Keeping The Big Lie Alive
This is getting beyond ridiculous. This group Cyber Ninjas should have never been allowed to do what they are.
A completely partisan organization that is trying to do all of this in secret and block anyone from seeing what they are doing.
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They are pretending to be cops and trying to deny people access, even after a real policeman told her where to go.
I just heard where a judge told them they cannot do all this in secret.
I read that supposedly they are using the UV light because of a conspiracy theory that ballots should have a trump water mark.
Whatever happened to my black light and all of those glowing posters from the 60s?
Considering this recount is republican backed a republican outcome is expected.
At any cost.
It is completely ridiculous that this is even allowed.
There is no telling what these people are capable of.
Chasing off people, the secrecy, who knows what they are doing to the ballots.
One of the things I wonder is if they are validating the signatures and recording who voted for whom ?
I see they are photocopying our ballots and wonder if they know who those ballots are from and WTF will be done with the information they are gathering in this process.
I'm with you Ender this should not have been allowed to begin with.
This surely is a secretive witch hunt done in public view.
No way will this be believable under these circumstances. Just more division that you and I are paying for that will be used against we the people to help divide US.
Ridiculous !!
I wouldn't trust any of their so called findings. None of these people are trained or have ever done anything like this before.
Hell the organization is about cyber hacking....
I am sure they are looking to hack a few ballots.
One of our local news reporters got a picture of a retired republican of public office (not sure what) sitting there counting ballots. Illegally !
She is now banned.
It was aired on our local news and she was sued, then quickly found to not be illegal that she took the picture (they sued her for the picture's content of the ballot) it didn't show what the lawsuit claimed and the case against her was instantly dismissed.
What a political circus !
All in the quest for power !
Even our governor Republican Ducey has said over and over that our election process is sound.
Sad !
It is just bizarre to me that the Arizona republicans are in on this.
The trumpers have fallen so far out of the realm of normalcy.
I actually do try to be open and not completely partisan yet with stunts like this, I would never vote for another republican again.
I actually do try to be open and not completely partisan .. Good Me too. I think we are stronger when both sides work together for the good of all.
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As a party they are making it harder. But like with the police I still don't think they are all bad.
And not all bad politicians IMO: are republican.
IMO: Bad politicians are put into power by both sides because of straight party line voting. Some people vote not even knowing who they are giving power to. Just a D or and R is all they need.
Extremely sad !
how is legislation possible with those that won't negotiate in good faith and refuse to compromise?
Not to mention, won't work for the good of all?
... my definition of "radical" got a bit more fine tuned on 01/06/21.
No negotiations end up happening.
I'd say like we have seen it for many years now.
One side "rules" till the other side has had all they will take, then they finally unify enough to take power back and the dance is repeated.
Yes it's sad and unproductive. But sadly that is where we have been and still are.
trumpturd seems to believe that all this will reinstate him into the White House and that this phony recount was the first domino.
Only an idiot loser would believe this nonsense.
trumpturd is saying (I think in New Hampshire where President Biden had a very strong lead) that they are finding thousands and thousands of votes there. What a loser liar.
Emotional, gullible, partisan lunatics.
Not to mention unscrupulous !!
Steve, I'm saying this not to be argumentative, but to illustrate my position on a point on which we've disagreed elsewhere. Stuff like this is why the Democrats don't want to compromise with Republicans, and in many ways, I think they may be wise on that position. The GOP has unfortunately become too partisan for rational discussion or for bipartisanship to be expected to work. Party leadership seems to care only about winning - not democracy, not the law, not common decency. I don't think it's the entire party, but too many of those in power are hyperpartisan, and they squelch the voices of the rest too often. There is no compromise with irrationality. Until the GOP figures out a way to shed the irrational and blatantly dishonest among themselves, they should not expect compromise.
Ender, if you feel this is off topic, I will gladly delete it.
I agree Sandy but I see that is true for both parties.
I think We the people should stop giving the radicals among our politicians power.
On both sides.
The Dems aren't doing anything remotely as bad as this. I don't agree with all of their policies, but they haven't been trying for months to overthrow a legal election. The "both sides" thing just doesn't apply here.
the number of radicals with power in gov't still seems lopsided to me, but not as bad as it was 5 months ago.
Sandy, Both sides have their radicals. I agree trump took it to a whole new level and many of his followers still are. However radical left politicians are out there as well and they too have their following.
Thanks Kathleen, unfortunately, that's rare. So many in America are so polarized !
It's what many of our politicians and media have been working to bring about for many years.. For their own power and profit.
Divide and conquer America for their own gain.
They are literally trying to pack the Supreme Court with partisan justices. It's the worst threat to our democracy since the last time the democrats tried it almost 100 years ago.
ut they haven't been trying for months to overthrow a legal election
They tried to overthrow the last three presidential elections they lost.
I never said both sides don't have their radicals. But one side's radicals are behaving significantly worse than the other's. Bad behavior shouldn't expect cooperation in return. We don't reward toddlers' temper tantrums with lollipops.
Merrick Garland. Amy Coney Barrett. If these two nominations had been treated the same, you might have a point. They weren't, so you don't.
And as to your second point, I have addressed it before. They didn't. Nor did they attempt an insurrection.
trump set the bar, many of the republicans are using that bar. Look where it got trump.
And add a couple more states.
True on all counts.
They're just pissed that the Republicans are trying to emulate their tactics.
Denying someone a seat on the Court isn't a threat to our judiciary. Literally increasing the number of justices for partisan reasons is.
Just imagine if Trump and the Republicans simply decided to add 3 more justices to ensure the results they wanted. The same people supporting Biden's court packing plan would have been calling it the biggest scandal in American history.
And as to your second point, I have addressed it before. They didn't.
Of course they did. The Congressional record is there for anyone to see. Not to mention claiming voting machines were tampered with etc etc.. It's amazing how dishonest liberals are about their own history to avoid taking responsibility.
Trump and the Republicans simply started acting like Democrats have been for 20 years.
First off, the Dems are not going to add any justices to the court. Won't happen no matter how much either side wants to keep this alive.
Second, the only thing your post says is the Dems are bad so we need to be worse...
Not for a lack of trying.
e only thing your post says is the Dems are bad so we need to be worse
That's not what I said at all. I said Republicans are acting like Dems have the last 20 years. There's no advocacy "to be worse." It's simply pointing out how dishonest it is for Democrats to pretend to be outraged when Republicans use their own tactics against them.
Absent a situation that hasn't occurred yet, no one should challenge the certification of elections in Congress. Both Democrats and Republicans need to lose without claiming the Presidential, or governor's election was stolen.
I thought it was stupid to contest the one they did yet that was extreme circumstance. The vote was really narrow and what was in contention was them throwing out ballots.
No where even close to the same no matter how hard one tries.
What they are doing in Arizona is beyond the pale.
Would you not be throwing a fit if the Dems were doing all this shrouded in secrecy?
It will never happen yet I can understand their frustration.
When it's based on partisanship, it does. It calls into question the impartiality of the Court.
And yeah, here's that Congressional Record you were talking about:
It's almost like you forget who made this a partisan issue to begin with? (bork).., Then filibustering circuit and then Supreme Court nominations?
And by all means, tell me how how packing 4 democratic partisan justices onto the Court won't call into question the impartiality of the court? Court packing will destroy the court and ruin it's credibility.
Yes, a vote to contest the election is a vote to contest the election. Which the Democrats have done the last three times they've lost the Presidential election. Just because they knew they'd lose doesn't change that they voted to contest the election.
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Which election? Democrats in Congress have objected to the certification of the Presidential election the last three times they lost for all sorts of reasons.
I can't find any info on that right now. Nothing to show anything legislative.
No, it expressly wasn't, by the Congresswoman's own words.
So, you're ok with nominees being denied a confirmation hearing, so long as it's your side doing the denying? Noted.
Were there any objections in Congress to the certification of the vote in 2016?
No.
U.S. Congress certifies Trump's Electoral College victory | Reuters
All right, I stand corrected. None had the backing of a Senator.
In the 2004, it was not an attempt to overthrow the election, as Sean claims.
So what is the point of objecting if the goal isn't to challenge the electoral votes from a state?
What does objecting accomplish?
Nothing.
Of course, I'm not the one who brought it up. Sean did, by way of defending the Arizona GOP forcing the hyperpartisan audit in Maricopa County.
I said nothing whatsoever about who brought it up.
Why is that important now?
You're asking me why they did it. I'm not them, not accountable for them, and didn't bring them into the conversation.
I didn't ask you why they did it.
I asked what the point of it was.
A distinction without a difference.
And trolling.
Keep that trolling nonsense to yourself, please.
I call 'em as I sees 'em.
The Republicans did just that and the RW paleo conservatives cheered.
Oh the more of that old BS canard. Well done.
No, they didn't.
Oh the more of that old BS canard.
Of course it's true, which is why you can't refute it.
Yes they did.
It's been refuted here on NT ad nauseum in the last couple of months Sean. I won't repeat it for you.
When did the Republicans do that in your imagination???
Why do they insist on lying about the GOP packing the court?
Is it deliberate or just ignorance--not knowing what it is they are yakking about?
They try to change the meaning of words and phrases to confuse the reader.
Yeah, we are all on to their game.
They didn't do it in my imagination Tex.
They must have, because it simply never happened.
But I'm cool with you pretending it did.
The eternal question....
The person who started the whole Republicans packed the Court narrative is certainly being dishonest. . "Packing the Court" is not popular with anyone who isn't a far left fanatic, so they retreat to their Stalinist roots and simply assault the English language and change the meaning of the phrase. Then the parrots who don't really think for themselves or understand what's being discussed pick up the talking point and repeat it on a loop.
I've noticed that!
Oh but it DID.
I'm not pretending anything Tex. I'd suggest that you review and perhaps expand your understanding of the concept of what 'packing the court' entails but I'm not under the delusion that you would.
Yawn.
Keep pretending that you even know what the fuck packing the court means.
Doesn't really bother me any, and it certainly will never change the facts.
Oh, BTFW, here is a definition of court packing:
What does ‘packing the court’ mean?
Again, I'm not pretending anything Tex.
As for facts, your choice of sources for definitions is telling. I for one prefer academic sources over layman journalist but hey, you do what you want.
Pretend away!!
Get back to me when you learn what court packing is.
BTMFW, when did the GOP do it? Surely you can provide an example of when the GOP expanded or attempted to expand SCOTUS, right?
Right?
Here are yet some more definitions of court packing from other sources:
What Does It Mean to Pack the Court? (msn.com)
"Pack the Court" Meaning - Packing the Supreme Court, Explained (harpersbazaar.com)
Court packing | Definition of Court packing at Dictionary.com
What does ‘packing the court’ mean? (the-sun.com)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/court-packing
What is Court Packing and Why Does It Matter? - FindLaw
What is Court Packing? Supreme Court Vacancy Revives Idea From FDR - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
What is court packing, and why are some Democrats seriously considering it? - The Washington Post
Here's another:
But again, limit your sources and definition if you must.
The GOP placed judges just like the Democrats did.
Stop whining about it.
"A distinction without a difference.
And trolling"
Deflection, projection, denial - today's gqp.
Dulay is not the one doing the whining here.
Let me arrange that so that it actually will make sense:
"Dulay is not the ONLY one doing the whining here".
Even YOU know that's bullshit Tex.
So providing an academic definition is 'whining'.
No wonder we can never agree Tex.
Academic definition?
my God, I gave you a bunch of sources, including two fucking DICTIONARIES. Hell, even your vaunted NYT knows what the fuck court packing is and can admit it--why can't you?
I didn't read your edit Tex. Since you failed to address the link I provided, it doesn't matter anyway.
You are right-it won't matter until you learn or admit what the fuck court packing is.
Why do you think the definition you provided is more accurate than mine Tex?
Because some of the examples I gave you cited the historic context.
SMMFH.
Just admit that the Democrats want to pack the Court.
Constant denial in the face of facts is futile and unworthy of further responses from me until you can admit it.
So did mine.
No more than the GOP already has.
You're deluding yourself if you think that I give a shit whether you respond.
Some folks just HATE TO HAVE THAT LAST WORD.
So petty!
can you name some folks who "HATE TO HAVE THAT LAST WORD"
Texan1211?
nope, I actually LIKE having the last word.
like now!
Revelatory!
It seems to me that the Arizona Rangers are flirting with impersonation of police officers. I believe that's illegal.
The Arizona GOP has largely shown that they are not interested in democracy. There are exceptions, of course. But they run the risk of being censured by the Arizona GOP, who seem much more devoted to kissing Trump's ass than to free and fair elections.
Can't win, find another way.
I guarantee that they miraculously find enough ballots they want discarded to give donald a win.
That is what they are looking for and it would not surprise me if "They" find it.
Being reality however will always be highly questioned as it sure as Hell should be.
Smoke and mirrors are often used to manipulate people I don't see this as any different. Some people will believe whatever is put before them, by anyone They chose to believe no matter what.
Thankfully, most won't.
Our local news stations are having a hell of a time getting any information on any of this. They are having to file lawsuits to get any info at all.
It is all bullshit. If I was an Arizona voter, I would be pissed this hacker company would be privy to information.
Oh I am. Fuck our state GOP with a Gila monster, this is a fucking joke. Even my idiot dad cant really defend it and he has tried to defend the concept of thought crime.
that's the republican transparency and election security you've heard so much about...
just another variation of the trump legal fund scams. nothing more than a melodrama du jour for the mentally challenged.
Mentally challenged is a polite way of calling these idiots what I really think of them.
Yes, but...
What happens at the next election? Can anyone really trust that their vote is being counted, if the party in charge goes to such great lengths to find reasons to cast out votes they don't like?
Their insistence that they are trying to ensure that there's no election fraud has the exact opposite effect when they hire such blatantly partisan people to "audit" the results under such secretive conditions.
If I were an Arizonan, I wouldn't trust this audit as far as I could throw the stadium where it's being carried out, and I'd have serious doubts about the fairness of any future election.
I think that is part of what they want.
Then THEIR goal would be accomplished. No we must continue to vote here.
Arizona has always believed in our elections.. till trump.
Now all of a sudden our mail in ballot system, that has been just fine with no reported problems since it’s inception, needs to be shored up? Why, because the state broke for the Democrats for a change and against a historically unpopular president?
Sorry if I don’t find that to be a convincing argument, and that really is all the state GOP has put forward. They haven’t presented any evidence of fraud or anything else, leaving the only reasonable conclusion to be that the statewide races didn’t go the way of the party in power wanted.
O it's pretty obvious the republican party here is trying to use the last election to change our voting system.
But that is all the more reason to vote. To vote them out of office !!!
the arizona republican party is doing more now to undermine our government for free, than what any of our enemies could ever hope to afford to accomplish.
Ain't nothin for free.
Who's paying the bills?
There was little transparency Thursday, though, about who exactly is footing the bill.
The Senate contracted with Cyber Ninjas to conduct the audit and produce a report in about 60 days for $150,000.
But Logan confirmed Thursday his company had received outside funding for the audit, too.
Prominent supporters of former President Donald Trump have solicited donations for the audit. Former Trump administration official Christina Bobb has publicly appealed for donations and is also on site as a broadcaster for the right-wing channel One America News Network.
Neither Bennett nor Logan would say how much the audit will cost.
What reeks even more is they are only auditing several key aspects. Just the one race in the one county and I think two other races Dems won.
So not even a state wide 'audit', just a partisan hit on races they didn't like the outcome.
Allegedly the 'costs' are being bore my online contributors and unnamed right wing---individuals.
Ender is right. That is what they want. A democracy weakened by fear and mistrust.
I’ve been keeping up with this since it is happening in my idiot state. This is a fuckin joke. The people in charge of this bullshit group are so closely tied to Trump it isn’t funny and several have expressed a firm belief in lizard people, sorry election fraud.
They are not there to examine the evidence and see where it leads, they are there to prove a predetermined conclusion. You want to know what shakes people’s faith in elections? This kind of crap, indulging in delusions and not stamping out nonsense conspiracy theories when they arise. Fucking stunts like this are why the GOP is now the party of stopping Jew space lasers and global cannibal satan worshipping child molester rings.
Hopefullly this kind of Bull Shit Stunts is the beginning of their end as it was in trump's case.
When insane antics outweigh the masses tolerance, we vote eventually them out.
just like trump trumped trump out of office.
Crossing the line of normalcy too far or too often has consequences.
True. But there are many times in history where the 'consequences' came far too late and with much death and destruction.
Yep. They want to sow discord among the voters. And then by some miraculous reason they swoop in to 'save the day' with all these new election laws, after they are the ones that sowed doubt to begin with.
GOP is in Kompromat. Follow the money. They are erecting the walls of self protection while they still have the means to do so.
Ironically, The circus really is in town !
The recount is continuing at Veterans Memorial Coliseum at the state fairgrounds
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GO CRAZY AT OUR CRAZY TIMES CARNIVAL!
ARIZONA STATE FAIRGROUNDS
APRIL 29 – MAY 9.
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NEWS FLASH,
Bernie Sanders is on his way with the Jewish Space Laser to zap the dumb asses.
Maybe that is why they need the UV lights...
They can check and see if they were altered by laser...
Anybody ever test to see if repeated UV light on ink may cause the ink on the ballots to not scan properly? A 5% failure rate in close elections--------well, you know?
Don't know about this. I really don't, but behind it all the autocrats of the World, and especially Putin, has much to benefit from American division, suspicion and mistrust in our American democracy.
This too. Why is Trump so afraid now? What has he done? I still believe there was much about Helsinki and the aftermath that we have yet to learn. Remember the Kurds? And there is much more.
I just wonder how the chain of custody of the ballots is going to be upheld. They seemed to be pretty loose with their handling of the ballots. I also wonder if they are scanning the documents into some type of database, which would mean that they can be reproduced, at will, with digital alterations and substituted for the original.... The courts can't be stupid enough to let the tech company have digital instruments that are not monitored, can they????
PHOENIX — With news outlets finally getting access to independently view what work is being done with nearly 2.1 million ballots cast in Arizona, we've seen men and women scanning images of ballots, and other cameras taking photos from a higher angle.
w.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/abc15-uncovers-what-cyber-ninjas-is-looking-for-on-your-ballot-during-election-audit
So now they are taking pics of ballots with their phones?
There is no way in hell I would want these lunatics having my private ballot on their personal phones.
We don't even know if they know who sent in the ballots or not, or what the republican party will do with the information they are gathering.
This will not stop me from voting again, to vote out those who IMO: have authorized invading my privacy of my vote.
This whole thing is just making a mockery of our system.
Sad really when the republicans will look the other way while this farce is going on.
The whole thing is a joke and any 'findings' from them will be a joke as well.
I'd say considering the people authorizing and doing this recount the outcome was predestined from the get go and yes for the majority of Americas I think this will look like a desperately sad bad joke.
Unfortunately, those who want to find irregularities when they emerge will be thrilled and I have little doubt there will be doubtful irregularities. Its almost a given considering that's exactly what the republican "searchers" want.