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Keeping The Big Lie Alive

  
By:  Ender  •  Video  •  2 weeks ago  •  132 comments

Keeping The Big Lie Alive

This is getting beyond ridiculous. This group Cyber Ninjas should have never been allowed to do what they are.

A completely partisan organization that is trying to do all of this in secret and block anyone from seeing what they are doing.

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They are pretending to be cops and trying to deny people access, even after a real policeman told her where to go.

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Ender
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1  author  Ender    2 weeks ago

I just heard where a judge told them they cannot do all this in secret.

 
 
 
Ender
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2  author  Ender    2 weeks ago

I read that supposedly they are using the UV light because of a conspiracy theory that ballots should have a trump water mark.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Ender @2    2 weeks ago

What is the fascination with UV light with these folks? It can simultaneously cure COVID and find fake ballots.
This entire phishing expedition is a travesshamockery and will be laughed away as it should. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  r.t..b... @2.1    2 weeks ago
This entire phishing expedition is a travesshamockery and will be laughed away as it should. 

I predict we will have some of our local politicians here hanging their hat on the outcome and little doubt what that outcome is. 

All in justification of changing our long standing highly used absentee voter option here in Arizona. 

F.. them !!! 

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.2  Kavika   replied to  r.t..b... @2.1    2 weeks ago

They did prove one thing that UV light will not cure ignorance and stupidity.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.3  author  Ender  replied to  Kavika @2.1.2    2 weeks ago
ignorance and stupidity

Seems the Arizona republicans cup runneth over...

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.4  Kavika   replied to  Ender @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Let's make it a trifecta, add delusional.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.2  cjcold  replied to  Ender @2    2 weeks ago

Whatever happened to my black light and all of those glowing posters from the 60s?

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     2 weeks ago

Considering this recount is republican backed a republican outcome is expected. 

At any cost. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1  author  Ender  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3    2 weeks ago

It is completely ridiculous that this is even allowed.

There is no telling what these people are capable of.

Chasing off people, the secrecy, who knows what they are doing to the ballots.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Ender @3.1    2 weeks ago

One of the things I wonder is if they are validating the signatures and recording who voted for whom ?

I see they are photocopying our ballots and wonder if they know who those ballots are from and WTF will be done with the information they are gathering in this process. 

I'm with you Ender this should not have been allowed to begin with.

This surely is a secretive witch hunt done in public view. 

No way will this be believable under these circumstances. Just more division that you and I are paying for that will be used against we the people to help divide US. 

Ridiculous !!

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.2  author  Ender  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

I wouldn't trust any of their so called findings. None of these people are trained or have ever done anything like this before.

Hell the organization is about cyber hacking....

I am sure they are looking to hack a few ballots.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Ender @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

One of our local news reporters got a picture of a retired republican of public office (not sure what) sitting there counting ballots. Illegally !

She is now banned. 

It was aired on our local news and she was sued, then quickly found to not be illegal that she took the picture (they sued her for the picture's content of the ballot) it didn't show what the lawsuit claimed and the case against her was instantly dismissed.

What a political circus !

All in the quest for power !

Even our governor Republican Ducey has said over and over that our election process is sound. 

Sad !

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.4  author  Ender  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

It is just bizarre to me that the Arizona republicans are in on this.

The trumpers have fallen so far out of the realm of normalcy.

I actually do try to be open and not completely partisan yet with stunts like this, I would never vote for another republican again.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Ender @3.1.4    2 weeks ago
I actually do try to be open and not completely partisan yet with stunts like this, I would never vote for another republican again.

I actually do try to be open and not completely partisan .. Good Me too. I think we are stronger when both sides work together for the good of all. 

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As a party they are making it harder. But like with the police I still don't think they are all bad.

And not all bad politicians IMO: are republican.

IMO: Bad politicians are put into power by both sides because of straight party line voting. Some people vote not even knowing who they are giving power to. Just a D or and R is all they need. 

Extremely sad ! 

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.6  devangelical  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1.5    2 weeks ago
we are stronger when both sides work together for the good of all. 

how is legislation possible with those that won't negotiate in good faith and refuse to compromise?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  devangelical @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

Not to mention, won't work for the good of all?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.8  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

... my definition of "radical" got a bit more fine tuned on 01/06/21.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1.9  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  devangelical @3.1.6    2 weeks ago
how is legislation possible with those that won't negotiate in good faith and refuse to compromise?

No negotiations end up happening. 

I'd say like we have seen it for many years now.

One side "rules" till the other side has had all they will take, then they finally unify enough to take power back and the dance is repeated.

Yes it's sad and unproductive. But sadly that is where we have been and still are.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @3.1    2 weeks ago

trumpturd seems to believe that all this will reinstate him into the White House and that this phony recount was the first domino.

Only an idiot loser would believe this nonsense.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

trumpturd is saying (I think in New Hampshire where President Biden had a very strong lead) that they are finding thousands and thousands of votes there.  What a loser liar.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4  TᵢG    2 weeks ago

Emotional, gullible, partisan lunatics.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  TᵢG @4    2 weeks ago
Emotional, gullible, partisan lunatics.

Not to mention unscrupulous !! 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1    2 weeks ago

Steve, I'm saying this not to be argumentative, but to illustrate my position on a point on which we've disagreed elsewhere.  Stuff like this is why the Democrats don't want to compromise with Republicans, and in many ways, I think they may be wise on that position.  The GOP has unfortunately become too partisan for rational discussion or for bipartisanship to be expected to work.  Party leadership seems to care only about winning - not democracy, not the law, not common decency.  I don't think it's the entire party, but too many of those in power are hyperpartisan, and they squelch the voices of the rest too often.  There is no compromise with irrationality.  Until the GOP figures out a way to shed the irrational and blatantly dishonest among themselves, they should not expect compromise.

Ender, if you feel this is off topic, I will gladly delete it.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
I don't think it's the entire party, but too many of those in power are hyperpartisan,

I agree Sandy but I see that is true for both parties. 

I think We the people should stop giving the radicals among our politicians power. 

On both sides. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1.2    2 weeks ago
but I see that is true for both parties.

The Dems aren't doing anything remotely as bad as this.  I don't agree with all of their policies, but they haven't been trying for months to overthrow a legal election.  The "both sides" thing just doesn't apply here.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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4.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

I agree with you Steve. 

Both Parties have been behaving badly. Moderate is what we need.  All the digs and foolishness in the news has many people despising politics in general. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.5  devangelical  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

the number of radicals with power in gov't still seems lopsided to me, but not as bad as it was 5 months ago.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.3    2 weeks ago
"both sides"

Sandy, Both sides have their radicals. I agree trump took it to a whole new level and many of his followers still are. However radical left politicians are out there as well and they too have their following. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.7  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Kathleen @4.1.4    2 weeks ago
I agree with you Steve.  Both Parties have been behaving badly.

Thanks Kathleen, unfortunately, that's rare. So many in America are so polarized ! 

It's what many of our politicians and media have been working to bring about for many years.. For their own power and profit. 

Divide and conquer America for their own gain. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.3    2 weeks ago
he Dems aren't doing anything remotely as bad as this.

They are literally trying to pack the Supreme Court with partisan justices. It's the worst threat to our democracy since the last time the democrats tried it almost 100 years ago. 

ut they haven't been trying for months to overthrow a legal election

They tried to overthrow the last three presidential elections they lost.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

I never said both sides don't have their radicals.  But one side's radicals are behaving significantly worse than the other's.  Bad behavior shouldn't expect cooperation in return.  We don't reward toddlers' temper tantrums with lollipops.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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4.1.10  Kathleen  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

Exactly.

I have been looking at things differently lately. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.11  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.8    2 weeks ago
They are literally trying to pack the Supreme Court with partisan justices.

Merrick Garland.  Amy Coney Barrett.  If these two nominations had been treated the same, you might have a point.  They weren't, so you don't.

And as to your second point, I have addressed it before.  They didn't.  Nor did they attempt an insurrection.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.12  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago
But one side's radicals are behaving significantly worse than the other's.

trump set the bar, many of the republicans are using that bar. Look where it got trump. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.13  Greg Jones  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

And add a couple more states.

True on all counts.

They're just pissed that the Republicans are trying to emulate their tactics.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.11    2 weeks ago
errick Garland.  Amy Coney Barrett.  If these two nominations had been treated the same, you might have a point.  They weren't, so you do

Denying someone a seat on the Court isn't a threat to our judiciary.  Literally increasing the number of justices for partisan reasons is. 

Just imagine if Trump and the Republicans  simply decided to add 3 more justices to ensure the results they wanted.  The same people supporting Biden's court packing plan would have been calling it the biggest scandal in American history. 

And as to your second point, I have addressed it before.  They didn't.  

Of course they did. The Congressional record is there for anyone to see. Not to mention claiming voting machines were tampered with etc etc.. It's amazing how dishonest liberals are about their own history to avoid taking responsibility.

Trump and the Republicans simply started acting like Democrats have been for 20 years.  

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.15  author  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.14    2 weeks ago

First off, the Dems are not going to add any justices to the court. Won't happen no matter how much either side wants to keep this alive.

Second, the only thing your post says is the Dems are bad so we need to be worse...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @4.1.15    2 weeks ago
he Dems are not going to add any justices to the court.

Not for a lack of trying. 

e only thing your post says is the Dems are bad so we need to be worse

That's not what I said at all. I said Republicans are acting like Dems have the last 20 years. There's  no advocacy "to be worse."  It's simply pointing out how dishonest it is for Democrats to pretend to be outraged when Republicans use their own tactics against them.

Absent a situation that hasn't occurred yet, no one should challenge the certification of elections in Congress. Both Democrats and Republicans need to  lose without claiming the Presidential, or governor's election was stolen. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
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4.1.17  Kathleen  replied to  Ender @4.1.15    2 weeks ago

They want too, but I don’t think they can. 

Next thing you know.... we will have 50 people 20 years from now. Each time a new President is elected, they will add more.

So they shouldn’t. 

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.18  author  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.16    2 weeks ago

I thought it was stupid to contest the one they did yet that was extreme circumstance. The vote was really narrow and what was in contention was them throwing out ballots.

No where even close to the same no matter how hard one tries.

What they are doing in Arizona is beyond the pale.

Would you not be throwing a fit if the Dems were doing all this shrouded in secrecy?

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.19  author  Ender  replied to  Kathleen @4.1.17    2 weeks ago

It will never happen yet I can understand their frustration.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.14    2 weeks ago
Denying someone a seat on the Court isn't a threat to our judiciary.

When it's based on partisanship, it does.  It calls into question the impartiality of the Court.

And yeah, here's that Congressional Record you were talking about:

  This objection does not have at its root the hope or even the hint of 
overturning the victory of the President;  but it is a necessary, 
timely, and appropriate opportunity to review and remedy the most 
precious process in our democracy. I raise this objection neither to 
put the Nation in the turmoil of a proposed overturned election nor to 
provide cannon fodder or partisan demagoguery for my fellow Members of 
Congress. I raise this objection because I am convinced that we as a 
body must conduct a formal and legitimate debate about election 
irregularities. I raise this objection to debate the process and 
protect the integrity of the true will of the people.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.21  Sean Treacy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.20    2 weeks ago
hen it's based on partisanship, it does.  It calls into question the impartiality of the Court

It's almost like you forget who made this a partisan issue to begin with? (bork).., Then filibustering circuit  and then Supreme Court nominations? 

And by all means, tell me how how packing 4 democratic partisan justices onto the Court won't call into  question the impartiality of the court?  Court packing will destroy the court and ruin it's credibility. 

 here's that Congressional Record you were talking about:

Yes, a vote to contest the election is a vote to contest the election.   Which the Democrats have done the last three times they've lost the Presidential election.  Just because they knew they'd lose doesn't change that they voted to contest the election.   

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Sean Treacy
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4.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @4.1.18    2 weeks ago
The vote was really narrow 

Which election? Democrats in Congress have objected to the certification of the Presidential election  the last three times they lost for all sorts of reasons. 

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.23  author  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.22    2 weeks ago

I can't find any info on that right now. Nothing to show anything legislative.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.24  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.21    2 weeks ago
Yes, a vote to contest the election is a vote to contest the election.

No, it expressly wasn't, by the Congresswoman's own words.

So, you're ok with nominees being denied a confirmation hearing, so long as it's your side doing the denying?  Noted.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.25  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.21    2 weeks ago
Which the Democrats have done the last three times they've lost the Presidential election.

Were there any objections in Congress to the certification of the vote in 2016?

No.

 
 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.26    2 weeks ago

All right, I stand corrected.  None had the backing of a Senator.

In the 2004, it was not an attempt to overthrow  the election, as Sean claims.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.27    2 weeks ago

So what is the point of objecting if the goal isn't to challenge the electoral votes from a state?

What does objecting accomplish?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.29  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.28    2 weeks ago

Nothing.

Of course, I'm not the one who brought it up.  Sean did, by way of defending the Arizona GOP forcing the hyperpartisan audit in Maricopa County.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.29    2 weeks ago

I said nothing whatsoever about who brought it up.

Why is that important now?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.31  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.30    2 weeks ago

You're asking me why they did it.  I'm not them, not accountable for them, and didn't bring them into the conversation.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.31    2 weeks ago

I didn't ask you why they did it.

I asked what the point of it was.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.33  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.32    2 weeks ago

A distinction without a difference.

And trolling.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.33    2 weeks ago

Keep that trolling nonsense to yourself, please.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.35  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.34    2 weeks ago

I call 'em as I sees 'em.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.36  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.35    2 weeks ago

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Dulay
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4.1.37  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.8    2 weeks ago
They are literally trying to pack the Supreme Court with partisan justices. It's the worst threat to our democracy since the last time the democrats tried it almost 100 years ago. 

The Republicans did just that and the RW paleo conservatives cheered. 

They tried to overthrow the last three presidential elections they lost.  

Oh the more of that old BS canard. Well done. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.38  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @4.1.37    2 weeks ago
blicans did just that and the RW paleo conservatives cheered

No, they didn't.

Oh the more of that old BS canard. 

Of course it's true, which is why you can't refute it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.39  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.38    2 weeks ago
No, they didn't.

Yes they did. 

Of course it's true, which is why you can't refute it. 

It's been refuted here on NT ad nauseum in the last couple of months Sean. I won't repeat it for you. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.37    2 weeks ago
The Republicans did just that and the RW paleo conservatives cheered. 

When did the Republicans do that in your imagination???

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.38    2 weeks ago

Why do they insist on lying about the GOP packing the court?

Is it deliberate or just ignorance--not knowing what it is they are yakking about?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.42  Snuffy  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.41    2 weeks ago

They try to change the meaning of words and phrases to confuse the reader.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.42    2 weeks ago

Yeah, we are all on to their game.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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4.1.44  Kathleen  replied to  Ender @4.1.19    2 weeks ago

See, I don’t. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.45  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.40    2 weeks ago

They didn't do it in my imagination Tex. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.45    2 weeks ago
They didn't do it in my imagination Tex. 

They must have, because it simply never happened.

But I'm cool with you pretending it did.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.47  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.41    2 weeks ago
Is it deliberate or just ignorance--

The eternal question....

The person who started the whole Republicans packed the Court narrative  is certainly being dishonest. . "Packing the Court" is not popular with anyone who isn't a far left fanatic, so they retreat to their Stalinist roots and simply assault the English language and  change the meaning of the phrase.  Then the parrots who don't really think for themselves or understand what's being discussed pick up the talking point and repeat it on a loop.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.47    2 weeks ago

I've noticed that!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.49  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.46    2 weeks ago
They must have, because it simply never happened.

Oh but it DID. 

But I'm cool with you pretending it did.

I'm not pretending anything Tex. I'd suggest that you review and perhaps expand your understanding of the concept of what 'packing the court' entails but I'm not under the delusion that you would. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.50  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.49    2 weeks ago

Yawn.

Keep pretending that you even know what the fuck packing the court means.

Doesn't really bother me any, and it certainly will never change the facts.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.51  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.49    2 weeks ago

Oh, BTFW, here is a definition of court packing:

“Packing the court” was coined by President Franklin D Roosevelt, which was a slang term for the   Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 . The bill wanted to reform the number of Supreme Court justices in an effort to obtain a favorable ruling for the New Deal legislation.
 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.52  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.50    2 weeks ago
Yawn.

Keep pretending that you even know what the fuck packing the court means.

Doesn't really bother me any, and it certainly will never change the facts.

Again, I'm not pretending anything Tex. 

As for facts, your choice of sources for definitions is telling. I for one prefer academic sources over layman journalist but hey, you do what you want. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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Dulay
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4.1.54  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.51    2 weeks ago
Oh, BTFW, here is a definition of court packing:

Here's another:

People often use "court packing" to describe changes to the size of the Supreme Court, but it's better understood as any effort to manipulate the Court's membership for partisan ends. A political party that's engaged in court packing will usually violate norms that govern who is appointed (e.g., only appoint jurists who respect precedent) and how the appointment process works (e.g., no appointments during a presidential election).

But again, limit your sources and definition if you must. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.54    2 weeks ago

The GOP placed judges just like the Democrats did.

Stop whining about it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.56  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.33    2 weeks ago

"A distinction without a difference.

And trolling"

Deflection, projection, denial - today's gqp.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.57  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.55    2 weeks ago

Dulay is not the one doing the whining here.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.58  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.57    2 weeks ago
Dulay is not the one doing the whining here.

Let me arrange that so that it actually will make sense:
"Dulay is not the ONLY one doing the whining here".

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
4.1.59  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.55    2 weeks ago
The GOP placed judges just like the Democrats did.

Even YOU know that's bullshit Tex. 

Stop whining about it.

So providing an academic definition is 'whining'.

No wonder we can never agree Tex. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.60  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.59    2 weeks ago

Academic definition?

my God, I gave you a bunch of sources, including two fucking DICTIONARIES. Hell, even your vaunted NYT knows what the fuck court packing is and can admit it--why can't you?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
4.1.61  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.60    2 weeks ago

I didn't read your edit Tex. Since you failed to address the link I provided, it doesn't matter anyway. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.62  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.61    2 weeks ago

You are right-it won't matter until you learn or admit what the fuck court packing is.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
4.1.63  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.62    2 weeks ago

Why do you think the definition you provided is more accurate than mine Tex? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.64  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.63    2 weeks ago

Because some of the examples I gave you cited the historic context. 

SMMFH.

Just admit that the Democrats want to pack the Court.

Constant denial in the face of facts is futile and unworthy of further responses from me until you can admit it.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
4.1.65  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.64    2 weeks ago
Because some of the examples I gave you cited the historic context.  SMMFH.

So did mine. 

Just admit that the Democrats want to pack the Court.

No more than the GOP already has. 

Constant denial in the face of facts is futile and unworthy of further responses from me until you can admit it.

You're deluding yourself if you think that I give a shit whether you respond. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.66  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.1.65    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.67  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @4.1.65    2 weeks ago

Some folks just HATE TO HAVE THAT LAST WORD.

So petty!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.68  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.67    2 weeks ago

can you name some folks who "HATE TO HAVE THAT LAST WORD"

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
4.1.69  Thrawn 31  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.68    2 weeks ago

Texan1211?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.70  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.69    2 weeks ago

nope, I actually LIKE having the last word.

like now!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
4.1.71  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.70    2 weeks ago

Revelatory! 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
5  sandy-2021492    2 weeks ago

It seems to me that the Arizona Rangers are flirting with impersonation of police officers.  I believe that's illegal.

The Arizona GOP has largely shown that they are not interested in democracy.  There are exceptions, of course.  But they run the risk of being censured by the Arizona GOP, who seem much more devoted to kissing Trump's ass than to free and fair elections.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
5.1  author  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5    2 weeks ago

Can't win, find another way.

I guarantee that they miraculously find enough ballots they want discarded to give donald a win.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Ender @5.1    2 weeks ago
they miraculously find enough ballots they want discarded to give donald a win

That is what they are looking for and it would not surprise me if "They" find it. 

Being reality however will always be highly questioned as it sure as Hell should be. 

Smoke and mirrors are often used to manipulate people I don't see this as any different. Some people will believe whatever is put before them, by anyone They chose to believe no matter what.

Thankfully, most won't. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     2 weeks ago

Our local news stations are having a hell of a time getting any information on any of this. They are having to file lawsuits to get any info at all.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
6.1  author  Ender  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6    2 weeks ago

It is all bullshit. If I was an Arizona voter, I would be pissed this hacker company would be privy to information.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
6.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ender @6.1    2 weeks ago

Oh I am. Fuck our state GOP with a Gila monster, this is a fucking joke. Even my idiot dad cant really defend it and he has tried to defend the concept of thought crime.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
6.2  devangelical  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6    2 weeks ago

that's the republican transparency and election security you've heard so much about...

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
7  devangelical    2 weeks ago

just another variation of the trump legal fund scams. nothing more than a melodrama du jour for the mentally challenged.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
7.1  author  Ender  replied to  devangelical @7    2 weeks ago

Mentally challenged is a polite way of calling these idiots what I really think of them.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
7.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  devangelical @7    2 weeks ago
nothing more than a melodrama du jour for the mentally challenged.

Yes, but...

What happens at the next election?  Can anyone really trust that their vote is being counted, if the party in charge goes to such great lengths to find reasons to cast out votes they don't like?

Their insistence that they are trying to ensure that there's no election fraud has the exact opposite effect when they hire such blatantly partisan people to "audit" the results under such secretive conditions.

If I were an Arizonan, I wouldn't trust this audit as far as I could throw the stadium where it's being carried out, and I'd have serious doubts about the fairness of any future election.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
7.2.1  author  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.2    2 weeks ago
and I'd have serious doubts about the fairness of any future election

I think that is part of what they want.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
7.2.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.2    2 weeks ago
I'd have serious doubts about the fairness of any future election.

Then THEIR goal would be accomplished. No we must continue to vote here. 

Arizona has always believed in our elections.. till trump.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
7.2.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.2.2    2 weeks ago

Now all of a sudden our mail in ballot system, that has been just fine with no reported problems since it’s inception, needs to be shored up? Why, because the state broke for the Democrats for a change and against a historically unpopular president?

Sorry if I don’t find that to be a convincing argument, and that really is all the state GOP has put forward. They haven’t presented any evidence of fraud or anything else, leaving the only reasonable conclusion to be that the statewide races didn’t go the way of the party in power wanted.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
7.2.4  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Thrawn 31 @7.2.3    2 weeks ago

O it's pretty obvious the republican party here is trying to use the last election to change our voting system. 

But that is all the more reason to vote. To vote them out of office !!!

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
7.2.5  devangelical  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.2.4    2 weeks ago

the arizona republican party is doing more now to undermine our government for free, than what any of our enemies could ever hope to afford to accomplish. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
7.2.6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  devangelical @7.2.5    2 weeks ago
for free,

Ain't nothin for free.

Who's paying the bills?

There was little transparency Thursday, though, about who exactly is footing the bill.

The Senate contracted with Cyber Ninjas to conduct the audit and produce a report in about 60 days for $150,000.

But Logan confirmed Thursday his company had received outside funding for the audit, too.

Prominent supporters of former President Donald Trump have solicited donations for the audit. Former Trump administration official Christina Bobb has publicly appealed for donations and is also on site as a broadcaster for the right-wing channel One America News Network.

Neither Bennett nor Logan would say how much the audit will cost.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
7.2.7  author  Ender  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.2.6    2 weeks ago

What reeks even more is they are only auditing several key aspects. Just the one race in the one county and I think two other races Dems won.

So not even a state wide 'audit', just a partisan hit on races they didn't like the outcome.

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
7.2.8  bbl-1  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.2.6    2 weeks ago

Allegedly the 'costs' are being bore my online contributors and unnamed right wing---individuals. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
7.2.9  bbl-1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.2    2 weeks ago

Ender is right.  That is what they want.  A democracy weakened by fear and mistrust.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
8  Thrawn 31    2 weeks ago

I’ve been keeping up with this since it is happening in my idiot state. This is a fuckin joke. The people in charge of this bullshit group are so closely tied to Trump it isn’t funny and several have expressed a firm belief in lizard people, sorry election fraud. 

They are not there to examine the evidence and see where it leads, they are there to prove a predetermined conclusion. You want to know what shakes people’s faith in elections? This kind of crap, indulging in delusions and not stamping out nonsense conspiracy theories when they arise. Fucking stunts like this are why the GOP is now the party of stopping Jew space lasers and global cannibal satan worshipping child molester rings.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
8.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Thrawn 31 @8    2 weeks ago
stunts like this are why the GOP is now the party of stopping Jew space lasers and global cannibal satan worshipping child molester rings.

Hopefullly this kind of Bull Shit Stunts is the beginning of their end as it was in trump's case. 

When insane antics outweigh the masses tolerance, we vote eventually them out. 

just like trump trumped trump out of office. 

Crossing the line of normalcy too far or too often has consequences. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
8.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.1    2 weeks ago

True.  But there are many times in history where the 'consequences' came far too late and with much death and destruction.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
8.2  author  Ender  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8    2 weeks ago

Yep. They want to sow discord among the voters. And then by some miraculous reason they swoop in to 'save the day' with all these new election laws, after they are the ones that sowed doubt to begin with.

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
8.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  Ender @8.2    2 weeks ago

GOP is in Kompromat.  Follow the money.  They are erecting the walls of self protection while they still have the means to do so.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
9  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     2 weeks ago

Ironically, The circus really is in town !   

The recount is continuing at Veterans Memorial Coliseum at the state fairgrounds

......................................

GO CRAZY AT OUR CRAZY TIMES CARNIVAL!

ARIZONA STATE FAIRGROUNDS

APRIL 29 – MAY 9.

.......................................

96

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
9.1  r.t..b...  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @9    2 weeks ago

The Madhouse on McDowell.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
10  Kavika     2 weeks ago

NEWS FLASH, 

Bernie Sanders is on his way with the Jewish Space Laser to zap the dumb asses. 

512

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
10.1  author  Ender  replied to  Kavika @10    2 weeks ago

Maybe that is why they need the UV lights...

They can check and see if they were altered by laser...

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
10.2  bbl-1  replied to  Kavika @10    2 weeks ago

Anybody ever test to see if repeated UV light on ink may cause the ink on the ballots to not scan properly?  A 5% failure rate in close elections--------well, you know?

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
11  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

Don't know about this.  I really don't, but behind it all the autocrats of the World, and especially Putin, has much to benefit from American division, suspicion and mistrust in our American democracy.

This too.  Why is Trump so afraid now?  What has he done?  I still believe there was much about Helsinki and the aftermath that we have yet to learn.  Remember the Kurds?  And there is much more.

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
12  Thomas    2 weeks ago

I just wonder how the chain of custody of the ballots is going to be upheld. They seemed to be pretty loose with their handling of the ballots. I also wonder if they are scanning the documents into some type of database, which would mean that they can be reproduced, at will, with digital alterations and substituted for the original.... The courts can't be stupid enough to let the tech company have digital instruments that are not monitored, can they????

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
12.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Thomas @12    2 weeks ago
They seemed to be pretty loose with their handling of the ballots. I also wonder if they are scanning the documents into some type of database

PHOENIX — With news outlets finally getting access to independently view what work is being done with nearly 2.1 million ballots cast in Arizona, we've seen men and women scanning images of ballots, and other cameras taking photos from a higher angle.

w.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/abc15-uncovers-what-cyber-ninjas-is-looking-for-on-your-ballot-during-election-audit

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
12.1.1  Thomas  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @12.1    2 weeks ago

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Ender
PhD Principal
12.1.2  author  Ender  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @12.1    one week ago

So now they are taking pics of ballots with their phones?

There is no way in hell I would want these lunatics having my private ballot on their personal phones.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
12.1.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Ender @12.1.2    one week ago
There is no way in hell I would want these lunatics having my private ballot on their personal phones.

We don't even know if they know who sent in the ballots or not, or what the republican party will do with the information they are gathering.

This will not stop me from voting again, to vote out those who IMO: have authorized invading my privacy of my vote. 

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
12.1.4  author  Ender  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @12.1.3    one week ago

This whole thing is just making a mockery of our system.

Sad really when the republicans will look the other way while this farce is going on.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
12.2  author  Ender  replied to  Thomas @12    one week ago

The whole thing is a joke and any 'findings' from them will be a joke as well.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
12.2.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Ender @12.2    one week ago
The whole thing is a joke and any 'findings' from them will be a joke as well.

I'd say considering the people authorizing and doing this recount the outcome was predestined from the get go and yes for the majority of Americas I think this will look like a desperately sad bad joke. 

Unfortunately, those who want to find irregularities when they emerge will be thrilled and I have little doubt there will be doubtful irregularities. Its almost a given considering that's exactly what the republican "searchers" want.