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The left's righteous rage

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  one week ago  •  146 comments

The left's righteous rage
"On March 29, it's my birthday, and all I want to see happen on my birthday is for Elon to be taken down.


The modern democrat party has been dominated by the American left. The old leadership has been forced to step back as people like Bernie Sanders, AOC and most recently the racist Jasmine Crockett have taken the spotlight. The latter, most notably made a very concerning statement
in support of the "Tesla takedown" movement at a virtual Tesla Takedown rally, where she said: "On March 29, it's my birthday, and all I want to see happen on my birthday is for Elon to be taken down." Across the country leftists are destroying Tesla cars, torching dealerships and Tesla charging stations, doxing Tesla dealers and in some cases intimidating the drivers of Tesla cars.

An antifa mob attacked a Conservative display at the University of California-Davis as campus police passively watched. We all can see the violence on college campuses. We will never forget the violence of the 2020 riots which left over 2 dozen people dead and very few were ever punished for. Maybe that is what gave the left such a license for violence. The left is angry, and many have become increasingly violent. Democrats have been mostly silent. All we have is the DOJ and we can only hope that the violent thugs will be held accountable.


In the news:

The Supreme Court said that the Trump administration could continue to use the Wartime Powers Act to deport Venezuelan migrants, for now. The justices said that the migrants’ lawyers had filed their lawsuit in the wrong court. The SCOTUS also paused a lower court ruling that had required the U.S. to bring back what the leftwing media keeps calling "a Maryland resident" whom it had mistakenly deported.

The Department of Homeland Security is reviewing grants to ensure that cities and states are complying with the Trump Administration's priorities on immigration and diversity.

The U.S. has revoked visas from nearly 150 international students in the past few days.

The U.S. and Iran are expected to hold talks Saturday to negotiate over a possible deal to limit Iran's nuclear program. The alternative is military action.

Speaker Mike Johnson effectively quashed a bipartisan proposal to let new parents in congress vote remotely. It is after all unconstitutional.

Indonesia and other countries are lining up Tuesday at the negotiating table in hopes of striking deals with the Trump administration over the sweeping reciprocal tariffs announced recently. The European Union announced that it is ready to negotiate a “zero-for-zero” tariff deal with the United States.



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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Good morning and welcome to the news.

Prince Akishino and Princess Kiko of Japan visited the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific yesterday, and paid respects to our fallen.

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The  Battle of Iwo Jima  (19 February – 26 March 1945) was a major battle in the war in the Pacific during WWII. The United States Marines paid dearly for it. Unique among Pacific War battles involving amphibious island landings, total American casualties exceeded those of the Japanese. It is regarded by some as the Marines finest hour.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Alec Baldwin was watching the old Ken Burns Civil War documentary. After watching it Baldwin declared that the U.S. is in a pre-civil war era under the Trump administration.  Was it the Biden administration? or the return to normalcy?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    one week ago
Alec Baldwin was watching the old Ken Burns Civil War documentary. After watching it Baldwin declared that the U.S. is in a pre-civil war era under the Trump administration.

Baldwin's an idiot.  Just another leftist asshat circus clown that should be in jail for killing the cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1    one week ago

A narcissistic idiot. 

He did get off fairly easy in what some might have called manslaughter.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    one week ago

A majority of leftists think assassination of trump is at least somewhat justified.  Their embrace of political violence is progressing rapidly

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    one week ago

I may have published it yesterday, but I'm glad you brought it up:

A disturbing new report reveals that violent political rhetoric online, including calls for the murder of public figures like  President Donald Trump  and Elon Musk, is being increasingly normalized, particularly on the left.

The report, from Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), found that a growing number of people are willing to justify and even applaud killing in the name of politics and a warped sense of social justice. The chilling change appears to have accelerated in recent months.

New bombshell study reveals 'assassination culture' spreading on the left under President Trump

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one week ago

Just like Jan. 6th.... Oh wait.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one week ago

Not quite. In 2020 rioters were allowed to riot endlessly.

They murdered two dozen people, did millions in damage and few were ever punished.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one week ago
Oh wait.

Taking pause is the right thing to do.  Especially since they aren't even remotely comparable.  One was a protest, the other was an assassination attempts.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one week ago

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TᵢG
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3.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one week ago

Anger against Trump is clearly justified, but violence is entirely wrong.   The focus should be on peaceful protests, helping remove Trump sycophants from office when special votes arise, and in particular the Ds need to get their act together for the midterms.

In the meantime, as long as Trump supporters continue to blindly support Trump, our nation (and the planet) will continue to deal with the fallout from the bad decisions of this loose cannon.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.5    one week ago
The focus should be on peaceful protests

When are those supposed to start?  And you can't honestly expect people to overlook the lefts violence?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.6    one week ago
And you can't honestly expect people to overlook the lefts violence?

It seems many of them have normalized violence against anything the don't agree with.  Maybe they are hoping they can make others feel the same.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.7    one week ago

Little do they realize that they are setting a precedent.  That precedent will more than likely not work out favorably for them.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.6    one week ago

Read what I wrote.  If you cannot see that I am against violence (and that means the violence in question) then you need to work harder to understand what people write.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.9    one week ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.7    one week ago
It seems many of them have normalized violence against anything the don't agree with.

And they will deny it the whole time it becomes more evident

In New York, a man dressed up as Luigi of “Super Mario Bros.” to honor Luigi Mangione, the murderer of health-care executive Brian Thompson. He carried a sign calling for Trump to be “deposed” — that is, violently overthrown. In Holland, Mich., Redmond, Ore., and elsewhere, grinning marchers wore shirts and carried placards emblazoned with the number “8647,” pairing the old slang term for murder with a 47 for Trump.
One 8647 protester stood right alongside Minnesota Attorney Gen. Keith Ellison in Minneapolis.

“Hands off or heads off,” read the message on a life-sized guillotine paraded about in Denver.

Protesters vandalized ICE and DHS vehicles in Washington, DC, defacing several and puncturing their tires — after weeks of viral videos of people keying, graffitiing or   burning Teslas   permeated social media.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.11    6 days ago

The more the hate for Trump brews the more likely the violence will escalate for anything Trump related.  Those that share the Trump hate all the time are also at fault for this escalation since the folks that are violent feel they have support from the Trump haters.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

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Yesterday, Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel became the first world leader to speak to Trump in person since the president issued his tariffs. Netanyahu reiterated that Israel would eliminate trade barriers against the United States. Trump thanked him but oddly promised nothing in return.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Rand Paul's has a proposal requiring the president to get congressional approval for new tariffs. It is going nowhere, but it may give Republicans in congress some cover before the midterm election. There is no telling how the tariffs will affect the economy in the short term.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    one week ago
There is no telling how the tariffs will affect the economy in the short term.

That's not going to stop some from pontificating their nonsense.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1    6 days ago
That's not going to stop some from pontificating their nonsense.

No one has ever attempted what Trump is attempting to do the way he is attempting to do.  While it may very well blow up in his face and even effect the midterms proclaiming it a disaster at this point is disingenuous IMO.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.1    6 days ago
While it may very well blow up in

The only thing that I'm proclaiming will happen is all the vitriol from the normal people.  It's been the same thing from the same people since 2015.  That's not going to change any time soon.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    one week ago

It should since Trump is out of control with his tariffs.   Congress (because of the GOPTRUMP) has abdicated its responsibility to serve as a check on the Executive branch.

There is no telling how the tariffs will affect the economy in the short term.

Of course the effect of these tariffs is known.  If they continue, the USA consumers will pay more for goods.   Both foreign (due to the tariffs directly) and domestic (due to domestic producers having a competitive price gap that allows them to raise prices).   This leads to other consequences such as a reduced GDP, more unemployment, business failures, etc.   These are less predictable but what is absolutely clear is that consumers will be paying more for goods.

There is no mystery here.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2    one week ago
Congress (because of the GOPTRUMP) has abdicated its responsibility to serve as a check on the Executive branch

The Democratic Congress under Carter delegated the power to set tariffs to the Presidency. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.1    one week ago

No Congress did not grant a PotUS absolute power ... removing their ability to check it.

I did not argue that Trump could not legally impose tariffs ... clearly he can do so because he can always claim that he is fighting unfair trade practices / emergency and thus meet the legal language.

I stated that Congress has abdicated its responsibility because it has, as of yet, not acted to curtail Trump's irresponsible tariffs.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.2    one week ago
No Congress did not grant a PotUS absolute power 

You may want to do some research:

According to the Congressional Research Service , there are six statutory provisions currently in place that control how the president and the executive branch can use tariffs. Three provisions require federal agency investigations before a tariff can be imposed. The other provisions do not require an investigation before actions are taken.

Section 232 of the   Trade Expansion Act of 1962   has been used by the first and second Trump administrations for steel and aluminum imports. It authorizes the president to ask the Secretary of Commerce to determine if goods are being imported in manner that threatens national security. The secretary then reports back to the president if he has any affirmative findings. “Section 232 does not require the President to follow the Secretary’s recommendations but permits him to take alternative actions or no action,” the CRS says. Under Section 232, there is no maximum time limit on the president’s tariff actions.

Another provision that requires an investigation is Section 201 of the   Trade Act of 1974 . The act allows the president to impose tariffs if the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) finds that an import surge is threatening a U.S. domestic industry. If the ITC makes an affirmative determination, the president can take action accordingly, including placing tariffs. Tariffs imposed under Section 201 are not meant to be permanent, and the actions have a limit of four to eight years.

 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.3    one week ago

That is not absolute power. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.2    one week ago
Congress did not grant a PotUS absolute power ... removing their ability to check it.

e's using the power Congress delegated.  Just because he's not using that power as you prefer, it doesn't mean Congress abdicated it's responsibility.  It doesn't have the "responsibility" to govern as progressives want them to. 

This is yet another example of Democrats giving power to the Presidency and then acting shocked when a President uses the power in a way they don't like. Blindsided yet again by the totally foreseeable consequences of their own actions. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.5    one week ago
Just because he's not using that power as you prefer, it doesn't mean Congress abdicated it's responsibility. 

It means that I believe Congress has abdicated its responsibility.   Obviously.   What is it with conservatives whining about people opining?   As if every comment has to be an indisputable fact determined by a governing authority.

It is my opinion, easily justified ... have done so repeatedly in this forum, that the tariffs are irresponsible and Congress has not lifted a finger to deal with this.

This is yet another example of Democrats giving power to the Presidency and then acting shocked when a President uses the power in a way they don't like.

I am not nor have ever been a D.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.4    one week ago
That is not absolute power. 

it does give the POTUS a position to implement tariffs with out congressional approval.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.7    one week ago

That is NOT absolute power.   You are not stating anything that I did not already state.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.8    one week ago

It does give the POTUS a position to implement tariffs with out congressional approval.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.10  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.9    one week ago

No shit Jeremy.   Read what I wrote!

The power is not ABSOLUTE.

That means Congress can still can step in.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @5.2    one week ago
If they continue, the USA consumers will pay more for goods. 

You mean the ones who lost their jobs in the manufacturing sector?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.12  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.11    one week ago

What is the point of replying if you are going to just pen a non sequitur?

Labor-based manufacturing is not going to come back to the USA.   You would be wise to disabuse yourself of that hope.  Our national strategy should be based on reality, not a quaint notion of decades past.

All USA consumers (not just those who lost their manufacturing jobs) will pay more for goods.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.12    one week ago
Labor-based manufacturing is not going to come back to the USA.  

Oh?  So, everyone is going to college to work in technology?  

You seem to be ok with a few globalist elites destroying our middle class. I am not. I am all in on the counter revolution.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.14  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.13    one week ago
So, everyone is going to college to work in technology?  

Again you come up with a reply that is a non sequitur.  

There are plenty of jobs that do not involve a college education.   For example, firefighters, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, sales staff, drivers, law enforcement, food industry, administrative jobs, ...   But, that said, we as a nation will be facing a job dilemma due to technology.   And that includes jobs that require a college degree.

The fact that labor-based manufacturing is not coming back to the USA does not mean that everyone now goes to college.   I made no such argument and not even implied it.  What prompts you to come up with such nonsense?

You seem to be ok with a few globalist elites destroying our middle class.

Another non sequitur.   Where do I write anything about favoring globalist elites or destroying the middle class.  You need to get a grip here Vic.   Your comments are making no sense.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.2.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.14    one week ago
Where do I write anything about favoring globalist elites or destroying the middle class. 

It could be the tone and frequency of your commentary on the subject.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.16  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.15    one week ago

I have never written anything like that.   Not even remotely close.   Since I do not hold that position I certainly would not write about it.

Don't invent positions for others;  instead read what we write.   And if you are unsure, as a question.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.2.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.16    one week ago

Some of us can read between the lines. You seem to favor what they do, and your opinion that none of what is happening could turn out differently than the doom and gloom set forth by the anti-Trump crowd. I choose the glass half full. Some seem to have glasses, yet is nothing in there.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.18  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.17    one week ago

You clearly are demonstrating that you cannot read between the lines with respect to my posts and that in fact you invent positions for me that are entirely wrong.   It is actually amazing to me that you could even pen this crap.

I choose the glass half full. Some seem to have glasses, yet is nothing in there.

Wishful thinking in spite of cold hard facts.   Trusting in Trump is massive mistake and with all that we have seen you should know better.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.2.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.18    one week ago

Your opinion aside, I'm Sorry, TiG, but we can all read between the lines. You are betting on doom and gloom, it seems. Some of us will retain the "wait and see" attitude and refuse to participate in yet more 'but Trump" automatic doom.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.19    one week ago

We are in uncharted waters.  It seems prudent to take a wait and see attitude instead of the sky is falling attitude some have taken since Jan 20th.  Looking at things daily is a waste of time IMO.  Now if Trump decides not to actually negotiate with the folks coming to the table I will begin to question why.  That is probably within the next couple weeks, I can wait that long.

 
 
 
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5.2.21  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.19    one week ago
You are betting on doom and gloom, it seems.

Not betting, but using past and present evidence to draw a logical conclusion. 

Some of us will retain the "wait and see" attitude... 

I actually want the trade ideas Trump says he wants to succeed, but using a chainsaw for surgery has never worked well for the patient. There are better ways to accomplish those ideas without blowing up our economy. Trump ran on lowering costs right away, but now he's doing things that will raise costs. How long are we supposed to wait? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.22  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.19    one week ago
You are betting on doom and gloom, it seems.

Betting??   Yet again you clearly have no understanding of my position.   There is no bet, Trump has already damaged international relationships for the long term, crashed the market (it can recover partly but it will not just snap back to the way it was before he started this tariff insanity.   So there is no bet, this is reality.   I am hoping that he gets sufficient pressure from Musk, et. al. to stop but as long as people like you support him with this utterly naive "wait and see" nonsense you, et. al. will embolden Trump.

If Trump continues, he will clearly make things much worse.   And if you do not understand why I suggest you get educated real quick.   Rather than just trust Trump (a lying sack of shit con man who bankrupted casinos, and other businesses) maybe read and understand what intelligent economists are saying.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.23  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.20    one week ago
It seems prudent to take a wait and see attitude ...

The DOW is 37,822, the S&P is 5,014 .    Looks like you are going to keep 'waiting' no matter what happens.  

Do you spend any time whatsoever considering Trump's actions?   Did you even try to make sense of the tariff rates he has chosen and the nations to which they apply?

This is one (of many) example of the ill-conceived 'plan' of Trump:   Imposing a tariff on Australia where we have a trade surplus.

Trump is engaging in world trade 'negotiations' like a real-estate junkyard dog transaction.    And the result thus far are trade wars.    And even if we are able to get deals done and stop this insanity, our trading partners are no longer looking at the USA as a trusted partner because we have proven that we will elect an irresponsible loose-cannon to the presidency and they have seen first-hand the damage that such an individual can do.

But sure ... just sit back and think happy thoughts ... believe that Trump is a genius in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary (for decades).

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.2.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.20    one week ago

As can a lot of people.........saves heartburn, stroke, and just plain misery.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.2.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @5.2.21    one week ago
Trump ran on lowering costs right away, but now he's doing things that will raise costs. How long are we supposed to wait? 

Conjecture.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.23    one week ago
     Looks like you are going to keep 'waiting' no matter what happens.

Yes, after all it has been 4 days.

    just sit back and think happy thoughts

Thanks, I will.  Alot better than worrying and being miserable all the time.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.24    one week ago
As can a lot of people.........saves heartburn, stroke, and just plain misery.

Everyone has their own threshold of what wait and see means.  You will always get opinions as to when you wait too long or when you don't wait long enough.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.28  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.26    one week ago

Dealing with reality is far better than naive wishful thinking.   Rational minds deal with the facts and act to make the best of a bad situation.  In this case, that means preserving cash and fighting back with criticism and protest of this demonstrably stupid tariff policy.

It should be obvious that hiding from reality and putting faith in a con-man is foolish.

Here is a thought, would you ‘wait and see’ if a D PotUS was doing what Trump is doing?   Ask yourself why your position would be different.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.29  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.28    one week ago
Dealing with reality is far better than naive wishful thinking.  

Correct, that is why I am doing it.

Rational minds deal with the facts and act to make the best of a bad situation.  In this case, that means preserving cash 

That is why I have a diversified portfolio

 fighting back with criticism and protest of this demonstrably stupid tariff policy.

Knock yourself out, and I will do what I want which doesn't include wasting my time

 Here is a thought, would you ‘wait and see’ if a D PotUS was doing what Trump is doing?   Ask yourself why your position would be different.

I would be doing the same exact thing.  Would you be doing the same exact thing if it were anyone but Trump?  Ask yourself why your position would be different

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.30  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.29    one week ago
I would be doing the same exact thing. 

Absolute bullshit that you would take a Pollyanish 'let's just give him time' if this were a D.   You cut Biden zero slack for four years and now you claim that if Biden or any other D was doing this that you would argue that we should just give him time?   B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.   How can you even think of making such a claim given your comment history?

Would you be doing the same exact thing if it were anyone but Trump?

Absolutely!  I have clearly stated my reasons for why I object to Trump's tariffs;  and they are based on global economic facts, not on who is PotUS.   If you pay any attention whatsoever, I have not argued that the tariffs are bad because Trump is an idiot and a con-man.   I have argued that they are bad because they damage international relationships, impose a consumption tax which basically triggers inflation when Trump was supposed to do the opposite, create a trade war, and will (if it continues) result in shit earnings reports, more carnage and could easily put us into a recession.

I have argued based on reasons that have nothing to do with who is president.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.31  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.30    one week ago
Absolute bullshit  

Nope, but thanks for your opinion 

Absolutely!   

Absolutely bullshit

I have argued based on reasons that have nothing to do with who is president.

If you say so.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.32  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.24    one week ago

Dow is up over 2000. Maybe wait and see is not such a bad idea after all.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.33  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.32    one week ago

So Trump tanks the market because of his tariffs, then backs off on most of them because foreign investors (in particular Japan) were dumping bonds.   In response the market (which dropped because of Trump's tariffs) reversed its direction due largely to people a) covering shorts and b) scrambling to rebuy after dumping stocks.

And you think this is some sort of success?   A partial recovery after Trump stupidly caused the market to drop is a good result??

So, at this juncture, Trump has accomplished what exactly?   Spell out the positives of his moves and let's see if you are honest enough to acknowledge the substantial negatives.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.34  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.33    one week ago

Nice rant.  My point is things are volatile,  wait and see is a good strategy for now. I stand by that

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.35  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.34    one week ago

As do most thinking Americans

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.36  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.34    one week ago
My point is things are volatile,  wait and see is a good strategy for now. I stand by that

Wait and see with regards to making investment decisions is a good strategy;  in short, do not buy or sell right now.  

Wait and see in reference to whether or not Trump's tariffs are good is bullshit in lieu of a real argument to show that they are good.

In other words, Trump apologists cannot come up with anything to defend the lunacy of these tariffs so instead they say 'wait and see'.

It is bullshit because Trump apologists cannot bring themselves to admit that they are supporting / defending someone who does not know what he is doing.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.37  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.36    one week ago
Wait and see with regards to making investment decisions is a good strategy;  in short, do not buy or sell right now.  

That would be my recommendation but people should make up their own mind based on their individual circumstances.

Wait and see in reference to whether or not Trump's tariffs are good is bullshit in lieu of a real argument to show that they are good.

Wait and see means wait and see if his strategy will be successful instead of running around with hair on fire claiming his strategy has already failed.

In other words, Trump apologists cannot come up with anything to defend the lunacy of these tariffs so instead they say 'wait and see'.

Yea yea yea

It is bullshit because Trump apologists cannot bring themselves to admit that they are supporting / defending someone who does not know what he is doing.

Yea yea yea part 2

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.38  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @5.2.35    one week ago
As do most thinking Americans

Unfortunately there are not enough of them

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.39  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.37    one week ago
Wait and see means wait and see if his strategy will be successful instead of running around with hair on fire claiming his strategy has already failed.

Yes, you apparently believe Trump has a strategy and that the damage he has done (and will continue to do) will all magically work out.

That is cultishly naive.  

Trump does not know what he is doing and has already done damage that will not reversed in his term (at the least).    Trump's threats and tariffs have strained relationships with key partners and undermined trust in U.S. consistency on global agreements.

Global trade is critical to our economic strength.  By acting unilaterally and without clear, sustainable goals, Trump risks long-term damage to our credibility.   If these policies persist, we will see lower earnings, leading to broader economic repercussions.

None of this was necessary.  Trump has created serious problems instead of focusing on the reasons he was elected (prices, border).

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.40  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.39    one week ago

I stand by waiting and seeing and not starting my hair on fire until and if it becomes time to start my hair on fire.

I do like cultishly naive although I doubt it will catch on. At least it shows an attempt at originality.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.41  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.40    one week ago

Your wait and see is you refusing to acknowledge Trump’s failures and your inability to argue why what he is doing is good.   Your hair on fire phrase deems all sober criticism of Trump’s actions as emotional.   Again, this is because you cannot put forth a persuasive argument defending his actions.

Your comments on this matter have been largely platitudes and bullshit.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.42  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.37    one week ago
That would be my recommendation but people should make up their own mind based on their individual circumstances.

Make up their own mind?  That shit won't fly in some circles.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.2.43  Jack_TX  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.40    one week ago
I stand by waiting and seeing and not starting my hair on fire until and if it becomes time to start my hair on fire.

It's a self inflicted bear market that has eradicated trillions of dollars worth of the life savings of hardworking Americans.  

Y'know that toxic masculine, cisgendered oppressive patriarchy full of guys who have spent decades doing evil shit like going to work, paying bills, raising kids, paying for college tuition and health insurance premiums, saving money and investing in the future of this country??  Remember those guys??  They're the ones getting fucked over.  Needlessly.  Again. 

If we were going to do that, we could have elected Kamala.  It would have been much less expensive.

If you smell smoke, that's me sneaking up behind you to set your hair on fire.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.43    one week ago

Remember those guys??

Sure, I am one of them. Still doesn't mean I am ready to call the game in the first inning of a nine inning game.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.45  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.42    one week ago

256

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.46  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.45    one week ago

Exactly.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.2.47  Jack_TX  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.44    one week ago
Still doesn't mean I am ready to call the game in the first inning of a nine inning game.

No, but maybe not every pitch should be a fastball down the middle, especially when we've given up 8 home runs in that first inning.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.48  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.44    one week ago

More like you are refusing to criticize a placekicker for attempting a field goal on his own goal.

Trump had a strong economy and stock market.   He could have worked on the border, worked to reduce inflation down to 2% (from 3%), worked to help achieve better earnings, negotiate a fair peace in the Ukraine war, etc.    He then would be doing what people elected him to do.

Instead, he single-handedly harms international relationships (with long-term consequences), crashes the stock market, puts the economy on a course towards a possible recession, trashes government services (both good and bad), fires workers with a chainsaw level of precision, and uses his power to engage in vindictive acts like removing security from select opponents, firing those who worked on his criminal cases, etc.

Trump had an easy play:  kick the ball from the 25 yard line and get a field goal.   He didn’t just miss the field goal; he turned around and kicked it into his own end zone.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.49  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.47    one week ago

It certainly is a different strategy that has never been used before.  All the more reason to wait and see the results of it before declaring it a failure.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.50  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.41    one week ago
Your wait and see

You seem to be struggling with the words wait and see and feel the need to add alot more to the three words than I ever said or claimed. Wait and see means wait for the results before declaring it good or bad..

is you refusing to acknowledge Trump’s failures and your inability to argue why what he is doing is good.   Your hair on fire phrase deems all sober criticism of Trump’s actions as emotional.   Again, this is because you cannot put forth a persuasive argument defending his actions.

The rest of you comment ( refusing to acknowledge, your inability to argue you cannot put forth,  largely platitudes and bullshit ) is nothing more than an emotional outburst because you are not getting the response you want when you want it.  I hope you can get past this disappointment because I am not giving you more than I have.

 
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.2.51  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.48    one week ago
Trump had an easy play:  kick the ball from the 25 yard line and get a field goal.   He didn’t just miss the field goal; he turned around and kicked it into his own end zone.

Trump wants to be known as the greatest man in American history. He has repeatedly said he is considered to be greater than George Washington, and even Lincoln. In order to secure that sort of place he cannot be a manager or caretaker of what someone else left him. He has to do great things, like acquire foreign territory or reset the world economic order. He's nuts, and very few Americans, even ones that dont like him, are willing to admit it.  There is a 100% chance things will get worse before they get better. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.2.52  Jack_TX  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.49    one week ago
All the more reason to wait and see the results of it before declaring it a failure.

We've seen results.  $10 trillion of them. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.53  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.49    one week ago

Explain how you see this NOT being a failure.

What kind of a hand do you think the USA has in the global market, especially now?   Do you truly believe that Trump can bully nations like China, the EU, Canada, et. al. to produce some great deals that could not have been achieved through normal negotiation (e.g. what Trump did in his first term with Canada and Mexico)?    Do you believe that China is going to kowtow to Trump's bullshit game of chicken?

Given the damage Trump has already inflicted, I would like to hear what sort of spectacular good you think will come out his tariff insanity that will justify the negatives.

Do you seriously still not recognize that Trump does not know what he is doing?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.54  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.48    one week ago
More like you are refusing to criticize a placekicker for attempting a field goal on his own goal.

 You seem to be calling the game before second half is played.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.55  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.50    one week ago

Of course, you offer nothing.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.56  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.53    one week ago

See 5.2.50

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.58  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.55    one week ago
Of course, you offer nothing.

Of course you offer nothing more than an emotional outburst because you are not getting the response you want when you want it.

See 5.2.50 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.59  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.52    one week ago

Yes, after 5 days

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.60  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.58    one week ago

More dishonesty.   My posts stated facts and asked you difficult questions.

Instead, you deflect by deeming them emotional.

You clearly have no answers.   Just bullshit.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.2.61  Jack_TX  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.59    one week ago
Yes, after 5 days

I'm sure we're not going to pretend that a 20% loss over a couple of weeks is somehow better than a 20% loss over 6 months.  

Let's also not pretend that he did not need to make us all poorer while achieving his trade goals.  He could easily have done this without screwing us over.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.62  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.61    one week ago

Let's see if we are still down 20 percent in 6 months. While doing it his way may not be the preferred way continuing as we have been is not the answer

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.63  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.60    one week ago

See 5.2.50

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.64  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.63    one week ago

Does analysis like this (consistent across many sources) register with you in any way?

Also, do you not see how utterly stupid it is for Trump to say this after the rebound yesterday?:

After taking a victory lap Wednesday, the president on Thursday acknowledged some “transition problems” could be expected. “A big day yesterday. There will always be transition difficulty — but in history, it was the biggest day in history, the markets. So we’re very, very happy with the way the country is running. We’re trying to get the world to treat us fairly,” Trump said in the Cabinet Room.
US stocks, dollar tumble as Trump’s trade war rattles Wall Street | CNN Business

He crashes the market with his idiotic tariffs and then takes credit for the partial recovery (because he backed down on most of these tariffs) as if he just accomplished something good.   The spin here is over the top.   Do you buy it?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.65  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.63    6 days ago

Or this ...?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Texas Football Player Dies in Twin Brother’s Arms After Being Stabbed at High School Track Meet

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We asked him to move. He started getting aggressive and talking reckless,” Hunter recalled. 

“And my brother stepped in and said, ‘You need to move,’” Hunter added, “And he’s like, ‘Make me move.’”

“All of the sudden, he grabbed his backpack,” the brother said. And just seconds into the tussle, Hunter said Anthony pulled out a knife and stabbed his brother in the chest. 

Austin, who was born two minutes before Hunter, died in his brother’s arms despite first responders’ attempts to resuscitate the teen. 

Twin brother of Austin Metcalf, fatally stabbed Texas high school football star, claims they never met suspect

Karmelo Anthony was arrested and charged with first-degree murder by the Frisco Police Department. He admitted to putting a knife into Austin Metcalf's heart because Austin "put a hand on him."

 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    one week ago

A terrible side story to this is the amount of money being raised for the killer. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one week ago
A terrible side story to this is the amount of money being raised for the killer. 

Just like the dude that killed the insurance CEO in cold blood.

What is it about the liberal ideology that thinks it is OK to kill to get their way?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @6.1.1    one week ago
What is it about the liberal ideology that thinks it is OK to kill to get their way?

Some were actually celebrating it and raising money for the killer.  The United States is being attacked from within.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @6.1.1    one week ago
What is it about the liberal ideology that thinks it is OK to kill to get their way?

The last administration allowed them to get away with it so they think it's the norm now.

 
 
 
JBB
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6.1.4  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one week ago

Does Kyle Rittenhouse ring a bell?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @6.1.4    one week ago

Does Kyle Rittenhouse ring a bell

Lol. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @6.1.4    one week ago

You just can't make up that level of disconnect.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @6.1.4    one week ago
Does Kyle Rittenhouse ring a bell?

Only when he is an alter boy at Sunday Mass.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    one week ago

what this column would look like without black criminal faces to show

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Greg Jones
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6.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    one week ago

Is it somehow racist to show the perp's true identity? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.1    one week ago

To some, absolutely............

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Good morning to our Press Secretary.

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Hal A. Lujah
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7.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    one week ago

Skank of the century.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.1    one week ago

Now, now, remember the policy: No sexual jokes.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.1    one week ago

Who’s joking?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.1.2    one week ago

Don't like strong accomplished women?

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    one week ago

Sporting an 'All American' Gucci purse to boot.

 
 
 
JBB
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7.2.1  JBB  replied to  Hallux @7.2    one week ago

And a Pucci butt...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8  Jeremy Retired in NC    one week ago
The Supreme Court said that the Trump administration could continue to use the Wartime Powers Act to deport Venezuelan migrants, for now. The justices said that the migrants’ lawyers had filed their lawsuit in the wrong court. The SCOTUS also paused a lower court ruling that had required the U.S. to bring back what the leftwing media keeps calling "a Maryland resident" whom it had mistakenly deported.

The left shopping for favorable judges just bit them in the ass on this one.  They shopped for a judge local (D.C. District).  The SCOTUS ruled in the right direction that because the detainees are being held in Texas the D.C. district judge has no jurisdiction.  

The "Maryland resident" (Abrego Garcia) is not a US Citizen.  There are allegations of gang activity with Ms-13, which can lead to his removal from the country despite what the left wants to gaslight everybody into believing.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8    one week ago
The "Maryland resident" (Abrego Garcia) is not a US Citizen. 

He is a legal resident supposedly with the immigration court's protection.

There are allegations of gang activity with Ms-13, which can lead to his removal from the country 

A US immigration judge cleared him of being gang related and stopped deportation in 2019.

despite what the left wants to gaslight everybody into believing.

despite what you want to believe, HHS and everyone involved already admitted the error.

Why is so hard to accept the truth?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @8.1    one week ago
legal resident

Still not a citizen.  Why is so hard to accept the truth?

A US immigration judge cleared him of being gang related and stopped deportation in 2019.

A lot can happen in 6 years...

despite what you want to believe, HHS and everyone involved already admitted the error.

And now it's being corrected...he's out.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.1    one week ago
And now it's being corrected...he's out.

 A link would be appreciated.

I just searched the net and found out that 

  1. He still appears to be in CECOT 
  2. The DOJ lawyer that told the judge the arrest was erroneous has been suspended.
  3. The SCOTUS, specifically John Roberts paused the requirement for the US to have Garcia returned by midnight Monday to give the Administration more time to make the arrangements.
  4. It took less than 24 hours for ICE to deport this guy and make arrangements to pay for his incarceration but the same geniuses can't figure out how to get him home.
  5. No links that say this Garcia was released.

Talk about gaslighting much?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.2    one week ago
A link would be appreciated.

Paying attention helps. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.3    one week ago
Paying attention helps. 

Due to my respect for your service I am bending over backwards to try to help you see outside of your bubble.

About 36 minutes ago SCOTUS ordered that Garcia be returned to the US if for no other purpose than to give him the due process your service is supposed to guarantee.

SCOTUS agreed with Judge Xinis.

Do you need links?

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.4    one week ago

I'll be shocked if he makes it back alive. this is a media shit storm the trump WH will do anything to avoid ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.4    6 days ago

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Right Down the Center
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8.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  devangelical @8.1.5    6 days ago

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JohnRussell
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9  JohnRussell    one week ago

Literate people say "the Democratric Party". 

"the democrat party" is right wing cult usage. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9    one week ago
Literate people say "the Democratric Party". 

Yeah, nobody cares.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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9.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @9    one week ago

What's the difference, most of them are still awful people?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @9    one week ago
Literate people say "the Democratric Party".  "the democrat party" is right wing cult usage. 

The Democratic party is on life support.  It is being taken over and killed by the democrat cult

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.3    one week ago
It is being taken over and killed by the democrat cult

The newest loser leader is that Crockett jack ass.

Beating democrats in 26 and 28 is going to be a breeze if she is still their leader.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @9.3.1    one week ago

She will be AOCs choice for vp. Oh the names people will be called if they don't vote for them

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.3.3  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.3.2    one week ago
Oh the names people will be called if they don't vote for them

Probably but the memes will be hilarious

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.3.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.3.2    one week ago
Oh the names people will be called if they don't vote for them

It's just going to be a rinse and repeat of what we've already seen.  You know they can't come up with something original.

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
10  freepress    one week ago

Like the January 6th attack on the United States Capitol which caused enormous damage to police officers and the Capitol building itself.

Both Republican and Democrats threatened by right wing rioters with Trump flags, erecting a gallows to hang Mike Pence Trump's own Vice President,  a vast array of weapons and it did include guns because Trump told security to ignore the scanners because the rioters wouldn't hurt "him". 

The pardon of violent rioters get a pass. Why is it that right wing violence gets forgiven and forgotten? If violence is wrong then it's wrong for EVERYONE.

I support peaceful protests and do not support the vandalism going on against dealerships but the vandals are a minority amongst  the tesla protests. 

If only Republicans supported holding J6 rioters to account then maybe it might seem less hypocritical to want harsher sentences for property damage to cars as opposed to attacks on Senators, Congress members and the United States Capitol. 

If Republicans felt J6 was nothing, why bother with a much smaller number of car vandals handing out harsher sentences than rioters that wanted to kill their own Senators and Congress members?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  freepress @10    one week ago
The pardon of violent rioters get a pass.

They didn't get a pass. They did time in prison. One was murdered.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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10.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    one week ago
They didn't get a pass. They did time in prison. 

Their sentences were pardoned or commuted before most of them finished their sentences for property damage, and beating law enforcement people leaving many of them disabled, contributing o a half dozen LEO deaths.

One was murdered.

In prison? Or are you clinging to the fallacy that that Babbit was some sort of innocent?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.1    one week ago
Their sentences were pardoned or commuted before most of them finished their sentences

Still did time.  Too bad the same couldn't be said for the rioters during the riots in 2020.  I guess it all depends on who supports the riots.

for property damage, and beating law enforcement people leaving many of them disabled, contributing o a half dozen LEO deaths

Despite what you've been gaslit to believe, only ONE death was attributed to that day.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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10.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.1.2    one week ago
Still did time. 

Not enough.

Too bad the same couldn't be said for the rioters during the riots in 2020.

It's a simple task JR, prove it.  You obviously have time and a computer.

  I guess it all depends on who supports the riots.

Believing that out of 2,000 arrests, 300 by the same DoJ, none of them was convicted is the very definition 

of being gaslit.

only ONE death was attributed to that day.  

Why should we be surprised that you were wrong again. At least two fat asses died of heart attacks and another died of a drug overdose.   Babbit got what every castle law allows.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.3    one week ago
Still did time. 
Not enough.

That's a matter of opinion.

It's a simple task JR, prove it.  You obviously have time and a computer.

Couldn't find anything reliable I see.

Why should we be surprised that you were wrong again.

I notice you didn't prove me wrong.  Although I'm not surprised.

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.2  bugsy  replied to  freepress @10    one week ago

How many of the "Summer of Love 2020" rioters, looters and murderers actually served time or were charged for their crimes?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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10.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @10.2    one week ago
MCCA member agencies arrested   16,241  protesters and rioters from May 25 to July 31. Nearly 17% of these arrests were for felonies and 7% of the total involved violence.

After-Action Reports on the Riots of 2020 | Police Magazine

Over 300 People Facing Federal Charges For Crimes Committed During Nationwide Demonstrations

The Department of Justice announced today that more than 300 individuals in 29 states and Washington, D.C., have been charged for crimes committed adjacent to or under the guise of peaceful demonstrations since the end of May.

To date, of the 94 U.S. Attorneys’ Offices (USAOs), more than 40 USAOs have filed federal charges alleging crimes ranging from attempted murder, assaulting a law enforcement officer, arson, burglary of a federally-licensed firearms dealer, damaging federal property, malicious destruction of property using fire or explosives, felon in possession of a firearm and ammunition, unlawful possession of a destructive device, inciting a riot, felony civil disorder, and others.  Violent opportunists have exploited these demonstrations in various ways. 

Approximately 80 individuals have been charged with offenses relating to arson and explosives.  Approximately 15 individuals have been charged with damaging federal property. In some instances, these individuals are alleged to have set fires to local businesses as well as city and federal property, which will regrettably incur millions of taxpayer dollars to repair damages to the   Portland Courthouse ,   Nashville Courthouse ,   Minneapolis Police Third Precinct ,   Seattle Police East Precinct , and   local high school in Minnesota ; and, to replace police cruisers in   South Carolina ,   Washington ,   Rhode Island,   Georgia ,   Utah , and other states.

Office of Public Affairs | Over 300 People Facing Federal Charges For Crimes Committed During Nationwide Demonstrations | United States Department of Justice

Maybe your question was meant to be rhetorical?

 
 
 
GregTx
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10.2.2  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @10.2.1    one week ago

How many of those were convicted?...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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10.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @10.2.2    one week ago

Obviously, the internet works in your neck of the woods, so go for it.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
10.2.4  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @10.2.3    one week ago

That question was meant to be rhetorical.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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10.2.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Split Personality @10.2.3    one week ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @10.2.3    one week ago
Obviously, the internet works in your neck of the woods, so go for it.

Apparently it doesn't work well enough for you to give the information on how many were convicted.

 
 
 
George
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10.2.8  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10.2.5    one week ago

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Jack_TX
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10.3  Jack_TX  replied to  freepress @10    one week ago
The pardon of violent rioters get a pass. Why is it that right wing violence gets forgiven and forgotten? If violence is wrong then it's wrong for EVERYONE.

Apparently you missed the Summer of Love full of "mostly peaceful protests" in 2020.  Violence didn't seem to be wrong then.

I support peaceful protests

Modern "protesting" is nothing more than idiots shouting at the sky.

and do not support the vandalism going on against dealerships but the vandals are a minority amongst  the tesla protests. 

Riiiight.  Well the people lighting the cross are the minority amongst KKK members, too.

If only Republicans supported holding J6 rioters to account then maybe it might seem less hypocritical 

The Jan 6 rioters who actually attacked police officers were sentenced to 20+ years.  The Portland protester who clubbed a police officer over the head with a baseball bat from behind got 2 years. 

Do you understand what the word "hypocritical" even means?

to attacks on Senators, Congress members

Which members of congress were actually attacked?   Which elected representative was actually physically assaulted or injured?  Oh, that's right, one of the protesters was killed.

why bother with a much smaller number of car vandals handing out harsher sentences than rioters that wanted to kill their own Senators and Congress members?

Because for the time being anyway, this is still a free country.  Wanting to do something is not a crime.  If we intend to remain a free country, political violence cannot be tolerated.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Jack_TX @10.3    one week ago
political violence cannot be tolerated. 

Might want to notify the left of that. A majority of them in a recent poll showed they support violence in the name of politics, especially against Trump and Musk.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
10.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @10.3.1    one week ago
a recent poll showed

Poll nothing.  Their ACTIONS show they have a tendency for violence toward anybody who does not fit what they want.

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.3.3  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.3.2    one week ago
Their ACTIONS show they have a tendency for violence toward anybody who does not fit what they wan

Very true, however, many on the left, and even some here, have stated that it is a verrrrrrrry small percentage of those protesting that are conducting violent acts.

This poll shows how wrong they are. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
10.3.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @10.3.3    one week ago
have stated that it is a verrrrrrrry small percentage of those protesting that are conducting violent acts.

But you NEVER see any of them denounce the violence.  Not.  A.  Single.  One.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
10.3.5  Jack_TX  replied to  bugsy @10.3.3    one week ago
Very true, however, many on the left, and even some here, have stated that it is a verrrrrrrry small percentage of those protesting that are conducting violent acts. This poll shows how wrong they are. 

Again, there is a difference between feeling and doing.  It is correct that a very small percentage of people actually conducting Tesla vandalism.  

For the time being anyway, this is still a free country.  Wanting to do something is not a crime.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10.3.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jack_TX @10.3.5    6 days ago
Wanting to do something is not a crime.

Agree, but wanting to do something is a step toward doing something or at a minimum supporting those that do.  And sometimes a whackadoodle will do something stupid if he feels he is getting the support.  A Luigi Mangione copycat may come out of the shadows because of all the support and "love" Luigi seems to be getting.   

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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10.3.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jack_TX @10.3.5    6 days ago
Wanting to do something is not a crime.

You're going to have a BIG problem convincing those on the left side of the aisle of that. 

 
 

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