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Preparing for Republican Debt Blackmail

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 years ago  •  23 comments

By:   Paul Krugman (nytimes)

Preparing for Republican Debt Blackmail
Democrats should do whatever it takes to block extortion.

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Nobody knows for sure what will happen in the midterm elections. But if Republicans take one or both houses of Congress, the most important question will be one that is getting hardly any public attention: What will the Biden administration do when the G.O.P. threatens to blow up the world economy by refusing to raise the debt limit?

In particular, will Democrats be prepared to take the extraordinary actions the situation will demand, doing whatever it takes to avoid being blackmailed?

Notice that I said "when," not "if." After Republicans took the House in 2010, they quickly weaponized the debt limit against the Obama administration, using it to extract spending cuts they couldn't have achieved through normal legislative means. And that was a pre-MAGA G.O.P., one that for the most part didn't deny the legitimacy of the president and didn't make excuses for violent insurrections.

In fact, I wonder whether Republicans will even seriously try to extract concessions this time around, as opposed to creating chaos for its own sake.

Notice also that I said "blow up the world economy," not merely hamstring the U.S. government. For the consequences of forcing a federal debt default, which is what refusing to raise the limit would do, would extend far beyond the operations of the federal government itself.

Let's back up and talk about why any of this is an issue. U.S. law, for historical reasons, requires in effect that Congress vote on the budget twice. First, senators and representatives enact legislation that sets tax rates and authorizes spending. This legislation ends up determining the federal budget balance. But if we end up running a deficit, Congress must vote a second time, to authorize borrowing to cover that deficit.

It's not clear that this procedure ever made sense. In any case, in modern times the debt limit empowers cowardly posturing: Politicians can claim to be for fiscal responsibility, refusing to vote for a higher debt limit, without specifying how the budget should be balanced.

And no, "we should eliminate wasteful spending" isn't an honest answer. The federal government is basically a giant insurance company with an army: Spending is dominated by Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the military, and voters wanttomaintainall of these programs. There's surely waste in the government, as there is in any large organization, but even if we could somehow make that waste disappear, it wouldn't do much to reduce the deficit.

Someone seriously worried about the deficit could call for higher taxes. After all, the U.S. tax burden is low compared with other wealthy countries. But Republicans aren't going to go there.

Where will they go? There's lots of evidence that Republicans will, if they can, try to use the debt limit to extort major cuts in Social Security and Medicare. They probably couldn't pass such cuts — which would be deeply unpopular — through the normal legislative process, and they certainly wouldn't have enough votes to override a Biden veto. But the idea would be to force Democrats into complicity, so that the public doesn't realize who's responsible for the pain.

And that's a best-case scenario. As I said, the G.O.P. is far more radical now than it was more than a decade ago, and it might well be less interested in achieving policy goals than in blowing up the world economy on a Democratic president's watch.

Why would refusing to raise the debt limit blow up the economy? In the modern world, U.S. debt plays a crucial role: It is the ultimate safe asset, easily converted into cash, and there are no good alternatives. If investors lose confidence that the U.S. government will honor its obligations, the resulting financial storm will make the recent chaos in Britain look like a passing shower.

So what should be done to avert this threat? If Republicans do gain control of one or both houses in November, Democrats should use the lame-duck session to enact a very large rise in the debt limit, enough to put the issue on ice for years. Republicans and pundits who don't understand the stakes would furiously attack this move, but it would be far better than enabling extortion — and would probably be forgotten by the time of the 2024 election.

If for some reason Democrats don't take this obvious step, the Biden administration should be prepared to turn to legal strategies for bypassing the debt limit. There appear to be several loopholes the administration could exploit — minting trillion-dollar platinum coins is the most famous, but there are others, like issuing bonds with no maturity date and hence no face value.

The Obama administration was unwilling to go any of these routes, largely, I think, because it believed that they would look gimmicky and undignified, and it preferred to seek compromise. But surely Democrats don't need to worry about dignity when the other party is ruled by Donald Trump. And in any case, they're now confronting opponents who aren't just radical but also anti-democracy; no real compromise is possible.

Of course, none of this will be relevant if Democrats hold Congress. But they should prepare for the worst.

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

I would rather see this solved through congressional negotiation , but given the extremism of Republicans that may not be possible. Krugman makes good points. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
I would rather see this solved through congressional negotiation

Given what the debt limit actually is, it should be automated and removed from being an option for Congress to vote on.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 years ago

Hell yeah Ozzy, why have a debt limit at all....it's such a joke

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    3 years ago
Hell yeah Ozzy, why have a debt limit at all....it's such a joke

Okay the debt limit he is talking about is the debt ceiling where the government has to pay the bill on the debt they have already voted on spending.

In simplest possible terms:

It is like taking the time to fill out an application, get a credit card, use the credit card, then decide not to make the payments for that credit card.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 years ago
Given what the debt limit actually is, it should be automated and removed from being an option for Congress to vote on.

That's a mind-numbingly terrible idea.

Check and balances exist for a reason.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 years ago
Given what the debt limit actually is, it should be automated and removed from being an option for Congress to vote on.

Exactly, the current ceiling of $31.4 trillion is outrageously low.  Of course where you stand depends on where you sit:

"Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by to That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the nextbetween now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators Conrad and Feingold, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsenserules that used to apply. Previously,rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending. As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more thanin debt for each of the nextThat is why I will once again cosponsor theamendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.

Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it tookto run up onlyof foreign-held debt. This administration did more than that in justNow, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember that the more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.

SEN Obama, Senate floor speech, Mar 2006

SEN Obama was worried about an $8.6T debt and $220B in annual interest payment, today it's $30.9T and $580B.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.3    3 years ago
Check and balances exist for a reason.

Says someone who apparently has no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.5    3 years ago
Says someone who apparently has no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

*eyeroll*

Since the larger concept is clearly causing you a bit of difficulty, let's use your credit card analogy from 1.1.2.

Yes, we've already run up the credit card.  Yes, we'll need to pay it.  But at some point, we definitely need to have some conversations about how we intend to stop spending so much money and giving so much money away, in the same way we would not want the limit on the credit card to increase automatically whenever we maxed it out.

Without congressional review, there is no check or balance on future fiscal irresponsibility.  This is especially significant in light of Biden's repeated use of presidential decrees in fiscally and otherwise generally irresponsible manners, as well as rampaging spending by the Democrat controlled Congress.

Congressional review provides at least some minor level of accountability.   

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.5    3 years ago

Says someone who apparently has no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

Illuminate Ozzie, what is the debt ceiling and what is your issue with it.
 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1.8  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    3 years ago
It is like taking the time to fill out an application, get a credit card, use the credit card, then decide not to make the payments for that credit card.

Actually it's more like having a credit card, maxing it out and then wanting the limit raised so that  you can continue to use it.  All while only paying the interest monthly.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.8    3 years ago
Actually it's more like having a credit card, maxing it out and then wanting the limit raised so that  you can continue to use it.

Wrong.  Back to 5th grade for you.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1.10  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.9    3 years ago

Such a juvenile response, maybe you should go back. 

As the US already has that credit card and is paying the interest on it (as we almost never seem to pay down the debt, the last president to actually reduce the debt was Clinton),  and Washington wants to raise the debt limit due to expenditures that were approved previously but the income is not sufficient to meet what was approved so they need to borrow more.

How is this not like a person having a credit card, maxing it out (reaching it's limit) and then wanting the limit raised so that the card can continue to be used, all while only paying the interest.  Please explain your oh so education position on this. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.10    3 years ago
Such a juvenile response,  

But accurate and appropriate.

 
 
 
George
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1.1.12  George  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.11    3 years ago

One can’t help but notice that you failed in answering the question.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1.13  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.11    3 years ago

so you won't explain.  That can only mean you have nothing as usual.  So the only response I can give is fuck off

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3  Jack_TX    3 years ago

I'm not sure when I last saw such a pile of horseshit.

It's amazing how they fit so much wrong into that number of words.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

If Biden didn't illegally give away 600 billion odd dollars, there'd be less of a problem. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5  Snuffy    3 years ago
If Republicans do gain control of one or both houses in November, Democrats should use the lame-duck session to enact a very large rise in the debt limit, enough to put the issue on ice for years.

hmmmm,  kind of an interesting idea.  Wonder what the long-term impact could be for the Democrats if they do this in December?

I'll admit, I find it kind of frustrating that this issue haunts us still.  Congress controls the purse strings and determines the budget and if they cannot make a balanced budget they then have to vote on how much more to raise the debt limit.  Seems to me the two issues should really go hand in hand.  This separation, to me, looks like they set the budget and hope the income matches what they are spending.  

 
 
 
George
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7  George    3 years ago

Yes, Let's listen to Paul Krugman, he makes between 300 and 500 thousand a year from teaching and lying for the Times, and only has a net worth of only 5 million? looking at the guy, most of his income must go to hookers. Maybe we should take advice from someone who is actually successful? 

 
 

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