No. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing for my 401k. Stocks are cheaper now, and the longer they stay down before going back up, which they eventually will, the more shares I will own than if they had not gone down. So, I'll have even more money in the 401k than I would have otherwise, once they rebound.
The value of my 401k has gone down quite a lot over the last couple of weeks. That is not the same as me actually losing money in my 401k. If I sell while the value of the stocks are low, then I'd lose money. If I hold on to them, I haven't lost anything and, historically, the value goes back up.
There are other factors that can have an effect on all this, but at this point, it doesn't really matter. If one was worried about the effects of the tariffs, they probably should have moved their 401k's from stocks to bonds as soon as Trump took office. As it is, those who didn't have missed the boat and doing so now is a bad idea in my opinion, as they actually will likely lose money. Sure, you could switch back to stocks if you think stocks are on their way back up, but market timing is one of the riskiest parts of investing and is not generally recommended for most people. I think it's much better to stick it out at this point and just keep buying the now cheaper stocks. I think it will pay off in the long run.
If one was worried about the effects of the tariffs, they probably should have moved their 401k's from stocks to bonds as soon as Trump took office.
I’ve been waiting for this for about two years. Not happening how and when I thought but it is happening. Two years prior to retirement I worked my 401 from 70-30 to 20-80, Equity to cash equivalent ratio. Averaging profits out. Made more money in that two years than I made in the previous ten. Getting ready to pull the “buy” trigger again. Work it maybe to the 50-50 range.
That is what Thelma told Louise as they went over the cliff...
No, that is what Biden and his flunkies told their sheep as inflation climbed to 9 percent and continued to climb at a fairly high rate for the rest of his term.
Names such as Big Lots, Bowflex, Express (& Bonobos), JoAnn, LL Flooring, Party City, Red Lobster (went bankrupt, many people sold the stock, but that one's adifferent as someone bought the company andnit may do well), Spirit Airlines, Stoli Vodka, TGI Fridays, Tru Value, Tupperware.
Names such as Big Lots, Bowflex, Express (& Bonobos), JoAnn, LL Flooring, Party City, Red Lobster (went bankrupt, many people sold the stock, but that one's adifferent as someone bought the company andnit may do well), Spirit Airlines, Stoli Vodka, TGI Fridays, Tru Value, Tupperware.
Historically, they always go up and they always go down.
And yes, companies going extinct and it's stock becoming worthless is one way we can lose money, regardless of what we do, but that's going to be rare for most funds. Of the 24 you list as going bankrupt, probably not many funds even held them at the time, as part of their job is to monitor such things and delete them from their portfolios for some other investment. In other words, funds can see it coming and bail long before they go out of business. Funds weren't blindsided by Polaroid.
Do you recognize that many people invest in the market to keep ahead of inflation? And when the market drops precipitously, investors lose time and inflation wins a battle.
Next, and more important, consider retirees who are living off of their nest egg which is almost certainly going to have a portion in the market (albeit with more conservative stocks and other instruments). When the market drops, what happens to their nest egg? Any portion that they must realize for normal income (normal expenses) comes from the deflated value. Thus what was a dollar of income a month ago might now be 88 cents.
So while this has minimal effect on securities that are strategically long term, this is bad news for those people who necessarily must liquidate some of their assets (like retirees).
Bottom line, Trump unnecessarily took a strong market with good earnings with a fairly optimistic future still and wiped out a year of good growth.
The market might rebound if the tariffs go away. More than likely (sans tariffs) it will go a bit higher (possibly to DOW 40,000) and will take its time to get back to where we were (assuming nothing impacts its growth ... which is unlikely).
There is nothing good about Trump's tariff policies. The concept is stupid and the execution is incompetent.
The vast majority of the signs look professionally made.
You're kidding, right?
Good response!
Oftimes when someone knows they are losing an argument they try to create a valid argument-- but its usually pretty obvious what's going on. (The usual repsonse to that on social media forums is usually "Is that the best you can do")
The vast majority of the signs look professionally made.
You're kidding, right?
Good response!
Oftimes when someone knows they are losing an argument they try to create a valid argument-- but its usually pretty obvious what's going on. (The usual repsonse to that on social media forums is usually "Is that the best you can do")
And there's another aspect to this-- while its obviously not the case here, what if several people don't mind spending a little cash, and wanted to save time-- so they do have signs professionally made.
And if that's the case here (which its obiously not)-- does that negate the fact that Yuge numbers of people turned out nationwide, the message of their signs (regardless of the degree of "artistry" of their signs) is significant!
(Yes-- even if some signs are professionally made)
Please continue. Give us the hallmarks of a professionally made sign and identify them in the “vast majority” of these pictures
Your comment gave me an interesting idea. We should suggest it to Buzz for his next quiz. Why not have him show ten of these signs, and each participant in the quiz will have to guess (for each sign) whether its professionally made or not?
Your comment gave me an interesting idea. We should suggest it to Buzz for his next quiz. Why not have him show ten of these signs, and each participant in the quiz will have to guess (for each sign) whether its professionally made or not?
An aside to Buzz: Nothing in this comment is intended as a clue as to the answers to any quiz, past, present, or future.
The vast majority of the signs look professionally made.
I don't think so!
I 've been to many, many protests. As a participant. And many more merely as an observer.
When there's only one individual-- or only one group-- behind a protest demonstration, everyone has identical signs. (Or in some cases there may be only two types-- and lots of each).
You'd never see such variety if it was one group behind it-- there's so much variety here!
You call Trump protestors “mindless liberal sheep” yet you routinely support his every word and action—rarely offering any defense when challenged.
Do you support Trump’s tariffs? Do you understand that they are essentially a consumption tax? Do you believe they will ultimately result in increasing the wealth of the average American citizen?
Do you support Trump's reversal on lowering prices, choosing instead to pursue policies that trigger inflation, wiped out trillions in stock value, and damaged international relationships?
Do you believe Trump's claim that the Ukraine war wouldn’t have started if he were president—yet now, even with all the influence he claims to have over Putin, he can’t seem to get him to the negotiating table?
If you support Trump no matter what he says or does, how exactly is that not acting like the perfect sheep?
You call Trump protestors “mindless liberal sheep”
That is "mostly peaceful mindless liberal sheep" according to the lame steam media.
Do you support Trump’s tariffs?
Yes, I do. Our supposed allies can go fuck themselves. If they can put tariffs on US products, then we can put tariffs on theirs. How else are you going to get multinational corporations to bring back manufacturing jobs to the US? In case you missed it so do Unions which normally support Democrats.
Do you understand that they are essentially a consumption tax?
Heard that BS during Trump's first term when he slapped tariffs on Chinese products. Economy was damn good during Trump's first term. And Brandon left the Trump tariffs on China in place- about the only damn thing Brandon didn't wreck after assuming office.
Do you believe they will ultimately result in increasing the wealth of the average American citizen?
It will take time; but yes. In case you missed it billions of dollars of foreign and US investment have poured into the US since Trump announced the tariffs.
Took Brandon 4 years just to get 700 billion in total investments. Trump hasn't even been in office for a full year and it is over 3 trillion in new investments. Problem is it will take years for those investments to be fully realized. I am sure some Democrat jackass is just waiting to try to take credit for the investments that Trump has brought in 2028.
Do you support Trump's reversal on lowering prices, choosing instead to pursue policies that trigger inflation, wiped out trillions in stock value, and damaged international relationships?
Heard of short term pain for long term gain? Inflation was going back up during Brandon's last year in office- not a damn peep out of leftists. Neither Brandon nor Kamala had any damn plan on how to bring down inflation. It was going to more massive government spending; and the same bullshit policies that brought on inflation in the first place.
Since when do leftists care about the stock market- except when it is the only thing they have to hang their hat on? Didn't hear shit from leftists during the two massive dips the market took under Obama. It went back up again after those dips; it will again this time. I am sure only the rich will benefit from this dip just like they have the other times.
Do you believe Trump's claim that the Ukraine war wouldn’t have started if he were president
The war started under Brandon's weak and pathetic leadership- right after his disastrous pullout form Afghanistan. Who knows if it would have started if Trump were in office? Certainly not TDS sufferers who tried to blame Trump for Putin's invasion of Ukraine anyways.
yet now, even with all the influence he claims to have over Putin, he can’t seem to get him to the negotiating table?
He has gotten further than Brandon ever did- who had no exit plan after entering the US into the proxy quagmire that is Ukraine. Trump is also saddled with Zelenskyy the faux John Wayne in tailored khakis and his Democrat backers trying to poison the negotiating waters. Can't set preconditions and expect Russia to come running to the negotiating table. As for Putin "not coming to the negotiating table" negotiations are ongoing in case you missed it.
Sorry leftists are disappointed that US funding for the war in Ukraine will not continue forever. Many of us are stilling waiting for the promised EU military we were all promised from Trump's first term. Our European "allies" are all talk when it comes to providing for their own defense.
If you support Trump no matter what he says or does, how exactly is that not acting like the perfect sheep?
Too hilarious. I don't support Trump in everything he does. I think his tariff against Australia is asinine. Australia doesn't have a tariff against US goods. I think his over the top pro Israel stance will result in either displacement or genocide for the Palestinians. Trump is allowing Bibi to say the quiet parts out loud now; and act like the Zionist he truly is. Of course I didn't agree with Brandon's token gestures to the Palestinians with literally dropping aid on their heads; and his worthless temporary port with no distribution system to get food into Gaza. He did jack shit of nothing to rein in Israel either; outside of playing lip service. Which he did with Iran, Russia, China, etc- "Don't" meant go right the damn well ahead and do it. It wasn't like Brandon was going to do anything to stop anyone.
Trump wasn't my first choice for president; but with our broken two party system- he was the lesser of two evils.
Of course no answer will be forthcoming.
You got your answer; now you can respond to this question. "How is being anti Trump on everything not being a perfect sheep?"
The comment is about liberal protesters. The article is about liberal protesters. Your questions are about Trump.Not every article needs to be about Trump.
Captain Obvious here: What were the protests about?
The comment is about liberal protesters. The article is about liberal protesters. Your questions are about Trump.Not every article needs to be about Trump.
Of course while the article is about a specific protest, what were the protests about?
In case you missed it billions of dollars of foreign and US investment have poured into the US since Trump announced the tariffs.
Ah-- so that explains why the stock market id behaving this way! (As an owner of stocks, I hope people stop pouring aid and investment into the U;S.-- because its making my stocks go down!)
Some real ingenuity was put into some of the signs. I applaud the creativity and for the most part the accuracy.
My question - Will the insults change anything?
Unfortunately, Trump does not care what people think of him, in his own mind he is a genius, handsome and wise but in reality he is nuts with followers that are only interested in what they get from him.
I do think these get togethers will rally voters for the mid-terms against Republican candidates in swing districts so that is the big takeaway for me.
Trump is influenced by polls, and these protests significantly impact public opinion. In that sense, they serve an important purpose. The first step in countering Trump is his supporters waking up.
....the first step is getting opposition to Trump organized with a message for the people, a plan of action and a leader in place before planning for elections in 2026.
....the second step is drawing back the middle of road (don't like democrats or republicans) that were lost to Trump in 2024
Trump does not care - he is in the office and he will be in the office until Jan 2029and he knows it. He is not running for election
he first step is getting opposition to Trump organized with a message for the people, a plan of action and a leader in place before planning for elections in 2026.
Liberals already did that and failed in 2024. Very slim chance they will get their act together before 2026. After all, their leaders consist of Bernie, AOC, Spartacus and the nasty venomous loser that is from Texas.
Trump does not care - he is in the office and he will be in the office until Jan 2029and he knows it.
Trump most definitely cares about being popular. He fragile ego is the quickest way to curb his bad behavior. As long as his supporters keep blindly supporting him, he will continue.
opposition to Trump organized with a message for the people, a plan of action and a leader in place
???
But what they didn't have in their favor back then was a president from the opposing party who made the market crash, appointed people who had a pubic chat revealingtopsecret ibnfo, and the deportation of some people who were innocent to a horrendous prison in Central America!
I wonder about that. Insults often get in the way of the message, as does stopping traffic and being an overall nuisance. IMO most folks will see the protests on TV and change the channel .
Unfortunately, Trump does not care what people think of him, in his own mind he is a genius, handsome and wise but in reality he is nuts with followers that are only interested in what they get from him.
It is hard to care what people think if you believe you are the smartest person in the room.
I do think these get togethers will rally voters for the mid-terms against Republican candidates in swing districts so that is the big takeaway for me.
Maybe but I think what Trump is doing and how it affects people will have a bigger impact on the midterms.
IDK, but my guess is that in the case of the people who uses insults frequently-- that behaviour shows more about the insulter then about the"Insultee"!!!
Trump and some of his supporters have denied that the tariffs are a "bargaining tactic" and that in fact there's no way he's going to change any of the tariffs. .
I could be wrong, but my guess is that as a result of these protests (and especially the large sizes of protests nationwide) he will change his position, and decrease (or in some cases eliminate) all these tariffs.
Trump and some of his supporters have denied that the tariffs are a "bargaining tactic" and that in fact there's no way he's going to change any of the tariffs. . I could be wrong, but my guess is that as a result of these protests (and especially the large sizes of protests nationwide) he will change his position, and decrease (or in some cases eliminate) all these tariffs.
And in many cases, as a direct result of the vast size of these protests, changes will come as soon as the next few days!
I do not doubt that there may be changes to the tariffs, but I think it will be for reasons other than Trump being influenced by the protests (perhaps pressure from splits in the MAGA ranks in Congress) because he is not running for anything anymore and his type personality doesn't give two shits about what people say about him other than bathing in the praise.
The good news appears to be protesters were kept busy shouting at the sky and were therefore too preoccupied to continue vandalizing each other's electric cars.
The bad news is clearly that the American left is clearly determined to demonstrate that no matter how bad Trump gets, they can still be at least that bad an alternative.
they can still be at least that bad an alternative.
Well, you may have a point there...?
Could it be possible (?). And while none of the people at this event are not, in reality, actually vandalizing peoples' cars there,. . . is it possible that some of them might just are badding people's cars?
And while none of the people at this event are not, in reality, actually vandalizing peoples' cars there
OK, so the irony that I thought would be more obvious here is these lunatics who have been vandalizing these cars are all liberals... and historically the owners of most Teslas are also liberals.
It's not like Elon owns any of these cars, but I guess that observation just eludes crazy people. BTW, they are not crazy because of their political views per se, they are crazy because they think their political views justify criminal acts against innocent private citizens.
So giving the lunatics something else to occupy their attention should theoretically keep them from damaging each other's cars....at least temporarily.
I did not want to type it all out, so I asked my research colleague Chat GPT to. Specifically:
This post is packed with...
Straw man framing of protesters
Overgeneralization about political groups
Ad hominem and loaded language to dismiss opponents
False equivalence to morally balance extremes
And a dash of irony posing as logic
my Response: it seems to me like an argument of "From the few to the whole"
ChatGPT said:
Yes! You're absolutely right — what you’re pointing to is a specific kind of fallacy often called “composition” (or sometimes a variant of hasty generalization), which fits under that broader idea of “from the few to the whole.”
Fallacy: Composition (a.k.a. From the Few to the Whole)
Definition: Assuming that what is true of some members of a group must be true of the entire group.
In this case: The author sees (or hears about) a few individuals who:
Identify as liberal
Are allegedly vandalizing cars (possibly Teslas) Then concludes:
“Liberals are vandalizing Teslas.”
“The American left is crazy.”
“The left is just as bad as Trump.”
So it takes specific instances (or perhaps even assumptions about specific people), and uses them to indict the entire ideological group.
Why It's a Fallacy:
It ignores the diversity within the group.
It treats anecdotal or localized behavior as representative.
It makes a sweeping, unsupported claim.
Imagine seeing a few people in a fanbase act badly and saying the entire fanbase is unhinged. It’s lazy logic, but it's emotionally persuasive — which is why it shows up a lot in heated political rhetoric.
Your instinct was spot-on. "From the few to the whole" is a perfect lens to examine this post through.
But no, I thought it all out while I was reading your comment.
If you had thought about it yourself, you would see very quickly that what your GPT misrepresents most of what I said, owing probably to the fact that AI models don't understand sarcasm.
Out of curiosity....
Where there lots of conservatives at your protest?
Are there conservatives out vandalizing Teslas?
Have Teslas ever been popular among conservatives?
Does Elon own any of the cars being vandalized?
Those answers are all obviously no.
So your only argument here is to fabricate something to argue against.... a classic straw man.
Your comment fits into the classic "from the few to the many" trope that all good sleight-of-hand charlatans use. You just are having trouble recognizing that your comment was shown to be a fallacious misrepresentation of a broad and diverse section of the population and are currently undergoing a state of cognitive-dissonance as a result of someone pointing out that your subsequent list of questions has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
At least the country has not lost its sense of humor.
Interesting. The vast majority of the signs look professionally made. I wonder where they are coming from.
It burns, huh?
Not at all
Will you be doing it soon?
Will retirement accounts rebound soon?
If not, will you then admit you are wrong?
If history would repeat itself...
Yes
If not soon then, Trump and MAGA are PROVEN WRONG!
All indications are that markets are crashing, worldwide...
The decline is only transitory.
That is what Thelma told Louise as they went over the cliff...
That is what Biden told the country and half of the country bought it.
Your half of the country is in denial that we are in free fall...
Happy Black Monday! MAGA MAN MAGA here we go now!
No. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing for my 401k. Stocks are cheaper now, and the longer they stay down before going back up, which they eventually will, the more shares I will own than if they had not gone down. So, I'll have even more money in the 401k than I would have otherwise, once they rebound.
The value of my 401k has gone down quite a lot over the last couple of weeks. That is not the same as me actually losing money in my 401k. If I sell while the value of the stocks are low, then I'd lose money. If I hold on to them, I haven't lost anything and, historically, the value goes back up.
There are other factors that can have an effect on all this, but at this point, it doesn't really matter. If one was worried about the effects of the tariffs, they probably should have moved their 401k's from stocks to bonds as soon as Trump took office. As it is, those who didn't have missed the boat and doing so now is a bad idea in my opinion, as they actually will likely lose money. Sure, you could switch back to stocks if you think stocks are on their way back up, but market timing is one of the riskiest parts of investing and is not generally recommended for most people. I think it's much better to stick it out at this point and just keep buying the now cheaper stocks. I think it will pay off in the long run.
I’ve been waiting for this for about two years. Not happening how and when I thought but it is happening. Two years prior to retirement I worked my 401 from 70-30 to 20-80, Equity to cash equivalent ratio. Averaging profits out. Made more money in that two years than I made in the previous ten. Getting ready to pull the “buy” trigger again. Work it maybe to the 50-50 range.
One call to my broker and it’s go time.
No, that is what Biden and his flunkies told their sheep as inflation climbed to 9 percent and continued to climb at a fairly high rate for the rest of his term.
And Harris will win by 10 million votes
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Depends upon how you define "soon".
(I suppose it also depends to a large degree how you define "rebound")
And of course even if it does, a lot of damage has already been done...
What makes you so sure they will all go up?
(Have you ever owned shares of Polaroid stock?)
I googled this-- and the first list that came up was for the year 2024:
Here are 12 well-known companies that went bankrupt in 2024
Names such as Big Lots, Bowflex, Express (& Bonobos), JoAnn, LL Flooring, Party City, Red Lobster (went bankrupt, many people sold the stock, but that one's adifferent as someone bought the company andnit may do well), Spirit Airlines, Stoli Vodka, TGI Fridays, Tru Value, Tupperware.
And some don't go bankrupt and go out of business, but are doing poorly-- after years the company exists, but the stock price never recovers fully.
And at one point Sears was a thriving company....
Historically, they always go up and they always go down.
And yes, companies going extinct and it's stock becoming worthless is one way we can lose money, regardless of what we do, but that's going to be rare for most funds. Of the 24 you list as going bankrupt, probably not many funds even held them at the time, as part of their job is to monitor such things and delete them from their portfolios for some other investment. In other words, funds can see it coming and bail long before they go out of business. Funds weren't blindsided by Polaroid.
Do you recognize that many people invest in the market to keep ahead of inflation? And when the market drops precipitously, investors lose time and inflation wins a battle.
Next, and more important, consider retirees who are living off of their nest egg which is almost certainly going to have a portion in the market (albeit with more conservative stocks and other instruments). When the market drops, what happens to their nest egg? Any portion that they must realize for normal income (normal expenses) comes from the deflated value. Thus what was a dollar of income a month ago might now be 88 cents.
So while this has minimal effect on securities that are strategically long term, this is bad news for those people who necessarily must liquidate some of their assets (like retirees).
Bottom line, Trump unnecessarily took a strong market with good earnings with a fairly optimistic future still and wiped out a year of good growth.
The market might rebound if the tariffs go away. More than likely (sans tariffs) it will go a bit higher (possibly to DOW 40,000) and will take its time to get back to where we were (assuming nothing impacts its growth ... which is unlikely).
There is nothing good about Trump's tariff policies. The concept is stupid and the execution is incompetent.
Not in this article they don't. Most look thoughtful and individual. Some are laugh-out-loud funny.
Like any other rally, the premade ones probably came from a local print shop that the organizers of each individual rally went through.
it's important to remember what some people in america now think the definition of professional means ...
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Interesting that people would pay money to make clearly ledgible, properly spelled, humorous protest signs?
As opposed to...
Are you suggesting the protesters are each paying for their own sign? I would love to see a link supporting that.
"RESPECT ARE COUNTRY SPEAK ENGLISH"
"RESPECT ARE COUNTRY SPEAK ENGLISH"
Definitely professionally made (But the question is: "What profession was that?")
What, exactly, would you love about it???
because ya know...they could only get paid actors for these protetests
You're the one suggesting that the signs are professionally made.
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You're kidding, right?
Good response!
Oftimes when someone knows they are losing an argument they try to create a valid argument-- but its usually pretty obvious what's going on. (The usual repsonse to that on social media forums is usually "Is that the best you can do")
And there's another aspect to this-- while its obviously not the case here, what if several people don't mind spending a little cash, and wanted to save time-- so they do have signs professionally made.
And if that's the case here (which its obiously not)-- does that negate the fact that Yuge numbers of people turned out nationwide, the message of their signs (regardless of the degree of "artistry" of their signs) is significant!
(Yes-- even if some signs are professionally made)
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Your comment gave me an interesting idea. We should suggest it to Buzz for his next quiz. Why not have him show ten of these signs, and each participant in the quiz will have to guess (for each sign) whether its professionally made or not?
An aside to Buzz: Nothing in this comment is intended as a clue as to the answers to any quiz, past, present, or future.
I don't think so!
I 've been to many, many protests. As a participant. And many more merely as an observer.
When there's only one individual-- or only one group-- behind a protest demonstration, everyone has identical signs. (Or in some cases there may be only two types-- and lots of each).
You'd never see such variety if it was one group behind it-- there's so much variety here!
Very good! Thanks.
[ ✘ ] They appear to be mostly peaceful so far.
Here's the Tweet That Obliterates All the Anti-Elon/Trump Protests Today
You call Trump protestors “mindless liberal sheep” yet you routinely support his every word and action—rarely offering any defense when challenged.
Do you support Trump’s tariffs? Do you understand that they are essentially a consumption tax? Do you believe they will ultimately result in increasing the wealth of the average American citizen?
Do you support Trump's reversal on lowering prices, choosing instead to pursue policies that trigger inflation, wiped out trillions in stock value, and damaged international relationships?
Do you believe Trump's claim that the Ukraine war wouldn’t have started if he were president—yet now, even with all the influence he claims to have over Putin, he can’t seem to get him to the negotiating table?
If you support Trump no matter what he says or does, how exactly is that not acting like the perfect sheep?
Of course no answer will be forthcoming.
Why should there be? The comment is about liberal protesters. The article is about liberal protesters. Your questions are about Trump.
Not every article needs to be about Trump.
Because he labeled these people sheep yet routinely comments in support of Trump.
Because these people are protesting the Trump administration.
Get it?
(And look at your hypocritical @7.2 comment talking about Trump.)
Nice try but complete fail.
We (the commenter and myself) were talking about the signs, protests and the effect they might have.
That is "mostly peaceful mindless liberal sheep" according to the lame steam media.
Yes, I do. Our supposed allies can go fuck themselves. If they can put tariffs on US products, then we can put tariffs on theirs. How else are you going to get multinational corporations to bring back manufacturing jobs to the US? In case you missed it so do Unions which normally support Democrats.
Heard that BS during Trump's first term when he slapped tariffs on Chinese products. Economy was damn good during Trump's first term. And Brandon left the Trump tariffs on China in place- about the only damn thing Brandon didn't wreck after assuming office.
It will take time; but yes. In case you missed it billions of dollars of foreign and US investment have poured into the US since Trump announced the tariffs.
Took Brandon 4 years just to get 700 billion in total investments. Trump hasn't even been in office for a full year and it is over 3 trillion in new investments. Problem is it will take years for those investments to be fully realized. I am sure some Democrat jackass is just waiting to try to take credit for the investments that Trump has brought in 2028.
Heard of short term pain for long term gain? Inflation was going back up during Brandon's last year in office- not a damn peep out of leftists. Neither Brandon nor Kamala had any damn plan on how to bring down inflation. It was going to more massive government spending; and the same bullshit policies that brought on inflation in the first place.
Since when do leftists care about the stock market- except when it is the only thing they have to hang their hat on? Didn't hear shit from leftists during the two massive dips the market took under Obama. It went back up again after those dips; it will again this time. I am sure only the rich will benefit from this dip just like they have the other times.
The war started under Brandon's weak and pathetic leadership- right after his disastrous pullout form Afghanistan. Who knows if it would have started if Trump were in office? Certainly not TDS sufferers who tried to blame Trump for Putin's invasion of Ukraine anyways.
He has gotten further than Brandon ever did- who had no exit plan after entering the US into the proxy quagmire that is Ukraine. Trump is also saddled with Zelenskyy the faux John Wayne in tailored khakis and his Democrat backers trying to poison the negotiating waters. Can't set preconditions and expect Russia to come running to the negotiating table. As for Putin "not coming to the negotiating table" negotiations are ongoing in case you missed it.
Sorry leftists are disappointed that US funding for the war in Ukraine will not continue forever. Many of us are stilling waiting for the promised EU military we were all promised from Trump's first term. Our European "allies" are all talk when it comes to providing for their own defense.
Too hilarious. I don't support Trump in everything he does. I think his tariff against Australia is asinine. Australia doesn't have a tariff against US goods. I think his over the top pro Israel stance will result in either displacement or genocide for the Palestinians. Trump is allowing Bibi to say the quiet parts out loud now; and act like the Zionist he truly is. Of course I didn't agree with Brandon's token gestures to the Palestinians with literally dropping aid on their heads; and his worthless temporary port with no distribution system to get food into Gaza. He did jack shit of nothing to rein in Israel either; outside of playing lip service. Which he did with Iran, Russia, China, etc- "Don't" meant go right the damn well ahead and do it. It wasn't like Brandon was going to do anything to stop anyone.
Trump wasn't my first choice for president; but with our broken two party system- he was the lesser of two evils.
You got your answer; now you can respond to this question. "How is being anti Trump on everything not being a perfect sheep?"
Perfect example of irrational venom.
The rest of your comment is ignored. Probably more of the same bullshit anyway.
Captain Obvious here: What were the protests about?
thou shalt not disparage their earthly lord and savior ...
Who's Brandon?
And if such a person actually exists and is not a mere Fig Newton of your imagination-- did he/she make their own sign, ot was it massed produced?
Also-- if this "Brandon" is actually a real person-- is he/she/them/they in any of the photos posted here?
(Curious minds want to know!)
Of course while the article is about a specific protest, what were the protests about?
Yes-- about Trump and his tariff policies.
But then, I assume you already knew that.
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He just had to say something no matter how dumb it is
Yep, I was referring to the mindless and whiny and increasingly violent far left radical progressive asses, and sheep.
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As predicted, you ignored the challenges and just repeat your claim.
You are kidding, right?
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Ah-- so that explains why the stock market id behaving this way! (As an owner of stocks, I hope people stop pouring aid and investment into the U;S.-- because its making my stocks go down!)
Mostly?
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Some real ingenuity was put into some of the signs. I applaud the creativity and for the most part the accuracy.
My question - Will the insults change anything?
Unfortunately, Trump does not care what people think of him, in his own mind he is a genius, handsome and wise but in reality he is nuts with followers that are only interested in what they get from him.
I do think these get togethers will rally voters for the mid-terms against Republican candidates in swing districts so that is the big takeaway for me.
Trump is influenced by polls, and these protests significantly impact public opinion. In that sense, they serve an important purpose. The first step in countering Trump is his supporters waking up.
I disagree -
....the first step is getting opposition to Trump organized with a message for the people, a plan of action and a leader in place before planning for elections in 2026.
....the second step is drawing back the middle of road (don't like democrats or republicans) that were lost to Trump in 2024
Trump does not care - he is in the office and he will be in the office until Jan 2029and he knows it. He is not running for election
Liberals already did that and failed in 2024. Very slim chance they will get their act together before 2026. After all, their leaders consist of Bernie, AOC, Spartacus and the nasty venomous loser that is from Texas.
Guaranteed more losses in 2026
Trump most definitely cares about being popular. He fragile ego is the quickest way to curb his bad behavior. As long as his supporters keep blindly supporting him, he will continue.
That raises an interesting question-- what exactly is he trying to accomplish? (I wonder what it is-- from his POV?)
Did what?
opposition to Trump organized with a message for the people, a plan of action and a leader in place
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But what they didn't have in their favor back then was a president from the opposing party who made the market crash, appointed people who had a pubic chat revealingtopsecret ibnfo, and the deportation of some people who were innocent to a horrendous prison in Central America!
I wonder about that. Insults often get in the way of the message, as does stopping traffic and being an overall nuisance. IMO most folks will see the protests on TV and change the channel .
It is hard to care what people think if you believe you are the smartest person in the room.
Maybe but I think what Trump is doing and how it affects people will have a bigger impact on the midterms.
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Good points
Some will, some won't.
Others will see coverage of the protests online.
IMO it hard to assess the impact of the protests so early.
IDK, but my guess is that in the case of the people who uses insults frequently-- that behaviour shows more about the insulter then about the"Insultee"!!!
Trump and some of his supporters have denied that the tariffs are a "bargaining tactic" and that in fact there's no way he's going to change any of the tariffs. .
I could be wrong, but my guess is that as a result of these protests (and especially the large sizes of protests nationwide) he will change his position, and decrease (or in some cases eliminate) all these tariffs.
And in many cases, as a direct result of the vast size of these protests, changes will come as soon as the next few days!
Vast size? Surely you jest!
Protests have mostly been small and protestors have been overwhelmingly older and white. Very few Blacks and Latinos observed
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Could be
I do not doubt that there may be changes to the tariffs, but I think it will be for reasons other than Trump being influenced by the protests (perhaps pressure from splits in the MAGA ranks in Congress) because he is not running for anything anymore and his type personality doesn't give two shits about what people say about him other than bathing in the praise.
Over 500,000 people were estimated to have come out. There were over 1200 protests/marches in the 50 states, as well as many more internationally.
But how many havee there been nationwide.
Many small ones-- but was this one "small"?
"Hands Off!" protest in Boston draws nearly 100,000 people rallying against Trump, Musk
My guess is that those in larger cities (Chicago, Philadelpia, metro D.C. area, Los angeles,etc were much larger.
Why is race important? Do Blacks and Latinos get 2 or more votes compared to only one for Whites?
I do love a wag:
I HAVE A SIGN
Well I could be wrong, but my guess is that's one sign that wasn't mass produced!
Westboro Baptist Brouhaha?
Ya gotta love people whose signs say "God hates..."
They obviously have a deep understanding of Christ's message...
Hate thy neighbour as thyself?
now that one's good
There are more great ones in this article:
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These demonstrations have definitely produced some of the cleverest, most creative signs... probably more than those at any other protest I've seen!
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This seed appears to have pissed off all the right people.
They didn't have to read it
Well... It's mostly pictures, so it's unusually accessible for some NT members...
Maybe some of them actually didn't!
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My apologies-- I will have to work on putting more context into my future comments.
The good news appears to be protesters were kept busy shouting at the sky and were therefore too preoccupied to continue vandalizing each other's electric cars.
The bad news is clearly that the American left is clearly determined to demonstrate that no matter how bad Trump gets, they can still be at least that bad an alternative.
Just had a feeling that it "might" be a good idea to fact your claim!
A massive case of vandalizing each other's electric cars at this particular demonstration???
(Do have a link for that?
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That was not my claim. That was, in fact, the exact opposite of my claim... which was of course sarcastic to begin with... but thanks for confirming.
Well, you may have a point there...?
Could it be possible (?). And while none of the people at this event are not, in reality, actually vandalizing peoples' cars there,. . . is it possible that some of them might just are badding people's cars?
OK, so the irony that I thought would be more obvious here is these lunatics who have been vandalizing these cars are all liberals... and historically the owners of most Teslas are also liberals.
It's not like Elon owns any of these cars, but I guess that observation just eludes crazy people. BTW, they are not crazy because of their political views per se, they are crazy because they think their political views justify criminal acts against innocent private citizens.
So giving the lunatics something else to occupy their attention should theoretically keep them from damaging each other's cars....at least temporarily.
Gosh, you went to a lot of work to create that false assertion.
Which part of it, specifically, is false?
The whole of it, put together.
I did not want to type it all out, so I asked my research colleague Chat GPT to. Specifically:
Ah, so you don't care enough to think about it for yourself. OK. Moving on.
That was a good one. But no, I thought it all out while I was reading your comment. I just did not want to waste my time typi
If you had thought about it yourself, you would see very quickly that what your GPT misrepresents most of what I said, owing probably to the fact that AI models don't understand sarcasm.
Out of curiosity....
Where there lots of conservatives at your protest?
Are there conservatives out vandalizing Teslas?
Have Teslas ever been popular among conservatives?
Does Elon own any of the cars being vandalized?
Those answers are all obviously no.
So your only argument here is to fabricate something to argue against.... a classic straw man.
Hahahahahahahah
Nice try, but sorry. That is a classic fail.
Your comment fits into the classic "from the few to the many" trope that all good sleight-of-hand charlatans use. You just are having trouble recognizing that your comment was shown to be a fallacious misrepresentation of a broad and diverse section of the population and are currently undergoing a state of cognitive-dissonance as a result of someone pointing out that your subsequent list of questions has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Toodles.
Only because you didn't bother to read it.
Were they actually "Skyclad"?
Judging by the photos it appears not. Also judging by the photos that appears to be a fortunate situation.
I am glad to see that the English Majors get involved too