Atheists at the Creation Museum

  
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Atheists at the Creation Museum
I worry about how much damage this indoctrination house is doing.

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A way to virtually tour the Creation Museum and get a dose of Young Earth Creationism.   

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TᵢG
1  seeder  TᵢG    one month ago

What is scary is that about 10% of Americans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and have no problem with the idea of dinosaurs coexisting with human beings.   They would likely find the Creation Museum to be awesome.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @1    one month ago

It's also sad that taxpayers were forced to subsidize these lies.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1    one month ago
It's also sad that taxpayers were forced to subsidize these lies.

Sad and unconstitutional. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @1    one month ago

It's not just scary, it's also sad. And it reflects a sad commentary on this country, and especially on the 10% who actually believe that nonsense. Their completely brainwashed into thinking that nonsense is true and they outright reject anything that contradicts those beliefs. Not just scary and sad, but also intellectually lazy and dishonest!

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.1  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2    one month ago

I’m glad that the Creation Museum exists and that the Ark park is doing well enough to expand.  They are doing a great job reaffirming our creation and origins.  I’m also looking forward to my next trip to Washington DC so I can go to The Museum of the Bible.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.2.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.1    one month ago

Do not miss the opportunity to tour the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History and pay close attention.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.3  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.1    one month ago

You just affirmed my point.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.1    one month ago
I’m glad that the Creation Museum exists and that the Ark park is doing well enough to expand.

I hope you won't be surprised that no one is surprised to learn you're 100% in favor of this grift. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.2.5  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.2.4    one month ago

A certain 'truth' will be maintained no matter what.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.5    one month ago

And it "shall go marching on and on and on.........." 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.2    one month ago
Do not miss the opportunity to tour the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History and pay close attention.

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That could almost be called "death wishing" since I think XX might stroke out just walking through the door. 

 
 
 
luther28
2  luther28    one month ago

A way to virtually tour the Creation Museum and get a dose of Young Earth Creationism. 

Thank you Tig, but I'd rather not :)

On a serious note and not to cause you further angst, but your 10% calculation may be a bit low (although this data may be old ).

In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins - Gallup News


https://news.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx
Jun 2, 2014 - ... the origin and development of life on Earth has stayed roughly the same ... Manyreligious Americans accept creationism mostly on the basis of their religious convictions. ... education levels, but given the strong influence of religious beliefs, ... pretty much in their present form at one time 10,000 years ago, ...
It has been quite a while since I attended school, so this would cause me to wonder if Science is still taught in the classroom.
 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  luther28 @2    one month ago

Here is an analysis article:  Just How Many Young-Earth Creationists Are There in the U.S.? :

In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth. 

This analysis was based on an earlier version of the Gallup poll.

Regardless, this is very sad for the USA, right?   If 1 in 10 are hard core YECs (believe that everything is less than 10,000 years old) and 4 in 10 are creationists who believe God created human beings of whole cloth (denying evolution) less than 10,000 years ago we have a serious problem with religious indoctrination polluting contemporary education.

 
 
 
luther28
2.1.1  luther28  replied to  TᵢG @2.1    one month ago

I have always maintained that belief or lack of it is a personal matter that we all figure out along the way. Not something that should be force fed to one at an early age, if it is that good they'll figure it out at a later date, or not.

But I must say I do find it odd, but we live in a world of oddities.

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  luther28 @2.1.1    one month ago

Culture is critical not only for beliefs (information) but for the physical shaping of the mind.   Not only does indoctrination set kids on a path of ignorance, it physically impacts their brains.   For example (and this is just the most obvious example) the frontal lobe matures at about age 25.   Until that point, it is physically growing its structure based on the individual's environment.   It is sensory input (not genetics) and thus what is learned (vs. inherited) that affects what will become the central area for advanced reasoning in the adult brain.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  luther28 @2    one month ago
It has been quite a while since I attended school, so this would cause me to wonder if Science is still taught in the classroom.

I had biology when I was in 10th grade. That was.....quick deciphering....1977-78.

My teacher was an Old Earth Creationist, but a Creationist just the same. He had no business teaching high school biology. He also taught Social Studies and was a political animal. It was a very small school so teachers got moved around some. He finally went to another school and people were happy.

 
 
 
JBB
2.2.1  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2    one month ago

My high school biology teacher was a graduate of Abilene Bible College who did not believe a word in our text book, did not teach from it and advised us not to believe it, either. The school district, a small one, and the school board knew about this and so they must have approved. He also spent mostt days espousing racist conspiracy theories. I know that many parents did complain but to no avail. They wanted us indoctrinated not educated. This was in the early 70s. That teacher taught in that same school for over forty years giving generations of students a lifelong educational handicap...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @2.2.1    one month ago

It's amazing what small, rural schools can get away with.

And I grew up in PA. If people think you don't find bible thumpin' fundamentalists in PA, they should take a vacation there sometime.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.2    one month ago

The small town I grew up in and went to school on the AZ/Mexican border, the vast majority were traditionalists  who would have wanted to do with the current creationist theories. We did have one teacher they hired just out of college who had been a hippiein the mid to late 60's. To say that guy was odd for the times was a understatement. He had long hair and had socialist ideals. The school district made the mistake of letting him teach civics and social studies. He managed to piss off the other teachers, the principal, and most of the school board. He lasted about 6 months before being told his services were longer needed. Today, a guy like him would probably be awarded teacher of the year at some school in San Francisco, Chicago, or New York.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.3    one month ago
The school district made the mistake of letting him teach civics and social studies. He managed to piss off the other teachers, the principal, and most of the school board. He lasted about 6 months before being told his services were longer needed.

Ah, he tried to teach facts, then.  Kinda explains a lot for the comments you put up, though.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.4    one month ago

Your facts usually do not even come close to matching mine. Also the events I described took place in the late 60's early 70's. You and I obviously grew up in different areas on the country. You don't like my views and I don't care for yours but I have no problem with that. The big difference to me is that I sincerely respect your right to yours while you seem to have zero respect for others views who are at odds with yours. One only has to read your replies to people who you disagree with. You have a good day now.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.5    one month ago
Your facts usually do not even come close to matching mine.

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2    one month ago
He also taught Social Studies and was a political animal. It was a very small school so teachers got moved around some. He finally went to another school and people were happy.

I must have been "blessed" to have had a high school where I never had a teacher who used the classroom to push some kind of religious or political point of view.  Even retrospectively I can say that there really was a generally high level of scholasticism in the teaching staff.  That made it all the more startling to me when my kids went to schools where there teachers who felt free to promote their religious or political (Christian and conservative) ideas in the classroom.  I think the difference  must have had something to do both with changing times (a bit) but mostly from where the schools were located.  I grew up and went to school in a city and we raised our kids in small towns.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.7    one month ago

He really was the only one who pushed the religious bullshit. He threw me out of his class one day because I called him on his bullshit.

That was the day we were going dissect frogs, too, dammit!

 
 
 
Split Personality
3  Split Personality    one month ago

The subject of this nonsense always makes my brain hurt.

The oldest mummies are from Chile' well preserved in an absolutely arid condition for over 5,000 years and are now beginning to decay because of increased humidities blamed on climate change.

The issue is not climate change but the fact that they are still tissue and bone subject to microbial damage.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mummies-black-ooze-worlds-oldest-climate-change_n_6844916

Dinosaur fossils are made of stone and the bone to stone transformation takes millions and millions of years.

The creatures sank down into some body of water or tar, eventually loosing the soft fleshes allowing the bones to

become part of the plate tectonics and are eventually heaved up above the earth's

crust, only to be exposed by erosion or the luck of a miner.  The Andes and Himalayas have sea floor fossils at great heights.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/fossil2.htm

Ken Ham knows this and perpetuates this BS, because "the Bible tells him so".

No, Ken, the earth, the sun the moon and the other umpteen billion planets and suns

are not 6,000 years old. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Split Personality @3    one month ago

If people dismissed the Hams of the world (like we dismiss flat Earthers) then we would not have an issue.

But 10s of millions in the USA alone buy this nonsense.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @3.1    one month ago
But 10s of millions in the USA alone buy this nonsense

Could you imagine how religious conservatives would react if those running the Hogwarts theme park started to claim that J.K. Rowling is a prophet and that everything in her books was fact and they started it as such? In between howls of laughter would be howls of "Satan worshipers!" and "pagans!'... but react critically to their hilarious rendition of biblical fantasy and they react as if you just took a piss on the shroud of Turin.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.1    one month ago
J.K. Rowling is a prophet and that everything in her books was fact

You mean it's not?

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.1.3  Freefaller  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.1    one month ago
claim that J.K. Rowling is a prophet and that everything in her books was fact

Though I would have preferred Tolkien I'll join in.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.2    one month ago

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WallyW
3.2  WallyW  replied to  Split Personality @3    one month ago
The issue is not climate change but the fact that they are still tissue and bone subject to microbial damage.

Climate change or improper storage?

How much has have humidities gone up locally and globally?

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  WallyW @3.2    one month ago

Wally I can repair your comment so it's clear which part was a quote and which part are your comments

butt, I cannot read the link for you.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mummies-black-ooze-worlds-oldest-climate-change_n_6844916

 
 
 
Freefaller
4  Freefaller    one month ago

As I've mentioned before I visited the Creation Museum a number of years ago and to it's credit it is funnier than most comedies I've seen.  Be careful not to laugh too hard, mock too loudly or make staff/guests aware of facts, you will be kicked out

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freefaller @4    one month ago

You have just created a challenge, Sir

 
 
 
Freefaller
4.1.1  Freefaller  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1    one month ago

Lol go for itjrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Freefaller @4    one month ago
Be careful not to laugh too hard, mock too loudly or make staff/guests aware of facts, you will be kicked out

Challenge accepted!

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    one month ago

I think I'd fail that challenge before I even entered. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gordy327 @4.2.1    one month ago

I think I would to.  

 
 
 
Freefaller
4.2.3  Freefaller  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    one month ago
Challenge accepted!

Good luck to ya, let us know how it goes

 
 
 
TᵢG
5  seeder  TᵢG    one month ago

I could not go there, I would not be able to observe that much disinformation and remain silent.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @5    one month ago

Let's go together. You make snide comments and I'll giggle

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    one month ago

We probably would not last 15 minutes.   

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.1    one month ago

What is with you guys and your challenges today?

 
 
 
Gordy327
5.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.1    one month ago

I give you guys 5 minutes. jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gordy327 @5.1.3    one month ago

I think we can last 15 minutes and 45 seconds

 
 
 
Gordy327
5.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.4    one month ago

You're an optimist, Lol

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.4    one month ago

Puhleeze.

You wouldn't make it 30 seconds past the entrance.  You'd crack up and get frog-marched right back out.

 
 
 
charger 383
5.1.7  charger 383  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.6    one month ago

then they could say they were thrown off the ark

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.6    one month ago

Well!

Y'all are putting this in my head and now I won't be able to walk in without cracking up.

 
 
 
Freefaller
5.2  Freefaller  replied to  TᵢG @5    one month ago

Oh we were not silent, just careful.

 
 
 
Ender
6  Ender    one month ago

The baby dino with the saddle.

Hahaha

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7  Trout Giggles    one month ago

Ok...just look at the teeth on that T-Rex. Those teeth are not for mashing plant matter. Those teeth are for ripping and tearing of flesh.

Flesh.....it's what men are made of.

 
 
 
Gordy327
7.1  Gordy327  replied to  Trout Giggles @7    one month ago

No no, don't you know T-Rex''s only gothe their teeth and became carnivores after the Ark landed? Yes, I actually heard that. So according to YEC "logic" (I use the term extremely loosely here), dinosaurs magically switched from herbivores to carnivores. That is their level of mentality we're dealing with.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gordy327 @7.1    one month ago

Poor TiG. His head is hurting from all of this:

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Gordy327
7.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.1    one month ago

He's not the only one.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Gordy327 @7.1.2    one month ago

they don't believe in evolution but they believe that herbivores spouted fangs and became carnivores over night ?????????

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TᵢG
7.1.4  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.3    one month ago

The Bible ~must~ be true ... just ~~must~~ be!! 

I am actually quite serious.   I think much of the explanation for why people reject science (especially one of the most highly corroborated findings of science - biochemical evolution) and accept nonsense apologetics is because they are desperate to retain the Bible as divine.

If the Bible is not divine (in their worlds) their foundation of reason falls apart and that has got to be a scary thought.   Worse, if they lose their religion then the potential of death being final (the biggest fear of all, no doubt) must be faced.

I would encourage them to put down their Bibles, tell Ken Ham to take a hike, and spend their time exploring the awesomeness of the natural world.    Find God in nature, not in the biblical interpretations of a crackpot with an Australian accent.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.3    one month ago

With all this jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif I think we should all chip in for a large bottle of Advil

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.4    one month ago

What is so awful about there being nothing after death? It sounds like the perfect nap to me

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.7  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.6    one month ago

I have an answer for you.

The finality of death has two immediate downsides:

  1. It is scary to lose the ability to be alive (to be forced to leave the party which will go on after you are gone)
  2. It is sad to never ever be able to engage someone who has died

Afterlife makes everything better.   

Death is no longer a pure bummer because those who follow the specific rules of the religious authorities will be granted by God a life after death that is cooler than anything anyone can imagine — making life on Earth seem like Hell in comparison.

Further, you get to see grandma again.  She really was not gone forever, but waiting for you to eventually come to her.

This is an awesome offer.   No wonder people signed on to this program.   And then for those who were reluctant, well, there is another little tidbit of information to encourage them.   If you do not sign on to this program you will spend eternity in Hell being burned alive and tortured every second forever.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.7    one month ago

I'd rather see my dogs and cats than Grandma.

But, yeah, I see how they get people over that eternity spent worshipping God...threaten with eternal hell fire. I guess worshipping God for an eternity would be better than being stabbed with pitchforks and burning forever.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.9  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.8    one month ago

I do not think our pets have the eternity option.   Might need to read the contract.  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

To me it is obvious why this sort of proposal / threat worked so well with our ancestors.   These are people who lived their lives subjected to powerful forces that they simply have no means to understand.   Everything from thunderstorms to disease proves to them that something more powerful exists and that it needs to be appeased.

What is not obvious to me is why in 2019 this iron age sales pitch remains effective.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.9    one month ago
I do not think our pets have the eternity option. 

Then there is absolutely no point in going to heaven

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
7.1.11  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.10    one month ago

I believe it was dslsca who said, "If my dog isn't going to be in heaven, then I don't want to go."  Or something similar.

 
 
 
charger 383
7.1.12  charger 383  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.10    one month ago

I don't care about the Purley Gates, but show me the Rainbow Bridge is real I'll go to Church

 
 
 
JBB
7.1.13  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.12    one month ago

I believe the The Council of Angels finally overcame their historic prejudice against dogs and cats in 1995 giving them full access to Heaven. Sadly though our porcine, poultry and bovine friends are still fighting for full equality and equal access. The only way they can gain entrance is through the kitchen. The Big Guy is still adamant though that snakes, insects, lizards, spiders and republicans are still irrevocably banned forever and evermore. 

Of course, with God being a Sperm Whale those dang uppity dolphins have always thought they were somehow "Special"... In His Eye. They are the ones keeping eels, turtles and fishes tied to the yoke of bondage and eternal suffering. So, the struggle continues...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @7.1.13    one month ago

I have no problem with snakes, lizards, and spiders. But if I see one damn scorpion in Heaven....I am so outta there!

 
 
 
JBB
7.1.15  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.14    one month ago

Well then, can we all just agree that scorpions and republicans are OUT?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @7.1.15    one month ago

But not all Republicans are scorpions. Scorpions must be scourged from the Earth. I won't say that about all Republicans

 
 
 
Kavika
8  Kavika     one month ago

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Gordy327
8.1  Gordy327  replied to  Kavika @8    one month ago

Talk about a grade A scam job. Nevermind the gullible who actually pay to see this and  buy into it.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Kavika @8    one month ago

I always wondered why God needs anything, but especially money.  

Thankfully, George Carlin answered this question for me.  God is thoroughly inept starting with creation down to the inability to handle money.

This video always makes me smile.

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2    one month ago

Classic Carlin. I like that bit too.

 
 
 
JBB
9  JBB    one month ago

Americans believing The Flintstones is a documentary means Idiocracy is also...

 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1  Gordy327  replied to  JBB @9    one month ago

Idiocracy is already here and prevalent. There are few things (if any) more idiotic than creationist BS.

 
 
 
JBB
9.1.1  JBB  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1    one month ago

Word...

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1    one month ago

Funny thing, I saw a segment on Ham's talk show where Ken Ham of AiG and cohorts were ridiculing flat Earthers for their silly beliefs and rejection of basic science.

 
 
 
Freefaller
9.1.3  Freefaller  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.2    one month ago

LMAO I do love the irony of that

 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @9.1.3    one month ago

Irony indeed. It's too funny.

 
 
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