What would make you change your mind about the wisdom of a second Trump term ? 

As of right now, absolutely nothing. He is doing exactly what he was voted to do. He is not yet at his first one hundred days, the traditional time frame for a term honeymoon.

On the flip side, you leftists gave Biden a four-year honeymoon, and could never bring yourself to realize what a horrible mistake it was to vote for him.....until it became too late. By far the worst puppet president in any of our lifetimes. 

He is doing exactly what he was voted to do.

So, the trillions lost in the market, the instability introduced into both the global economy and foreign policy, the cost of goods continuing to rise, the idea of manufacturing returning to the US anytime soon is laughable, and our military plans being shared on unsecure platforms with journalists and family members, all this is a "feature", not a bug?

you leftists gave Biden a four-year honeymoon, and could never bring yourself to realize what a horrible mistake it was to vote for him

If you measure success by how the country did under a specific Presidents administration, Biden's was a clear success whether you want to argue he was at the wheel or not. I've been clear that I was no fan of Biden and I felt the American people deserved better. But Bidens administration was leaps and bounds more stable, even if it was some "Weekend at Biden's" strings and pullies moving him around, than the Trump administration. I would much rather have a President staying out of the headlines and letting the country and business get on with their lives than some dick tater like Trump injecting uncertainty and disruption into the nation in an effort to break things so that rightwing conservative bigots can rebuild in their image.

So, the trillions lost in the market

That will come back. It always does. Plus, the market was due for a correction anyway, 

"he instability introduced into both the global economy and foreign policy"

Leftists always want immediate satisfaction if it were a Republican admin, but "transitory" if it is democrat. 

"the cost of goods continuing to rise, "

Not in most of the country

"the idea of manufacturing returning to the US anytime soon is laughable"

Tell that to the companies that have dedicated many billions of dollars to the US economy

"and our military plans being shared on unsecure platforms with journalists and family members,"

Nothing classified, but you knew that.

"Biden's was a clear success whether you want to argue he was at the wheel or not. "

Opinions vary.

"I've been clear that I was no fan of Biden and I felt the American people deserved better. "

Yes, most leftists have declared this after the damage was done, and nothing was said before hand, except for things like..."he's as sharp as a tack", and "he does circles around his staff".

The rest of your rant was nothing more than that. 

That will come back. It always does. Plus, the market was due for a correction anyway

You know as well as I do that if the stock market was tanking under a Democratic administration there's simply no way you'd be making such nonchalant statements.

Not in most of the country

A recent  analysis  by the Yale Budget Lab estimates that overall food prices will rise by 2.6% in the next three years, as a result of U.S. tariffs as well as reciprocal tariffs from foreign nations in place as of April 15. Fresh produce is estimated to rise 5.4%, according to the think tank, before stabilizing at 3.6% higher.

Grocery prices continue to rise, but some cities see higher spikes than others - CBS News

Tell that to the companies that have dedicated many billions of dollars to the US economy

Sweeping tariffs could threaten the US manufacturing rebound

Nothing classified, but you knew that.

The information Defense Secretary   Pete Hegseth   disclosed in the Signal chat of top Trump national security officials was highly classified at the time he wrote it, especially because the operation had not even started yet, according to a US defense official familiar with the operation and another source who was briefed on it afterward.

The updates Hegseth was giving in the   Signal chat   were the kind of real-time play-by-play that a commander would be giving to the president in a highly classified setting as the operation unfolded.

“These are operational plans that are highly classified in order to protect the service members,” the defense official said. - Sources say the details shared by Hegseth in Signal chat were classified as Atlantic publishes additional messages | CNN Politics

most leftists have declared this after the damage was done

What fucking damage? Those who believe the Biden administration was some sort of disaster are just bitter partisans who have their heads shoved so far up Trumps ass they can smell his breath. Inflation was going to happen after Covid no matter who was President, trying to claim it was Bidens fault is just moronic.

He is doing exactly what he was voted to do.

Like causing major price increases.

You reactionaries have a tenuous grip on reality.  By the end of Biden's presidency he delivered Trump a strong, vibrant economy that was the envy of the world.  Trump's accomplishments so far - the worst stock market performance since the Great Depression, a projected 40 year high inflation rate, a 30% drop in consumer confidence, a looming recession if not stagflation or worse, the hollowing out of essential federal government agencies providing services American citizens rely on, an unwinnable trade war, the certainty of product shortages and empty shelves within days according to rhe CEOs of Wal-Mart, Target and Home Depot.  The largest port in the country, Los Angeles/Long Beach, has already experienced a 44% year over year decline in goods shipped from China.  We could go on.  And all in less than 100 days.  Well-played, magas!  You voted for the worst President in modern history.

You know as well as I do that if the stock market was tanking under a Democratic administration there's simply no way you'd be making such nonchalant statements.

Well, of course you are wrong. I have no interest in the stock market, so I really don't care about it. 

"A recent  analysis  by the Yale Budget Lab estimates that overall food prices will rise by 2.6% in the next three years,"

So, an average of less than one percent a year. Big whooopee. Where were you when interest was up to none percent under your dementia hero?

"could"

Coulda woulda shoulda.Pure opinion and you, and everyone else, has no idea.

"The information Defense Secretary   Pete Hegseth   disclosed in the Signal chat of top Trump national security officials was highly classified at the time he wrote it, especially because the operation had not even started yet, according to a US defense official familiar with the operation and another source who was briefed on it afterward.

The updates Hegseth was giving in the   Signal chat   were the kind of real-time play-by-play that a commander would be giving to the president in a highly classified setting as the operation unfolded."

What was this "US defense official's" name? Oh, yea...an anonymous source. You don't even know if that "source " is real

".hose who believe the Biden administration was some sort of disaster are just bitter partisans who have their heads shoved so far up Trumps ass they can smell his breath. Inflation was going to happen after Covid no matter who was President, trying to claim it was Bidens fault is just moronic."

So you took the bait and ran with it. You probably also believed "he is as sharp as a tack" and " he does laps around the White House staff"

Gullible

Like causing major price increases.

I went through your posts and for some reason s/, I couldn't find this post when inflation was out of control while your hero was president. Reactionaries will project their failures onto others. Good job. 

What would you reactionaries' response be when we experience a rebound and come back stronger?

My guess is you reactionaries will find something else to bitch about.

The updates Hegseth was giving in the   Signal chat   were the kind of real-time play-by-play that a commander would be giving to the president in a highly classified setting as the operation unfolded."

Still cancer that needs to get cut out of the DOJ and DOD.    It will take time but they are making progress.    Our friends on the left will be whining the whole way though.    Meanwhile the cancer that has metastasized the last 5-6 years will be scurrying about like roaches when a light gets turned on.

What would you reactionaries' response be when we experience a rebound and come back stronger?

Give credit to anyone but Trump.    The mania would not allow that.

Another total failed comment by you.  Typical reactionary stuff.  A prime example of schizo-fascism.

Absolutely zero of my posts are fails.

Unable to counter them with a coherent argument does not make them a failure.

Even an ambulance chasing lawyer knows that. 

The mania would not allow that.

We see what happens to minorities when they escape the democratic plantation. 

A prime example of schizo-fascism.

Another made up term that would be laughed out of a court.

On the flip side, you leftists gave Biden a four-year honeymoon

Well, as someone who never wanted Biden to even be VP, much less president, I feel qualified to reply.

By far the worst puppet president in any of our lifetimes.

Biden was feeble, but any puppetry seems limited to handling him in public. Not in law.

You should check out some of the videos of Trump signing executive orders. It’s clear that in many - if not most - cases, he is signing something he is hearing about for the first time. He just signs whatever they put in front of him. Talk about a puppet!

Another made up term

Another ignorant comment on multiple levels.  Sad.

Even a fake internet "military veteran" would know that.

You should check out some of the videos of Trump signing executive orders. It’s clear that in many - if not most - cases, he is signing something he is hearing about for the first time. He just signs whatever they put in front of him

Hilarious from a supporter of someone that did not even know things had been signed in his name.

Can you say "auto pen".

Biden used 'autopen signature' on many official WH docs, raising concerns over his awareness

This headline is misleading as Biden probably did not know his signature was being used to pass through many left wing failures.

Even a fake internet "military veteran" would know that.

What does this have to do with terms that would be laughed out of court.

Sounds like someone is failing at taunting.

Many figured it out in 2024.    Trump got more of their vote than any other Republican POTUS candidate.    Especially the Black vote.

That sure puts a bee in many of these folks bonnets

Talk about a puppet!

How can this be?    

I thought Trump listened to no one but himself.

So confusing ……

Merriam Webster disagrees with you.    As I’m sure any other reputable dictionary will as well.    

The left loves to make shit up that they think advances their narrative.    Nothing intellectual about that.    Nothing at all ….

Your comment is deeply ignorant.  Scholars of modern totalitarian movements, and other commentators, have expounded at length about the concept of "schizo-fascism".  It is pertinent and apt. 

Reactionaries who narrowly limit what they think they understand to what they may or may not find in a dictionary are intellectually bereft.

Can you say "auto pen".

The auto pen has been used by presidents, for things like pardons, for almost 100 years.

No idea what that means.

Interesting

It is pertinent and apt. 

lol …… opinions do vary but nothing new there when it comes to this place.

True, but those presidents were probably aware of what was being signed for them. Biden admitted to Speaker Johnson he did not know about something that had been signed in his name.

More than likely, many, many more of the same. 

Makes a lot more sense than Obama's fourth term. 

You might have to think about that one a little bit.

I think it is going very well, as do most other Americans. Doing what he was elected to do and then some.

A small and loud minority oppose him, but they are hapless, hopeless, and helpless. The Dems have become a circular firing squad without a plan or clue 

"Since taking office Trump has lied, profusely every day of his term."

His latest big one is that Xi Jinping has phoned him and the Chinese are already negotiating the tariffs with America.  That has been flatly and absolutely denied by Chinese officials, and because of the liar's reputation of lying I damn well believe the Chinese.

Trump, China trade conflicting statements on trade talks, raising confusion

U.S. President  Donald Trump  asserted in an interview published on Friday that  tariff  negotiations were underway with  China , but Beijing denied any talks were taking place, the latest in a series of conflicting signals over what progress was being made to de-escalate a trade war threatening to sap global growth.

Trump told TIME magazine  that talks were taking place and that Chinese President Xi Jinping had called him, an assertion he repeated to reporters as he was leaving the White House on Friday morning for Rome to attend the funeral of Pope Francis.

“China and the U.S. are NOT having any consultation or negotiation on #tariffs,” China shot back in a foreign ministry statement posted by the Chinese Embassy in the U.S. “The U.S. should stop creating confusion.”

LINK -> Trump, China trade conflicting statements on trade talks, raising confusion - National | Globalnews.ca

I'm beginning to think that the NT Conservatives who still support Trump should make appointments with a psychiatrist.

CNN.com - Transcripts

ABRAMS: Look, we don't know if China's lying or not, but I'm just saying that there is no doubt that there is a different story coming out of China.

PHILLIP: They said that they are not talking to the Trump administration.

AIDALA: Like all of a sudden, we're going to rely on everything that China says to a news outlet --

(CROSSTALKS)

UNGAR-SARGON: Why are you guys on China's side in this? It's insane.

FUGELSANG: How do you not trust China but trust Donald Trump is plainly what we're talking about. You trust ([h) very much.

UNGAR-SARGON: I think that's really sad that you trust our greatest adversary more than the president of the United States, who was elected by over 80 million of your fellow Americans.

FUGELSANG: The majority of people who showed -- excuse me, the majority of people who showed up to vote voted against him in 2016, 2020, and 2024. There's no mandate to speak of. I don't trust China but there is no reason --

UNGAR-SARGON: I'm sorry, you dispute that he won the -- you dispute that he won the election?

FUGELSANG: I tell you that the majority of folks who showed up to vote in all three elections voted against him. He never cracked 50 percent.

UNGAR-SARGON: You mean cumulatively?

FUGELSANG: He never cracked 50 percent. He has no mandate, whatsoever.

AIDALA: You can say that about a lot of presidents who've --

UNGAR-SARGON: To give preference to China over the president of the United States --

FUGELSANG: No, because it is not --

AIDALA: Same about Bill Clinton. FUGELSANG: Why should I believe that Donald Trump is telling the truth about anything at this point? How can our allies believe it? Who's going to enter into a deal with us after pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, pulling out of the Paris Accord after this?

Well, as I've said, when it comes to whether I believe China or Trump on this issue, what does China have to gain by lying about it?  It doesn't make sense to me that China is lying and Trump isn't on this issue, because it is important for Trump, in his own mind, to show that he is "winning" and China has made it clear that they'll only talk to Trump if he addresses the issue respectfully without coercion or blackmail, and he has already been telling other nations not to deal with China?  I don't think Trump is capable of meeting those requirements.

UNGAR-SARGON: I think that's really sad that you trust our greatest adversary more than the president of the United States, who was elected by over 80 million of your fellow Americans.

That's fabulous! Apparently, this person gives their trust according to the position occupied by the speaker, regardless of their past record of lying or telling the truth. He trusts Trump because Trump is President... despite not disputing the idea that Trump lies constantly.

For this person, lies are not a reason to not trust.  

I'm beginning to think that the NT Conservatives who still support Trump should make appointments with a psychiatrist.

I’ve felt that about many of my friends on the left here since about 2016 but alas ….. few have made that connection and their mania just seems to get worse and worse and worse and ….

China dealing honestly and fairly?    Hilarious.    

Try selling that hokum somewhere else.

As for your replies, as Major Strasser said in Casablanca:  "I expected no less."  Why don't you try my Casablanca quiz - still a couple days left.  

LINK -> Casablanca Movie Quiz - Buzz Of The Orient | The NewsTalkers

In the greatest scandal this century, China lied and tried to cover up the origins of  a disease that killed millions across the globe. Including in their propaganda claims were claims that covid's spread  originated from  a lab leak in Maryland and fake rumours that the americans vaccines were killing people to discourage their use and to cause maximum damage to America.  

Even putting aside the last 85 years where they killed 100 million of their own citizens, and the fact that they censor the internet to lie to their own people, imagine trusting CCP propaganda with that so recent.   

Trump Supporters, What Is Your Breaking Point?

What you're referring to would be someone's standards being pushed to the point where the person they are trying to defend does something they can no longer defend thus reaching a "breaking point" between where the supporters standards would no longer allow them to continue their support. Unfortunately, it's been made abundantly clear that rightwing Trump supporters have no standards. There is simply nothing Trump could do that would lose him their support. As he said, he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and wouldn't lose any supporters. These dip shits would vote for him for a third term if they were given the option to even if there was a video of him pissing on underage Russian prostitutes. There simply is nothing that would cause those who have had their mouths and brains sewn to his asshole like some behemoth human centipede to ever abandon their primary source of fantasy bullshit rhetoric being fed through their mental colon.

I agree completely but I think from time to time we should give them the chance to change their mind. 

Silly comments like this destroys any rational point you might be trying to make.

Silly comments like this destroys any rational point you might be trying to make.

? There's nothing silly about what I stated, or can you step up and present a "breaking point" that would be a bridge too far for Trump where you and the majority of rightwing conservative Trump supporters would say "No Donald! That's not okay! I could never support a man who did " ... " what?

And I would do anything for Trump
I'd run right into hell and back
I would do anything for Trump
I'll never lie to you and that's a lie

But I'll never forget the way you feel right now
Oh no
No way
And I would do anything for Trump
But I won't do that...
No I won't do- ???

Leatmoaf - aka your average Trump sycophant

MAGA has truly upped the meaning of thank you sir may I have another.

That will be J D Vance carrying Trump's legacy far into the future

That will be J D Vance carrying Trump's legacy far into the future

JD is worthless. 

JD is worthless?    Biden was worthless.    Harris would have been worthless.    Both are a poor man’s Vance.

JD wasn't a reality-TV personality. He isn't qualified to lead MAGA.

Just remember that  reality-TV personality beat the best that the dems had to offer,  TWICE.

That says s-o-o-o much about the American electorate.

It says more about how broken the DNC and Democrats are.    Much more!

The Economist

Border security is easy once you turn the country into an autocratic nightmare where everybody loses.

Border security is all any xenophobic Trump sycophants care about. 

True but since most Trump supporters are not xenophobic, an irrelevant comment.

What is the "source" of this poll and who were the participants?

I also like to know the exact questions asked in any poll.  Polestars have a way to word the questions to get the response they want.

I don't know if they will ever let go of the fantasy Trump laid out to dupe them. They won't ever admit they were the mark.

The tariff whiplash, the economic destruction, the destruction of our government, the loss of jobs, removing all safety protections for food & drugs, removing environmental protections, and the daily falling approval numbers showing the American people are not happy, it's never enough to prove to his followers that he's a disaster.

Trump was a disaster the first term, and this time is worse. They literally can't or won't accept he cares nothing for his base or anyone else unless they $ line his pockets or praise him.

Blame China - that's what the Trumpers can do.. Give them a chance to release their vitriol.

We know there a number of die hard Trump supporters here. We know that because they still make excuses for his erratic deceitful corrupt behavior.  

It didn't take long for the first incorrect statement.  Many Trump haters still can't tell the difference between Trump supporters and people not willing to buy into Trump hysteria which started in 2015.   It has only gotten more desperate because they are being largely ignored.

Give me a choice better than Trump and I’ll jump.    The last three choices weren’t even a consideration.    It ultimately comes down to who will represent your policy positions best not emotion.

Many on the left never made it back after Trump beat chosen one #1.    Now that he has beaten chosen one #2 (and arguably Biden) I doubt they will ever make it back to sanity.

Sad but when he beat Clinton something broke in many of them.   The rest just exacerbated that earliest wound.   Yep, truly sad it be …..

Give me a choice better than Trump and I’ll jump

Exactly.  I have always said the dems are as responsible for trump as the Republicans. They nominated the only person a game show host could beat and backed that up with a hand-off from a brain dead fool to a dei hire that could not piece together a coherent sentence.