whine and moan about things they have been a huge part of creating for decades, and Trump is trying to fix.
I'm fine with it, trump is now to blame for anything that happens. Hurricane flattens Florida and kills 50,000 people because trump got rid of NOAA? Not my problem!! LOL
See 2.4
Not anything surprising for the far left. They blamed Trump for many things that happened before he was even inaugurated, just like one dem did this cycle blaming him for something that happened 8 days before he was inaugurated.
Most leftists are delusional.
"trump got rid of NOAA"
He did? When did that happen, or is that one of the left's hair on fire "he might do (fill in the blank), so I must be outraged.
I did and gave it the 10 second sweep over it deserved.
The far right blamed Biden for everything. Fucking idiots.
Yes, they did....because he was an imbecile and so was his DEI hire VP.
There were MANY things that he, or whoever it was that was running the show, did to try and destroy the very fabric of this country.
While most Conservatives are not.
???
If so-- why do you think that is?
List them.
he said mean things about trump and his cult of unamerican morons ...
Much more is the pity.
Courts move very slowly. Trump and company are trying to baffle the American public with Bannon's "Flood the zone" concept. Congress has the power of the purse, not the President, and certainly not a man and some teenagers.
First off, I thought it was immigration and the price of groceries that people voted for. At least, that is what the exit polling was showing. Secondly, working how? By throwing a Musk bomb at the governmental structure itself? Just upsetting a vast swath of the American (and international) public is neither tough love nor is it no-nonsense. Deleting pages of research data on a myriad of scientific sites serves the public how? He has already done irreparable damage to our country, but it's ok because he didn't believe it?
So we should be happy that only (?) four billionaires were on-stage at his inauguration? And I would like for you to prove your last statement, "most of [the rich] are liberals."
Congress has the power of the purse, not the President, and certainly not a man and some teenagers.
This sums it up:
FYI, I will not go to X to view the source. I do not think that anyone should be causing money to flow to that particular mouthpiece of Elon, however small the actual amount may be.
Trump is still pushing at the boundaries of Presidential power. To not admit that this further secession of powers would be destructive to the Constitution as written and say that we should just ignore it all and go home is quite silly. He is not simply exercising his powers as the executive, as you apparently would have us believe, but he is attempting to restructure the government such that he can rule by fiat and not have to go through the incredibly messy "Congress".
If we all just watch, he will be more than happy to make his twisted version of the American government a reality.
That is manifestly untrue.
ave to go through the incredibly messy "Congress".
so much for "Congress won't act, so I will" being an applause line for Democrats. It's hard to take these protestations as anything other than partisan whining that a Republican is President. No principle other than that I can see. There was certainly no objection from progressives on this site when obama/Biden pushed the boundaries of executive power.
Is it, though? His EO on birthright citizenship didn't sound like he wanted to deal with the Constitutionally mandated way of amending the Constitution. He wanted to circumvent it entirely by supplying a new definition for some old words. He can't do that unilaterally, but that is what he tried doing.
He is attempting to shut down agencies that were created and funded by Congress. The fact that Republicans in Congress seems willing to just roll over and play dead does not make it legal or constitutional. Some of the things he has done are within the purview of Presidential powers. A great many are not. To imply that all of the protestations are just partisan whining is, well, partisan whining. No amount of "whatabout" or "you did it first" makes the actions more legal or constitutional.
That's not amending the Constitution. Joe Biden literally tried to amend the Constitution by himself on his way out the door. Trump's EO claims he has the power to end birthright citizenship under the document as written. A Court disagreed. That happens literally every Presidency. Unlike Biden, Trump has not flouted ignoring a court's ruling. Democrats don't claim their Presidents are trying to rule by fiat and get rid of Congress when a democratic President issues EOs found to be illegal. Or maybe you can direct me to those claiming Biden did that with his student loan EO, for example?
No amount of "whatabout" or "you did it first" makes the actions more legal or constitutional.
Well, yes they can of course. That's literally what precedent is. But the point is that it's impossible to take Democrats as defenders of the Constitution or the powers of Congress seriously. Do you not recall the last four years? You can't just pretend the constitution only applies when it helps your partisan cause and not expect eye rolling in response. The democratic position on executive power is completely determined by whether he has a D or R next to his name, and that's obvious to everyone.
This is what trying to rule by fiat and without Congress looks like. The Court, if you recall, said Congress has to authorize the government assuming student loan debt.
Nice shell game you are trying to engage in.
According to your commentary, because Biden did it, it is therefore legal and Constitutional for Trump to do. I heard you complain quite frequently that what Biden was doing was unconstitutional. (For example see 2.4.6 ) Now, when Trump uses the same tactics, you fall back on the schoolyard, "Well he did it first!" defense when you should be screaming that it is being done again. This behavior is known as hypocrisy.
I reiterate: No amount of "whatabout" or "you did it first" makes Trump's actions more legal or constitutional. It does not matter who does the illegal or unconstitutional act it is, by definition, illegal or unconstitutional. But the President has interpreted the SCotUS ruling to absolve him of any review, much less challenge, because he is supposedly commiting "official" actions. He is hoping to break the government before the courts can catch up to his"flood the zone" techniques, and then use his "Official acts" of the Presidency to shield him from blowback. This fool Trump wants a degraded United States and maga is willing to blindly follow him off that cliff. He doesn't see this because, in his perverse perception, the carnage of January 6 is a "day of love", and people just living their lives are "murderers and rapists" by virtue of him calling them that.
Not at all. that's a complete distortion of what I wrote. Your entire argument is based on a made up premise.
This behavior is known as hypocrisy.
Physician, heal thyself.
No amount of "whatabout" or "you did it first" makes Trump's actions more legal or constitutional
Again, if there's precedent for an action Trump took yes of course it does. Do you really not understand precedent?
It does not matter who does the illegal or unconstitutional act it is, by definition, illegal or unconstitutional
No kidding. The point is Democrats only object when the President is a Democrat. When the Supreme Court finds something a Democrat did unconstitutional, they want the court packed with partisan Democratic judges to allow their democratic president to rule by decree.
But the President has interpreted the SCotUS ruling to absolve him of any review, much less challenge, because he is supposedly commiting "official" actions.
That's a made up argument.
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It seems to be right on cue.
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Of course! Your comments demonstrate that daily. Your comments are 100% in support of everything Trump does.
I have yet to see you put forth an actual argument in support of the more outrageous things Trump has said and has done.
For example,
All this and more represents incompetence, stupidity, and unnecessary aggression against other nations. Trump is creating problems instead of focusing on priority one: lowering prices. But, of course, we all know that Trump has no possible way to lower prices and that his continued 'groceries' rhetoric was total bullshit to get elected. But his loyal supporters do not seem to see this and instead applaud the arrogant and stupid acts of Trump as he continues to embarrass this nation and sour relationships with other nations.
A day or two ago Trump said that he revived usage of the word groceries. He called it an old fashioned word. Someone that stupid should not be within a thousand miles of power.
Yeah, I've never heard that word before. Whatever does it mean? He must be a genius.
Trump's grocery interview reminded me of this old sketch from Monty Python:
Gone ... woody ... tinny
Thanks for sharing your opinion. It's interesting that you find no fault with all the damage the progressives have caused, and seemingly support all the fraud, waste and abuse the dismantling of USAID has uncovered.
More fantasy from you as you deflect from the challenge I presented.
You clearly cannot ...
his is the second time this seed you have posted this, and it seems more whining than anything else. Trump says some things that are far-fetched, and you (collective you) leftists latch onto them like they are the words of a god.
My advice, and it is friendly advice, is to let most of what he says go. He will bluster, and that is fine because he has gotten results good for the country on some things, but that doesn't mean it will destroy international relations, nor does it mean he will follow through on many things.
THAT is what you call being a strong leader.
BTW....Hegseth was a great pick. You just don't like him because he is a Trump pick. Nothing more.
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That is both idiotic and wrong. Do you see me make any negative comment about Marco Rubio (for example) for the most important cabinet position: SoS? No? So clearly your obnoxious claim that I do not like someone because Trump picked him is wrong. You are just making shit up.
Apparently you totally disregard the complexity and breadth of the DoD. The Secretary of Defense is first an Executive managing millions of people, billions of dollars and half a billion facilities. Do you NOT think that any other PotUS other than Trump would laugh you out of the room if you made your argument and proposed someone like Hegseth to run this massive organization?
Take a look at the most recent Secretaries of Defense in this millennium. Compare them to Hegseth:
William S. Cohen (January 24, 1997 – January 20, 2001)
Donald H. Rumsfeld (January 20, 2001 – December 18, 2006)
Robert M. Gates (December 18, 2006 – July 1, 2011)
Leon E. Panetta (July 1, 2011 – February 26, 2013)
Chuck Hagel (February 27, 2013 – February 17, 2015)
Ashton B. Carter (February 17, 2015 – January 20, 2017)
James N. Mattis (January 20, 2017 – December 31, 2018)
Patrick M. Shanahan (Acting; January 1, 2019 – June 23, 2019)
Mark T. Esper (July 23, 2019 – November 9, 2020)
Christopher C. Miller (Acting; November 9, 2020 – January 20, 2021)
Lloyd J. Austin III (January 22, 2021 – Present)
With the exception of Shanahan (Trump's interim SoD) these men all had substantial experience in the federal government with a concentration of experience dealing with the military or in high-ranking positions that would give a broad perspective of the complexities of US operations and the role of the DoD. Even Shanahan had substantial experience as a private citizen due to decades of working with the DoD as a Boeing executive.
Cohen and Hagel have the least DoD related experience but were long-standing senators.
Even Trump's first-term picks had good qualifications for the position.
And then we have this:
Pete Hegseth
Was pushed out for misuse of funds, womanizing and drinking.
Under what fantasy is this guy qualified to lead the armed forces of the United States? A high-level strategic and tactical executive position controlling our national defense. Nice academic credentials and achieving Major in the National Guard does not compare to the experience of the historical Secretaries of Defense. Then add in character, ethics, and utter failure in relatively easy executive positions and one would have to be irrational / irresponsible to nominate such a person for one of the most important cabinet positions.
So make your argument.
Present an actual argument for why Hegseth is a rational, responsible choice for Secretary of Defense.
My bet is that you like Hegseth simply because Trump picked him and ignore his negative factors and that you would support any nominee of Trump's.
Quit taunting me!
Do not engage me and then complain when I challenge you in response.
In a forum, when someone makes a claim, they should expect to be challenged. When someone dodges a challenge with bullshit, they should expect to be called on it.
No, that is what you call being a fool in a leader's job. He does not know a great deal about the substance of what he is signing. He just wants to put out so much crap all at once that non-maga people will be overwhelmed so that some of his BS can make it through unremarked upon.
Hegseth is unfit to lead the DOJ.
The FBI will be neutered on the domestic extremism front. People who should be in prison are now talking about how they are going to exact retribution on the people who put them there. That is not justice, that is revenge, and it is wrong. Trump is a very small man pretending to be big. He is ruining our status among both friends and enemies. All while clueless maga crow over perceptions of power and encourage his despotic intentions.
Your opinion but what he has done has worked so far. Your opinion is obviously wrong.
"Hegseth is unfit to lead the DOJ. "
Again, your opinion. Unfortunately for you, Trump and 53 percent of America disagree with you,
More than half of America says you are wrong, and I agree with them.
I notice you don't go back to Clinton days, just when you feel you can make an argument. Two of the three Clinton appointees were nothing more than defense contractors and congressmen. No military experience, period. Same thing with Shanahan.
Same thing with Hagel, except he was an infantry in Vietnam, but since he was an Obama pick, you are OK with it.
Something that needs to be realized. Hegseth is your Secretary of Defense whether you like it or not.
Get over it.
What are you talking about? You think half of American citizens think Hegseth is a good choice? Prove it.
Don't you think my post was long enough already going back 25 years? You are deflecting. Of course, you cannot possibly defend Hegseth.
And of course you invent your own little reality and attribute it to me.
Funny how you ignore the negatives of Hegseth and ignore that Hagel:
But importantly, you totally ignore the collective qualifications illustrated over the past 25 years and have offered no defense of Hegseth's negative.
You offer nothing but bullshit.
That's the ideal for the big government types. They know how the system works from both sides so they keep the grift in place and don't rock the boat. People with those qualifications are why the department can't pass an audit.
Donald Trump : Approval Polls | FiveThirtyEight
Overall 49 percent approval, which transfers to same about Trump's picks. Looking at it any other way is delusional.
" And of course you invent your own little reality and attribute it to me."
Overall post history shows I am correct.
"unny how you ignore the negatives of Hegseth and ignore that Hagel:
Hmmmm...where is the military experience. Wit...here it is...(crickets chirping)
" defense of Hegseth's negative."
Because the majority of that "negative" is from anonymous sources, and even from an ex sister in law that was debunked by the actual ex wife. but you knew that already.
" You offer nothing but bullshit."
The irony
It is amazing how the leftists on here would rather a bureaucrat run the biggest expense of this country instead of someone with actual military experience that knows the ends and outs of that agency. I, as a retired military, don't give a fuck what these leftists think.
Please don't use the word grift without attaching Donald Trump's name to it he's the one who sold Bibles with his name on the front cover
That is not a poll on Hegseth! I showed you a 2 out of 10 approval for Hegseth. You ignore it and put forth an approval poll for Trump. Further, you are resorting to the argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Of course, ignore the facts and just make a claim. How unusual.
Works for Trump so why not you too, eh?
Hegseth is a failed baby executive who is now chief executive over one of the most complex and important departments in the Federal government. How utterly irresponsible of Trump and the rubber-stamping GOPs in the Senate.
More bullshit.
Nothing but 'nuh-uh' from you.
Your quote:
And again:
Not really. Your first quote is wrong, but within the statistical margin of error, and to think that every action and nominee is held as equal and can be somehow all represented by one number is, to use your word, delusional.
I bet that DOGE doesn't look at the defense department.
Also, in his hearings Hegseth was shown to be clueless on the jobs actual responsibilities. He is a stuffed suite who is in there solely to break down the institution so it can be remade in Trump's image. Putin et al are laughing their asses off right now looking at how much Trump is fucking America.
Bet they do. It's been mentioned more than once if you are paying attention.
"Also, in his hearings Hegseth was shown to be clueless on the jobs actual responsibilities. He is a stuffed suite who is in there solely to break down the institution so it can be remade in Trump's image."
Nice opinion.......but wrong
"Putin et al are laughing their asses off right now looking at how much Trump is fucking America."
I can assure you Putin would have rather had the DEI hire ex VP as president.
Why would people positively approve of Trump but not approve of his nominees.
Most on the left have become so far unhinged with Trump it is almost impossible to show them reality.
Wonder why that is s/
Good grief man, do you actually think that everyone who approves of Trump would automatically approve of everything he does?
Do you not recognize that there are some people, including those who voted for Trump, who actually do think for themselves and do not blindly defer to Trump on everything?
I think I have heard this somewhere before: Opinions do vary.
That took awhile...
See this is where simplistic stereotypes cause you, et. al., to get things wrong.
You have never noticed that I have stated that I have plenty of family and friends who are Trump supporters and that my best friend is a Trump supporter? Do you somehow think that I believe these folks are all incapable of thinking for themselves?
The problem is that there are too many people who do indeed believe whatever Trump says and approve of whatever he does. Do you see the problem with that?
Because people are not monolithic.
I know some would just like to go and vote only once, after all it is soooo hard keeping up on all of the bullshit spewing out of the administration. Just walk in, pull the one lever or fill in the dot and they won't have to do it again for four years, or maybe never. Then they can get on with their tik-tok and other mental cognition depressors.... /s
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Yes, I have noticed some of those posts. As well as posts where you claimed the portion of the electorate that voted for Trump were unpatriotic and delusional and failed America.
No, I don't think that at all. They're obviously personal acquaintances and I doubt that someone as informed as you would associate with people not capable of that...
Partisanship? Yes... do you?
So trump posted his tax returns?
No, Greg, I have stated that it is unpatriotic, irrational, and irresponsible to vote for Trump. And now same applies for supporting Trump. Pay better attention.
Do the math, Greg. I have had my fill of stupid questions.
So.... what I said
Mmmkay, have a good evening
Just amazing. You cannot distinguish labeling a person themself as unpatriotic from labeling an act of the person unpatriotic.
Even after it is explained to you.
Amazing.
How many unpatriotic acts does a person have to commit before they are considered to be an unpatriotic person?
23½
No doubt, Amazing....
Being how your posts show over and over you believe this, yes.
"Do you not recognize that there are some people, including those who voted for Trump, who actually do think for themselves and do not blindly defer to Trump on everything?"
I do, but your posts evidently show you don't.
You have....but not from me
When did trmp ever actually step foot in a grocery store?
They are going after the workforce, not the true bloat. Right now they are gutting the countries ability to detect and deal with fraud. Now why would they do that?
The workforce IS the bloat
"Right now they are gutting the countries ability to detect and deal with fraud."
No they are not. The same business will be conducted, but by less people. Many of them are protected from being fired, no matter how much of a drag on taxpayer money they are.
"Now why would they do that"
I don't know. Ask your friends on the left. They are the ones fighting it so hard.
Say the Foxes now being put in charge of the hen houses and putting those pesky expensive hound dogs out of work.
"The same 'business' will be conducted, no chickens will go missing on our watch, so don't worry, and while we're at it, there's really no need for these security camera's just wasting energy, right?"
"Just trust us!! What's the worst that could happen..."
"Now where's my bib, napkins and bottle of chianti...".
Also, for those who have trouble with math as I see regularly around here:
77,284,118 voted for Donald Trump (not quite the 81,284,666 Biden got in 2020 but still impressive)
79,018,200 voted against Donald Trump
So, Trump fans can stop claiming that " More than half " of voters elected him or supported him, they did not. And that clearly indicates there was and is no mandate for a Trump agenda desired by a majority of Americans. That is a lie pure and simple that is desperately desired to be true by dirty Donald ball sweat gargling fanatics but simply isn't no matter how much of Trumps jockey juice they bathe in.
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No. The true bloat is in the contracts. That is where shit gets really expensive. You have been in the military a long time? You know that he doesn't want oversight of his contracts.
No that dude Ricky Maddow on MSDNC did it for him.
He looked the fool that he is for doing it.
“The true bloat is in the contracts. That is where shit gets really expensive”
And that will also be looked at. Essential military contracts will remain in place. Hegseth and his staff will oversee this.
However, there are way too many ‘civil servants’ in government. Hell you can go to any military ID issue office and find one person behind a window and at least 5 sitting at desks staring at computer screens. In the meantime, the line for an ID is at least a dozen people long.
You have no idea what he wants. Will you retract your statement if oversight is done with any defense contract?
I will retract my statement if he has a truly independent auditor look at all the contracts. Not Musk or his cronies. There is entirely to much self interest for him to do so.
He was a DUI hire.
he's never pumped a gallon of gas in his life either ...
... at least at a gas station anyway.
Donald Trump has made a career - several successive careers, in fact - of lying.
Anyone who pays any attention at all knows that nothing he says may be taken at face value.
The only people who believe anything he says are those who have determinedly decided to believe, without reference to truth.
This is a taste of what Democrats are freaking out about. Simple common sense:
To be clear, what the Doge team and Us Treasury have jointly agreed makes sense is the following:
- Require that all outgoing government payments have a payment categorization code, which is necessary in order to pass financial audits. This is frequently left blank, making audits almost impossible.
- All payments must also include a rationale for the payment in the comment field, which is currently left blank. Importantly, we are not yet applying ANY judgment to this rationale, but simply requiring that SOME attempt be made to explain the payment more than NOTHING!
- The DO-NOT-PAY list of entities known to be fraudulent or people who are dead or are probable fronts for terrorist organizations or do not match Congressional appropriations must actually be implemented and not ignored. Also, it can currently take up to a year to get on this list, which is far too long. This list should be updated at least weekly, if not daily.
The above super obvious and necessary changes are being implemented by existing, long-time career government employees, not anyone from DOGE
It is ridiculous that these changes didn’t exist already! Yesterday, I was told that there are currently over $100B/year of entitlements payments to individuals with no SSN or even a temporary ID number. If accurate, this is extremely suspicious. When I asked if anyone at Treasury had a rough guess for what percentage of that number is unequivocal and obvious fraud, the consensus in the room was about half, so $50B/year or $1B/week!! This is utterly insane and must be addressed immediately.
Only people intent on fraud could object to these basic precautions any small business would have to track expenses.
You quite obviously did not watch the video. Watch it, then comment.
As to your contention that "the Democrats (of which party I do not count myself a member) are freaking out about" I would say that you have built yourself a fine straw man, in that those little anecdotal factoids are not what has the people of the country so upset. For an example of what we are upset about, see TiG's post 2.5
Does Musk agree to the same level of scrutiny on his companies dealings with the government as he demands of everyone else.
Why does the idea of auditing for fraud and waste of taxpayer dollars bother you so much?
Do you think Musk's businesses aren't subject to audit?
I asked you if Musks companies dealings with the government will be as subject to as much scrutiny as he wants the government agencies to be.
Probably more so.
So, you favor judas...got it
All the taunting of the "libs" over the Constitution and how it was Obama that was the "dictator" was just a joke apparently.
They embrace a known liar who said he would be a "dictator on day one" his supporters said his dictator promise was just Trump "joking".
The only time Trump didn't lie was when he promised to be a dictator on day one and now there is nothing his supporters can do to change it.
How can any group of people want an authoritarian takeover crashing the rule of law and the Constitution?
This deconstruction of America , our laws and our Constitution was the goal. There is a reason Trump praised China's Communist dictator Xi. He wants the same dictatorial powers with no dissent from any Americans.
Where are the Independents, the Libertarians, the " Tea Party Patriots", the right wing Constitutionalists?
Complete American downfall to hand over everything to Musk and 17 billionaires appointed to this administration to take our tax dollars and our freedoms to say no.
Why isn't MAGA dancing in the street? All this wasn't enough to make you happy you finally owned the "libs"?
MAGA has it all now, everything they ever dreamed of.
I don't know, what are your thoughts?...
It would likely have to be a group of people who rely more on faith than science, who regularly ridicule higher education, favor going with their intuition or "gut" over facts that contradict their closely held beliefs and who also feel like they are the only "real" Americans and everyone else is just a godless perverted thief and usurper of their country. Now where might we find some folk like that?...
about 9000 miles from here would be my preference ...
EXCELLENT PRESENTATION by Ezra Klein! Just perfect. Worth the watch in triplicate.