US federal judge blocks Trump executive order barring transgender military service

This should never have been a MAGA decision to make.

Now it will end up in the Supreme Court and we will see how much they will bend the knee. 

Now it will end up in the Supreme Court and we will see how much they will bend the knee.

Will SCOTUS allow the government (Trump) to discriminate against a subset of American citizens?

It's perfectly legal for the armed forces  to  discriminate against a subset of american citizens and always will be. 

It's perfectly legal for the armed forces  to  discriminate against a subset of american citizens and always will be.

So in your "opinion" the military can say that blacks cannot serve?  Christians cannot serve? 

Nope.

Nope.

Make up your mind.  Or is it they they can discriminate against a subset of American citizens as long as you don't like that subset?

No. It is very obvious.  Do you need it explained?  

So why would the military allow someone with a mental illness to join? seems like you are just asking for trouble.

So why would the military allow someone with a mental illness to join?

The catch to this whole thing is - THEY DON'T.  If those with their hair on fire over this did some research, they would find that the EO references specific regulations.  In those regulations, it outlines disqualifying factors for service.  Mental illnesses do not qualify for service.  There are some other requirements that disqualify a person from service:

DoDI 6130-03 Volume 1

a. Unless otherwise stipulated, the conditions listed in this section are those that do not meet the standard by virtue of current diagnosis, or for which the candidate has a verified past medical history. The medical standards for appointment, enlistment, or induction into the Military Services are classified into general systems in Paragraphs 6.2. through 6.30.

Ironic that someone who has no working knowledge of the military is offering an "opinion"

I don't mean you, Ozz

Do you need it explained?

Yes. 

In one comment you stated that the military could discriminate against a subset of Americans.

In another comment you said that the military could NOT discriminate against a subset of Americans.

You seem to want your cake and eat it too.

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Yes. 

Okay. I thought George made it clear.  

The military discriminates against tall americans, short americans, old americans, fat americans,  dumb americans, crazy americans, americans with tattoos in the wrong places, asthmatic american, americans with fallen arches, physically disabled americans, mentally disabled americans etc..

I thought George made it clear.

Hoping he would do the job for you?

And no, the military does not discriminate against the people you have listed.  They may not put them into a combat location, but the military does hire all those that you have listed.  They even accept people with bones spurs, though that example can be used to avoid the draft.

You seem remarkably unaware of the American military, their hiring practices, and their requirement to adhere to the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

oping he would do the job for you?

He literally was nice enough to explain it for you. You should thank him.

military does not discriminate against the people you have listed. \

[✘] Of course the military discriminates against Americans with those characteristics. Google is your friend.

Of course the military discriminates against  Americans with those characteristics. Google is your friend.

But apparently Google is not you friend.

Do you even know what the Americans with Disabilities Act is?  You seem not to based on your unsubstantiated claims.  You praise Google, yet provide no links that support your claim.  Ironic.

Do you even know what the Americans with Disabilities Act is?

Of course.  So please go read it  and come back and tell us whether it applies to active duty military personal. 

So are you dishonestly conflating 2 different items in you comments because you are wrong? we are not talking about civilians working in NON-Service roles, the article is about,

military service

Do you understand what that term means, because the ADA has absolutely no function there. 

So why would the military allow someone with a mental illness to join?

They do let religious conservatives who believe in and pray to invisible spirit beings that they can't prove exist, what would be so bad about letting someone who believes they were a man born in a woman's body or vice versa join the military? Both men and women are allowed to join, so it doesn't really matter if they profess to be one or the other, does it? And there exists FAR more evidence that transgender persons exist than there is evidence of any God, let alone the Hebrew God of the Old Testament. So, who really has the mental illness?

military service

Do you understand what that term means, because the ADA has absolutely no function there.

So.... in your mind, "military service" is only in combat action and not in any support services.  Military service means you are working in "service" to the "military", NOT ONLY COMBAT SITUATIONS.

Military service means you are working in "service" to the "military", NOT ONLY COMBAT SITUATIONS.

For those with functioning abilities to think, "military service" refers to those who SERVE AS PART OF THE ARMED FORCES.  What you are referring to are DoD Civilians and contractors.

For those in MILITARY SERVICE, the regulation linked in 1.1.7 applies.  For DoD Civilians and contractors, there are sperate standards that apply (i.e.29 CFR, 49, CFR, etc.)

For those with functioning abilities to think, "military service" refers to those who SERVE AS PART OF THE ARMED FORCES.  What you are referring to are DoD Civilians and contractors.

So you are saying that the military does not employ any NON-COMBAT employees?  Who fixes the vehicles, the computers?  Who washes the uniforms?  Who does the paperwork?

Your comment shows a complete lack of knowledge concerning the military.  

Who fixes the vehicles

For the Army a wheeled vehicle mechanics is a 91B,

goarmy

he computers? 

IT specialists are generally 25B. 

goarmy

Who washes the uniforms

Laundry are 92S. 

Who does the paperwork

HR related jobs are generally 42S.  

goarmy

There is a Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) for every function you can think of.  And they are all members of the military.  

I spent 13 years as a 13J 

goarmy

and 13 years as an 88M

goarmy

And each branch has the same jobs.  The difference are the MOS identifiers.

And i bet they all have to pass PT standards if they are active duty and are also subject to the military grooming requirements as well as dress code. no purple long hair with a Patty name tag when were born Bob.

Your comment shows a complete lack of knowledge concerning the military.

And Jeremy's show a complete lack of knowledge of the American military.

And Jeremy's show a complete lack of knowledge of the American military.

You ask questions like #1.1.20 then make the claim I lack the knowledge?  

And i bet they all have to pass PT standards if they are active duty and are also subject to the military grooming requirements as well as dress code. 

Exactly.  Appearance standards, height and weight standards, physical standards, education standards the list goes on.

no purple long hair with a Patty name tag when were born Bob.

That's where the DODI 6130-03 Volume 1 comes in.

I wonder if this judge looked up the regulations that the EO cited or is just running off the typical anti-Trump rhetoric.

Absolutely amazing.  Wonder if the "judge" knows what the definition and responsibilities of a "District Federal Judge" are?

District - means just that.  The "honorable" judge is responsible for the "District" they were/authorized, by Congress.

District judges serve in 91 U.S. district courts across the country. They handle civil and criminal cases. A district court judge typically is responsible for supervising the pretrial process and conducting trials, which includes a variety of procedures including:

• managing the selection of juries and the instructions jurors receive throughout a trial;
• ruling on admission of evidence;
• pleas in criminal cases;
• resolving any issues surrounding the acceptance of the verdict and entry of judgment; and
• sentencing the defendant if a trial results in conviction.

The United States district courts are the trial courts of the U.S. federal judiciary. There is one district court for each federal judicial district of which there are 91. Each district covers one U.S. state or a portion of a state. There is at least one federal courthouse in each district, and many districts have more than one. District court decisions are appealed to the U.S. court of appeals for the circuit in which they reside, except for certain specialized cases that are appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit or directly to the U.S. Supreme Court.

District courts are courts of law, equity, and admiralty, and can hear both civil and criminal cases. But unlike U.S. state courts, federal district courts are courts of limited jurisdiction, and can only hear cases that involve disputes between residents of different states, questions of federal law, or federal crimes.

Her "Honor" needs to understand that her decisions are based on their impact on HER DISTRICT - not of the entirety of the U.S.

The judge is seriously overreaching in the matter.  No surprise there.  Just like the judge telling the Trump to turn the plane carrying violent illegals around.

I would have put them in a bus and unloaded them in the Judges neighborhood with t-shirts that read, Thank you Judge James Boasberg, for the ability to rape a pillage this community.

I would have put them in a bus and unloaded them in the Judges neighborhood with t-shirts that read, Thank you Judge James Boasberg, for the ability to rape a pillage this community.

" research indicates that immigrants commit less crimes than U.S.-born people."

" They found that undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime."

Immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S.-born : NPR

Data does not support claims that the United States is experiencing a surge in crime caused by immigrants.

Debunking the Myth of the ‘Migrant Crime Wave’ | Brennan Center for Justice

The evidence is overwhelming that  immigrants in the United States  have had a lower crime rate than native-born Americans since at least the 19th century. When people learn that fact, they aren’t surprised that  legal immigrants  have a lower crime rate than native-born Americans, but they are surprised that it’s also true for  illegal immigrants . 

Why Do Illegal Immigrants Have a Low Crime Rate? 12 Possible Explanations | Cato at Liberty Blog

Perhaps you should show up yourself in a t-shirt that says "Thank you America for the ability to rape and pillage this community at even greater rates than any undocumented immigrants ever would".

" They found that undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime."

This line is 100% complete bullshit because it is limiting in scope, 100% of undocumented are criminals by definition, so we Don't "convict" them we just throw their worthless asses out.

100% of undocumented are criminals by definition

And 100% of people who go over the speed limit by 1 mile an hour are criminals just as much as most undocumented immigrants, which is to say, in the vast majority of cases it's a misdemeanor usually punishable by a fine if any penalty at all.

The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not, standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading. Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But many undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but overstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visas in some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented immigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].

FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Being present in the United States without legal documentation is in itself not a crime.

Undocumented immigrants still have constitutional rights, including the right to counsel if accused of a crime. The constitution uses the term “person” or “people” living within its jurisdiction,, not the word “citizen”. 

Is Being an Undocumented Immigrant a Crime? | Dhar Law LLP

If they made stupidity a crime, then we'd have to arrest vast swaths of conservatives who believe they know far more than they actually do.