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Live - Engoron Watch - Disgorgement Day - Feb 16, 2024

  
By:  JBB  •  Politics  •  2 months ago  •  132 comments

Live - Engoron Watch - Disgorgement Day - Feb 16, 2024
"This Is Gonna Burn" - JBB

A judgement against Donald Trump and Company in his and his children's civil fraud trial in New York is expected to be rendered today. Judge Engoron's decision could include fines of up to a half billion dollars, a permanent ban on doing any business in New York and the disgorgement of all of Trump's business assets in the state of New York. Updates will be available throughout the day as additional information becomes available. So, stay tuned...

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JBB
Professor Principal
1  author  JBB    2 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1    2 months ago

no wonder the orange menace is going after the RNC bank accounts...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  JBB  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 months ago

"I will gladly pay you next year for a half billion dollars today".

An IOU, From Hell...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    2 months ago
I will gladly pay you next year for a half billion dollars today".

Bidenomics in a nutshell

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.2    2 months ago

No, that is Trump to Putin's banks after this JUDGEMENT!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1    2 months ago

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2  Ronin2    2 months ago

Leftist judges proving again they don't care about the rule of law.

This is the same idiot that thinks Mar-a-Lago is only a fraction of what it is.

A New York judge ruled last week that former President Donald Trump inflated the value of his Mar-a-Lago estate by an eye-popping 2,300%.

That finding, part of   shocking ruling that found Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud,   was just one of multiple examples in which Judge Arthur Engoron found the Trump real estate empire to have been grossly inflated in value.

But the Mar-a-Lago finding in particular is raising eyebrows among real estate and legal experts because of the metric Judge Engoron relied on: the county tax assessor’s appraisal value.

“From 2011-2021, the Palm Beach County Assessor appraised the market value of Mar-a-Lago at between $18 million and $27.6 million,” Engoron wrote in   his ruling .

The judge noted Trump valued Mar-a-Lago at between $426.5 million and $612 million, “an overvaluation of at least 2,300%, compared to the assessor’s appraisal.”

But it’s widely known that the tax assessor valuation is typically, though not always, less than what a property would command on the open market.

In other words, it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison.

“Appraisal values and market values are just not the same thing. It’s a well-known fact,” said Eli Beracha, chair of the school of real estate at Florida International University. “That’s especially true for properties that are unique. And it’s very easy to argue this is a unique property.”

Dina Goldentayer, executive director of sales at Douglas Elliman in South Florida, said in her experience in the ultra-luxury marketplace the tax assessor’s valuation isn’t considered when trying to value a property.

“He wouldn’t make a very good realtor,” Goldentayer said of the judge. “It’s so widely known that it’s not an accurate determination of market value.”

Goldentayer added, “If there is a ranking as to what would have the lowest valuation, it’s the tax assessor’s office, followed by Zillow and then the realtor’s valuation is the highest.”

It’s not correct to assume that a tax assessment and market value are the same thing, according to Jonathan Miller, president and CEO of Miller Samuel Inc., a real estate appraisal company in New York City.

“They can be, in some markets they are the same thing, but in most others they are not,” Miller said.

But when the goal is to get a predetermined guilty verdict against Trump- laws, ethics, and morality don't matter in leftist land.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1  author  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @2    2 months ago

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Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @2    2 months ago
“He wouldn’t make a very good realtor,” Goldentayer said of the judge. “It’s so widely known that it’s not an accurate determination of market value.”

Because realtors believe in location, location, location and the highest bidder. 

The highest bidder isn't always playing with a full deck either.  

A property my company just had to have 10 years ago, they won a bidding war and paid 10 plus million.

Today it sits empty with an asking price of $400K.

Most Realtors are gamblers not accountants.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Split Personality @2.2    2 months ago

But Mar o Lardo has a gold toilet.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @2.2.1    2 months ago

Probably more than one ;)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2.2.1    2 months ago

I think all the fat turd's residences have gold toilets.  I mean, he's so classy.  jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.3    2 months ago

ceramic isn't sturdy enough for what he's used to dropping into it...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.3  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @2    2 months ago

trump can't find a lender to appeal the $88 million e jean carroll judgement now, where's he going to find another $355 million to appeal this judgement? looks like his gullible sycophants will be digging real deep into their pockets.... suckers!!!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3  Split Personality    2 months ago

It will be interesting to see what the FMV of some of these assets are compared to what Trump Org claimed they were worth as collateral or their tax basis if TO is forced to sell them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @3    2 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3    2 months ago
It will be interesting to see what the FMV of some of these assets are compared to what Trump Org claimed they were worth

we'll soon find out when trumpco is forced to liquidate...

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Igknorantzruls
Freshman Silent
3.3  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Split Personality @3    2 months ago
or their tax basis if TO is forced to sell them.

does TO stand for Torn Orafice ..?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4  author  JBB    2 months ago

Anticipation...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1  devangelical  replied to  JBB @4    2 months ago

it just came down. I believe the figure was around $364 million total, $355 million all on trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @4.1    2 months ago

That's fucking awesome.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.1    2 months ago

Happy Disgorgement Day!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    2 months ago

Disgorgement - sounds like what comes out of his big stupid mouth every damned day.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.4  author  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.3    2 months ago

original

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.2  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @4    2 months ago

TO is ordered to pay New York $364 million

Order to rescind business licenses is withdrawn.

Businesses will continue to operate but under the oversight of a Federal Judge

who will work with the Compliance officers TO will be forced to hire.

Eric and Don Jr banned from doing business in NY for 2 years.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Gsquared  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    2 months ago

I'm hearing now that the amount is $355 million.  Trump is banned from operating a business in NY for 3 years and he is banned from taking out a loan.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    2 months ago

he's in over half a billion in fines cumulative now. looks like there's going to be a yard sale on 5th avenue soon...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @4.2.2    2 months ago

awesome, absolutely awesome

I wonder how much a gold toilet is worth

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @4.2.1    2 months ago

trump's 2 mentally defective sons got hit at $4 million each and weisselberg at $1 million if I heard it right...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.3    2 months ago

the one under his nose? about $1.38...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.2.6  Gsquared  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    2 months ago

Oh, the $364 million was against Trump and sons with the award against Trump alone at $355 million.  Those are nice numbers.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2.7  author  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.3    2 months ago

original

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @4.2.7    2 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.9  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    2 months ago
Eric and Don Jr banned from doing business in NY for 2 years.

heh, like either have ever been allowed to make an actual trumpco business decision...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5  Gsquared    2 months ago

$355,000,000

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @5    2 months ago

... and the commercial real estate business is in the shitter now. LOL!!!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  devangelical @5.1    2 months ago

$355,000,000 + $83,000,000 + $5,000,000 =

$443,000,000

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  devangelical @5.1    2 months ago

ummm no it isn't

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.2    2 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.1.3    2 months ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago

Okay, who gets the money? Think about that shit for a minute.....................it surely isn't the banks or insurance companies as they didn't file charges and got paid back. They had no qualms with DJT 

This was a fucking witch hunt pure and simple designed to discredit Trump period.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6    2 months ago
This was a fucking witch hunt pure and simple designed to discredit Trump period.

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @6.1    2 months ago

The defense of the indefensible is unfuckingreal.

And the former traitor 'president' turd is innocent of all the crimes against it.

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devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    2 months ago

yeah, despite all the documented evidence of him to the contrary. so far...

  • sexual abuse
  • defamation
  • fraud
 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.3  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.1.2    2 months ago

... 4 criminal trials to go.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.4  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.1.3    2 months ago

91 federal charges, and the least of them is 3-5 years at club fed...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2  Gsquared  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6    2 months ago

Trump discredited himself.  It's entirely his own fault despite what the Trump apologists want to pretend.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Gsquared @6.2    2 months ago

Point is, not a fucking person or business or bank or anything was hurt. Except feelings of the jealous. It's bullshit. Glad you are all giddy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Gsquared @6.2    2 months ago
Trump discredited himself. 

There isnt a MAGA alive who cares about Trump discrediting himself. That is what makes them MAGA. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2.3  Gsquared  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.1    2 months ago

If Trump hadn't used fraudulent financial statements the banks would have charged higher interest rates, thus they were defrauded.  Futhermore, the NY statute doesn't require a victim that suffered a loss.  The act of committing fraud is what the statute was designed to punish and deter.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.3    2 months ago
If Trump hadn't used fraudulent financial statements the banks would have charged higher interest rates, thus they were defrauded

And they didn't give a fuck cuz they got paid. Period.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.1    2 months ago

The State of New York was defrauded of tax revenues.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.5    2 months ago

How the fuck do you figure that? They, like the banks, didn't exercise due diligence and a valuation of the properties. I buy a house or refi, they demand an appraisal. If they didn't do it, it is on them. Here in NC, I don't get to tell the state what I think my property is worth for tax OR mortgage consideration. If anything, the citizens of NY should sue the government..

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.6    2 months ago

you must have gotten your law degree at trumpturd u - that's where it looks like all the former 'president's' attorneys got theirs.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.7    2 months ago

Obviously you still rent

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.8    2 months ago

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evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.10  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.1    2 months ago
Point is, not a fucking person or business or bank or anything was hurt.

Irrelevant.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.9    2 months ago

If you can deny what I said in 6.2.6, you don't know shit about what I am referring to

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.12  devangelical  replied to  evilone @6.2.10    2 months ago

it's the lenders fault that trump is a fraud...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2.13  Gsquared  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.4    2 months ago

Sure  they're happy that the deadbeat paid them, but you seem convinced that they wouldn't prefer to have been paid commensurate with the risk they actually assumed.  Maybe that's how you run your business...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.6    2 months ago

Why didn't the Judge contact you on the matter with all of your expertise and all?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.13    2 months ago
but you seem convinced that they wouldn't prefer to have been paid commensurate with the risk they actually assumed.

Then why in hell didn't they jump on the bandwagon in this frivolous bullshit? They didn't. They obviously didn't feel as though they were defrauded. So the treasury of NY gets all the money. I am sure they need it. Times 1000

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.2.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.5    2 months ago

LOL,

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.17  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.15    2 months ago
They obviously didn't feel as though they were defrauded.

they shouldn't hesitate loaning him more money for his appeals then, will they?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2.18  Gsquared  replied to  devangelical @6.2.17    2 months ago

They can't.  Part of the ruling is that Trump can't take out a loan.  Too bad.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.19  bugsy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.1    2 months ago
Glad you are all giddy.
I can't wait until the appeals court overturns this verdict. The wailing at the skies by these same leftists will be deafening.
Trump, in the meantime, will pay nothing....and they know it.
 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.20  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.18    2 months ago

the appointed business monitor is still missing trump's $48 million loan to himself and his IRS audit may now be coming to an end soon...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
6.2.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.15    2 months ago
So the treasury of NY gets all the money.

Paying for illegals is not cheap.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2.22  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @6.2.19    2 months ago

It's going to be a great day for justice in America when the appeals court affirms this verdict.  The pharmacies are going to run out of butt cream for all the butt hurt right wingers, though.

Trump... will pay nothing

Of course not.  His cultists will pay for him.  They always do.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.23  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.22    2 months ago
His cultists will pay for him.  They always do.

more suckers and losers...

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @6.2.23    2 months ago

Where do they find it after the lottery tickets, beer, cigarettes, and meth?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.24    2 months ago

out of their trailer parks or mommy's basement

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
6.2.26  MrFrost  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.1    2 months ago
Point is, not a fucking person or business or bank or anything was hurt.

It's still ILLEGAL, JIM! 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.27  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @6.2.26    2 months ago

the very definition of "white collar crime"...

"victimless" crime is still illegal.

The funds that Trump tied up were not available to others.

The favorable interest rates that Trump negotiated lowered the profits to the banks

which in turn caused them to raise rates on other unsuspecting borrowers.

Borrowing money to purchase a property is the definition of a mortgage;

including clauses that prevented the banks from reporting the loan ( Mar a Lago )

is illegal, but the greedy bank went along with it.  Again, illegal.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.28  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.6    2 months ago
Here in NC, I don't get to tell the state what I think my property is worth for tax OR mortgage consideration.

Exactly, but Trump did.  Maybe it was the celebrity, maybe it was the commissions and bonuses.

I don't believe this is over for Deutsche Bank yet either. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.2.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.27    2 months ago
he very definition of "white collar crime"...

No white collar crime has a victim. 

e funds that Trump tied up were not available to others.

How did he "tie up" funds?  The bank did their research, judge Trump qualified based on their own due diligence and gave him a loan that he paid back. T

avorable interest rates that Trump negotiated lowered the profits to the banks which in turn caused them to raise rates on other unsuspecting borrowers

You are literally making shit up. The banks testified to nothing that  remotely that supports your flights of fancy. .  They "lowered"  the interest rate because of THEIR OWN assessment of the value of the collateral. 

The problem with everything you've said is the banks testified and said nothing of the sort.  But by all means provide any actual evidence from the banks supporting your silliness. 

s illegal, but the greedy bank went along with it.  Again, illegal.

Wow! All this illegality and not a single indictment.  Crazy how the Feds and state of New York all missed this in their all encompassing drive to get Trump. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.30  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2.29    2 months ago

It really doesn't matter, Sean. The verdict will almost certainly be overturned at best, or the fine reduced dramatically at worst.

The DA and judge did what they were sent out to do. The judge's decision was made before the trial even started.

To get Trump at all costs

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2.31  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @6.2.30    2 months ago
The verdict will almost certainly be overturned at best, or the fine reduced dramatically at worst.

Most likely not as to either scenario.  According to the knowledgeable and experienced appellate experts opining on this matter, the verdict is almost certainly appeal proof. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.32  Split Personality  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.31    2 months ago

In order to appeal this, Trump would have to deposit 125% with the court within 30 days.

Probably not happening.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.33  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.31    2 months ago
According to the knowledgeable and experienced appellate experts opining on this matter,

Who would that be?

The first court to hear this appeal was also elected by the same people that voted for these radical judges and DAs, however the process won't stop there. Eventually a court will overturn it. You can take that to the bank. The point is James and judge Engoron don't care. They want to do whatever damage they can before the election.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.34  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.33    2 months ago
Eventually a court will overturn it. You can take that to the bank.

So noted.

The probability is the same as Trump selling Mar A Lago for a $Billion in spite

of two restrictions, one that prevents it from being a private residence instead of a social club

and the other that designates it a historical site to perpetuity.

Both easements were sought by Trump to lower his  taxes.

Who knows though, if he wins again, it could be the new Trump library, he will direct the RNC to buy it from him

apparently already stocked with hundreds of boxes of "memorabilia".

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Freshman Silent
6.2.35  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.34    2 months ago
pparently already stocked with hundreds of boxes of "memorabilia".

nicely done !

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.36  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.11    2 months ago

Clueless.  Like I never re-financed a mortgage and had to have my condo assessed.

[Removed,  prohibited abbreviation for insult

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.37  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.11    2 months ago

Yeah, I provided them an article, like the former 'president', where I told them what my net worth was, and they believed me.

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.38  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  MrFrost @6.2.26    2 months ago

Don't care. If they used his "valuations" it is on them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.39  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.38    2 months ago

No, it's not on 'them', it's on 'the turd'

 
 
 
goose is back
Sophomore Guide
6.2.40  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.39    2 months ago
No, it's not on 'them',

Sure it is, to think any financial institution accepts what a client provides them is naive.  They have shareholders they have to report to. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.41  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @6.2.40    2 months ago
Sure it is, to think any financial institution accepts what a client provides them is naive.

It's naive to think that the Saudi Royals, Rockerfellers, Gettys, Murdochs and Soros are treated the same as the average mortgage applicant. Believe me it's as tiered a process as any other that caters to enormous wealth.

They have shareholders they have to report to. 

That sounds reasonable but Deutsche Bank has about as much respect for its shareholders as does USB and Wells Fargo.

They do what they want until they are caught and forced to do otherwise.

 
 
 
goose is back
Sophomore Guide
6.2.42  goose is back  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.41    2 months ago
They do what they want until they are caught and forced to do otherwise.

BINGO!!!!!!! They knew exactly what they were doing and didn't give a shit.  They were in it for the money and they made plenty.  To say they were defrauded is ludicrous!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.43  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @6.2.42    2 months ago

The law was still broken.  Doesn't matter if it was Martha Stewart manipulating her own stocks or DJT lying about valuations.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.44  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.43    2 months ago

I think part of the problem is Trump himself did not prepare the paperwork. Yes, he signed them, but as I remember, there was a disclosure on each document that said to not take the valuations at face value, but the banks will have to do their own diligence.

I think this may be where Trump has a good case for appeal.

Or.....he can just say he is an elderly gentleman with some confusion and that should get him off the hook right away.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.45  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.43    2 months ago

It's hilarious how all these trump u graduates know the law better than these Judges.

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Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.46  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @6.2.44    2 months ago
he can just say he is an elderly gentleman with some confusion and that should get him off the hook right away.

except that these practices were done for decades

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
6.2.47  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.34    2 months ago

it could be the new Trump library

That’s probably the first time Trump and library were ever used in a sentence.

 
 
 
goose is back
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6.2.48  goose is back  replied to  Split Personality @6.2.43    2 months ago
Martha Stewart manipulating her own stocks

You know that is a crime....right?  I don't believe New York's law was ever used against someone where there was victim. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.2.49  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @6.2.48    2 months ago
You know that is a crime....right? 

Yes, that is why they were both prosecuted.  NY also charged 9,800 others in the last 9 years.

Before Trump New York Issued 9,800 Charges of Falsifying Business Records | New York Law Journal

I don't believe New York's law was ever used against someone where there was victim. 

I don't believe that's what you mean, but ok.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6    2 months ago

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Tessylo
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6.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.3    2 months ago

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Gsquared
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6.3.2  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @6.3    2 months ago

384

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @6.3.2    2 months ago

That's hilarious!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.3.4  Gsquared  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.3    2 months ago

My donation.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @6.3.4    2 months ago

Silly goose.  lol

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.4  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6    2 months ago

The State of New York Treasury Dept.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.5  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6    2 months ago

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Tessylo
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6.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6    2 months ago

[Deleted] the poor fat baby has to cough up some big bucks, or his supporters 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.6.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @6.6    2 months ago

whoops, that's 'your'

I hate getting that wrong

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
7  Split Personality    2 months ago

One of the talking heads said he has copies of the loan documents from the bank that Trump used to purchase Mar A Lago,

reportedly for "cash",

which include a page forbidding the bank to report the funds as a mortgage in violation of state laws and probably in violation of

FCRA and CFBP federal lending and reporting laws.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @7    2 months ago

... totally legit. /s

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @7    2 months ago

was that the deutch bank loan in the news a few years ago? didn't trump also agree to some goofy local shit that will make it more difficult to sell, and wasn't there supposedly a recent sale or title transfer?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
7.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @7.2    2 months ago

There is a permanent easement precluding it from being a primary residence, it is titled as a social club.

Then more recently he took another easement to make it a historical property with more restrictions to perpetuity.

Both easements came with large Tax reductions

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
7.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @7.2.1    2 months ago

I made a comment somewhere that it already has the TS docs and memorabilia to become the Trump library

which, after he fills the RNC with family members, the RNC will buy it at 4 times the market price.

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @7.2.2    2 months ago

I'm hoping he loots the RNC well before the convention. that would be funny...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.4  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @7.2.3    2 months ago

I saw a video claiming that lara trump wasn't qualified to run the hot dog roller at 7-11

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.2.5  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @7.2.4    2 months ago

 
 
 
JBB
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8  author  JBB    2 months ago

Now that's what I call a good Disgorgement...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
9  Gsquared    2 months ago

The sons got hit with fines of $4 million each.  Think they can get daddy to pay for them?

 
 
 
JBB
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9.1  author  JBB  replied to  Gsquared @9    2 months ago

They have GoFundMe accounts to fleece their MAGAs...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.2  Split Personality  replied to  Gsquared @9    2 months ago

They may have to cash out of Jared's special Arabian Investment House. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @9.2    2 months ago

kushner will send them to the saudi embassy in turkey to sign the paperwork and collect the cash...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
10  Gsquared    2 months ago

According to the NY AG the amount Trump has to pay for the disgorgement plus pre-judgment interest is over $450,000,000.  The numbers keep getting better.  And, he has to post 125% of that amount for an appeal.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @10    2 months ago

just the interest alone on both judgements will be around $1 million per week...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11  JohnRussell    2 months ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12  JohnRussell    2 months ago

let the whining begin

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devangelical
Professor Principal
12.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @12    2 months ago

= "I carefully worked it out so that my idiot brother would get stuck taking the all the blame. wtf?"

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @12.1    2 months ago

That's so freaking funny.  I'm really slow on the uptake sometimes, but he just threw shithead, jr. under the bus.

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13  JohnRussell    2 months ago

@RonFilipkowski · Jan 26

“Someone said to me, ‘Alina, would you rather be smart or pretty.’ I said, ‘That’s easy - pretty. I can always fake being smart.’”

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
14  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
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7h
Putin murdered his political opponent and Trump hasn’t said a word after he said he would encourage Putin to invade our allies. He has, however, posted 20+ times on social media about his legal drama and fake polls.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @14    2 months ago
Putin murdered his political opponent

And Biden prosecuted his political opponent.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
14.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1    2 months ago
Biden prosecuted his political opponent.

Completely false.  That's just right wing propaganda.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
14.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1    2 months ago

Biden had nothing to do with prosecuting the obviously guilty as sin Trump. Trump's legal problems are just beginning.

Interesting how the far right wanted to prosecute Biden over obvious baseless lies and inuendo.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15  JohnRussell    2 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @15    2 months ago

Excuse me while I projectile vomit