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What is "Pro-Science?"

What is "Pro-Science?"


By: Gordy327  •  222 comments  •  34 minutes ago
There have been times where I have been labeled, either explicitly or implicitly, as "pro-science" and often meant more in a derogatory tone. That always strikes me as odd, when someone is labeled pro-science in a negative manner. This tells me that those who use the term pejoratively  either do not understand or accept sound science. To some, science seems to be something to be shunned or...
Jan 27 5:46pm @13.2.59 "..." That is a generality and doesn't work for this discussion. What an individual means when they are pro or anti-science is individually specific.  "..." I suspect it may be more than a...
Jan 27 5:08pm @13.2.57 "..." Maybe, but no one said the world is fair. Further, no one made that posit directly, but certainly indirectly. That's more or less what this debate is about, in my opinion. When someone...
Jan 27 3:56pm @13.2.49 "..." If I understand what Nerm is saying, his point is essentially, not that science takes sides but an individual saying they are pro-science would mean they are anti-something else, inducing...
Jan 27 3:48pm @13.2.48 "..." Granted, but I took the question at face value, and thus, valid in that sense. I thought it a good opportunity to display one way in which some, whether they realize it or not, look at...
Jan 27 10:56am @13.2.34 "..." Actually, it isn't anything like that and the question is quite valid. For Christians, God is the answer to the world's problems. If we accept Jesus as our savior and follow him, one day...
Jan 27 10:44am @13.2.33 "..." I'm sorry, but you do not have sole power in deciding what those terms mean. Further, it wasn't as clear as you think. For instance... "..." That's not very exact.  To favor something...
Jan 26 10:35am @15.1.17 "..." That's a good point about headlines. And not just with science, either. It seems to me that the news media is doing it's best to make people neurotic or something. Like they're deliberately...
Jan 25 8:02pm @13.2.21 "..." One needs to keep in mind that pro-science and anti-science may not mean the same thing to everyone. What you might consider as anti-science or pro-science may not seem so to another. For...
Jan 23 8:25pm @13.2.12 "..." Actually, I would simply agree and move on, given the lack of context. Since what I said was in response to... "..." … we see that, given the context, I was agreeing with what Nerm_L...
Jan 23 8:07pm @15.3.18 "..." I think you're simply describing what it would take for you to believe in God, or something like that.  "..." Okay, then. See you around. 
Jan 23 7:58pm @13.2.10 "..." Why should I answer for something I didn't do or say? 
Jan 23 7:40pm @13.2.8 "..." Since it isn't my notion or relates to anything I said, but one you seem to be attributing to me, I can't really answer your question.  "..." To point out the limitation of science...
Jan 23 7:31pm @15.3.16 "..." Why?  "..." Unless the person doing the contemplating has been told that God created the universe. That person looks at the universe and thinks, "It certainly does seem to be fine tuned...
Jan 23 7:09pm @13.2.6 "..." I don't know. Why don't you tell us since you seem to be claiming it comes from somewhere?
Jan 23 7:06pm @15.3.13 "..." There is no necessary order to come to a belief in God. One doesn't have to contemplate the likelihood of God existing before tackling the fine tuning argument. One who is contemplating...
Jan 23 6:51pm @13.2.4 "..." Why does it have to come from anything? It's self evident, wouldn't you agree? 
Jan 23 6:06pm @15.3.10 "..." I disagree, which pretty much proves my point about people not arriving at the same conclusion from the data. Point being, what someone considers evidence will often be subjective or will...
Jan 23 5:04pm @15.3.7 "..." That is correct. In fact, there is plenty of evidence. The problem is often in how the evidence is interpreted. Take the fine tuning argument. The data is there for anyone to examine but...
Jan 23 4:57pm @15.1.5 "..." LOL. Yeah, I feel you. This is why I don't pay a lot of attention anymore about what food is good for you and what isn't. Seems like it's constantly changing back and forth. I mean, yeah,...
Jan 23 4:50pm @13.2.2 "..." That would be my opinion, yes. Especially with terms like pro-science and anti-science.  "..." So it seems. I believe it is intentionally propagated in an effort to mislead the...
Jan 22 11:41pm @13.2 "..." True. What's more, terms like pro-science and anti-science aren't very useful in describing what's actually being talked about most of the time. It would be more accurate to speak in terms...
Christian Nationalists Are Drafting Legislation for State Republicans: Report

Christian Nationalists Are Drafting Legislation for State Republicans: Report


Via: Larry Hampton  •  51 comments  •  59 minutes ago
Jan 26 7:44pm @10.1 I think you're right. It's a trigger for a lot of people though, one often put out to get a react-before-thinking effect. The Christians are coming to get you!!!
Weirdest thing ever!

Weirdest thing ever!


Via: Drakkonis  •  19 comments  •  3 days ago
Quantum science is beyond strange. I'm not sure how to think about it, let alone what to think about it. Not much wonder in why Einstein hated the idea. 
Jan 24 6:04pm @5.1.1 "..." That's an understatement for sure. It's difficult to even come up with a place to begin thinking about the implications. Makes one wonder if "quantum reality" isn't an oxymoron. 
Jan 24 2:32am @4.1.1 The atom pictured above does look suspiciously like a golf ball, doesn't it? 
Jan 24 1:06am @4 Something that bothers me about the notion that observation creates what we observe. If that is so, what about the dust speck that just impacted on the ISS? Unlikely that anyone was observing it. 
Jan 24 12:37am @2.1.2 "..." Not quite the way I look at it, speaking for myself. For me, it is appreciation of God's works. Something to marvel about and praise Him for. It's why I like science. Who doesn't like to be...
Jan 23 11:53pm @1.1 Some interesting quotes from notable people on the subject.  https://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/quantum-physics.html
Jan 23 11:36pm @1 This makes my head hurt : )
Women rarely regret decision to get abortion

Women rarely regret decision to get abortion


Via: Tessylo  •  184 comments  •  4 days ago
Reuters Women rarely regret decision to get abortion By Lisa Rapaport January 20, 2020, 2:17 PM EST Study suggests women rarely regret decision to get abortion By Lisa Rapaport (Reuters Health) - Five years after an abortion, most women still say it was the right decision even if...
Jan 22 10:46pm @1.2.19 "..." The seeded article.
Jan 22 7:17pm @1.2.17 Nice talking to you : )
Jan 22 7:15pm @1.2.16 "..." No, not necessarily. However, what I was trying to emphasize was that I doubt a single week is enough time to process an event so impactful to female identity.  "..." I'm not certain,...
Jan 22 6:00pm @1.2.14 "..." Don't you think that hurts your credibility or, at least your objectivity? Dismissing something simply because it doesn't support your point of view? That makes you seem like someone less...
Jan 21 10:59pm @1.2.6 "..." Presumably, you are referring to... "..." Actually, this is about what I would expect. I doubt that most women would find the decision to abort a child a trivial decision. If that is...
Jan 21 7:22pm @1.2.4 Yes, I noticed some of what you mention. That is, some of the conclusions, or guesses maybe, the NR made were not supported as to why women either didn't participate or if they had, did not follow...
Jan 21 5:44pm @1.2.2 I don't know I trust either one, yours or mine. I just think it's important to hear opposing positions in order to mitigate confirmation bias as much as possible.  My personal feeling is that I...
Jan 21 5:11pm @1.2 According to an article in the National Review, the study you are referring to here is a part of the Turnaway study. Apparently it is misleading in it's conclusions, according to the article. For...
Historians of Christian nationalism are alarmed by its appearance in American pulpits

Historians of Christian nationalism are alarmed by its appearance in American pulpits


Via: Larry Hampton  •  39 comments  •  6 days ago
Jan 21 7:57pm @6.1.6 "..." It isn't as simple as that. When you speak about the "church" you have to take into account that, considering the time period, we aren't necessarily talking about Christianity. In some ways...
Jan 19 11:18pm @5 I can't say that Christian Nationalism is the problem the author of these articles presents it to be but  I can't say that it is not, either. I can say that I cannot remember attending any church...
In defense of Christian nationalism

In defense of Christian nationalism


Via: Donald J. Trump fan 1  •  25 comments  •  one week ago
America was founded by a Christian people who created a secular government based on Christian principles and a belief in a creator God who authored our human rights.  
Jan 19 11:28pm @6 HA, I think you should reconsider about Christian Nationalism. Jesus did not task us with creating political structures. He tasked us with bringing the Good News to everyone. Christian Nationalism...
‘Unholy collusion’

‘Unholy collusion’


Via: Larry Hampton  •  240 comments  •  one week ago
Jan 18 10:13pm @6.8.56 "..." I do not think government should be a theocracy. It rests solely on the idea that humans do not have the right to claim who and who isn't human. I'm pretty sure I would feel this way even...
Jan 18 9:20pm @6.8.48 "..." He doesn't. Why? Are you going to make the argument that because he doesn't specifically address it then it must be okay? Like, mom told me not to have any cookies before dinner so my...
Jan 18 9:15pm @6.8.47 "..." Knew someone was going to say this. Would have been disappointed if no one had.  Yes, the Bible is full of words on paper. As to whether men thought it up or it comes from God one has to...
Jan 18 7:56pm @6.8.42 "..." According to what or who? 
Jan 18 7:54pm @6.8.41 "..." I disagree. You can put words on a piece of paper to your heart's content but that doesn't make it right or wrong. That is, you can say the constitution says this or that and you may be...
Jan 18 7:50pm @6.8.40 "..." I disagree. 
Jan 18 6:39pm @6.8.34 "..." Generally, I agree. For instance, I abstained from voting when legalized same sex "marriage" came up in my state. Although I believe such "marriages" are against God's will and not really...
Jan 18 6:23pm @6.8.32 "..." Because we believe in God, and therefore, in the day of judgement, where every soul will give an accounting for what they have said and done. That another may not believe this doesn't...
Jan 18 5:05pm @6.8.27 Thank you. I appreciate your help. 
Jan 18 5:01pm @6.8.25 what is a private note and how do I go about it?
Jan 18 4:41pm @6.8.21 Is there a way to speak privately to someone in this environment? 
Jan 18 3:15am @6.8.13 "..." I find it disheartening that you hold this view. Abortion is the evil we believe it to be. Have you ever heard of the practice of exposure? It's the old world form of abortion. Had a girl...
Jan 18 2:46am @6.3.27 "..." No, actually, you haven't. You've just taken some scripture you found and warped it until it fits what you want it to. Good luck finding a Christian that agrees with your interpretation....
Jan 18 2:18am @6.3.25 "..." Um, not sure where to go from here. I mean, this whole thing rests on marital unfaithfulness, not abortion. It's pretty self evident. So, presumably, if you think this is Biblical license...
Jan 18 1:48am @6.3.22 And you think this means the Bible condones abortions???
Jan 18 1:23am @6.8.10 I think you need to figure out who you work for as a Christian, CB. The correct answer is that Jesus would not support abortion on demand. He created each one of us. Do you think he doesn't mind it...
Jan 18 1:05am @6.3.20 Uh, thanks? Where's the abortion part???
Jan 17 4:37pm @6.3.15 "..." I'm afraid I don't see where you think I made such a claim. 
Jan 17 4:29pm @6.3.13 "..." Because it is irrelevant to the conversation as this example had to do with infidelity, not abortion. And even if it were relevant we see that God Himself is the one who judges, not the...
Jan 17 4:20pm @6.3.10 "..." Because God called me to follow Him. In order to do that I have to know who He is and what he wants.  "..." Did not say it was. However, I did ask lady in black to provide Biblical...
Jan 17 4:10pm @6.3.9 "..." You asked me what the "Christian View" was. I did so. Apparently you don't disagree because you are attempting to change the subject.
Jan 17 4:05pm @6.8.6 "..." Whom do you follow, CB? Jesus or the state? Do you honestly think Jesus would support abortion? 
Jan 17 3:01pm @6.3.6 "..." Here is what the Christian view should be.  "..." God obviously sees unborn children as people. I find it difficult to understand how anyone claiming to follow Christ, which is what...
Jan 17 2:23pm @6.8.1 "..." If you're going to make an argument for Christian principles allowing for a woman's right to choose, why are you trying to prove your case with secular sources? Why not show me, Biblically,...
Jan 17 2:13pm @6.3.5 Is that your argument? That God or the Bible doesn't specifically forbid abortions?  
Jan 17 3:34am @6.4.1 "..." No, what I said was, when presented with two bad choices one should choose the lesser evil. 
Jan 17 3:31am @6.3.1 "..." Okay. Please present your argument how God or the Bible supports "right to choose". Present a Biblical justification for it. 
Jan 16 5:48pm @6.1.8 "..." While I generally agree with your statement I'm not sure who the "you" refers to in your statement. Are you referring to the candidate or the person deciding whom to vote for?  If you mean...
Jan 16 3:26am @6.2.1 "..." Not really comparable to what is happening now. In Israel's case, we know without doubt who God intended to be King in Israel. Himself. What was so bad about what the Israelites did was,...
Jan 15 10:02pm @6.1.1 "..." Why?
Jan 15 8:43pm @6 I think this article misrepresents the dilemma Christians face concerning Trump. It puts the dilemma in terms of personal worthiness of Trump, the man, for the position of President. How, the...
Bloomberg blasts Sanders' 'outrageous' claim that Soleimani strike was an 'assassination'

Bloomberg blasts Sanders' 'outrageous' claim that Soleimani strike was an 'assassination'


Via: KDMichigan  •  166 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg balked at fellow 2020 candidate and Sen. Bernie Sanders' suggestion that President Trump carried out an "assassination" when he ordered a lethal strike on Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani. When asked about the descriptor, Bloomberg said: "If he was talking about killing the general ... this is a guy who had an awful amount of American blood on his...
Jan 07 12:20am @4.3.11 So, I'm having a hard time trying to see where I mischaracterized your position. Seems what I said captured your objection perfectly. I think what you're upset about is my position concerning what...
Jan 06 3:36pm @4.3.8 "..." Um, yeah. Okay, then, what did you mean by stating that we aren't at war with Iran? What I'm getting from you is that because we aren't in an officially declared war with Iran we...
Jan 05 8:02pm @4.3.2 "..." That's a technicality. Fact is that this guy is responsible for the deaths of thousands beyond the hundreds of US deaths. He was doing that without a (official) declaration of war. Why...
Jan 05 6:54pm @4.3 "..." Don't think I can agree with you on this. Soleimani was a soldier engaged in hostilities against the US and our allies. If you consider this an assassination then you must feel shooting...
Whatever happens with Iran, I’m confident Donald Trump can get us through it

Whatever happens with Iran, I’m confident Donald Trump can get us through it


Via: JohnRussell  •  10 comments  •  3 weeks ago
  WASHINGTON POST › Whatever happens with Iran, I’m confident Donald Trump can get us through it JANUARY 03, 2020 (Andrew Harnik/AP) Don’t worry! You or I may not know what the fallout will be  from the drone strike  that killed Iranian general  Qasem Soleimani . We may be a little unnerved by Iran’s vows of revenge. We may, naively, fear for the...
Jan 04 12:38am @3.2 Neville Chamberlain? 
Trump's perilous delusions about Tehran

Trump's perilous delusions about Tehran


Via: JohnRussell  •  21 comments  •  3 weeks ago
Trump's perilous delusions about Tehran David   Faris The United States   brazenly assassinated   Iran's most senior security and intelligence official, Qassem Soleimani, in Baghdad on Thursday, in a dangerous and wildly illegal act of...
Jan 03 8:56pm @3.2.6 "..." I don't understand your point of view. It is as if you can't see that, because of Iran's actions, there has already been tremendous loss of life. Is that supposed to be ignored? How long to...
Jan 03 7:01pm @3.2.2 "..." The Quds have been on the terrorist list since 2007, of which Soleimani was the head. Are you suggesting that the Quds were put on the terrorist list so that, 12 years later, Trump could...
Baghdad Rocket Attack kills Iranian MIlitary Leaders including Gen Qassim Soleimani, reports say

Baghdad Rocket Attack kills Iranian MIlitary Leaders including Gen Qassim Soleimani, reports say


Via: Donald J. Trump fan 1  •  115 comments  •  3 weeks ago
All thanks to our President for being involved in and approving this attack against top Iranian terrorist leadership.  The man responsible for the killing of hundreds of Americans is now dead.  
Jan 03 10:53am @6.6 "..." I was in Iraq. Can't speak for those there now, but I can tell you I feel pretty good about what President Trump did. If I were there now I'd feel pretty encouraged that the guy who had...