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The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 7: The Virgin Birth

The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 7: The Virgin Birth


By: Gordy327  •  187 comments  •  7 hours ago
Up until now, I've have been focusing on the biblical stories of the Old Testament. For part 7 of the series, I will look at what is one of the most famous and celebrated stories of the New Testament, The Virgin Birth. After all, it does have its own national holiday. Never mind the actual origins of said holiday, as that is a separate discussion all its own. But it seemed God needed a...
Sep 19 12:27am @5.3.6 "..." In order for this statement to stand, what the Bible says about Jesus would have to be entirely fictional from beginning to end. If the idea is that the narrative was invented to fit that...
Sep 18 10:14pm @5.3.4 "..." I agree that incorrect translations lead to incorrect conclusions. However, your treatment of the issue is a little superficial, no disrespect intended. We are both getting our information...
Sep 18 8:31pm @3.3.72 [deleted]
Sep 18 7:26pm @3.3.70 "..." Not at all. The first half of your paragraph contradicts the second half. How is that supposed to be clear?  "..." Where did you explain that it was possible for the virgin birth story...
Sep 18 5:50pm @3.3.68 "..." Nope! This is your article. We're here to discuss it's merits, not my beliefs. Sorry. 
Sep 18 5:45pm @5.3.2 "..." It is irrelevant what the bias of the source is. The relevant point is that your speculation of "Did the author of Matthew mistranslate, or were his words mistranslated from Hebrew to...
Sep 18 5:29pm @3.3.67 "..." You were saying???
Sep 18 5:26pm @3.3.66 "..." There is no confusion on my part. I responded to your article as written. Now it seems that in order to avoid the points both Tacos! and I made you wish to claim that what you said is not...
Sep 18 4:43pm @3.3.64 "..." I can and do acknowledge that Gordy answered those questions. I can and do acknowledge that Gordy's "clarifications" reflect is actual position. But that still doesn't change what he wrote....
Sep 18 3:14pm @3.3.62 "..." For  the simple reason you can't make the clarification mean what was actually said. How hard is that to understand? The "clarification" is actually another position altogether. There is a...
Sep 18 1:47pm @3.3.56 "..." Horseshit, TiG. You and Gordy are the ones operating that way. You are arguing that it literally doesn't matter what one writes, it's only the clarifications that come later that matter....
Sep 18 4:24am @3.3.47 "..." Also, if this is so, to whom else does the Oxford dictionary refer to in it's definition?  "..." Who is the user? That is, who is using the "mysterious or supernatural forces"? What...
Sep 18 3:02am @3.3.46 "..." No. What I stated is what I see as the difference between magic and miracles. You and Gordy can consider it whatever you want it to be, obviously. 
Sep 18 3:00am @3.3.45 "..." No, what you did was quote Gordy backtracking what he actually said and trying to make it sound like he said something completely different, calling it a clarification. This isn't a gotcha...
Sep 18 2:08am @3.3.43 Last, but not least, and not in any way related to this, this has to be one of the coolest things I've ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4hn1ahef4w
Sep 18 2:04am @3.3.41 Also, as an aside, I have read a lot of fantasy/science fiction. Generally, magic is presented as some sort of force that arcane knowledge or innate ability allows the wielder to practice. This...
Sep 18 1:44am @3.3.40 "..." Why would you object to deeming a miracle to be magic?    A miracle is, by its very nature, an unexplained phenomenon.   Magic, per Oxford is defined as: "..." Simple enough to...
Sep 18 1:38am @3.3.39 And there we go. Thanks for proving my point. This is completely pointless. As expected, you defend Gordy by claiming what he said doesn't really mean what he said. It means something else, which...
Sep 18 12:12am @5.3 "..." Good point. However, one important thing you may not know to consider is, how did the people to whom these things were written understand it? The Jews of that time definitely expected a...
Sep 17 11:47pm @3.3.36 "..." You begin with saying you try to keep an open mind, but then immediately refute that claim. In saying... "..." ... you are saying that, left to nature, it just doesn't happen. But you...
Sep 17 11:25pm @3.3.35 "..." Okay. "..." Yes, I know this. I've been doing this for several years now. If I offer rebuttals, as Tacos has gamely done, all I will get is what Tacos has gotten.  "..." Um, no....
Sep 17 8:02am @3.3 "..." And therein lies your problem. Totally applaud your effort but you're speaking with people for whom the highest authority imaginable is the natural world as viewed through the lens of...
An ICE Nurse Revealed That A Georgia Detention Center Is Performing Mass Hysterectomies

An ICE Nurse Revealed That A Georgia Detention Center Is Performing Mass Hysterectomies


Via: Trout Giggles  •  81 comments  •  yesterday
Sep 17 11:50pm @1.3.30 "..." As am I. 
Sep 17 11:49pm @1.3.29 I will take that to mean it does not, in fact, address the question.
Sep 16 10:37pm @1.3.25 "..." This should have read... "..."
Sep 16 10:34pm @1.3.24 "..." You seem to be waiting for expected behavior that doesn't appear to be happening much, if at all. First it was... "..." I asked if  you have any examples of staunchly anti-abortion...
Sep 16 10:19pm @1.3.23 "..." How does this answer my question of "Do you have any examples of staunchly anti-abortion people justifying this accusation?" from 1.3.7 ?
Sep 16 10:17pm @1.3.22 "..." Um,  not only can I not find any connection between "the Floyd guy" (I assume you mean George Floyd) and the DHS, other than an article about possible openings for domestic terrorists, I...
Sep 15 8:47pm @1.3.11 "..." I think you may have meant "prerogative". 
Sep 15 7:56pm @1.3.9 "..." I think I'll wait for a more serious response, thanks. 
Sep 15 7:09pm @1.3.7 "..." Do you have any examples of staunchly anti-abortion people justifying this accusation? 
Trump is less trusted than Putin and Xi and the US is hitting historic lows of approval from its closest allies

Trump is less trusted than Putin and Xi and the US is hitting historic lows of approval from its closest allies


Via: Buzz of the Orient  •  35 comments  •  yesterday
Sep 16 10:58pm @1.2 "..." Actually, I'm a bit surprised. I mean, I get why they don't trust Trump, but Trump isn't plundering or trying to take over the world. Personally, Xi scares the crap out of me. Right now...
The G.O.P. Plot to Sabotage 2021

The G.O.P. Plot to Sabotage 2021


Via: Bob Nelson  •  61 comments  •  13 hours ago
Louis XIV was the most powerful monarch in Europe. He bankrupted France getting there - his excesses led directly to the Revolution. He is famously known to have said: "L'étât, c'est moi!" ("I am the state!") and  "Après moi le déluge!" ("When I'm gone, the flood can come!")
Sep 15 7:31pm @4 "..." Oh, man! That's rich! That's really rich! Like non-stop policy sabotage is not already just business as usual and has been for some time. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Chinese virologist says she has proof COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab

Chinese virologist says she has proof COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab


Via: Nerm_L  •  202 comments  •  14 hours ago
Of course, Dr. Yan isn't a reliable source because she isn't anonymous.  And Dr. Yan's research and information hasn't been peer reviewed.  And a trusted member of the Chinese science community who directs the Wuhan Institute of Virology has denied everything.
Sep 14 7:39pm @4.1.40 "..." Well, yes, it's axiomatic that anyone who'd question China must be a Trump supporter. I mean, certainly all the crap that China has done, up to this very moment, should not be considered...
Sep 14 4:12pm @4.1.37 "..." I have no problem with that. I just find it surprising in this case. China is driving hard to become the No.1 superpower in the world and it's pretty obvious they will use any means, legal...
Sep 14 1:41pm @4.1.35 "..." No, I don't have a link. But, then again, I asked if you really needed one. Apparently you do. Usually I would as well, but that isn't the case with China. Based on China's history...
Sep 14 4:27am @4.1.33 "..." Do you really need one? Honestly? Do you think China isn't doing whatever it can to help Biden? I know for damn sure that we would do all we could to influence China's elections, if they...
Sep 14 4:10am @4.1.32 "..." [Deleted] In fact, I think that your objection to my comment means that I'm on the right track, so, thank you.  In other news, one only has to observe past and present actions engendered...
Sep 13 10:06pm @4.1.12 "..." I definitely believe they would if they could. 
Sep 13 10:05pm @4.1.11 "..." Consider China. Persecution of the religious. Actively engaged in the extermination of Uighurs and/or their culture. Elimination of democracy in Hong Kong. Militarizing the South China Sea...
Sep 13 3:25pm @4.1.8 "..." China would obviously do something like that if they could but do they have the tech to actually do it? If so, their nukes are the least of our concerns. 
'Transsexual Satanist anarchist' whose slogan is 'f*** the police' wins GOP nomination for New Hampshire county sheriff

'Transsexual Satanist anarchist' whose slogan is 'f*** the police' wins GOP nomination for New Hampshire county sheriff


Via: JohnRussell  •  34 comments  •  5 days ago
Sep 14 4:14pm @8.2.1 "..." What do you think the solution might be, then? 
Sep 13 6:58pm @8.1.7 "..." That might be a part of the solution. We need to recognize English as the national language. Good idea, devangelical. 
Sep 13 3:45pm @8 "..." It isn't that the system is broken, as DiMezzo claims. It is that they voted simply for the identifier "Republican" on the ballot. That really isn't something that can be easily fixed. You...
What kind of home do you live in / what kind of area [city, country, urban...]?

What kind of home do you live in / what kind of area [city, country, urban...]?


By: MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  •  91 comments  •  2 days ago
I live in a suburban town just south of Detroit called Wyandotte. Neighbors homes are near mine, but we're a close neighborhood. We all know each others names and help each other when needed. The type of home I live in is what one might consider a farm style house; it was built in 1906. We've put $65,000 into it to make it our own and to make it warmer, more efficient, and more comfortable....
Sep 14 2:36pm @1.5 It's very nice, MsAubrey.  I bought the worst house I could find in the best neighborhood I could afford. Renovated it myself, like you did. It was probably one of the best moves I've made. I'm...
The War on Police and the 2020 Election.

The War on Police and the 2020 Election.


By: Vic Eldred  •  43 comments  •  4 days ago  •  LOCKED
A $100,000 reward has been issued for information leading to the arrest and conviction of a gunman who shot two deputies multiple times in an ambush Saturday night in Los Angeles CA. The LA Deputies were shot while sitting in their parked patrol vehicle near the Compton station of the Metro A Line in Los Angeles. The gunman walked past the passenger side of the car shortly before 7 p.m....
Sep 14 2:31pm @2.1.8 "..." That's kind of an odd accusation for you to level, isn't it? I mean, isn't it the Dems and the Left that are always going on about how dystopian the country is under Trump? A fascist and...
Sep 14 2:23pm @1.1 "..." I hope they make full recoveries. 
A major American city may soon allow 16-year-olds to vote — and others could follow suit

A major American city may soon allow 16-year-olds to vote — and others could follow suit


Via: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  36 comments  •  5 days ago
Sep 14 1:43pm @3.1.10 "..." Yes, I would agree. 
Sep 14 4:23am @3.1.5 "..." Possible, I suppose, but unlikely. I think too many on the Right, and rightly so, would object to keeping Trump in office if he legitimately lost. Just the way we are. But, really, the...
Sep 13 3:52pm @3.1.3 "..." I happen to agree with you. Plus, the public education system is a Democratic animal. It pumps out a large amount of functional idiots, by design, who have been indoctrinated into the...
The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 6: The Day the Sun Stood Still

The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 6: The Day the Sun Stood Still


By: Gordy327  •  53 comments  •  2 days ago
Welcome to Part 6 of the fallacy of biblical stories series. This one will focus on a supposed celestial event described in the bible. Namely, the time God caused the sun to stop moving for almost a whole day, and all because one guy asked him too. I will admit, that seems like quite the favor to grant a mere mortal. But how plausible is it? Well, just like the other parts of the biblical...
Sep 08 7:33pm @1.1.19 Um, yeah. You go with that, Gordy.
Sep 08 3:59pm @1.1.17 "..." Factually, no. It was neither an instance of surrogacy nor, even if it had been, the first one. In the first case it doesn't meet the definition of surrogacy and in the second, Abraham's...
Sep 07 11:43pm @1.1.13 You should look up the definition of the word subservient. 
Sep 07 9:20pm @1.1.10 "..." Yes, that would also be accurate. 
Sep 07 6:59pm @1.1.7 "..." Mary did consent.  "..."
Paul Has Questions For Christians Who Support Trump

Paul Has Questions For Christians Who Support Trump


By: JohnRussell  •  67 comments  •  one week ago
For those who can't watch the video, it is a regular person sitting in his car who videos himself asking pointed questions to Christians who support Trump. First he quotes 1 Corinthians 13 4-8 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps...
Sep 08 5:51am @4.1.42 Sorry, Bob. My position isn't that difficult to understand, yet you choose to ignore it, pretending I'm saying something different. It's pretty hard to have any sort of useful conversation when one...
Sep 07 9:22pm @4.1.35 "..." Term limits, totally!!!
Sep 07 6:52pm @4.1.33 "..." I tend to agree with this somewhat, although I'm not sure to what degree. Possibly I agree completely. However, do you think politicians in general are any different? Take Pelosi or Schiff...
Sep 07 6:43pm @4.1.32 "..." Um, not sure I said Biden is more unethical. I believe what I said is that what he supports is antithetical to Christian values. For all I know, Biden is as big or a bigger liar than Trump,...
Sep 07 6:33pm @4.1.31 "..." Okay, I understand. 
Sep 07 6:32pm @4.1.30 Ah, well, this post definitely explains a lot. Why didn't you just come out and say you are not a Christian? 
Sep 07 7:21am @4.1.16 You wouldn't happen to be a Unitarian Universalist, would you? That would explain a lot.  Other than that, I don't see any point in arguing with you. I'm content to let God judge between us. The...
Sep 07 6:29am @4.1.14 "..." Uh, no it isn't. And I don't think you understood TiG's post if you think it shows this. TiG wasn't trying to show anything except that he understood my position.  For all I know, Biden, as...
Sep 07 5:24am @4.1.13 "..." Actually, it's "Love God and love others." Loving God comes first. One can't love others in the way God intended without loving God first. Part of loving God with all that we have is to...
Sep 07 2:23am @4.1.9 "..." That wasn't intended as a criticism, btw. 
Sep 07 1:50am @4.1.8 "..." For the most part, yeah, you got it right. Not sure why he can't understand it. I don't mean why he doesn't agree with it but I don't know how much more obvious I can be about why it isn't...
Sep 07 1:00am @4.1.6 "..." I'm somewhat baffled by your responses to what I say. It's as if you aren't actually reading any of it. Like your eyes can see the words but your brain is translating what I say into some...
Sep 06 10:47pm @4.1.4 "..." Really?  "..." Are you saying you're not actually going to address the issue? Why wouldn't Christians vote for Trump when Biden and the Left are so much more antithetical to our values?...
Sep 06 8:47pm @4.1.2 "..." This would be incorrect and, really, a pretty weak dig. Nor does it address the topic to which I responded. Care to comment on that?  "..." I think he would say he was in his Father's...
Sep 06 8:08pm @4.1 "..." I find it odd that people think this is the choice before Christians. I wonder if you really think this is the choice we face or if this is just you trying to manipulate the conscience of...