What is scary is that about 10% of Americans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and have no problem with the idea of dinosaurs coexisting with human beings. They would likely find the Creation Museum to be awesome.
It's not just scary, it's also sad. And it reflects a sad commentary on this country, and especially on the 10% who actually believe that nonsense. Their completely brainwashed into thinking that nonsense is true and they outright reject anything that contradicts those beliefs. Not just scary and sad, but also intellectually lazy and dishonest!
I’m glad that the Creation Museum exists and that the Ark park is doing well enough to expand. They are doing a great job reaffirming our creation and origins. I’m also looking forward to my next trip to Washington DC so I can go to The Museum of the Bible.
A way to virtually tour the Creation Museum and get a dose of Young Earth Creationism.
Thank you Tig, but I'd rather not
On a serious note and not to cause you further angst, but your 10% calculation may be a bit low (although this data may be old ).
In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins - Gallup News
Jun 2, 2014 - ... the origin and development of life on Earth has stayed roughly the same ... Many religious Americans accept creationism mostly on the basis of their religious convictions. ... education levels, but given the strong influence of religious beliefs, ... pretty much in their present form at one time 10,000 years ago , ...
It has been quite a while since I attended school, so this would cause me to wonder if Science is still taught in the classroom.
In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth.
This analysis was based on an earlier version of the Gallup poll.
Regardless, this is very sad for the USA, right? If 1 in 10 are hard core YECs (believe that everything is less than 10,000 years old) and 4 in 10 are creationists who believe God created human beings of whole cloth (denying evolution) less than 10,000 years ago we have a serious problem with religious indoctrination polluting contemporary education.
I have always maintained that belief or lack of it is a personal matter that we all figure out along the way. Not something that should be force fed to one at an early age, if it is that good they'll figure it out at a later date, or not.
But I must say I do find it odd, but we live in a world of oddities.
Culture is critical not only for beliefs (information) but for the physical shaping of the mind. Not only does indoctrination set kids on a path of ignorance, it physically impacts their brains. For example (and this is just the most obvious example) the frontal lobe matures at about age 25. Until that point, it is physically growing its structure based on the individual's environment. It is sensory input (not genetics) and thus what is learned (vs. inherited) that affects what will become the central area for advanced reasoning in the adult brain.
It has been quite a while since I attended school, so this would cause me to wonder if Science is still taught in the classroom.
I had biology when I was in 10th grade. That was.....quick deciphering....1977-78.
My teacher was an Old Earth Creationist, but a Creationist just the same. He had no business teaching high school biology. He also taught Social Studies and was a political animal. It was a very small school so teachers got moved around some. He finally went to another school and people were happy.
My high school biology teacher was a graduate of Abilene Bible College who did not believe a word in our text book, did not teach from it and advised us not to believe it, either. The school district, a small one, and the school board knew about this and so they must have approved. He also spent mostt days espousing racist conspiracy theories. I know that many parents did complain but to no avail. They wanted us indoctrinated not educated. This was in the early 70s. That teacher taught in that same school for over forty years giving generations of students a lifelong educational handicap...
The small town I grew up in and went to school on the AZ/Mexican border, the vast majority were traditionalists who would have wanted to do with the current creationist theories. We did have one teacher they hired just out of college who had been a hippiein the mid to late 60's. To say that guy was odd for the times was a understatement. He had long hair and had socialist ideals. The school district made the mistake of letting him teach civics and social studies. He managed to piss off the other teachers, the principal, and most of the school board. He lasted about 6 months before being told his services were longer needed. Today, a guy like him would probably be awarded teacher of the year at some school in San Francisco, Chicago, or New York.
The school district made the mistake of letting him teach civics and social studies. He managed to piss off the other teachers, the principal, and most of the school board. He lasted about 6 months before being told his services were longer needed.
Ah, he tried to teach facts, then. Kinda explains a lot for the comments you put up, though.
Your facts usually do not even come close to matching mine. Also the events I described took place in the late 60's early 70's. You and I obviously grew up in different areas on the country. You don't like my views and I don't care for yours but I have no problem with that. The big difference to me is that I sincerely respect your right to yours while you seem to have zero respect for others views who are at odds with yours. One only has to read your replies to people who you disagree with. You have a good day now.
He also taught Social Studies and was a political animal. It was a very small school so teachers got moved around some. He finally went to another school and people were happy.
I must have been "blessed" to have had a high school where I never had a teacher who used the classroom to push some kind of religious or political point of view. Even retrospectively I can say that there really was a generally high level of scholasticism in the teaching staff. That made it all the more startling to me when my kids went to schools where there teachers who felt free to promote their religious or political (Christian and conservative) ideas in the classroom. I think the difference must have had something to do both with changing times (a bit) but mostly from where the schools were located. I grew up and went to school in a city and we raised our kids in small towns.
The subject of this nonsense always makes my brain hurt.
The oldest mummies are from Chile' well preserved in an absolutely arid condition for over 5,000 years and are now beginning to decay because of increased humidities blamed on climate change.
The issue is not climate change but the fact that they are still tissue and bone subject to microbial damage.
Dinosaur fossils are made of stone and the bone to stone transformation takes millions and millions of years.
The creatures sank down into some body of water or tar, eventually loosing the soft fleshes allowing the bones to
become part of the plate tectonics and are eventually heaved up above the earth's
crust, only to be exposed by erosion or the luck of a miner. The Andes and Himalayas have sea floor fossils at great heights.
Ken Ham knows this and perpetuates this BS, because "the Bible tells him so".
No, Ken, the earth, the sun the moon and the other umpteen billion planets and suns
But 10s of millions in the USA alone buy this nonsense
Could you imagine how religious conservatives would react if those running the Hogwarts theme park started to claim that J.K. Rowling is a prophet and that everything in her books was fact and they started it as such? In between howls of laughter would be howls of "Satan worshipers!" and "pagans!'... but react critically to their hilarious rendition of biblical fantasy and they react as if you just took a piss on the shroud of Turin.
As I've mentioned before I visited the Creation Museum a number of years ago and to it's credit it is funnier than most comedies I've seen. Be careful not to laugh too hard, mock too loudly or make staff/guests aware of facts, you will be kicked out
No no, don't you know T-Rex''s only gothe their teeth and became carnivores after the Ark landed? Yes, I actually heard that. So according to YEC "logic" (I use the term extremely loosely here), dinosaurs magically switched from herbivores to carnivores. That is their level of mentality we're dealing with.
I am actually quite serious. I think much of the explanation for why people reject science (especially one of the most highly corroborated findings of science - biochemical evolution) and accept nonsense apologetics is because they are desperate to retain the Bible as divine.
If the Bible is not divine (in their worlds) their foundation of reason falls apart and that has got to be a scary thought. Worse, if they lose their religion then the potential of death being final (the biggest fear of all, no doubt) must be faced.
I would encourage them to put down their Bibles, tell Ken Ham to take a hike, and spend their time exploring the awesomeness of the natural world. Find God in nature, not in the biblical interpretations of a crackpot with an Australian accent.
The finality of death has two immediate downsides:
It is scary to lose the ability to be alive (to be forced to leave the party which will go on after you are gone)
It is sad to never ever be able to engage someone who has died
Afterlife makes everything better.
Death is no longer a pure bummer because those who follow the specific rules of the religious authorities will be granted by God a life after death that is cooler than anything anyone can imagine — making life on Earth seem like Hell in comparison.
Further, you get to see grandma again. She really was not gone forever, but waiting for you to eventually come to her.
This is an awesome offer. No wonder people signed on to this program. And then for those who were reluctant, well, there is another little tidbit of information to encourage them. If you do not sign on to this program you will spend eternity in Hell being burned alive and tortured every second forever.
But, yeah, I see how they get people over that eternity spent worshipping God...threaten with eternal hell fire. I guess worshipping God for an eternity would be better than being stabbed with pitchforks and burning forever.
I do not think our pets have the eternity option. Might need to read the contract.
To me it is obvious why this sort of proposal / threat worked so well with our ancestors. These are people who lived their lives subjected to powerful forces that they simply have no means to understand. Everything from thunderstorms to disease proves to them that something more powerful exists and that it needs to be appeased.
What is not obvious to me is why in 2019 this iron age sales pitch remains effective.
I believe the The Council of Angels finally overcame their historic prejudice against dogs and cats in 1995 giving them full access to Heaven. Sadly though our porcine, poultry and bovine friends are still fighting for full equality and equal access. The only way they can gain entrance is through the kitchen. The Big Guy is still adamant though that snakes, insects, lizards, spiders and republicans are still irrevocably banned forever and evermore.
Of course, with God being a Sperm Whale those dang uppity dolphins have always thought they were somehow "Special"... In His Eye. They are the ones keeping eels, turtles and fishes tied to the yoke of bondage and eternal suffering. So, the struggle continues...
Funny thing, I saw a segment on Ham's talk show where Ken Ham of AiG and cohorts were ridiculing flat Earthers for their silly beliefs and rejection of basic science.
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What is scary is that about 10% of Americans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and have no problem with the idea of dinosaurs coexisting with human beings. They would likely find the Creation Museum to be awesome.
It's also sad that taxpayers were forced to subsidize these lies.
Sad and unconstitutional.
It's not just scary, it's also sad. And it reflects a sad commentary on this country, and especially on the 10% who actually believe that nonsense. Their completely brainwashed into thinking that nonsense is true and they outright reject anything that contradicts those beliefs. Not just scary and sad, but also intellectually lazy and dishonest!
I’m glad that the Creation Museum exists and that the Ark park is doing well enough to expand. They are doing a great job reaffirming our creation and origins. I’m also looking forward to my next trip to Washington DC so I can go to The Museum of the Bible.
Do not miss the opportunity to tour the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History and pay close attention.
You just affirmed my point.
I hope you won't be surprised that no one is surprised to learn you're 100% in favor of this grift.
A certain 'truth' will be maintained no matter what.
And it "shall go marching on and on and on.........."
That could almost be called "death wishing" since I think XX might stroke out just walking through the door.
A way to virtually tour the Creation Museum and get a dose of Young Earth Creationism.
Thank you Tig, but I'd rather not
On a serious note and not to cause you further angst, but your 10% calculation may be a bit low (although this data may be old ).
In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins - Gallup News
Here is an analysis article: Just How Many Young-Earth Creationists Are There in the U.S.? :
This analysis was based on an earlier version of the Gallup poll.
Regardless, this is very sad for the USA, right? If 1 in 10 are hard core YECs (believe that everything is less than 10,000 years old) and 4 in 10 are creationists who believe God created human beings of whole cloth (denying evolution) less than 10,000 years ago we have a serious problem with religious indoctrination polluting contemporary education.
I have always maintained that belief or lack of it is a personal matter that we all figure out along the way. Not something that should be force fed to one at an early age, if it is that good they'll figure it out at a later date, or not.
But I must say I do find it odd, but we live in a world of oddities.
Culture is critical not only for beliefs (information) but for the physical shaping of the mind. Not only does indoctrination set kids on a path of ignorance, it physically impacts their brains. For example (and this is just the most obvious example) the frontal lobe matures at about age 25. Until that point, it is physically growing its structure based on the individual's environment. It is sensory input (not genetics) and thus what is learned (vs. inherited) that affects what will become the central area for advanced reasoning in the adult brain.
I had biology when I was in 10th grade. That was.....quick deciphering....1977-78.
My teacher was an Old Earth Creationist, but a Creationist just the same. He had no business teaching high school biology. He also taught Social Studies and was a political animal. It was a very small school so teachers got moved around some. He finally went to another school and people were happy.
My high school biology teacher was a graduate of Abilene Bible College who did not believe a word in our text book, did not teach from it and advised us not to believe it, either. The school district, a small one, and the school board knew about this and so they must have approved. He also spent mostt days espousing racist conspiracy theories. I know that many parents did complain but to no avail. They wanted us indoctrinated not educated. This was in the early 70s. That teacher taught in that same school for over forty years giving generations of students a lifelong educational handicap...
It's amazing what small, rural schools can get away with.
And I grew up in PA. If people think you don't find bible thumpin' fundamentalists in PA, they should take a vacation there sometime.
The small town I grew up in and went to school on the AZ/Mexican border, the vast majority were traditionalists who would have wanted to do with the current creationist theories. We did have one teacher they hired just out of college who had been a hippiein the mid to late 60's. To say that guy was odd for the times was a understatement. He had long hair and had socialist ideals. The school district made the mistake of letting him teach civics and social studies. He managed to piss off the other teachers, the principal, and most of the school board. He lasted about 6 months before being told his services were longer needed. Today, a guy like him would probably be awarded teacher of the year at some school in San Francisco, Chicago, or New York.
Ah, he tried to teach facts, then. Kinda explains a lot for the comments you put up, though.
Your facts usually do not even come close to matching mine. Also the events I described took place in the late 60's early 70's. You and I obviously grew up in different areas on the country. You don't like my views and I don't care for yours but I have no problem with that. The big difference to me is that I sincerely respect your right to yours while you seem to have zero respect for others views who are at odds with yours. One only has to read your replies to people who you disagree with. You have a good day now.
I must have been "blessed" to have had a high school where I never had a teacher who used the classroom to push some kind of religious or political point of view. Even retrospectively I can say that there really was a generally high level of scholasticism in the teaching staff. That made it all the more startling to me when my kids went to schools where there teachers who felt free to promote their religious or political (Christian and conservative) ideas in the classroom. I think the difference must have had something to do both with changing times (a bit) but mostly from where the schools were located. I grew up and went to school in a city and we raised our kids in small towns.
He really was the only one who pushed the religious bullshit. He threw me out of his class one day because I called him on his bullshit.
That was the day we were going dissect frogs, too, dammit!
The subject of this nonsense always makes my brain hurt.
The oldest mummies are from Chile' well preserved in an absolutely arid condition for over 5,000 years and are now beginning to decay because of increased humidities blamed on climate change.
The issue is not climate change but the fact that they are still tissue and bone subject to microbial damage.
Dinosaur fossils are made of stone and the bone to stone transformation takes millions and millions of years.
The creatures sank down into some body of water or tar, eventually loosing the soft fleshes allowing the bones to
become part of the plate tectonics and are eventually heaved up above the earth's
crust, only to be exposed by erosion or the luck of a miner. The Andes and Himalayas have sea floor fossils at great heights.
Ken Ham knows this and perpetuates this BS, because "the Bible tells him so".
No, Ken, the earth, the sun the moon and the other umpteen billion planets and suns
are not 6,000 years old.
If people dismissed the Hams of the world (like we dismiss flat Earthers) then we would not have an issue.
But 10s of millions in the USA alone buy this nonsense.
Could you imagine how religious conservatives would react if those running the Hogwarts theme park started to claim that J.K. Rowling is a prophet and that everything in her books was fact and they started it as such? In between howls of laughter would be howls of "Satan worshipers!" and "pagans!'... but react critically to their hilarious rendition of biblical fantasy and they react as if you just took a piss on the shroud of Turin.
You mean it's not?
Though I would have preferred Tolkien I'll join in.
As I've mentioned before I visited the Creation Museum a number of years ago and to it's credit it is funnier than most comedies I've seen. Be careful not to laugh too hard, mock too loudly or make staff/guests aware of facts, you will be kicked out
You have just created a challenge, Sir
Lol go for it
Challenge accepted!
I think I'd fail that challenge before I even entered.
I think I would to.
Good luck to ya, let us know how it goes
I could not go there, I would not be able to observe that much disinformation and remain silent.
Let's go together. You make snide comments and I'll giggle
We probably would not last 15 minutes.
What is with you guys and your challenges today?
I give you guys 5 minutes.
I think we can last 15 minutes and 45 seconds
You're an optimist, Lol
Puhleeze.
You wouldn't make it 30 seconds past the entrance. You'd crack up and get frog-marched right back out.
then they could say they were thrown off the ark
Well!
Y'all are putting this in my head and now I won't be able to walk in without cracking up.
Oh we were not silent, just careful.
The baby dino with the saddle.
Hahaha
Ok...just look at the teeth on that T-Rex. Those teeth are not for mashing plant matter. Those teeth are for ripping and tearing of flesh.
Flesh.....it's what men are made of.
No no, don't you know T-Rex''s only gothe their teeth and became carnivores after the Ark landed? Yes, I actually heard that. So according to YEC "logic" (I use the term extremely loosely here), dinosaurs magically switched from herbivores to carnivores. That is their level of mentality we're dealing with.
Poor TiG. His head is hurting from all of this:
He's not the only one.
they don't believe in evolution but they believe that herbivores spouted fangs and became carnivores over night ?????????
The Bible ~must~ be true ... just ~~must~~ be!!
I am actually quite serious. I think much of the explanation for why people reject science (especially one of the most highly corroborated findings of science - biochemical evolution) and accept nonsense apologetics is because they are desperate to retain the Bible as divine.
If the Bible is not divine (in their worlds) their foundation of reason falls apart and that has got to be a scary thought. Worse, if they lose their religion then the potential of death being final (the biggest fear of all, no doubt) must be faced.
I would encourage them to put down their Bibles, tell Ken Ham to take a hike, and spend their time exploring the awesomeness of the natural world. Find God in nature, not in the biblical interpretations of a crackpot with an Australian accent.
With all this
I think we should all chip in for a large bottle of Advil
What is so awful about there being nothing after death? It sounds like the perfect nap to me
I have an answer for you.
The finality of death has two immediate downsides:
Afterlife makes everything better.
Death is no longer a pure bummer because those who follow the specific rules of the religious authorities will be granted by God a life after death that is cooler than anything anyone can imagine — making life on Earth seem like Hell in comparison.
Further, you get to see grandma again. She really was not gone forever, but waiting for you to eventually come to her.
This is an awesome offer. No wonder people signed on to this program. And then for those who were reluctant, well, there is another little tidbit of information to encourage them. If you do not sign on to this program you will spend eternity in Hell being burned alive and tortured every second forever.
I'd rather see my dogs and cats than Grandma.
But, yeah, I see how they get people over that eternity spent worshipping God...threaten with eternal hell fire. I guess worshipping God for an eternity would be better than being stabbed with pitchforks and burning forever.
I do not think our pets have the eternity option. Might need to read the contract.
To me it is obvious why this sort of proposal / threat worked so well with our ancestors. These are people who lived their lives subjected to powerful forces that they simply have no means to understand. Everything from thunderstorms to disease proves to them that something more powerful exists and that it needs to be appeased.
What is not obvious to me is why in 2019 this iron age sales pitch remains effective.
Then there is absolutely no point in going to heaven
I believe it was dslsca who said, "If my dog isn't going to be in heaven, then I don't want to go." Or something similar.
I don't care about the Purley Gates, but show me the Rainbow Bridge is real I'll go to Church
I believe the The Council of Angels finally overcame their historic prejudice against dogs and cats in 1995 giving them full access to Heaven. Sadly though our porcine, poultry and bovine friends are still fighting for full equality and equal access. The only way they can gain entrance is through the kitchen. The Big Guy is still adamant though that snakes, insects, lizards, spiders and republicans are still irrevocably banned forever and evermore.
Of course, with God being a Sperm Whale those dang uppity dolphins have always thought they were somehow "Special"... In His Eye. They are the ones keeping eels, turtles and fishes tied to the yoke of bondage and eternal suffering. So, the struggle continues...
I have no problem with snakes, lizards, and spiders. But if I see one damn scorpion in Heaven....I am so outta there!
Well then, can we all just agree that scorpions and republicans are OUT?
But not all Republicans are scorpions. Scorpions must be scourged from the Earth. I won't say that about all Republicans
Talk about a grade A scam job. Nevermind the gullible who actually pay to see this and buy into it.
I always wondered why God needs anything, but especially money.
Thankfully, George Carlin answered this question for me. God is thoroughly inept starting with creation down to the inability to handle money.
This video always makes me smile.
Classic Carlin. I like that bit too.
Americans believing The Flintstones is a documentary means Idiocracy is also...
Idiocracy is already here and prevalent. There are few things (if any) more idiotic than creationist BS.
Word...
Funny thing, I saw a segment on Ham's talk show where Ken Ham of AiG and cohorts were ridiculing flat Earthers for their silly beliefs and rejection of basic science.
LMAO I do love the irony of that
Irony indeed. It's too funny.