It was slow to fill because of the necessity of careful individual security checking for obvious reasons, causing long lineups of persons qualified to enter.
to fill because of the necessity of careful individual security checking for obvious reasons, causing long lineups of persons qualified to enter.
Given Democrats desire to attack other democrats in the name of Hamas, its certainly understandable the United Center uses security precautions like walls, police and i.d.s to protect the elite democrats inside. You know, the methods of security they want to deny the rest of us plebs.
It's a non-story. It was reported earlier this morning that several buses were held up due to the protesting around the convention center and got there late. Also first night, but I would fully expect the remaining days the bus companies and authorities will do a better job of getting the buses there on time.
AOC: "We know Trump would sell this country for a dollar if it meant lining his own pockets & greasing palms of his Wall St friends. And I for one am tired of hearing about how a 2 bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot than the woman who fights every single day"
Them too! My Cousin Al divorced Tipper, BTW. He is Mom's cousin but he showed his registered Angus against Daddy's every year at the Louisville Livestock Show. The Gores are cattlemen. Daddy was always impressed Al groomed his own show stock at shows. We were sorely disappointed in 2000. My Mom and I were in NYC...
I was a little worried the Democrats might go to far into the joy and hope side of it and not go straight at Trump. That has not happened, they have been incinerating him all night.
That Rick Wilson is a real 'gem.' I read his book, "Everything Trump Touches Dies: A Republican Strategist Gets Real About the Worst President Ever" —that dude, he can tear bark from trees with his 'spoken word.'
Of course they wanted him to drop out. If he had stayed in, the nation would likely be stuck with Trump.
Given he stepped aside and directly supported the Ds and Kamala, the entire party should praise him.
Trump did everything he could to hold on to power; the most extreme attempt to steal a presidential election in our nation's history. In contrast, Biden put nation and party above himself. A PotUS who stepped aside for the good of the nation.
they are grateful that he stepped aside and gave them a chance to win.
It's all about the power. No matter that they are praising what will turn out to be a disaster. You want to talk about respect from other world powers? Fugedaboutit.
It must be disheartening watching MAGA being obliterated...
If that were happening, it probably would be for some. This isn't any different than the GOP convention and the excitement it held while demeaning the dems
No matter that they are praising what will turn out to be a disaster.
What is the disaster you see? And keep in mind that the only alternative is Trump.
You want to talk about respect from other world powers? Fugedaboutit.
What an odd perception of world politics. You actually think that Trump as president would be respected and Harris would not? Harris is presidential. Trump is a clown. Do you ever objectively listen to his speeches? Do you objectively listen to the crazy shit that comes from his mouth? And you would prefer this vindictive scoundrel to be the voice and face of the USA???
And keep in mind that the only alternative is Trump.
And?
You actually think that Trump as president would be respected and Harris would not?
Well, let's review the situation since he was voted out shall we? Russia would not have invaded Ukraine, China was in check, North Korea was a paper tiger, inflation was minimal, new jobs up (Until the China induced pandemic was released) and life in general was pretty damned good. Now reverse all of those things since January 2021 and you have the Biden administration's "accomplishments" if that is what you want to call them. Harris will just be Obama's fourth term. And there are a lot of people that just do not like that writing on the wall.
You believe what Trump says. You buy the Trump as a superhero bullshit.
You believe that Putin invaded Ukraine because Trump was no longer there to 'stop him'.
You believe China, North Korea, etc. are emboldened unless Trump is there to stop them.
You believe that inflation was caused by Biden and ignore that it has been dropping since COVID-19 and is almost back to normal levels.
You believe that the economy is in bad shape when by all measures other than prices it is in great shape.
You believe that more jobs were created under Trump than Biden.
The problem, Jim, is that you believe (based on your comments) Trump's bullshit. And worse, you either do not see or do not care that Trump is a vindictive, narcissist who does not care about you or anyone else. That Trump does what is good for Trump. That Trump has no special powers and the good economy during his first three years was growing on its own and he got the benefit (just like every other PotUS ... benefit or blame ... not in their control). You believe the outrageous bullshit from the most prolific liar of our times.
Finally, you want to give the powers of the presidency to a traitor — the only PotUS in USA history who used fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election ... to hold on to power rather than do what every other PotUS has done and support the peaceful transfer of power in accordance with the wishes of the electorate. You want this loose-cannon old curmudgeon to have access to the greatest political power on the planet.
That, Jim, is the recipe for disaster.
Feel free to correct any of the above but do so in a manner consistent with your comments.
What indications? Other than Trump's bullshit, what indicators suggest that Putin was waiting for Trump to leave office before invading Ukraine?
Again, indications point that way
I see a pattern here. You have no argument.
Bullshit. Tell it to 2022 and 23
As I stated: inflation "... has been dropping since COVID-19 and is almost back to normal levels. " Form your opinions on facts rather than simply believe Trump's bullshit.
Don't put words in my mouth. I said no such thing.
You wrote:
Jim @22.1.6 ☞ " inflation was minimal, new jobs up (Until the China induced pandemic was released) and life in general was pretty damned good"
So you were not referring to the economy? Okay, Jim, let's go with that. Then you agree that our current economy is in good shape. Do you also realize that other than prices our economy is in better shape than it was in 2019? But you praise Trump as being the source of a great economy and give no credit to Biden. Again, not even remotely objective analysis.
The majority of those Biden jobs were RECOVERED jobs coming out of the pandemic FFS.
Oh, so Biden does not get credit for overseeing the nation while those jobs were recreated? But you give credit to Trump for creating jobs when in reality a PotUS does not create jobs. That is not objective analysis.
I do know that more people died of COVID under Biden's watch WITH VACCINES than under Trump.
Are you attempting to argue that the vaccines are the reason more people died in 2021 than in 2020?
Are you attempting to argue that Biden did something wrong? Look at the deaths across the world. The pandemic deaths spiked in February 2021 worldwide. This is Biden's fault? One month in office and he caused it? The deaths in the USA follow the same basic pattern as the rest of the world.
It is never good to believe that which is simply not true. But the only way to fix that is to counter the natural tendency of confirmation bias and attempt to look at reality objectively.
If you find yourself unable to put forth a cogent, factual, logical rebuttal then that is a hint that you might not be on the right side of truth.
Gee, I can't wait to hear Kamala's solution to the border and how she is NOW going to fix it.
The real problem with DC is that the very same people that almost everyone wants to vote for are the reasons for the problems we have today. They can't fix shit.
Calm down. I made a logical, fact-based argument @22.1.11 with supporting links and you merely offer a naive meme.
And now you demand that I answer your naive question.
Okay, maybe this will help you.
We always have problems. No matter how much is fixed, there is always more work to do. We will never hit a condition where everything is perfect for everyone. Thus politicians will always have people demanding fixes and they will react accordingly.
Do you understand this?
If not, note how things were during the Great Depression. People correctly complained of problems and many of those problems were fixed and the quality of life was raised. But at that new level of quality, people complained of new problems (in this case war and equal rights/opportunities was key). This has continued across the decades in multiple dimensions: economic, societal, international, fiscal, environmental, etc. As problems are fixed and the quality of life raised yet again, new problems emerge.
The quality of life today is substantially better than during the Great Depression but we still complain. And in the future, the quality of life might be substantially better than what we have today.
Now, given what you have just learned, do you think future citizens will still complain? Do you think there will still be problems to solve?
I am not going to demand (as you have) that you put forth a rebuttal to my argument @22.1.11 since obviously you cannot do so.
Gee, I can't wait to hear Kamala's solution to the border and how she is NOW going to fix it.
Harris has already given her initial answer. She is going to push for the bipartisan border bill to pass (the one that Trump killed) and she vows to sign it into law.
Harris has already given her initial answer. She is going to push for the bipartisan border bill to pass (the one that Trump killed) and she vows to sign it into law
Sometimes it is amazing how much "power" some folks think Trump has. He had NO vote on that piece of legislation. Trump could not kill it. It did not pass, maybe she should ask for something new instead since what has been tried failed.
Kamala will be no better regarding the border than Biden was.
Sometimes it is amazing how much "power" some folks think Trump has.
He killed the bill. Did you not know this? There is no debating it. The Senate Rs buckled when Trump expressed his desire to kill the bill until he was elected.
s count on you to spin everything on the D side negatively.
It's not spin. It objectively takes power from the President and limits his ability to control the border while permitting massive amounts of illegal immigration before any steps can be taken.
Biden's EO, issued this summer, is stronger than the Democrats and Lankford Senate bill. So Harris's "solution" is to weaken border security from its current standard.
It objectively takes power from the President and limits his ability to control the border while permitting massive amounts of illegal immigration before any steps can be taken.
Absolutely true.
Personally, I don't put much stock in a 'bipartisan' bill when we can see what Democrats' priorities regarding immigration, amnesty, sanctuaries and the border have been all along.
Where do you get the idea that the bill reduces the power of the PotUS to control the border?
how else was Biden able to issue an EO setting lower limits than those contained in the proposed bill? The new bill, if passed, would supplant the existing statute that Biden relied upon to issue his more restrictive EO.
Name a D that you would vote for to be PotUS given Trump as the GOP nominee.
Show me a Democrat who is tough on the border, wants to reduce taxes, wants to reduce government spending, one who wants to and will ay down the staggering debt. who doesn't give a shit about DEI, or reparations and who isn't beholden to unions and I can show you someone I would at least consider.
If you fail to show me a Democrat who fits this mold, then my imaginary Democrat will be the one who I could vote for.
Good God, man, I just got through telling you which Democrat I could vote for, all I am doing now is waiting on you to tell me who fits my requirements.
It is a waste of time to appeal to this with logic.
We heard from all sorts of conservatives that Biden was personally the problem, he was senile, feeble etc and that was the reason for voting for trump. The truth is it doesnt matter at all who the Democratic candidate would have been.
You put in criteria that defines a Republican. Thus you defined a null set when applied to Ds.
In case you do not understand set theory, your answer was the set of all Democrats who support all in a list of core Republican policies. There is nobody in that set (otherwise they would be a Republican).
In short, you would never vote for a D to be PotUS.
Tex , to be fair , what you actually described was what was once considered a conservative democrat, I have found them on the local level , sometimes on the state level , but havent seen one on the national level for almost 20 years now and are virtually considered extinct in national politics and have no chance of being elected by the democratic party as a whole or majority .
I actually doubt that Alex Jones even knows this. I mean, he’s Alex Jones - an uninformed reactionary QAnon follower. Expect nothing less from this moron.
Always N Joy the wisdom provided by Ron Filipowski, or how I always pronounced it , Ron Flipit Ouch Skii, as he is usually on target, and when the subject is trump, there might possibly be the side of a very large barn, with all of the doors left open, to shut out the possibility of not hitting them, or the bong I'm smoking till choking up on the bat i may feel obligated to swing for the offences width
Ah yes. The imaginary ‘MAGAs.’ Do you even know what that is? Have you ever seen one before, or are you just in the habit of insulting those who dare think different that you, et al?
Our immigration laws and the international treaties of which the US is a signatory are determined by Congress not by Presidents. What needs to be done must have new laws, more people and infrastructure and dollars appropriated by Congress to do it...
A variant of the phrase “Make America Great Again” was first popularized by Republican Pres. Ronald Reagan, who used “Let’s Make America Great Again” as one of several slogans for his 1980 presidential campaign. Trump reportedly coined the phrase “Make America Great Again” in November 2012, just after Mitt Romney, the former Republican governor of Massachusetts, lost the 2012 presidential election to Obama.
Trump filed an application to trademark the slogan for the purpose of “promoting public awareness of political issues and fundraising in the field of politics.”
He announced his campaign’s slogan on the same day that he declared his candidacy for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination—June 16, 2015. This date can be seen as the beginning of the MAGA movement.
Then why are MAGA senators blocking bipartisan legislation authored by Republican Senators that GOP Oklahoma US Senator James Lankford says gave the gop everything it ever wanted?
And, don't ask for proof or links that we provided you repeatedly!
The fact that Jan. 6th happened, and we all saw it with our own eyes, and still Donald Trump wasn’t shunned from society forever… it will never not be insane to me
Good nickname. Linking her to a power crazed psychopathic, elitist autocrat who murdered tens of thousands of plebeians before having to be murdered in order to save civilization.
Does Nancy burn you? Dragonfire is potent political power...
Oh. no denying Nancy is powerful, especially with the deep pocket donors feeding the Democratic Party. I mean, come on, she got a spry, smart, coherent, energetic President who won rather easily last time to drop out for really no reason at all.
imagine thinking so little of your audience as senator Murphy must in order to say “Harris has been tough as nails on the border for 20 years” with a straight face. He must really believe his audience is compromised of mindless goldfish who don’t remember yesterday.
Delusional is anyone fucking dumb enough to say something as unbelievable and as idiotic as she has been tough on the border. Hell, she probably couldn't FIND the border
Donald Trump has a new book coming out which he is selling for 99 dollars. It is purportedly about his four years in office and what he hopes for Americas future.
With him running for president and all you might think he would give the voters this information for free.
This is the cover image for the book
The book , btw , is priced at twice what similar books go for.
They are not being censored if the are protesting in the lobby!
You should read posts.
after they were denied a chance to speak to the convention
Sorry, that sounds exactly like censorship, they wanted to speak and were denied. Paint it however you wish, but it won;t change the facts. I now consider myself somewhat an expert on censorship.
Democrats didn't nominate for President of Israel. MAGA did!
To be clear, there was a teleprompter set up on the stage in front of Walz. (I saw it when the family came on stage at the end of the speech.) And, the media anchors are talking about Walz's 'first-time' (teleprompter virginity gone now). That said, Walz did appear to be speaking 'naturally' - in which case it is a gift. Probably so more a natural at teleprompter use than Obama.
Donald stares so hard at this teleprompter when he reads it that you can't help but understand that man is reading.
I just spent a few hours watching the DNC which was being broadcast live on CTV (Canada Television News). I thought Bill Clinton would put me to sleep, took particular note that Oprah was wearing purple, and she woke me up again. I believe Pete went over well, the evening could have done without Walz's next door neighbour and the football team, but then Walz himself set fire to the campaign - now I think that Trump/Vance are dead in the water and I don't feel the least bit sorry for the Republicans who have been backing them.
I think something happened to Bill's notes or his teleprompter screen. . . he was fidgeting with his words and his papers and for a long-time professional speaker he appeared to be in some 'distress' for what he wanted to say. Though he 'recovered' successfully, nevertheless.
That Arena Is On Fire!
the comparisons being done between the 2 conventions are fucking hilarious.
A little earlier MAGA twitter trolls were saying the arena was half empty. Uh,no.
It was slow to fill because of the necessity of careful individual security checking for obvious reasons, causing long lineups of persons qualified to enter.
Given Democrats desire to attack other democrats in the name of Hamas, its certainly understandable the United Center uses security precautions like walls, police and i.d.s to protect the elite democrats inside. You know, the methods of security they want to deny the rest of us plebs.
What happened to “build bridges, not walls”?
I think is more like the delegates were out enjoying themselves and decided to skip some of the preliminary speakers.
That's not a positive opinion about those you covet.
Don't really know what you are talking about.
Can't help that, JR. At least MonsterMash did.
It's a non-story. It was reported earlier this morning that several buses were held up due to the protesting around the convention center and got there late. Also first night, but I would fully expect the remaining days the bus companies and authorities will do a better job of getting the buses there on time.
The only thing that is concerning me is that it is running late. By the time Biden comes on it will be kind of late on the east coast.
They can give Joe something to keep him awake.
My Girl Is Shining Brilliantly!
Her speech is the best so far and will be hard to top.
She might have shown up Joe?
AOC is a great barnburner speaker.
She makes Trump look like he is in a coma.
AOC is on fire !
AOC: "We know Trump would sell this country for a dollar if it meant lining his own pockets & greasing palms of his Wall St friends. And I for one am tired of hearing about how a 2 bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot than the woman who fights every single day"
I missed AOC but just saw Joe give the best speech I've ever seen him give.
Remember When MAGA Said Hillary Was Dying?
she looks like she aced her cognitive test
How can anybody not love and admire Billy, Hillary, Barack, Michelle, Jill or Joe Biden?
Why did you leave out Doug and Kamala and Al and Tipper?
Them too! My Cousin Al divorced Tipper, BTW. He is Mom's cousin but he showed his registered Angus against Daddy's every year at the Louisville Livestock Show. The Gores are cattlemen. Daddy was always impressed Al groomed his own show stock at shows. We were sorely disappointed in 2000. My Mom and I were in NYC...
It's easy.
the Democratic convention is kicking ass
"KEEP GOING!"
Hilary Clinton delivered an America First speech.
Reagans, Bushes, McCains, Romneys and Cheneys will not be voting MAGA. The gop ran off and left them, or kicked them out. MAGA!
Clyburn!
I would expect Trump is fuming.
I was a little worried the Democrats might go to far into the joy and hope side of it and not go straight at Trump. That has not happened, they have been incinerating him all night.
I have noticed.
And all they had to do was simply make true statements.
And they are driving the abortion point home quite well. This should be a key factor for the Ds.
As Trump might say, "no one's ever seen anything like this before."
Can you imagine if they had stuck with Biden like you recommended?
That Rick Wilson is a real 'gem.' I read his book, "Everything Trump Touches Dies: A Republican Strategist Gets Real About the Worst President Ever" —that dude, he can tear bark from trees with his 'spoken word.'
Will Joe announce he's resigning tonight during his speech or wait a day or two?
No, but El Trumpo is probably stroking out...
Ashley Biden just introduced her Dad, The President of the United States of America, and the crowd is going wild with love for him!
A month ago those people at the convention couldn't wait for Joe to drop out in favor of anyone but Harris.
Of course they wanted him to drop out. If he had stayed in, the nation would likely be stuck with Trump.
Given he stepped aside and directly supported the Ds and Kamala, the entire party should praise him.
Trump did everything he could to hold on to power; the most extreme attempt to steal a presidential election in our nation's history. In contrast, Biden put nation and party above himself. A PotUS who stepped aside for the good of the nation.
The Ds should be praising Biden.
LOL, no doubt.....
Now, pay attention for a lesson in grace, honor and greatness...
Mmmmkay.....
There You Go!
Wait a minute, I thought we didn't build anything?..... color me confused
And he shouldn't have...
Biden gave an excellent speech.
A forceful well delivered speech in a strong voice late at night...
I am grateful he left on a high note an not a tear-jerker! Way to pass the torch, Joe. I love the screen 'pop-ups': "Thank you, Joe!"
Thank you Joe........for dropping out.
Yes, they are grateful that he stepped aside and gave them a chance to win. They are also grateful for his service as a D.
Why does this strike you as odd?
It doesn't
It's all about the power. No matter that they are praising what will turn out to be a disaster. You want to talk about respect from other world powers? Fugedaboutit.
It must be disheartening watching MAGA being obliterated...
Very disillusioning I do suppose. Happy days are here again!
If that were happening, it probably would be for some. This isn't any different than the GOP convention and the excitement it held while demeaning the dems
Ultimately, yes, parties seek to be in control.
What is the disaster you see? And keep in mind that the only alternative is Trump.
What an odd perception of world politics. You actually think that Trump as president would be respected and Harris would not? Harris is presidential. Trump is a clown. Do you ever objectively listen to his speeches? Do you objectively listen to the crazy shit that comes from his mouth? And you would prefer this vindictive scoundrel to be the voice and face of the USA???
Harris.
And?
Well, let's review the situation since he was voted out shall we? Russia would not have invaded Ukraine, China was in check, North Korea was a paper tiger, inflation was minimal, new jobs up (Until the China induced pandemic was released) and life in general was pretty damned good. Now reverse all of those things since January 2021 and you have the Biden administration's "accomplishments" if that is what you want to call them. Harris will just be Obama's fourth term. And there are a lot of people that just do not like that writing on the wall.
This comment is based on what you have written.
You believe what Trump says. You buy the Trump as a superhero bullshit.
You believe that Putin invaded Ukraine because Trump was no longer there to 'stop him'.
You believe China, North Korea, etc. are emboldened unless Trump is there to stop them.
You believe that inflation was caused by Biden and ignore that it has been dropping since COVID-19 and is almost back to normal levels.
You believe that the economy is in bad shape when by all measures other than prices it is in great shape.
You believe that more jobs were created under Trump than Biden.
The problem, Jim, is that you believe (based on your comments) Trump's bullshit. And worse, you either do not see or do not care that Trump is a vindictive, narcissist who does not care about you or anyone else. That Trump does what is good for Trump. That Trump has no special powers and the good economy during his first three years was growing on its own and he got the benefit (just like every other PotUS ... benefit or blame ... not in their control). You believe the outrageous bullshit from the most prolific liar of our times.
Finally, you want to give the powers of the presidency to a traitor — the only PotUS in USA history who used fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election ... to hold on to power rather than do what every other PotUS has done and support the peaceful transfer of power in accordance with the wishes of the electorate. You want this loose-cannon old curmudgeon to have access to the greatest political power on the planet.
That, Jim, is the recipe for disaster.
Feel free to correct any of the above but do so in a manner consistent with your comments.
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All indications point that way.
Again, indications point that way
Bullshit. Tell it to 2022 and 23
Don't put words in my mouth. I said no such thing.
The majority of those Biden jobs were RECOVERED jobs coming out of the pandemic FFS.
I do know that more people died of COVID under Biden's watch WITH VACCINES than under Trump.
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What indications? Other than Trump's bullshit, what indicators suggest that Putin was waiting for Trump to leave office before invading Ukraine?
I see a pattern here. You have no argument.
As I stated: inflation "... has been dropping since COVID-19 and is almost back to normal levels. " Form your opinions on facts rather than simply believe Trump's bullshit.
You wrote:
So you were not referring to the economy? Okay, Jim, let's go with that. Then you agree that our current economy is in good shape. Do you also realize that other than prices our economy is in better shape than it was in 2019? But you praise Trump as being the source of a great economy and give no credit to Biden. Again, not even remotely objective analysis.
Oh, so Biden does not get credit for overseeing the nation while those jobs were recreated? But you give credit to Trump for creating jobs when in reality a PotUS does not create jobs. That is not objective analysis.
Are you attempting to argue that the vaccines are the reason more people died in 2021 than in 2020?
Are you attempting to argue that Biden did something wrong? Look at the deaths across the world. The pandemic deaths spiked in February 2021 worldwide. This is Biden's fault? One month in office and he caused it? The deaths in the USA follow the same basic pattern as the rest of the world.
This is your rebuttal? A naive meme?
It is never good to believe that which is simply not true. But the only way to fix that is to counter the natural tendency of confirmation bias and attempt to look at reality objectively.
If you find yourself unable to put forth a cogent, factual, logical rebuttal then that is a hint that you might not be on the right side of truth.
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Gee, I can't wait to hear Kamala's solution to the border and how she is NOW going to fix it.
The real problem with DC is that the very same people that almost everyone wants to vote for are the reasons for the problems we have today. They can't fix shit.
Calm down. I made a logical, fact-based argument @22.1.11 with supporting links and you merely offer a naive meme.
And now you demand that I answer your naive question.
Okay, maybe this will help you.
We always have problems. No matter how much is fixed, there is always more work to do. We will never hit a condition where everything is perfect for everyone. Thus politicians will always have people demanding fixes and they will react accordingly.
Do you understand this?
If not, note how things were during the Great Depression. People correctly complained of problems and many of those problems were fixed and the quality of life was raised. But at that new level of quality, people complained of new problems (in this case war and equal rights/opportunities was key). This has continued across the decades in multiple dimensions: economic, societal, international, fiscal, environmental, etc. As problems are fixed and the quality of life raised yet again, new problems emerge.
The quality of life today is substantially better than during the Great Depression but we still complain. And in the future, the quality of life might be substantially better than what we have today.
Now, given what you have just learned, do you think future citizens will still complain? Do you think there will still be problems to solve?
I am not going to demand (as you have) that you put forth a rebuttal to my argument @22.1.11 since obviously you cannot do so.
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Harris has already given her initial answer. She is going to push for the bipartisan border bill to pass (the one that Trump killed) and she vows to sign it into law.
So she's going to make things worse and limit the President's power to control immigration.
Sometimes it is amazing how much "power" some folks think Trump has. He had NO vote on that piece of legislation. Trump could not kill it. It did not pass, maybe she should ask for something new instead since what has been tried failed.
Kamala will be no better regarding the border than Biden was.
I can always count on you to spin everything on the D side negatively.
She is clueless about it.
But hey, on the plus side, she hasn't been to Europe either.
He killed the bill. Did you not know this? There is no debating it. The Senate Rs buckled when Trump expressed his desire to kill the bill until he was elected.
The bill sucked, hard to spin that shit.
He had no vote on it. Did you not know this?
Yet you persist under the false impression that Trump controlled it.
He expressed desire, oh my!
Surely you are not naive enough to think that if elected, the GOP would pass that particular bill for Trump to sign. I just know you aren't.
when did it pass the House?
It's not spin. It objectively takes power from the President and limits his ability to control the border while permitting massive amounts of illegal immigration before any steps can be taken.
Biden's EO, issued this summer, is stronger than the Democrats and Lankford Senate bill. So Harris's "solution" is to weaken border security from its current standard.
Absolutely true.
Personally, I don't put much stock in a 'bipartisan' bill when we can see what Democrats' priorities regarding immigration, amnesty, sanctuaries and the border have been all along.
From Senator Sinema, one of the authors of the bill:
Where do you get the idea that the bill reduces the power of the PotUS to control the border? That it net weakens border security?
how else was Biden able to issue an EO setting lower limits than those contained in the proposed bill? The new bill, if passed, would supplant the existing statute that Biden relied upon to issue his more restrictive EO.
I am asking for your source, Sean.
My sources is the Lankford bill as reported and the Biden Executive Order. Compare their terms.
I see, the bill 'as reported' yet you do not name the source who did the reporting.
Read this and get back to us!
That was fucking sincere damnit. We shall see in the morning.
Yeah, the only flaw with that plan was to anoint Harris, who is extremely dangerous.
Dangerous to Trump and MAGA Nov 5th when Harris Walz is going to give Trump Vance a kick in the pants and a whoopin!
Dangerous to America.
I know you won't see anything at all wrong with Harris, but some of us don't have partisan blinders on.
Name a D that you would vote for to be PotUS given Trump as the GOP nominee.
Why?
As far as I know, there is only one Democrat who will be nominated.
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As expected, no name offered.
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They scared off the only Dem I would have voted for. Tulsi Gabbard
Show me a Democrat who is tough on the border, wants to reduce taxes, wants to reduce government spending, one who wants to and will ay down the staggering debt. who doesn't give a shit about DEI, or reparations and who isn't beholden to unions and I can show you someone I would at least consider.
If you fail to show me a Democrat who fits this mold, then my imaginary Democrat will be the one who I could vote for.
Got anyone in mind?
In short, you would never vote for a D to be PotUS.
Good God, man, I just got through telling you which Democrat I could vote for, all I am doing now is waiting on you to tell me who fits my requirements.
Why won't you?
Do you read my posts?
I know even you aren't going to pretend Harris is tough on the border or wants to reduce xxx spending or taxes.
It is a waste of time to appeal to this with logic.
We heard from all sorts of conservatives that Biden was personally the problem, he was senile, feeble etc and that was the reason for voting for trump. The truth is it doesnt matter at all who the Democratic candidate would have been.
Show me a Democrat who meets my criteria and I will show you someone I would consider voting for.
You put in criteria that defines a Republican. Thus you defined a null set when applied to Ds.
In case you do not understand set theory, your answer was the set of all Democrats who support all in a list of core Republican policies. There is nobody in that set (otherwise they would be a Republican).
In short, you would never vote for a D to be PotUS.
So no Democrat wants reduced spending, reduced taxes, debt paid down, and secure borders.
No fucking wonder I haven't been provided with one I could consider.
I often wonder why you even bother asking me questions when you are always so eager to tell me what I will do.
Democrats believe government should help people and Republicans think government should be shrunk. There is not a lot of overlap.
So no Democrat wants less spending, lower taxes, secure borders, got it.
This seems like it should be a major disconnect for people and the Democratic Party.
Many Americans want secure borders, less taxation, less government spending/wasting.
Tex , to be fair , what you actually described was what was once considered a conservative democrat, I have found them on the local level , sometimes on the state level , but havent seen one on the national level for almost 20 years now and are virtually considered extinct in national politics and have no chance of being elected by the democratic party as a whole or majority .
Well, they do claim the Democratic Party has 'evolved'.
Evolved is an interesting word to describe a large shift leftward.
Harris / Walz has been nominated with zero opposition tonight!
Bernie Sanders is up!
Because any supposed opposition was told to stand down and don’t even try. Nobody wants to get Hillaried.
Do you have a copy of this edict on DNC letterhead stationary?
We don’t need no stinkin stationary when Hillary still walks the earth.
They knew better.
This is the same stadium in Milwaukee where Trump had his convention.
Tonight it is filled to the rafters by Kamala Harris.
This is hilarious
California passed in the alphabetical order so they could go last, which is the traditional position of the home state of the nominee.
Jones cant be this stupid, can he?
But he thinks his fans are.
Sensational bullshit. He cannot help himself.
I actually doubt that Alex Jones even knows this. I mean, he’s Alex Jones - an uninformed reactionary QAnon follower. Expect nothing less from this moron.
Michelle is Burnin it up!
She could have been president this time if she wanted to.
Great public speaker.
Always N Joy the wisdom provided by Ron Filipowski, or how I always pronounced it , Ron Flipit Ouch Skii, as he is usually on target, and when the subject is trump, there might possibly be the side of a very large barn, with all of the doors left open, to shut out the possibility of not hitting them, or the bong I'm smoking till choking up on the bat i may feel obligated to swing for the offences width
Best line of the night.
Why do the Obamas always need to bring race into everything?
You misspelled grace.
Because MAGA would rather step on their tongues than racebait?
Uh no. I know how to spell just fine. My point was made……..correctly
Ah yes. The imaginary ‘MAGAs.’
Do you even know what that is? Have you ever seen one before, or are you just in the habit of insulting those who dare think different that you, et al?
"Do not Boo.... Vote!"
Barak Obama
Barack is doing that thing he does so well. (And he looks like he moisturizes!)
What a speaking voice (Barack has)! The people rise and fall with his words. (You can hear a pin drop in there.)
Yeah. It is great watching and listening to an orator of his quality.
Totally beside the point, but that is one nice suit that he has on.
I noticed that (suit and tie) too!
This is weird considering TONIGHT is Wednesday...............
Democrats have border solutions. MAGA do not. Vote Democratic!
Do they really, or just have regurgitated Trump policies because what they came up on their own with was an abject failure of monumental proportions.
Our immigration laws and the international treaties of which the US is a signatory are determined by Congress not by Presidents. What needs to be done must have new laws, more people and infrastructure and dollars appropriated by Congress to do it...
new laws.
any idea if Dems would enforce them?
As I already contended. MAGA make excuses not progress?
You never mentioned anything about enforcement, and you were very vague on Democratic plans: more laws
What success with Democratic policies have Dems produced regarding immigration and the border?
As you prove again here MAGA are not interested in solutions!
And as you continue to prove, you don't even recognize Maga.
I don't need to define MAGA. All y'all MAGA do exemplify it...
Now Hush Up! Stevie Wonder is playing at the DNC. M'kay?
please read, read, READ!
NO ONE said a damn thing about you defining anything
I wouldn't expect you to be able to define that which you can't recognize.
A variant of the phrase “Make America Great Again” was first popularized by Republican Pres. Ronald Reagan, who used “Let’s Make America Great Again” as one of several slogans for his 1980 presidential campaign. Trump reportedly coined the phrase “Make America Great Again” in November 2012, just after Mitt Romney, the former Republican governor of Massachusetts, lost the 2012 presidential election to Obama.
Trump filed an application to trademark the slogan for the purpose of “promoting public awareness of political issues and fundraising in the field of politics.”
He announced his campaign’s slogan on the same day that he declared his candidacy for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination—June 16, 2015. This date can be seen as the beginning of the MAGA movement.
MAGA movement | Meaning, Beliefs, Origins, Donald Trump, & Facts | Britannica
Open borders is no solution.
Then why are MAGA senators blocking bipartisan legislation authored by Republican Senators that GOP Oklahoma US Senator James Lankford says gave the gop everything it ever wanted?
And, don't ask for proof or links that we provided you repeatedly!
Lankford was wrong.
As has been pointed out to you before, the bill kind of sucks.
No, you are wrong and straight up lying about a Republican!
as Joseph N. Welch said to Joe McCarthy shutting him up...
I am not lying, don't be ridiculous.
Why won't you tout the successes Biden has had regarding immigration and the border?
Lol. No he didn't.
Nobody has time for such outrageous mendacious denials!
But you think they have time for your false allegations?
lmao
Yes Sean, yes Senator Lankford did. Deal with truth in truth!
Like I said, he was wrong.
Sure. Just pull the quote where he said that.
The idea that Republicans "all Republicans ever wanted" is a bill designed to lets in a million plus illegals a year with no action is preposterous.
Prove It!
Already been done, as you pointed out.
Now, about those Biden "success" stories on immigration and the border, are there any at ALL?
Bullshit? Who do you think you're foolin fella? Nobody on here!
Lots of words to avoid saying what Biden policies were successful.
How many times do you need for me to provide you this info?
Wednesday Night Live's Keenan Thompson is up now!
Funny guy, that Keenan Thompson. I could have gone farther with him with the appearance and jokes!
The DNC is a love fest and fun fest. The RNC was MAGA's funeral!
That nasty beast died a few weeks ago and is 🦨 to high heaven...
I guess kicking an old man out is a prime example of some of that "love", eh?
Or was that the "fun" part?
The fun part is a black woman decisively whooping Trump's fat lying ass once and for all in front of everyone for the world to see!
Great, now we know for certain which clown will be leading the circus.
Kamala is no clown. She is telling the biggest one, "You're Fired!"
I think she is. seems just like 4 years ago that Kamala couldn't get her campaign to even the first primary before dropping out for lack of support.
Ya gotta love it when useless MAGA fools be useful MAGA foolin it...
Can you not provide ANY successes Biden has had regarding the border and immigration?
Even one?
Of Course!
Perfect! is so damn funny that you talk about that. You know it was a Trump policy Biden used, don't you,?
did cnn or msnbc tell you that?
But Trump, Huh? Do Texans not know what is up in Texas?
MAGA seem to not know one fact, and if they did denied it.
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Or why you keep talking about Maga to me.
or how anything in that post related to mine in any way whatsoever.
Whenever a comment begins, "I have no idea", I believe them!
Do you get that often in response to your posts?
Be Yee Cool Not MAGA Fool!
a good one
Let us know what you find out!
Its a coin flip
Maybe, but since it is Trump, I know you will find out for sure, right?
Such inane comments are the fingerpainting of bullshit artistry!
if it is inane to you perhaps I can clarify if you tell me what part isn't making sense to you.
Where did I say I didn't understand your bullshit was bullshit?
I just said yours is juvenile immature childish bullshit artistry!
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Rest assured MAGA's ultimate comeuppance is coming November 5th!
Turnout 11-5 will be monumentally proportionate to America's outrage.
President Bill Clinton - "Who are we going to be ot? Kamala Harris for the people of for that other guy who is only for me myself and I?"
he's doing a good job tonight
Now we have, "Mother Of Dragons", Nancy Pelosi!
"Let us not forget who attacked Congress that day"
He Did!
"Let us not forget who defended Democracy that day"
We Did!
"So The Land of the Free should not perish that day"
So, with all of the legitimate complaints about Trump, Pelosi resorts to a lie? Why?
This is how Dems lose credibility.
“Mother of dragons”
Good nickname. Linking her to a power crazed psychopathic, elitist autocrat who murdered tens of thousands of plebeians before having to be murdered in order to save civilization.
Does Nancy burn you? Dragonfire is potent political power...
Oh. no denying Nancy is powerful, especially with the deep pocket donors feeding the Democratic Party. I mean, come on, she got a spry, smart, coherent, energetic President who won rather easily last time to drop out for really no reason at all.
When Democrats are most sincere the MAGA Hats will disappear...
MAGA don't know what's hitting them. Repeatedly Uppasidadahead!
imagine thinking so little of your audience as senator Murphy must in order to say “Harris has been tough as nails on the border for 20 years” with a straight face. He must really believe his audience is compromised of mindless goldfish who don’t remember yesterday.
Delusional, may need to be committed for a mental health round of testing.
Or he is just a blatant liar because he knows no one there would ever fact check him.
Delusional is not knowing what you're doing caused your demise!
Past Tense...
MAGA need to lay down now. They are dead and starting to stink.
Delusional is anyone fucking dumb enough to say something as unbelievable and as idiotic as she has been tough on the border. Hell, she probably couldn't FIND the border
And, MAGA cannot find their asses with both hands! Why do the poor ass working stiffs of Sheboygan and Waco vote MAGA?
Against the best interests of poor uneducated lower classes?
Which totally fits the textbook definition of clinical delusions...
Once again, despite being told over and over, I am not maga.
Is there some other way I can communicate that to you so that you may understand it?
Tell it to maga, ffs.
Just answer my question. I don't care if you are MAGA or gop!
No. As explained, I am not Maga, so ask one of them your maga question.
Pretty hard to believe that when you go out of your way to deliberately label me something you know damn well I am not.
Enough about you, but what will you say you think about you?
I don't know what you are going on about.
No Shit!
Whenever comments begin with, "I don't know", believe them...
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Did you miss it? Abortion and immigration are no longer trump cards.
As Democrats are going all in the loser MAGA crowd craps out again!
Democrats are playing a Royal Strait Flush. MAGA'S got two deuces...
Donald Trump has a new book coming out which he is selling for 99 dollars. It is purportedly about his four years in office and what he hopes for Americas future.
With him running for president and all you might think he would give the voters this information for free.
This is the cover image for the book
The book , btw , is priced at twice what similar books go for.
Capitalism baby.
I do not know, but I think Oprah won gold at the Summer Ozympics...
I see what you did there! Uh-huh!
He better pay the agents in the photo for using their likeness (or do Secret Service Agents not get paid for their added 'services')?
If it looks MAGA and it sounds MAGA and it is full of shit as MAGA?
I can't say MAGA is MAGA because MAGA is a slur to MAGA MAGA!
WTF? GTFOOH! NGAFAYBS! GSITAT. YCSTSAH. NIBI. MAGA MAGA!
you just posted many times about Maga. Claiming you can't seems wrong.
Thanks and thanks in advance for giving us a thumbs up, up ^top^!
Let's Get Crazy!
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palestinian delegates to the dnc are staging a sit in outside the convention hall after they were denied a chance to speak to the convention
Wow, censorship at the DNC.
They are not being censored if the are protesting in the lobby!
Democrats didn't nominate for President of Israel. MAGA did!
You should read posts.
Sorry, that sounds exactly like censorship, they wanted to speak and were denied. Paint it however you wish, but it won;t change the facts. I now consider myself somewhat an expert on censorship.
W-h-a-t????That doesn't make a lick of sense.
Tim Walz does not use a teleprompter and never has
I never had any teacher before college who used lecture notes...
Most teachers have done the lesson plans etc. for years. They know the subject and they teach it.
To be clear, there was a teleprompter set up on the stage in front of Walz. (I saw it when the family came on stage at the end of the speech.) And, the media anchors are talking about Walz's 'first-time' (teleprompter virginity gone now). That said, Walz did appear to be speaking 'naturally' - in which case it is a gift. Probably so more a natural at teleprompter use than Obama.
Donald stares so hard at this teleprompter when he reads it that you can't help but understand that man is reading.
I just spent a few hours watching the DNC which was being broadcast live on CTV (Canada Television News). I thought Bill Clinton would put me to sleep, took particular note that Oprah was wearing purple, and she woke me up again. I believe Pete went over well, the evening could have done without Walz's next door neighbour and the football team, but then Walz himself set fire to the campaign - now I think that Trump/Vance are dead in the water and I don't feel the least bit sorry for the Republicans who have been backing them.
Give Bill a break... He was using paper notes
I think something happened to Bill's notes or his teleprompter screen. . . he was fidgeting with his words and his papers and for a long-time professional speaker he appeared to be in some 'distress' for what he wanted to say. Though he 'recovered' successfully, nevertheless.
He passed the torch. It wasn't what I had hoped, but he is getting older too.
Yes, he looked it.
Ah! Age is catching up with many of the collective, 'us.' Yet, there is no other alternative, right?
MAGA want to give their views on MSNBC. Are the MAGAs censored?
Can I go on Fox News to rebut everything Sean Hannity has ever said?
Of course not. That is not how freedom of speech works in America...