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Headfirst Into War

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  10 months ago  •  188 comments

By:   Jennifer Rubin

Headfirst Into War
The horrific attack on Venezuela overnight puts the U.S. in the same camp as Russia.

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The horrific attack on Venezuela overnight puts the U.S. in the same camp as Russia.


Jennifer RubinJan 03, 2026483100108Share

Americans probably still can be shocked and horrified. An undeclared, unprovoked, and illegal war designed to, well, we can only guess—though Donald Trump and JD Vance have seemed to concede this was a war for oil—puts the United States on the same moral and legal footing as Russia, which invaded its neighbor in a war of pure aggression. The U.S. president this weekend attacked a sovereign nation, killed its citizens, and kidnapped its leader.

Rep, Jim Himes, ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, said in a statement:


Maduro is an illegitimate ruler, but I have seen no evidence that his presidency poses a threat that would justify military action without Congressional authorization, nor have I heard a strategy for the day after and how we will prevent Venezuela from descending into chaos. Secretary Rubio repeatedly denied to Congress that the Administration intended to force regime change in Venezuela. The Administration must immediately brief Congress on its plan to ensure stability in the region and its legal justification for this decision.

Sen. Andy Kim (D-N.J.) aptly explained the constitutional outrage. "Trump rejected our Constitutionally required approval process for armed conflict because the Administration knows the American people overwhelmingly reject risks pulling our nation into another war," he declared on social media. "This will further damage our reputation—already hurt by Trump's policies around the world—and only isolate us in a time when we need our friends and allies more than ever." Indeed, Mexico already denounced the action. Others are sure to follow.

Any and all regime officials who insisted in congressional briefings that the boat strikes were about drugs, not regime change, lied to Congress as Kim and others have pointed out, and participated in a wholly unconstitutional war. Even Susie Wiles condeded in a recent Vanity Fair article that attacking the mainland would require congressional assent. So much for that.

The U.S. attorney general declared that the United States had indicted Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, on narcotics charges and will be tried in federal court. That outlandish proposition opens the seizure to scrutiny and raises the interesting possibility that Trump claims he enjoys immunity but not other heads of state.

Sen. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.), an Iraq War veteran, posted a sobering warning: "I fought in some of the hardest battles of the Iraq War. Saw my brothers die, saw civilians being caught in the crossfire all for an unjustified war. No matter the outcome we are in the wrong for starting this war in Venezuela." He added, "Second unjustified war in my life time. This war is illegal, it's embarrassing that we went from the world cop to the world bully in less than one year. There is no reason for us to be at war with Venezuela."

It is hard not to conclude that the action is a "wag the dog moment" aimed at distracting the public from the Epstein files, the rotten economy, and Trump's declining health. It very well could supercharge Trump's lawless and violent domestic policies against migrants, civil society groups, and others on grounds that they are authorized by wartime powers. His rickety tower of constitutional rubbish will continue to build.

We should have no expectation that congressional Republicans will do anything to thwart Trump (the power of the purse, impeachment, activation of the War Powers Act). They have repeatedly caved in allowing his illegal attacks on boats and even the killing of survivors left adrift after the U.S. blew up their boat.

Democrats, however, should act to garner public support and reiterate the danger posed by MAGA. Impeachment of all concerned and future criminal prosecution where possible should be on the table. Funding for the government runs out this month, and a nonstop series of speeches to the American people during a second government shutdown would be edifying.

This mind-blowing attack is the direct result of a Supreme Court MAGA majority, and Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. specifically, who granted him broad immunitynever envisioned by the Framers. He has taken that and run with it—now headfirst into war.

The dangers to Americans in Venezuela and elsewhere, the potential for chaos or the ascension of an equally bad or noxious figure, international isolation and rebukes, and magnified economic uncertainty are all possible.

The Contrarian will have much more to say in the hours, days, and weeks ahead as we follow the ramifications of what, even for Trump, is a hideous assault on the Constitution.

UPDATE: A statement from Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.), the ranking member on the Senate Intelligence Committee, read in part, "Our Constitution places the gravest decisions about the use of military force in the hands of Congress for a reason. Using military force to enact regime change demands the closest scrutiny, precisely because the consequences do not end with the initial strike.

"If the United States asserts the right to use military force to invade and capture foreign leaders it accuses of criminal conduct, what prevents China from claiming the same authority over Taiwan's leadership? What stops Vladimir Putin from asserting similar justification to abduct Ukraine's president? Once this line is crossed, the rules that restrain global chaos begin to collapse, and authoritarian regimes will be the first to exploit it."


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago
"they should say great job. They shouldn’t say, oh, gee, maybe it’s not constitutional, you know, the same old stuff that we’ve been hearing for years and years and years.” Donald Trump
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    10 months ago

Jennifer Rubin is a traitor

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    10 months ago

Trump is the traitor. He tried to overthrow our government on Jan 6th 2021

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    10 months ago

You're a little confused. When we are done everyone will be more prosperous, safer and happier.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    10 months ago
When we are done everyone will be more prosperous, safer and happier.

Whether they want to or not.  You will also tell them what the new definition of prosperous, safer and happier is.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    10 months ago
When we are done everyone will be more prosperous, safer and happier.

isn't that what POS/POTUS said would happen after his 1st day in office?

 
 
 
shona1
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1.1.5  shona1  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    10 months ago

Morning...wwweeellll I guess he had to do something as annexing Canada wasn't working out..

So does this mean Venezuela has now become America's 51st State??

Asking for a friend..😁

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  shona1 @1.1.5    10 months ago

28 million new brownish citizens? Speaking Spanish? Under this administration? I wouldn’t count on it.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.1.7  Gsquared  replied to  shona1 @1.1.5    10 months ago

Puerto Rico first!

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.8  devangelical  replied to  shona1 @1.1.5    10 months ago

no, you're using logic and reason when you should be thinking like a maga.

trump took venezuela, and so far has gotten away with it, so now he gets to keep it. in the meantime, while POS/POTUS and his pals are selling off the country's resources for personal profit, the US taxpayers will pay to have the country remodeled, get the new plumbing and infrastructure installed, and then trump will visit (move in to) the luxurious new US ambassador's estate. then after our navy, air force, and army have built their new bases there with plenty of new military equipment, trump will rename venezuela after him and claim independence. his incompetent brigade of maga bimbo lawyers will then claim the US has no claims or jurisdiction, or even an extradition treaty, over trump's new kingdom of magaland ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.6    10 months ago

he'll make them leave, and then build a wall ...

 
 
 
shona1
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1.1.10  shona1  replied to  devangelical @1.1.9    10 months ago

Geez and how many billions is this going to cost the US..

Venezuela is another basket case along with Afghanistan and Iraq...

Soon as the US leaves it will implode...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  shona1 @1.1.10    10 months ago
eez and how many billions is this going to cost the US..

The cost of caring for a few thousand Somali immigrants nets a massive increase in oil supply that will lower energy costs and denies our enemies a country a that evades and ignores western sanctions?  Good deal.  Now China and Russia better hope the Iranian terrorists remain in control.

enezuela is another basket case along with Afghanistan and Iraq..

Venezuela was a prosperous, relatively stable country before Chavez.  Hopefully, a generation of socialist tyranny  hasn't destroyed the culture that made Venezuela one of South America's success stories. But yes, the socialists have obviously done a ton of damage to the Venezuelan people that might not be easy to reduce. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.12  devangelical  replied to  shona1 @1.1.10    10 months ago

bloody hell, we've got plenty of money now that we're starving the kids we've stopped inoculating around the world, and we're throwing people off welfare and making their health insurance unaffordable in this country ...

 
 
 
shona1
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1.1.13  shona1  replied to  devangelical @1.1.12    10 months ago

Ahhh silly me..how could I forget..

And here they just announced more medications going on the PBS for the New Year for cancer, arthritis, mental health, contraception and other rare diseases etc etc..

One of the cancer treatments I had was $12,000 a month now virtually free down to $31.60.. lucky it didn't cost me anything as I was on a trial.. another tablet was $20,000 a month now down to $31.60 a month..

Without these drugs I would have been gone 5 years ago..so more than happy to live on my sandbar..🦘

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.14  devangelical  replied to  shona1 @1.1.13    10 months ago

how much is that in american money? because I'd consider spending that monthly just to be able to make fun of you here daily. let's see, that's about $2 USD per day with unlimited insults ... ... very affordable.

 
 
 
shona1
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1.1.15  shona1  replied to  devangelical @1.1.14    10 months ago

No worries I will type it slowly so you can read it..🤣🤣

$12,000 Aussie is $8,000 US

$20,000 Aussie is $13,000 US

See you mob are cheap at half the price..🤣 and behind in time as well..🤣

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.16  devangelical  replied to  shona1 @1.1.15    10 months ago

no you bloody yobbo, how much is 31.60 in american money? crickey, it's sounding even more like a bargain ...

 
 
 
shona1
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1.1.17  shona1  replied to  devangelical @1.1.16    10 months ago

Evening...well ya feral you never said that you galah..🙄

$31.60 AUS is $21.20 US..

Remember Google is your friend..😁

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.18  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    10 months ago
You're a little confused. When we are done everyone will be more prosperous, safer and happier.

Yet just another case of " Amore per tutti"?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    10 months ago

got any facts to back up that "opinion"?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  shona1 @1.1.10    10 months ago

You get it

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.21  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.19    10 months ago

Right in this article she claims that our President went to war with Venezuela.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.21    10 months ago

he didn't?

that doesn't prove she's a traitor.

Should we bring back the guillotine? Because you see traitors every where around you and it's people expressing their opinions. First Amendment? Remember that one? Or did they not cover that in your high school?

Frankly, Vic I don't want to live in a world with you in it. I don;t have a choice but I do have another one

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.21    10 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.24  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.22    10 months ago
he didn't?

No, it was a law enforcement action. In case you don't know Maduro is wanted by the Southern District of New York.


Should we bring back the guillotine?

That was never part of US tradition.


Because you see traitors every where around you and it's people expressing their opinions.

I'll bet you've used that word more than I have. What's the matter, you don't like the sound of it anymore?


[✘] I [✘] think Lincoln was right. In the end it has to be one way or the other.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.23    10 months ago

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devangelical
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1.1.26  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.24    10 months ago
it was a law enforcement action

since when does american LE agencies have jurisdiction in other countries, with the exception of our embassies?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1    10 months ago

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

Is Trump going to steal Venezuela's oil ? 

That very well may be one of his reasons for this. Another front line reason is that Trump was told, years ago, and believes, that Venezuela manipulated American voting machines when he lost in 2020. Plus the people in Venezuela are not white, thus he doesnt give a shit about following the law in dealings with them. 

Sadly, very sadly, we as Americans 100% cannot trust our president to be straight with us. This man hasnt been straight at any time over the last 30 or 40 years.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @2    10 months ago
Plus the people in Venezuela are not white,

I didn't know that!

(What color are they?)

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @2.1    10 months ago

That is out and out hilarious. I guess some folks have no clue about the Spanish colonial influence or the fact that a large amount of Germans settled in Venezuela courtesy of the Vatican Rat Lines immediately after WW II. Thus, there are huge numbers of caucasian fair skinned, blond haired, blue eyed people in Venezuela of German heritage. Some people should really read up on world history before making blanket statements.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.1    10 months ago

It doesn’t matter. They don’t speak English and don’t come from English ancestry, so they are brown. That’s how we do racism. We did it to the Irish, the Italians, and others. What actual color they are is really beside the point.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.1    10 months ago

Sorry, the "ratlines" ended primarily in Argentina with some extending to, or relocating to Brazil or Chile.

Venezuela identifies as 58% white, of mostly Spanish descent, even though most or the population has some native American or African DNA markers.

The German's contribution was statistically negligible. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.3    10 months ago

Either way that still invalidates the above comment above stating that "Plus the people in Venezuela are not white...".

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.3    10 months ago
Sorry, the "ratlines" ended primarily in Argentina with some extending to, or relocating to Brazil or Chile.

IIRC, although smaller in number, some of them also settled in Paraguay.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @2.1.5    10 months ago

Argentina was the primary arrival point for the Rat Line courtesy of Juan Peron. German's spread out multiple South American countries later, including Peru.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.4    10 months ago

Genetically the statement isn't incorrect. Almost everyone in Venezuela has a percentage of central American Indian or African genes regardless of how they identify on government documents.

And for the longest time, white Spaniards were not considered white because of genetic ties to the Romans and Moors.

To white Europeans all Spaniards were considered Cholo, not white.

That's why Cubans fit right in and were used as secret police and spies in Venezuela.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.8  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.3    10 months ago
As usual, not quite right:
While an exact current figure is hard to pinpoint due to migration, Venezuela has a significant German-descended population, concentrated in areas like  Colonia Tovar , a distinct German-influenced town, with estimates suggesting  thousands to tens of thousands  of German Venezuelans, though precise numbers vary by source and definition, with historical counts showing thousands in the 1930s and recent estimates focusing on specific communities.  
Key Points:
  • Colonia Tovar:  This unique community in Aragua state is a well-known center for German culture, with its own dialect, architecture, and traditions, housing several thousand residents.
  • Broader Population:  German descendants (Deutsch-Venezolaner) also live in cities like Caracas, Maracaibo, and Valencia, but their numbers are less clearly defined.
  • Historical Context:  Early German colonization efforts, like the Welser territory ( Klein-Venedig ), laid groundwork, and later waves of immigration established communities.
  • Varying Estimates:  Older sources mention around 4,000 Germans in Venezuela in the late 1930s, while more recent focus is on the ~6,000 in Colonia Tovar or broader figures for German Venezuelans.  
In essence, there's a strong German heritage, especially visible in specific towns, but a precise total population count for all German descendants is elusive in recent data.  
Google AI -
 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.8    10 months ago

I am sorry for your loss.

As usual, not quite right:

Well if you had been paying attention, the comment was made about the German influence in Venezuela due to the Nazi ratlines to Argentina.

One could say your own "AI" "research" proves that wrong because Germans were present in the 30's.

Your AI research however cannot provide a breakdown of people who identify as German Venezuelans.

Out of 29.7 million no one lists Germans as a legitimate subset of the Venezuelan population.

Demographics of Venezuela - Wikipedia

While the Germans are mentioned in most articles, they are almost immeasurable as your own "AI Research" has pointed out.

Thanks again for your service.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.10  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.9    10 months ago

Musta missed something - what did I lose - and your welcome for the service which I would gladly do again - but they said they didn't need any over 75's door gunners.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.10    10 months ago
Musta missed something - what did I lose

Your objectivity, apparently.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.12  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.10    10 months ago
they didn't need any over 75's door gunners

those will probably be in the 2nd round of maga draftees ...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.13  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.11    10 months ago

Why is that personal insult not flagged???

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.13    10 months ago

Probably for the same reason this insult wasn't flagged

You definitely need to learn how the real world works.

And because the following statement defies your being anything near being objective.

 If it had been done by the Dems/Libs, a national holiday with free passes to anywhere would have been declared, including FREE scholarships, medical, housing, wages, pensions compliments of the Dem/Lib victors.

Ok?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.15  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.14    10 months ago

Just factual - something many miss.

As I said, the world view needs to be taken into consideration and, IMHO, the Dem/Libs have really turned the U.S. into a cesspool.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.15    10 months ago

Well you certainly have the right to your opinion and the more you express it, the less credible you will become, IMHO.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.15    10 months ago
IMHO, the Dem/Libs have really turned the U.S. into a cesspool.

Seriously? 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @2    10 months ago

POS/POTUS is almost too fucking predictable. he's again using taxpayer money, and now the US military, to enrich himself and his cronies ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @2.2    10 months ago

yep

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @2.2    10 months ago

The US will now be controlling Venezuela's oil until the time that Trump sees fit to allow the people of that country a small say in it. 

Does anyone in their right mind believe that Trump is not going to personally financially benefit from this "arrangement". ? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    10 months ago

Anthony Scaramucci said on his podcast a few days ago that Trump wants to make 20 billion dollars (for himself) before he leaves office. This is a part of it. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.4  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    10 months ago

too bad he won't live long enough to spend it ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.5  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    10 months ago

gee, it sounds like another "the east wing of the white house won't be touched" type of trump lie ...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.6  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    10 months ago

Why do you babble like that John - you have no friggin' idea what is going to happen in Venezuela.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.6    10 months ago

I think I have followed Trumps behavior far more thoroughly than you have. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.8  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.7    10 months ago

No you haven't John - unless you call all your knowledge based on the National Inquirer as knowing his behavior.

You know ONLY the negative that you want to impose.

Go for it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.8    10 months ago
unless you call all your knowledge based on the National Inquirer as knowing his behavior.

LOL. At least your trying to be humorous. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.10  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.9    10 months ago

I do that occasionally - but so many here can't catch them/it.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.11  1stwarrior  replied to  devangelical @2.2.4    10 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @2    10 months ago

IMO Trump created this crisis to be an effective public distraciton from two things:

1.  The massive redactions in the released Epstein files cause the public to imagine even worse about Trump (who is well identified in them) than what actually might be factual whether or not what is redacted was damning or not.

2.   The polls are negative for the Republicans in a Congressional election year, and would most likely put Congress back in the hands of the Democrats..

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

The horrific attack on Venezuela overnight puts the U.S. in the same camp as Russia

This reads like a Babylon Bee parody of progressive hysteria. That's it meant seriously is hilarious.

By all means, I'd love to see progressives defend equating the Maduro regime to the Ukrainian one.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    10 months ago

You have turned Rubins sentence on its head. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    10 months ago
You have turned Rubins sentence on its head. 

She called the attack on the Maduro regime "horrific" and equated it to Russia attacking Ukraine.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    10 months ago

Interesting that the liberal left said the same thing about continued warfare in Iran when we trashed their nuclear sites. It is the same in Venezuela. The US did only what they needed to do, which was get and arrest Maduro, and that is it. The unbridled hypocrisy of the hard core liberal Democrats in this country and nations like China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba and other adversarial nations is amazing.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.2    10 months ago

In other words, you are all for, unbridled attacks in Somalia, Venezuela, without Congressional approval.

We aren't talking about attacking some island to save US medical students with the beneifit of embarassing Cuba.

We are talking about making up our own rules, aka , Putin, Kim and others.

Is that the "club" we want to belong to?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.2    10 months ago
the liberal left said the same thing about continued warfare in Iran when we trashed their nuclear sites

yeah, right ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.3    10 months ago
Is that the "club" we want to belong to?

I'm no longer distressed by the unamerican statements of those you would think of as the standard bearers of preserving, protecting, and defending the US constitution and rule of law.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    10 months ago

I liked Zelinski's comments and implications.  If this is how we treat tyrants and dictators, Trump should know what to do next (about Putin) .

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.6    10 months ago

every world leader can smell trump's blood in the water now ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.3    10 months ago
In other words, you are all for, unbridled attacks in Somalia, Venezuela, without Congressional approval.

Biden put a $25 million bounty on Maduro.  Trump did what Biden was afraid to do. It requires ZERO congressional approval.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.8    10 months ago

Congress disagrees.  There is no myriad of UN agreements or sanctions against Maduro that would allow a military incursion into Venezuela.

House Republicans and GOP Senators believed Trump when he said this was drug interdiction, not regime change.

Now we find out that the insertion team built a replica and practiced for 3 months...to capture Maduro.

Now we find out that Trump notified the big oil companies before he notified Congress or his political allies.

Our behavior violates international law, the UN Charter and the terms of NATO.

I am not surprised however that lying, lawlessness and fascism go hand in hand.

While Trump removed Maduro, he placed the sitting VP in charge instead of the legally elected president and his VP who are in exile in Spain.

Trump leaves the whole "corrupt government of Maduro" in place while only removing Mr & Mrs Maduro.

Can't make this shit up...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.10  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.3    10 months ago

You definitely need to learn how the real world works.  If it had been done by the Dems/Libs, a national holiday with free passes to anywhere would have been declared, including FREE scholarships, medical, housing, wages, pensions compliments of the Dem/Lib victors.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.10    10 months ago
You definitely need to learn how the real world works.

So did you win the long straw or get the short one?

If it had been done by the Dems/Libs,

The point is, it probably never would have been done by anyone other than Republicans.  At least Reagan went in to "rescue medical school students  and Bush could cite the death of a US serviceman, threats to our military bases and dependents when he nabbed Noriega. Noriega was taking millions a year in CIA money to stop drug trafficking while he was, in fact, managing the drug trafficking and prospering from both sides.

a national holiday with free passes to anywhere would have been declared, including FREE scholarships, medical, housing, wages, pensions compliments of the Dem/Lib victors

Wow, such ridiculous rhetoric, sounds like you miss Alex jones and Rush L.

But once again, thank you for your decades of service.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.12  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.10    10 months ago

no facts, just bullshit ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    10 months ago

Sean, is Trump going to steal Venezuelas oil, or just make a deal with people down there that is in effect the same result? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    10 months ago
or just make a deal with people down there that is in effect the same result? 

What does that mean? If you mean allow Venezuelan businesses to sell oil and hopefully eventually return the country to pre Chavez levels of prosperity, than Yes. Not sure how that equates to "stealing" though.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    10 months ago

Your unsolvable problem is that you believe Trump is honest. That belief by the MAGA millions is destroying our country. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    10 months ago
Your unsolvable problem is that you believe Trump is honest.

No, not in the slightest.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.3    10 months ago

Well lets put it like this - you behave and react as if he is honest. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    10 months ago

Trump is saying right now that the US will stay IN Venezuela until they partner with the US. 

Partner about what?  

The US is now going to run a foreign country ? 

======

"We're going to run the country"

Donald Trump

Jan 3, 2026  1045 am.  cst

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    10 months ago
Partner about what?  

I would assume helping to set up the government that replaces the Maduro dictatorship. . 

We're going to run the country"

Why did you cut the quote off there? 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Junior Quiet
3.2.7  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    10 months ago

We're gonna run with their oil

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.6    10 months ago

Trump wants Venezuela's oil industry to benefit himself and his billionaire friends. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    10 months ago

We are going to run Venezuela until we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.2.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.3    10 months ago

The words "honest politicians" by definition constitute one of the biggest oxymorons in recorded history, but it is also largely a matter of degree as well. It is not confined to any one party or ideology.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.9    10 months ago

We are going to run Venezuela until we soak them for tens of billions 

=

Trump just said the US will sell Venezuela's oil to other countries.  And the profit goes to who? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.11    10 months ago

Trump just said the US will sell Venezuela's oil to other countries

That’s how the free market works. Oil exporting countries sell their oil to other countries. 

why would you want to punish the Venezuelan people who embargoing their oil?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.12    10 months ago

Trumps says WE will sell Venezuela's oil.   WE. We will take the profit. 

Why you believe anything this man says is an eternal mystery. 

His press conference today is unbelievable. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.13    10 months ago

Why you believe anything this man says is an eternal mystery. 

you are the one citing his words as sacred truth, not me.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.12    10 months ago

Let me ask you this - since the US will be selling Venezuela's oil, who decides what percentage of the proceeds goes to the US and what percent goes to Venezuela?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.14    10 months ago
you are the one citing his words as sacred truth, not me.

Trump has been speaking to the nation for the past hour.  If he is not telling the nation the truth what the fuck good is he? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
3.2.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.13    10 months ago
We will take the profit. 

Did he actually say that or have you taken to finish his sentences for him?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
3.2.18  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.16    10 months ago

His supporters don't care what he says. They accept that their Dear Leader will lie.  What they care about is having a strong man/dictatorial regime.  That's how the reactionary mind works.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.15    10 months ago

ho decides what percentage of the proceeds goes to the US and what percent goes to Venezuela?

Venezuelan oil is controlled by a state run company that has done  what state run companies always do, they've run the industry into the ground so production is a fraction of what it was under private control. Maduros cronies will have to go.  Then the  company will no doubt partner with competent foreign firms to rebuild the industry and the company should be denationalized at some point.  Getting that sorted will take time. 

I have no idea how the details will work in the short term. Neither do you or anyone else at this point.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.19    10 months ago

Trump has all but specifically said that he (the US) is going to take a large share of Venezuelas oil. (Its not our oil, its not US oil companies oil). Its the people of Venezuelas oil. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.21  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.20    10 months ago

Do you think the people of Venezuela are better off under Maduro or with a democratically elected government? Is Venezuela in a better place right now or with Maduro in power? 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
3.2.22  Gsquared  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.21    10 months ago
a democratically elected government

Trump just made Maduro's totally corrupt Vice-President the new President, and said the opposition leader who won 70% of the vote in their last election "doesn't have the respect" needed to run the country.  And yet, Trumpists propagandize that Trump is going to allow Venezuela to become some kind of democracy.  Not a chance.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.23  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.22    10 months ago

venezuela is just another prize he plans on keeping. an entire country and it's resources to exploit and develop, complete with 2nd class citizens and no pesky US laws or regulations to protect them. free to take and then market, at very reasonable prices, to proven maga loyalists wishing to escape the wholesale maga extermination in the US civil war, and wanting to live in the kingdom of trump ... /s

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.24  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.22    10 months ago
Trump just made Maduro's totally corrupt Vice-President the new President

since she's in russia, I'll assume that trump told putin and he gave that VP a heads up to be out of town ...

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.25  MrFrost  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.17    10 months ago

Did he actually say that or have you taken to finish his sentences for him?

Have you EVER known trump to NOT accept profit? No. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.26  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.25    10 months ago

He’s turned down millions in salary as president. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.27  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.26    10 months ago

LOL.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.28  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.26    10 months ago

He’s turned down millions in salary as president. 

Yes, he gave up his salary, (allegedly), but then turned around and made close to 300 million in side deals... Nice try. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.28    10 months ago
Nice try. 

Lol. You claimed he's never turned down money. He's turned down millions.

That he also made money in other ways doesn't change that. Why you think that's relevant is a question only you can answer. He could have done all those things and kept the millions in salary too. Just admit you are wrong. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.30  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.29    10 months ago

Just admit he MADE money as president. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.31  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.29    10 months ago

Trump turns down his salary so he can make dumbasses believe he is a beneficent fellow. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.32  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.30    10 months ago

That’s not what you claimed or what we are discussing,  but I’m sure he did. What president hasn’t?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.33  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.31    10 months ago

Yet he’s turned  down millions. And dumbasses   believe he would never turn down money 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.34  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.33    10 months ago

Your argument is pathetic. 

Turning down the salary is a ruse. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.35  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.31    10 months ago

Trump turns down his salary so he can make dumbasses believe he is a beneficent fellow. 

No, he turned down his salary so people like you would believe he's, "giving back".

Put it another way... I'll give you $300k if you give me 4 million. But I gave you $300k, so I gave back... Right?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.36  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.34    10 months ago

So he didn’t turn it down, or it’s a ruse. Make up your mind.

do you know how crazy it is to  argue that someone you admit gave up 3.2 million dollars in salary would never turn down money?  Words have meaning. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.37  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.35    10 months ago

No, he turned down his salary so people like you would believe he's, "giving back".

lol. He is giving back, 3,2 million  that he’s legally entitled to.  Why he does it is as irrelevant as the reasons any other people who give back do.

the fact that you admit he turned down millions in salary while still claiming he never would turn down money migh he one of the incoherent arguments this site has seen, and that is  saying something.

give you $300k if you give me 4 million. But I gave you $300k, so I gave back... Right? 

excoet for trump could just keep both which is what he would do if  there were any truth to your claim. Keep  digging your hole deeper. 

he turned down money. Millions he was entitled to.  You said he never would. You were obviously wrong. Own it,

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.38  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.37    10 months ago
He is giving back, 3,2 million

Cool, I will give you 3.2 million if you give me 300 million... Fair?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.39  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.38    10 months ago

those zero salary claims could never withstand a bullshit test, especially this late in the evening ...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.2.40  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.38    10 months ago
Cool, I will give you 3.2 million if you give me 300 million... Fair?

Trump refused his salary so that he could play his dumb fuck base like a fiddle and claim he's so generous and magnanimous which allows him to rob the treasury with impunity. They have their talking point, and he gets hundreds of millions in his pocket. He's even got them rooting for him to bilk the government out of more millions in what amount to supposed 'pain and suffering' payments from being supposedly 'wrongfully investigated'.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3.2.41  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    10 months ago

Why did you only quote PART of the statement?  Why not put the whole statement up there?  Could it be that the FULL statement doens't fit you idiotic narrative?  

At any rate, the WHOLE STATEMENT was:

“We’re going to run the country until such time as we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition ” to new leadership, Trump said at a news conference in Florida. (emphasis mine)

At least TRY to appear honest.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.42  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.28    10 months ago

Is the POTUS supposed to be making money while in office? I thought that was illegal?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
3.3  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    10 months ago
That's it meant seriously is hilarious.

LOL! 

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago
"If the United States asserts the right to use military force to invade and capture foreign leaders it accuses of criminal conduct, what prevents China from claiming the same authority over Taiwan's leadership? What stops Vladimir Putin from asserting similar justification to abduct Ukraine's president? Once this line is crossed, the rules that restrain global chaos begin to collapse, and authoritarian regimes will be the first to exploit it."
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    10 months ago

Do you imagine it's international law that stops China or Russia  from doing that?  Really?

Do you think the CCP has spent the last 80 years hesitating to invade Taiwan because it's worried about  the strength of its  legal briefs, or because of the military costs of such an action and the threats of retaliation from Taiwan's allies? 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
4.2  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @4    10 months ago
"If the United States asserts the right to use military force to invade and capture foreign leaders it accuses of criminal conduct,

Criminal conduct..or even other things we don't like...about any countries?

There are many countries in the world. (IIRC about 200!). I'm sure many are doing various things we don't like. Are we now going to take violent action vs. all the countries that are doing things we don't like?

Murdering their people...and sending Americans to die (or be seriously maimed for life) because those are doing something we don't like?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @4    10 months ago

You are proceeding under the false idea that Nicolas Maduro was in fact the legally elected leader of Venezuela, which in fact he was not as his opponent actually won the election fairly, therefore Maduro does not fall under the category you alleged. He is nothing more than a cheap thug with that bus driver mentality!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
4.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.3    10 months ago
He is nothing more than a cheap thug with that bus driver mentality!

Like Trump?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.3    10 months ago

Like Noriega, he was not the recognized head of his country and his arrest pursuant to a criminal warrant is perfectly legal.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.3.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.3.2    10 months ago

Marco Rubio said this  military action was specifically justified in order to protect US law enforcement personnel. 

At the same press conference Trump said we might hit them again.  Are the law enforcement personnel who arrested Maduro still in Venezuela ? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.3.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.3    10 months ago
military action was specifically justified in order to protect US law enforcement personnel.

Maduro was not the legal head of state. He's been under indictment in the US for years.  What Rubio said doesn't contradict that, it just provides context for why it happened now. 

the same press conference Trump said we might hit them again.  Are the law enforcement personnel who arrested Maduro still in Venezuela ? 

Why would that matter? As Obama and Biden demonstrated, the President has the power to "hit" countries without Americans being on the ground for national security reasons. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.3.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.3.4    10 months ago

Rubio SAID the military attack was to defend the safety of US law enforcement personnel.  Then Trump said that we might attack again for fun. 

What does that make Rubio's comment? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.3.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.5    10 months ago
What does that make Rubio's comment? 

Rubio's comment is true.  But Trump did not say that, nor would another attack contradict what Rubio said. If the new government puts American interests  at risk, of course it will be attacked again.   There's nothing inconsistent about that. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.3.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.3.6    10 months ago
If the new government puts American interests  at risk, of course it will be attacked again. 

We are now allowed to attack any country based on Trump's criminal regime claiming that country is putting our "interests at risk" ? 

What interests? This is insanity and y'all have lost it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.3.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.7    10 months ago

Trump has previously suggested that Greenland being what it is puts US interests at risk. So you favor attacking Greenland? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.3.9  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.3    10 months ago
bus driver mentality!

Um.... That's what I do for a living, and I might add, it pays a lot more than you think dragging homeless trump supporters around all day. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.3.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.7    10 months ago

The president has always had that power as commender in chief. 

What interests? This is insanity and y'all have lost it

How would I know why something that hasn’t happened, happened?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.3.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.8    10 months ago

So you favor attacking Greenland?   

nope.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.3.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.3.2    10 months ago

Yep.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.3.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.3.11    10 months ago

Then you are inconsistent.

President Donald Trump on Monday reiterated that the United States needed Greenland for "national security" after his appointment of a special envoy to the Danish Arctic island triggered a new spat with Copenhagen.

Since returning to the White House in January, Trump has repeatedly said the United States "needs" the resource-rich autonomous territory for security reasons and has refused to rule out using force to secure it.

Trump says US needs Greenland 'for national security'

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.3.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @4.3.9    10 months ago

I hate when people disparage somebody's job. But I reserve the right to disparage sex symbols and prostitutes

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.3.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.3.11    10 months ago

Why do I think you will be cheering trmp on when he does attack Greenland?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.3.16  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.3.15    10 months ago
Why do I think you will be cheering trmp on when he does attack Greenland?

Maybe because the MAGAites cheer on anything and everything that their Lord does. They appear to truly believe, “When the president does it, that means it’s not illegal.” and the SCOTUS conservative Justices in 2024 basically agreed. They turned on its head what the vast majority of Americans know is NOT how the constitution was meant to be read. Giving the executive unchecked power was exactly what our founders were attempting to prevent, but rightwing religious conservatives have shit on our nation and constitution in order to give themselves more power. Of course, when the next Democrat President is in office, they'll change their tune and proclaim anything a Democrat President wants to do is automatically illegal regardless of how many Americans voted for them. It's what they do. We should stop expecting any rational actions from rightwing religious conservatives, that would be like expecting the snake not to bite us. Lying, cheating, stealing, no moral depravity is too low for the religious conservative LARPER's who pray every day that their God comes and wipes out everyone that doesn't treat white conservative Christians as their masters.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5  devangelical    10 months ago

meh, shit like this happens when some very wealthy and powerful males are caught with their dicks in children ...

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
5.1  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @5    10 months ago
meh, shit like this happens when some very wealthy and powerful males are caught with their dicks in children

WTF?

Certainly no decent human being would do anything like that!!!

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
6  freepress    10 months ago

The "War Monger" president who begged for the peace prize. FIFA should revoke their fake "peace prize".

Unbelievable that MAGA thought for a single second that Trump was for peace, when he was openly embracing and bragging about every dictator in the world. 

Now America is the war monger, the aggressor, the invader, all for Trump's vanity and oil. 

Good luck MAGA because it will be Trump, not Hillary, not Biden, not Kamala, that will institute the draft. Greenland is next!.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  freepress @6    10 months ago
d that Trump was for peace, when he was openly embracing and bragging about every dictator in the world.

I guess now he gets to embrace Maduro in person, huh?

Bizarre to claim he's embracing dictators hours after he overthrew one and threatened another. But progressive narratives aren't really related to reality. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    10 months ago
I guess now he gets to embrace Maduro in person, huh?

He should be in prison WITH Maduro. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.2  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.1    10 months ago

... blowing maduro.

 
 
 
Dig
Professor Participates
6.2  Dig  replied to  freepress @6    10 months ago
Unbelievable that MAGA thought for a single second that Trump was for peace, when he was openly embracing and bragging about every dictator in the world. 

Especially after calling Putin's invasion of Ukraine "genius" in 2022.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Junior Quiet
6.2.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Dig @6.2    10 months ago
Especially after calling Putin's invasion of Ukraine "genius" in 2022

Or when in Helsinki, after a side one on one with Putin, decided to believe Putin over our intelligence assessments, cause Putin place is what he helped do for Trumpy he did 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Junior Quiet
7  Igknorantzruls    10 months ago

Wag the dog grab the oil Putin type push to imitate his strong arm heros while destroying trust amongst our allies and the entire world. 

Any Trump defenders want to explain how it was no big deal to vote for this sick orange fck again ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

Maduro is being charged with cocaine smuggling. Trump says each bombed boat had enough drugs on it to kill 25,000 Americans. 

Cocaine itself does not kill anywhere near that many people. According to Trump he has saved 750,000 American lives through the boat bombings. 

DRUG TYPE* (ESTIMATED DEATHS 2024) (ESTIMATED DEATHS 2023)
Cocaine 22,174 30,833

U.S. Overdose Deaths Decrease Almost 27% in 2024 | NCHS Pressroom | CDC

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @8    10 months ago

Where's his evidence that those boats carried cocaine?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
9  Right Down the Center    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @9    10 months ago
It's all about the oil…
From
Home of the Brave
Quote
The Bulwark
@BulwarkOnline
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Hegseth: "Trump is deadly serious about…getting back the oil that was stolen from us."
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @9    10 months ago

How long before Trump says Venezuela owes the US half its oil because he got rid of Maduro ?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
9.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    10 months ago

I am sure you will let us know when and if he does so I will wait.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
9.2.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    10 months ago

The United States is the world's largest producer of oil, consistently leading global output for several years, followed by Saudi Arabia and Russia, which often trade the second and third spots, though figures vary slightly by source and year. The U.S. production surge is largely due to advancements in tight oil (shale) extraction, significantly increasing its share of the world's total oil supply.

Why do we need their oil then?????

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.2    10 months ago

We could always use it to restock our Strategic Petroleum Reserves that Joe Biden frittered away./s

 
 
 
Gazoo
Masters Silent
9.2.4  Gazoo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.2.3    10 months ago

Frittered away before the midterms to bring the price of gas down. That’s not even close to what the SPR was meant for. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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9.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Gazoo @9.2.4    10 months ago

Exactly!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.2    10 months ago

Why do we need their oil then?????

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.2.3    10 months ago

Like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama before him?

Sounds like good company, not a solid condemnation at all.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.3  Tacos!  replied to  Right Down the Center @9    10 months ago

His first trick was taking a dump on the Constitution.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @9    10 months ago

So, if I defend the laws of the United States, the laws that say drug dealers should be arrested, charged and convicted if found guilty by a jury of their peers when they commit crimes and they should serve their sentence in accordance with our laws, then I'm 'defending drug dealers'? If I defend the laws of the United States that say only congress can declare war, am I defending 'drug lords'? Only in the minds of MAGAites is defending our laws and the constitution now somehow treasonous or anti-American.

The MAGAverse is now so far from what it is to be a true patriotic American it is all but unrecognizable. I would use the words of U.S. Army attorney Joseph Welch, "At long last, have you left no sense of decency, sir?", if I thought any of them actually had a shred of decency left among them, but they clearly do not. They have abandoned our American ideals in favor of expedient power to try and enforce their ridiculous fantasy white Christian culture on the rest of society and for them, the ends justify the means. They have no low they will not sink to, no law they will not break in their quest for rightwing white conservative Christian dominance.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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10  Gsquared    10 months ago

Is Trump putting Maduro in the same prison where he's keeping Honduran ex-President/Drug Lord Hernandez?  They could share a cell... Oh, wait...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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10.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Gsquared @10    10 months ago

I guess Maduro shouldn’t be too worried, since we all know how hard DJT is on prolific drug kingpins.  As long as Maduro doesn’t have pee tapes or wasn’t running a pedophile pimping operation with DJT he should be fine.

 
 
 
devangelical
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10.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @10.1    10 months ago

trump is going to torture maduro by making him listen to the stolen election conspiracy theories for hours and then make him sign a confession about venezuela hacking the election machine software when fat don lost in 2020 ... 

all maduro has to do is tell trump how great he is, agree to everything trump wants, hand him a pile of cash and some beachfront property for the new trump resort, condos, and golf course, and *poof*, it's pardon time ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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10.2  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @10    10 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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11  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

“Trump talks tough on Venezuela, but admires thugs and dictators like Nicolas Maduro,” Biden said. “As President, I will stand with the Venezuelan people and for democracy.”   

Watching democrats just pivot from talking point to talking point without a principle in the world. Now they stand with Maduro,,,

 
 
 
Gazoo
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11.1  Gazoo  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    10 months ago

The only thing biden did for the venezuelan people was to allow thousands of tda gang bangers to leave venezuela and enter the US.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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12  Gsquared    10 months ago

Did Trump reveal his new name for Venezuela yet?  Trumpezuela has a nice ring to it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @12    10 months ago

lots of choices ...

  • trumplandia
  • magastan
  • 4th reich
  • trumpmerica
  • maga shithole #1
 
 
 
Dig
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12.1.1  Dig  replied to  devangelical @12.1    10 months ago

The Donald J. Trump Imperial Colony of Venezuela.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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12.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dig @12.1.1    10 months ago

The Donald J. Trump, Very Big, Enormous Even, Colony of Peniszuela...

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Dig @12.1.1    10 months ago

Reino de las Agresoras Infantiles ...

kingdom of child molesters

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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13  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

what democrats are thinking….

Even if we sold all of that oil at 1/4 the price we would gain $4 trillion which is enough to open 4 more daycare centers in Minneapolis

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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13.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @13    10 months ago
what democrats are thinking….

That maybe putting our young men in women in harm's way in order to steal $4 trillion in oil from a foreign country might be abandoning the western democracy values America has been at least publicly supporting for the last century. That actions like this do our nation more harm than good and jeopardize or at least strain our relationships with many global partners. But hey, no one has ever accused rightwing conservatives of being moral or intelligent so it's no wonder they seem gleeful in their support for such action.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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14  1stwarrior    10 months ago

The United States is the world's largest producer of oil, consistently leading global output for several years, followed by Saudi Arabia and Russia, which often trade the second and third spots, though figures vary slightly by source and year. The U.S. production surge is largely due to advancements in tight oil (shale) extraction, significantly increasing its share of the world's total oil supply.

Why do we need their oil????

 
 
 
TᵢG
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14.1  TᵢG  replied to  1stwarrior @14    10 months ago

Because many of our refineries are optimized for heavy, sour crude like that from Venezuela.   We have been gradually modifying our refineries to better handle domestic light, sweet crude but many refineries are more cost effective with sour crude and that often comes from imports.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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14.2  MrFrost  replied to  1stwarrior @14    10 months ago

Why do we need their oil????

Do you seriously think trump would turn down an opportunity to put some money is his own pocket? Really?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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14.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  1stwarrior @14    10 months ago

A thief has a car.  Why does he steal someone else’s car?  This isn’t rocket science.  Just stop trying to couch Trump as anything other than who he is - a fucking lowlife commander in thief.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
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15.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @15    10 months ago

Maduro’s Fall Turns Long-Shot Polymarket Bets Into Overnight Wins

A U.S. military operation removed Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro from power early Jan. 3, 2026, abruptly resolving a series of high-profile Polymarket   prediction markets   that had been tracking his potential exit for months. Within hours of the announcement, contracts tied to Maduro’s removal closed at full value, triggering large payouts for traders who had wagered on an outcome most had viewed as unlikely just days earlier.

Maduro’s Fall Turns Long-Shot Polymarket Bets Into Overnight Wins – Bitcoin News

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Completely on the up and up

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JohnRussell
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16  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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17  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

So between this and the Iran mission, Pete Hegseth has got to be the most successful  Defense (War) Secretary we've had in decades. Reverses the stink of the Afghan withdrawal. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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17.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @17    10 months ago
Defense (War) Secretary

No this totally proves trumpy deserves a peace prize LOL

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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17.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @17    10 months ago

Anybody besides me would like to see how Kegsbreath would have handled the Afghan withdrawal?

 
 
 
devangelical
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17.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @17.2    10 months ago

I had a lot of other creative things in mind for him, with a military theme ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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18  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

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Ozzwald
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26  Ozzwald    10 months ago
Headfirst Into War

Maybe we're all looking at this the wrong way.... 

Perhaps this isn't Trump's plan, perhaps it is his high lord and master Putin's plan.  Get the US involved in 1 or more other wars, pull our allies into these pissant wars, and we won't be able to afford to help Ukraine.

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